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Finishes aside, I love that Artisan Cutlery is doing this. I really enjoy titanium handles and have been wanting more companies to pair them with budget or mid-grade steels for a semi-budget price. This is great to see.
What you and a lot of other presenters here on the tube are calling satin finish is NOT a satin finish. It is properly known as a brush or ground finish. A true satin finish is not the Corse lines shown here. It is a very soft smooth finish running the length, (Parallel) to length of the blade. But that is not the reason it is called satin. Not all hand rubbed length finishes are a true satin finish. A satin finish is called such due to the finishes texture. A true satin finish feels like satin to the touch . As one Equestrian customer stated, it feels like satin, or like a Horses Snout. Smooth, and soft to the touch. No ground finish has such a texture. I keep seeing presenters miss labeling many knife features. Calling Clip point blades Drop points. Spear point blades Drop Points Spay blades reverse Tanto's. (calling a Tanto-tonto's). It has become common to not know the history of blades, designs and purposes. There are may reference diagrams of the shapes and nomenclatures as well as the uses. It has been published in both Europe an the U.S. for at leas a century and a half. Knife Digest is a fine reverence as is the Book of Knives and their Values by B.R.. Huges. The blatant ignorance is getting ridiculous overwhelming. For what ever reason, the full mirror finish has pretty much been lost. Only the very most expensive knives have it and very few know what a full mirror is for. We did it to seal the surface f the blade to help stop rust from getting a foot hold. Yes, it is attractive and the mark of a fine craftsman, but it was not for show. It was a very important feature especially before we had the fine stain resistant steel we have today. I have won awards for my finish on blades along with fit an d finish. But is hot why we do it. It has practical applications that were necessary. the Craft is almost gone today with the exception of a few dedicated Craftsmen. Now people gush over the bead blast or stone washed finish which is the cheapest, easies finish there is on a blade. Used in industry to remove burr's and hide blemishes. Nothing special or skillful in the process whatsoever. Somehow the Knife Companies have coned people into believing it is somehow special and charging for it when in truth is is a low budget cost cutting process requiring no skill workforce. It has been used in industry for years as a cost cutting measure. KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ Years in he Craft and in association with the Original R.W. (Bob Loveless-Jim Merritt Knife Shop (Bob Loveless was the originator of the true Drop point so I kinda guess we know what is and is not a Drop point!
Did you see they made a new steel ? They're calling it a premium steel its AR-SFII. They put it on the large warncliffe pyrite with steel scales , surprised they didn't send you one. Check it out in there website because I'm curious
@just9911 where are you seeing that? They gave me all the info on this steel and asked specifically that I share it with everyone. They were very specific about it NOT being powder steel and that it was 100% spray form.
Artisan varies it's Sand polishing depending on the price of the knife. On a more premium more expensive knife they sand polish to almost a mirrored polish. On an inexpensive or more budget knife they don't spend the time or effort polishing the blade to the extent they would on a more expensive knife. Basically I'm saying it's not a lack of consistency, it's done on purpose.
You're right about a high polish resisting corrosion. I have some steel tools I made in machine shop class in the 1980s that were surface ground to a well polished finish that still haven't rusted.
I was lucky to get a Satyr and it will always stay in the collection. I have to agree with you hear, but I will probably get this anyways because I can’t see myself springing for the premium version. Overall, of the overseas companies, I think of the they’ve come the furthest in a very short time.
I expect a much lower quality sand polish on a sub $100 knife vs a $200+ knife. It would be great if you got the same level regardless of price, but that’s obviously not the case. I don’t see these more affordable budget models advertising “sand polish” on the artisan site, I could be wrong though.
Theres likely a language barrier issue here. They are saying Sand polish on every single listing that doesn't have a coating and isnt stonewashed, meaning they are probably meaning Satin polish. And theres different levels of satin polish. Which would explain the difference in quality between the 90 dollar satin and the 200 dollar satin. Because the shinier one isnt a mirror polish, its a very very high satin polish.
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Any advice on a case for my knives and watches? I don't have a huge collection, but I'd like more room for my growing number of toys. Maybe something slightly more budget?
I use the Apache weatherproof cases for my knife collection (they’re Harbor Freight’s version of Pelican cases, so they’re basically the same except they’re a fraction of the price)
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Artisan is a junky brand. I have 5 of the budget proponents and they are all over the place. One has early lockup, like 15% but a super weak detent, two have extremely late lockup, like 75 percent, one has some kind of bearing or detent ball rattle that I can't diagnose, and one is like 40% lockup and an actual crisp detent. As far as their button locks go, they all have weak detents and lock rock. My civivi button locks never had any of that. Sucks because they have some great designs.
I understand there should be more clarity in the description they use… But as you can tell by most of your comments, most people appreciate the “semi budget item” you don’t even know the price of the item you’re ranting about. You review knives that what 90% are sent to you? It’s a bit harsh critiquing. I was actually just looking at this knife and I don’t feel you’ve given it a fair review. Again apart from the wording they used, this could be my first affordable/Semi-premium Ti handled knife from a phenomenal brand.
A *sand polish" sounds painful! No wonder it s inconsistent, the satisfaction factor will depend onbthe mood your in I guess. But others will tell you a finish is a finish🎉😂
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Finishes aside, I love that Artisan Cutlery is doing this. I really enjoy titanium handles and have been wanting more companies to pair them with budget or mid-grade steels for a semi-budget price. This is great to see.
What you and a lot of other presenters here on the tube are calling satin finish is NOT a satin finish. It is properly known as a brush or ground finish. A true satin finish is not the Corse lines shown here. It is a very soft smooth finish running the length, (Parallel) to length of the blade. But that is not the reason it is called satin. Not all hand rubbed length finishes are a true satin finish. A satin finish is called such due to the finishes texture. A true satin finish feels like satin to the touch . As one Equestrian customer stated, it feels like satin, or like a Horses Snout. Smooth, and soft to the touch. No ground finish has such a texture.
I keep seeing presenters miss labeling many knife features. Calling Clip point blades Drop points. Spear point blades Drop Points Spay blades reverse Tanto's. (calling a Tanto-tonto's). It has become common to not know the history of blades, designs and purposes. There are may reference diagrams of the shapes and nomenclatures as well as the uses. It has been published in both Europe an the U.S. for at leas a century and a half. Knife Digest is a fine reverence as is the Book of Knives and their Values by B.R.. Huges. The blatant ignorance is getting ridiculous overwhelming.
For what ever reason, the full mirror finish has pretty much been lost. Only the very most expensive knives have it and very few know what a full mirror is for. We did it to seal the surface f the blade to help stop rust from getting a foot hold. Yes, it is attractive and the mark of a fine craftsman, but it was not for show. It was a very important feature especially before we had the fine stain resistant steel we have today.
I have won awards for my finish on blades along with fit an d finish. But is hot why we do it. It has practical applications that were necessary. the Craft is almost gone today with the exception of a few dedicated Craftsmen. Now people gush over the bead blast or stone washed finish which is the cheapest, easies finish there is on a blade. Used in industry to remove burr's and hide blemishes. Nothing special or skillful in the process whatsoever. Somehow the Knife Companies have coned people into believing it is somehow special and charging for it when in truth is is a low budget cost cutting process requiring no skill workforce. It has been used in industry for years as a cost cutting measure.
KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ Years in he Craft and in association with the Original R.W. (Bob Loveless-Jim Merritt Knife Shop (Bob Loveless was the originator of the true Drop point so I kinda guess we know what is and is not a Drop point!
Did you see they made a new steel ? They're calling it a premium steel its AR-SFII. They put it on the large warncliffe pyrite with steel scales , surprised they didn't send you one. Check it out in there website because I'm curious
Yep. Incoming upload 👍
Looks interesting, but it kinda bothers me that they are marketing a spray form steel as on the level of actual powder metallurgy steel.
@just9911 where are you seeing that? They gave me all the info on this steel and asked specifically that I share it with everyone. They were very specific about it NOT being powder steel and that it was 100% spray form.
Is it new steel or did they just change the name to specify it’s SF spray form
@@Mridgwellit's new. I'll share the data in the upload
Artisan varies it's Sand polishing depending on the price of the knife. On a more premium more expensive knife they sand polish to almost a mirrored polish. On an inexpensive or more budget knife they don't spend the time or effort polishing the blade to the extent they would on a more expensive knife. Basically I'm saying it's not a lack of consistency, it's done on purpose.
You're right about a high polish resisting corrosion. I have some steel tools I made in machine shop class in the 1980s that were surface ground to a well polished finish that still haven't rusted.
4:45 we call those affordable
Excellent description hahaha
One of the best values out right now
Facts
The revel is a great knife
Cool that they are making it more affordable for people who want one
Cool to have different options. Me personally id prefer better blade steel with cheaper handles like fhe S90v Pyrite Light. But to each fheir own
I was lucky to get a Satyr and it will always stay in the collection. I have to agree with you hear, but I will probably get this anyways because I can’t see myself springing for the premium version. Overall, of the overseas companies, I think of the they’ve come the furthest in a very short time.
I want a s90v blade and steel handle for this 2 model
I expect a much lower quality sand polish on a sub $100 knife vs a $200+ knife. It would be great if you got the same level regardless of price, but that’s obviously not the case. I don’t see these more affordable budget models advertising “sand polish” on the artisan site, I could be wrong though.
I love when he goes on rants😂😂
Calling it now Baby Banter 2 will be knife of the year 2025
I dont have a problem with finish, i kinda prefer a crappy satin bc i use my knives.
Theres likely a language barrier issue here. They are saying Sand polish on every single listing that doesn't have a coating and isnt stonewashed, meaning they are probably meaning Satin polish. And theres different levels of satin polish. Which would explain the difference in quality between the 90 dollar satin and the 200 dollar satin. Because the shinier one isnt a mirror polish, its a very very high satin polish.
Nope. I have less and more expensive variations / every steel they offer in the same finish and it still varies. It's a quality control issue 100%
@metal_complex what budget knives do you have from them that have that super shiny satin polish like that?
Just as a visual appearance thing it would sell me on aarpm9 if it had that mirror sandwash vs the satin sandwash.
Switch the textured handle scales onto the S90V Satyr😅
The revel comes in s90 v and magancut
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Thanks
So is this just the titanium prado pretty much?
Isn't this competing with the Pyrite Bowie?
Any advice on a case for my knives and watches? I don't have a huge collection, but I'd like more room for my growing number of toys. Maybe something slightly more budget?
I use the Apache weatherproof cases for my knife collection (they’re Harbor Freight’s version of Pelican cases, so they’re basically the same except they’re a fraction of the price)
Apache is the only option
I'm not first! Love your stuff MC we all got sick as well. Merry Christmas huh?!😂 Thanks for all the GAWs and great content, I always try to send anyone new to blades to your channel. BGood
8.4 on the slap
I have 2 artisan knives and both of them were kinda junky the lock bar is all the way over on both knives😮
Artisan is a junky brand. I have 5 of the budget proponents and they are all over the place. One has early lockup, like 15% but a super weak detent, two have extremely late lockup, like 75 percent, one has some kind of bearing or detent ball rattle that I can't diagnose, and one is like 40% lockup and an actual crisp detent. As far as their button locks go, they all have weak detents and lock rock. My civivi button locks never had any of that. Sucks because they have some great designs.
@shepherd2148 yeah bro i would love to have the Arion in S35VN and red Micarta 😊
I understand there should be more clarity in the description they use… But as you can tell by most of your comments, most people appreciate the “semi budget item” you don’t even know the price of the item you’re ranting about. You review knives that what 90% are sent to you? It’s a bit harsh critiquing. I was actually just looking at this knife and I don’t feel you’ve given it a fair review. Again apart from the wording they used, this could be my first affordable/Semi-premium Ti handled knife from a phenomenal brand.
This is the first impressions video. Right out the box. Not a review.
It's like Tenacious with titanium and 8cr13...
Damn everyone be getting sick.
Budget-ish
A *sand polish" sounds painful! No wonder it s inconsistent, the satisfaction factor will depend onbthe mood your in I guess. But others will tell you a finish is a finish🎉😂
Inexpensive knives maybe