Gergo Borlai - 19/16 Jam (DRUMEO)
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"Keep It Greasy", a tune originally by Frank Zappa, contained a guitar part that stuck with Gergo Borlai which caused him to use it as part of his drum clinics. This whole jam is in 19/16 time, but it's easier to break down than you may think!
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He plays with the soul.
This is the best FZ odd-time influenced thing I’ve ever heard. It’s one thing to be in awe of Zappa but completely another to improve on it.
Sometimes with grooves like this it's easier for me to get just by feel rather than analyzing it too much ya know
RIght..
Overthinking can be a big problem
@@avakinlifeuser6888 I go both ways, really. I wouldn't stress one over the other for every groove and situation.
That's the curse of being a drummer u always try to figure out whats going on
I guess being able to play that groove by feeling means you're on a certain level. But knowing what you're doing brings you to the next.
And I thought I knew time signature well...
Mind blowingly good - just discovered GB and am... lost for words
Check out Antonio Sanchez
Check out the stuff he has done with Gary Willis and Scott Kinsey...
I saw him with the Frank Gambale All Band and it was unbelievable.
Wow, what a beautiful sounding drum-set...the cymbals seem to compliment the sound too. Really cool.
the snare has a nasty ring to it… Listen carefully at 1:00 into the video...
it's gone way beyond my comprehend. He is a beast in drumming no question. Just love his drumming world.
The kit sounds lovely
Turned me onto Formula 602's and I've not looked back. Fabulous!
That Great Gretsch Sound!
The snare overtones are bothering me a bit
Thank you drumeo for consistently uploading awesome clips like this
Huh. That's alright I guess, but it's sounding a bit dated now. I just did a 20/16 jam. Next year I will do a 20/17 jam.
20/17 makes no sense. No such thing as a 17th note
20/16 is 5/4.
You do know he's making a joke about a date, right?
i honestly feel stupid
+Jack Penders I'm a drummer so I've come to terms with my limited understanding. LOL.
WOW that is insane. I love how it sounds, especially the cymbals
Those toms make me want to just cry, I have never heard such beautiful sounding toms. This guy has his stuff together!
Az a megtiszteltetés ért, hogy vizelhettem egy helyiségben ezzel a zsenivel kb 2000 körül, egy Kaltenecker trió koncerten a Dózsában! 🤯
Ki vagyok ütve, kösz a napi kacajért :D
Remélem kezet ráztatok utána 😉
LOL :DDD
That was just plain old fun to watch! Loved it! Never heard of Gergo before. Gonna check him out some more.
Seriously Drumeo, no one is mixing as well as y’all are. Great job!
Absolutely awesome playing from one of today's really great, innovative players!
Noble effort and I am a HUGE Gergo fan. For those of you who haven't heard Vinnie play on the original - seek it out. It will change your life. IN fact the entire Joe's Garage 1 & 2 upped the ante on modern drumming. I am excited to see players like Gergo emerging.
Right it is easy then grooves like hell in 19/16
It's not easy, it's greasy...
Beautifully played mate! Wow!
Amazing piece of work
Gergo is awesome! Very enjoyable to watch!
this drummer is awesome.
Wow!!! When I read the title I thought great another drummer showing off in odd meters, but I fell in love with this. I love the feel and character he brings out in 19\16. incredible
+einarabelc5 I will. Fabulous groove! Thanks for the heads up
+einarabelc5 Thanks for the recommendation. I love his playing. No matter how crazy it gets he's still right in the pocket. Phenomenal
UNREAL job, my friend. That was ridiculous
I am glad I have discovered Gergo Borlai.
I love that “keep it greasy” groove🙌🏽
One of the few that has it all. First time I saw and heard him play.. SOLD
@7:00 that trippy bleeting is awesome
Hey I've played 19/16 before. It was on accident... and it threw everyone off... but this makes me feel a little bit better about it. I also want to give up playing drums though.
Don't give up friend! If you could accidentally come up with 19/16, who knows what else you could come up with!!!
Thank you for explaining that. This to me sounds like the roots of some prog and also drum shed style.
I love Keep it Greasy! One of my favorite Zappa songs
Wowow amazing drumming this song nice i love his drumming style
Those Paiste cymbals.... I'd do anything to get those!
It's a shame he went to Zildjian
He melted my face
Such a beautiful, musical piece
this dude has a dennis chambers groove feel
....what means he is FAST
And 4years later...
th-cam.com/video/BBXBokooeuc/w-d-xo.html
10:15
Dennis asked for Drum Lessons ;-)
Dennis called him over to shake his hand after his own showcase at the Zildjian gig
A true Maestro, amazing groove.
Great drums,tuning,heads miking and production. STELLAR
Gergo is a monster. Big fan of his phrasings and explosive outbursts. Topping it with a dose of "Keep it greasy" just made me fall irrevocably in love with the guy!
Everybody who doubts his mastery of the kit, should look up "Gergo Borlai Meinl Promotional Drum Solo 1".
My new favourite drummer, and I've heard them all!
Agreed. Btw,
Like your user name. Jez I am. Nice
Absolutely stunning!
Thanks for all the drumeo videos Jared (and team)! Question : Who mix the drum recordings on this and other videos? BIG THANKS!
This is so beautiful!
Love the long clear ring of his snare *chef's kiss*
Absolutely Fantastic
Love his drum sound.
Superb drumming!
Not technically the same, but it's easier to think of it as fast 5/4 with the last 16th note missing.
1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a, 5 e & 1...
I thought the same thing too.
Good catch!!
Radical drumming! Great!
Incredible !!!
FZs Joes Garage, if you have ears.. you must listen... Gergo's demo EPIC.!!
Amazing performance!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great idea!
Those cymbals! That's the reason I switched to Paiste 2002 & have never gone back. Nothing in the world like them to my ears.
This guy is awesome. I hope i can be taught by him someday.
Caraca...
Marco Minnemann played this exact beat in his extreme drumming video over 10 years ago. Still a great drummer and cool tune but it would be nice to see 19/16 played in some other fashion (i.e not slapping a few 16th notes on the end of a 4/4 beat).
Dre Cor looking forward to your video demo of that! 😜
... to me it sounds a bit like a skipping vinyl. Of course the backing track does not help with that. Still impressive thou! And I am sure it is a lot of fun to play if you can handle it. I´d also love to see a drummer who has a more relaxed and maybe 'elegant' approach to odd time signatures.
Billy Cobham did it in 1973, this guy is a great player though
Exactly
Look up the MadRasana Unplugged Kanjira Quartet and the TM Krishna at Afghan Church videos. The quartet does something similar to what you're talking about, but it's 15.5 beats split up into a half-time 5 beat rhythm (so ten beats total), then a four beat single time rhythm, then a double time 3 beat rhythm (so 1.5 beats). The total turns into effectively a 15.5/16 or, more accurately, a 31/32 time signature. A 19/16 signature would likely be played as 6 in half time plus 3 in single time plus 8 in double time (12+3+4), or alternatively 10/6/3, or something even weirder, potentially - 14/5. That would give you rupak in half time (7 beat rhythm x 2), then jhaptaal in single time (5 beats). There are a million different ways to make it work. The Afghan Church video is even more complicated, and you can watch the video to understand it properly.
And to make your brain explode even more, if you want, you can play something called a tihai, which is usually a section repeated three times to throw off the listener but one that actually fits within the confines of the underlying rhythm. And you can even layer tihais inside OTHER tihais. So coming back to the 19-beat rhythm: Let's say we want to end a piece with a 4 bar conclusion. That gives us 78 beats to work with. This is divisible by three. So now we have sections of 26 in which we can make a tihai. But to make things even crazier, we can layer a tihai INSIDE this 24 beat section itself and make it a tripalli (which is a single rhythmic line repeated three times at single speed, 1.5 times speed, and double speed). The way that works is you do an 10 beat rhythm with two silent beats at the end, which is 12 beats. When played back at 1.5 speed, it is 8 beats, and double speed is 6 beats (5 beats rhythm + 1 beat silence). 12+8+6 is 26. HOWEVER. You need the last beat of the very last double-time rhythm to land on the FIRST beat of the FIFTH (nonexistent) bar. Since there is one beat of silence at the end, you need to add two more full beats to the rhythm, which are put in between each of the sections of the tihai.
So your structure now looks like this: [10+2\\6 2/3+4/3\\5+1] + 1 + [10+2\\6 2/3+4/3\\5+1] + 1 + [10+2\\6 2/3+4/3\\4] | 1. And the very LAST beat of the last rhythm is the FIRST beat of the next bar, which doesn't exist. It's very trippy, and I'm not sure I did the best job explaining it. And I've been playing tabla for 25 years. Lol.
EDIT: 76, not 78. Dammit lol. But if the beat was 19.5/16 (or 39/32), it would work. My point is, nested rhythms are a big deal in Indian percussion.
Incredible feel to it. Not easy to make stuff like this sound 100% organic.
Wooooooaaaaaaah... that's a real good drummer. Oh yeah ! Bravo.
LOVE IT!
So sick & musical. I also just noticed Gergo plays hats AND double bass with LF on both pedals Ala Dennis Chambers at 6:52 ish. For the 16th note run. It also boggles my mind that IIRC, Gergo played the bass guitar for this track. For all I know, did all tracks. Incredible composition / build.
WOW!! Thank you!!
This time signature by Zappa in 19/16 "Keep it Greasy" (solo section) used to make my head hurt. But I find it easier to count in in 5/8 in a slower tempo rather than high Octane 16th notes and its easier to flow with it and solo around the groove.
Hum. He’s right. Jamming along with this. On this particular groove it’s incredibly easy to catch the 19/16 (obviously it helps to be a musician or someone who can catch grooves better than normal people)
But I’ve heard other variations of 19 that sound and feel insanely incomplete and weird. But the way this groove is played it really doesn’t feel much different than grooving to 9/8. Cause the syncopation almost makes it feel more natural. Can’t explain it or articulate it better. But I love it. This is a fun groove to jam on. I’ll have to use restraint to not rip it off (lol jk) but I really dig it. Makes me wanna explore other time signatures that are only a 16th note off from a 5/4 or 7/8 Groove and try to apply a similar principal with syncopation to make it sound groovy
He's totally awesome!
Amazing skill 👍
this is madness!
What a smart and clever played fireworks!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
....my eyes and ears cried.... )': Such ..... beauty
One of my favorite drumeo videos ever. This guy is fucking amazing!!!
Now this guy is sick.
Wooow!!! It's crazy awesome! ..... wow!
that back track is sick
awesome, so quick!
Super sick!
awesome thing about this is I wouldn't imagine it to be "19/16", however the groove is awesome and memoriable.
For those interested to see how otherworldly Gergo's drumming is, go check his insane rendition of The Black Page, from Zappa.
Another fine song goes from 21/16 to 19/16 with a little 6/4 thrown in for fun. Keep it Greasy - Zappa. Sort of a love song.
Perfect!!!
also check song with 19/16, almost all song from dream theater-metropolis part 2, especially home
This is insane, also I'm mesmerized by how shiny the cymbals are xD
Incredible
Love love love love
Grande batera 💪🏽🥁
what a beast!!!
Awesome. This guys is fantastic. Unlike the 54 people who gave this a thumbs down. Lol
How can this guy process all this information. What a brain
He smashed that!!! Wow !!!
Oh yeah. Masterful playing too
Listen to the tune "Celestial Terrestrial Commuters" from Mahavishnu's Birds of Fire album. I think it's (another) great example of this sweet signature..
awesome!!!
Wow!💪🏼
He’s not from this world...This is insane!!!! Wat a gifted and talented drummer!
Dream Theater - Pale Blue Dot
Dream Theater - Home (outro)
"The Hungarian nightmare" :-) We know why this nickname...
Perfect fluidity, energy, pocket and soul.
awesome
To an extent, if you guys have any trouble understanding odd time signatures, internalize the groove as anything starting with a 4/4 groove with a touch of a glitch. Like hearing a repeated sequence of a song on a broken record. That always gets my mind going.
Although that said , I love this guy's groove and drumming. My former comment is more about the conventional view many take when approaching odd meters and their philosophy behind their parts. I think the melody is king when dealing with odd meters and not how one can play straight time over the odd meter part with a tagged resolve at the end of the groove. A great drummer to study for odd meter drum part is Virgil donati who I believe had taken great influence from Coliauta but has gone a step further in tailoring his parts to the melody of the piece over a numerical subdivision method that early Coliauta kind of exhibited to survive those Zappa records. See for example Coliauta playing on stings seven days some years later, a far more sophisticated tracking of his drum parts compared to his Zappa beats despite Zappa's times being far more difficult than the sting ones of later Coliauta career. On ten summoners tales Coliauta really illustrates his rhythmic prowess over seemingly simple odd meter tunes
yeah he's right it's not that difficult...............................
holy shit this guy is legit!