I think at one point Florio predicted the the Vikings would win the Super Bowl - I recall how Florio's leverage dropped with NBC (and the public). I'm still surprised he wasn't ultimately traded to Hulu.
Zimmer would still be the coach and we would have been a constant force. Spielman ruined that with signing Kirk. The deal was so bad it dismantled key pieces within a year. It prevented any meaningful FA acquisitions. KOC is looking like the Kirk of coaches. Can't win a big game.
@@jacktheman1989 Well he is carrying on the storied Viking tradition. Why would any seasoned fan think he's any different? The earth's magnetic poles would flip if the Vikings ever got to, let alone win, the SB (in my lifetime)!
Then why they punt twice in 4th qtr down by 3 possessions vs Rams in playoffs? Vikings philosophy was to avoid embarrassment rather than fight to win. Patriots in Brady era NEVER had that philosophy.
Why no one discusses the reverse fumble call ? Coach Billichick, the Peyton brothers said the referee was wrongly reversed the call! It could change the game trajectory.
Bill said it would be ruled incomplete, so I don’t blame the refs for ruling the way they did, but that’s a BS rule that a guy with his head down can flick the ball in the direction he did and have it be ruled incomplete. The worst part was they didn’t even review it- New York just overruled the call.
I'm a viking fan and I agree it was a throw. It sucks and kind of goes against the spirit of the game being able to get off scot free like that, but it's just a vet move by a good qb.
Instantly? Theres a reason a lot of offensive lines struggle and its because there’s not an abundance of great offensive linemen out there to be signed.
This might be one of the dumbest attempts to stir up something to talk about ive ever seen. Vikings ownership has shown nothing but the willingness to spend really good money all over the organization and they have a coach who clearly knows how to get the most out of quarterbacks. I don’t see O’Connell going anywhere anytime soon.
Is it just me or does American sports media do this a lot? ESPN have all these different takes where two talking heads HAVE to have opposing views on a subject to stir up some drama and views. I find it really weird as a non-American. It's like that show with Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe where Skip would have the most dumbass takes just so he could be adversarial with Shannon. I absolutely love football (the American version), it's my favorite sport, but I hate that a lot of the coverage are manufactured disagreements.
What kind of nonsense is this? The expectation was this was going to be a 6 win club in rebuild, and they got 14 wins and into the playoffs. It would be back to square one if we switch head coaches. When the next season is KoC's real test. This is sounding more like clickbait. You should be better then that.
@skoolynugenator1802 According to Vegas, Patrick Mahomes was the MVP favorite until mid-season. Your team is old, and ya'll have three draft picks. That's not a rebuild. That's called all in.🤣🤣😂😂
This is CRAZY. I’m a die hard lions fan. I LOVE Dan Campbell, he’s my guy - but KOC is something else… he’s fantastic. At times I think he is probably the best coach in the division. How could you think otherwise?
Frankly, there were half a dozen plays with WR's screeching downfield in the Wildcard game. Blame it on Sam, blame it on the O-line, but do not blame the quality of the plays.
Chris is right and if you look at the playoff teams still in, they all have good run games. Line play and ability to run is essential because that opens everything else up.
Nobody's talking about Denver changing coaches. Darnold overachieved and put this team ahead of schedule. The Jets would probably panic and fire everyone, but KOC is coming back, and will be there for the duration of the JJ McCarthy experiment. As a Lions fan, however, I hope KOC continues to neglect the run game.
Trade KOC he can't adjust in big games. His offense is so one-dimensional it's the same story. To me, 0 TDS against the Jags was the biggest red flag, and the guy that made them win gets cut 3 weeks later. Vikings need 4 things. Have 1 CB that QBs hesitate to throw to that side of the field. Have a coach who can adjust, has heart and grit, and doesn't give up. Get a Big Boys on that O-line. Lastly, A QB that has that killer mindset of I can always win no matter the situation and that can be audible on his own.
I agree with some line of scrimmage changes on both sides of the ball, but the rest is total rubbish. The NFC north is the best conference in football. The Vikings put together win streaks of 5 and 9 respectively, beating four teams that were in the playoffs last year. No on expected them to have a winning record, let alone get to the playoffs. One of the biggest reasons they were able to do this was with excellent coaching.
@@odinsecho167 😂😂Caught me red-handed✋but cut off one head and two more shall take its place. Coach Campbell has more heart and grit than Z "Great" KO.C will ever have. Kevin is nothing more than a zan OC, and his playcalling is very inferior compared to Herr Johnson's. Dominate Detriot.
Florio is out of his mind if he thinks Minnesota isn't 100% behind the coach and GM. NOBODY expected the Vikings to be anywhere near as good as they were this year, regardless of the playoff loss. As a fan, I was disappointed with how the season ended, but I was encouraged that they found a good QB who is better than our last one. This is the best division in football, and the Vikings are here to stay. If any teams took a step back, it was the Packers and the Bears.
You can have the best HC calling the best plays but if the player/s fail to execute during game time you're not going to be successful. Grudens principles of successful football, "Recognize, Communicate and Execute ".
totally agree. It happens every week in the NFL. Coaching was NOT the issue in Minnesota this year, and hopefully the Wilf's will see that. I'm sure they will.
With Mike Zimmer getting 8 years. I doubt there is not a deal done, even if its a 2 year deal to keep this thing going. Most wins in the first 3 years, although not playoff wins (yet) means something.
This guy was handcuffed to Kirk his first 2 years and really made the best out of the team with him at QB and this year brought a team everyone thought would be bottom 5 to the playoffs with Sam Darnold. (a ton of credit to Flores too who brought out the most of a defense that was B or B+ talent) This coming year he can coach a young qb and finally have cap room to build an oline in front of him. If they still don't address oline and defense with 72m in cap space then you can start talking about O'Connell.
How can he say he’s a Vikings fan and even entertain this idea. KOC is an incredible coach. Even if they were deciding to trade him who would be better than KOC that they could get?
35 or 36 1 score games over the last 3 seasons (51 total games). If Flores leaves the defense likely regresses. Don't be surprised if this teams fortunes flip in close games and they have several sub .500 years with KOC. The media and optimistic fans act like he's Lombardi 2.0. He's literally accomplished nothing.
Florio is just mad he got hopeful(like LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US VIKINGS FANS) and got humbled. Dude,..... we were expected to win 6 wins and got 14.... but sure. O Line deteriorated, Darnold did too. If you think the Vikings are gonna drop KOC, you're out of your mind.
Chris could give two sh...ts what Florio is saying. Broken record season after season. Florio is the poster child for the classic disgruntled Vikings fan...who's had enough of loser ball.
All you little emotional fans are missing the entire point of this discussion. No one is saying Wilfs wouldn’t want KOC just because of a couple losses. It’s so funny how all of you are so quick to point out that Darnold lost himself millions of dollars because of those two games but yall get your panties in a bunch when someone points out that, no, KOC probably won’t get as much money as we all thought two weeks ago. Same with Sam. It doesn’t have to be logical per se this is just how things go. If your opinion is as plain as “give KOC whatever he wants” then this topic isn’t for you.
Rick Speilman couldn't seem to draft a corner that stuck around. Couldn't identify a QB, neglected to put an O-line around his QB. Meanwhile, in Detroit....
Uh, Xavier Rhodes was one of the best CB's in Vikings history! But I 100% agree with the QB issue. Even he admitted he might still be around if he could evaluate QB's.
Jones got over 1,500 yards this year. I wouldn't say that isn't a good run game. The talk about KOC leaving is nonsense. The Vikings will be in the Superbowl in the next 3 years. He got far this year with a troubled QB.
This will never happen the Vikings need a great coach in that division to compete with the Lions and Packers. Pay him 15 million to a coach is nothing in the grand scheme of the NFL right now. I am not so sure that when Kevin brought this up a few weeks ago that this didn't start the downfall of the Vikings. If I were a player I'd be like wtf is he bringing this up now for?
Ok, in defense of KOC, the guys had to turn chicken bleep into chicken salad. His first 2 years, we had Kirk Cousins, 3rd year Sam Darnold. Show me a coach that could do what KOC did with those QB's. We all saw tge Falcons with Kirk they want him gone after 1 season.
This is seriously the dumbest attempt yet at creating drama for an organization where there is no drama. The national media is continually trying to give the best Viking assets to NY … ala they should trade Jefferson last offseason and now they should trade KO … after they just won 14 games and have a first round rookie QB he hand picked to develop. Completely mindless.
He didn't have to. Darnold crawled under that bus on his own. You're a 27 year old quarterback with a history on a one year contract that's been on multiple teams. In your last two games, you play badly enough to lose the game, hence seeding and in the next game one and done. Darnold ran at high speed toward that bus.
Offense and defense both TERRIBLE in that loss to the daniel jones giants. Kirk is laughable. I dont believe kwesi is a good gm. O connell given bad rosters lol.
Hey yeah Jets should trade Aaron to the Vikings for OConnell so Rodgers can fufil the final phase of the Bret Favre adjacent career trajectory. Only he didn't start his career with the Falcons. Ohhh bet u didn't know favre was on the falcons
O'Connell is a choker like Denny take a knee Green. Remember the Vikings twice should have fired Denny and hired their Defensive Coordinator (Dungy & Tomlin). Funny they went on to win Superbowls. Real Talk 💯
I tried, I really tried, these two suck. And Florio on anything Vikings..... I know he says he is a fan, but he is ALWAYS wrong. All conjecture, all the time.
Yes, the last two game losses were mostly Darnold's fault. BUT KOC didn't make any adjustments to help his QB, so those two losses were on him, too.
No trick plays, reverses, quick passes.
I think at one point Florio predicted the the Vikings would win the Super Bowl - I recall how Florio's leverage dropped with NBC (and the public). I'm still surprised he wasn't ultimately traded to Hulu.
The Wilfs gave Mike Zimmer 8 years, KOC will be just fine.
and how did that work out for us 8 years of losing the playoffs
Zimmer would still be the coach and we would have been a constant force. Spielman ruined that with signing Kirk. The deal was so bad it dismantled key pieces within a year. It prevented any meaningful FA acquisitions. KOC is looking like the Kirk of coaches. Can't win a big game.
@@outlook2145 Yup, Spielman made Kirk the owner and that was a wrap for Zimmer.
@@hodaka175 He didnt lose to Daniel Jones.... Lmfao
@@outlook2145 you gotta have the QB play to win big games. Its not on coach.
14 wins with Sam Darnold dude..KOC has done a phenomenal job so far. We still have a 1st round QB to get to. Realx florio
KOC is a great coach! The future is Bright!
In the regular season, yes. Choke artist in big games
@@jacktheman1989 Well he is carrying on the storied Viking tradition. Why would any seasoned fan think he's any different? The earth's magnetic poles would flip if the Vikings ever got to, let alone win, the SB (in my lifetime)!
He's not. Lmfao
He might get fired next season
Then why they punt twice in 4th qtr down by 3 possessions vs Rams in playoffs? Vikings philosophy was to avoid embarrassment rather than fight to win. Patriots in Brady era NEVER had that philosophy.
Why no one discusses the reverse fumble call ? Coach Billichick, the Peyton brothers said the referee was wrongly reversed the call! It could change the game trajectory.
With the replay throw, he clearly clocked it in the dirt. I would prefer an argument for grounding but Nacua was in the vicinity.
That wouldn’t have made ANY difference in the game. Cope harder
@@jacobsims8307the ground at his feet is not equal to Nacua in the vicinity. Stop it.
Bill said it would be ruled incomplete, so I don’t blame the refs for ruling the way they did, but that’s a BS rule that a guy with his head down can flick the ball in the direction he did and have it be ruled incomplete. The worst part was they didn’t even review it- New York just overruled the call.
I'm a viking fan and I agree it was a throw. It sucks and kind of goes against the spirit of the game being able to get off scot free like that, but it's just a vet move by a good qb.
You could say that with a lot of the team also. Mainly the O line. You can let the center and both guards walk and instantly upgrade.
Instantly? Theres a reason a lot of offensive lines struggle and its because there’s not an abundance of great offensive linemen out there to be signed.
This might be one of the dumbest attempts to stir up something to talk about ive ever seen. Vikings ownership has shown nothing but the willingness to spend really good money all over the organization and they have a coach who clearly knows how to get the most out of quarterbacks. I don’t see O’Connell going anywhere anytime soon.
Typical Florio
We’ll never forget you O’Connor.
Is it just me or does American sports media do this a lot? ESPN have all these different takes where two talking heads HAVE to have opposing views on a subject to stir up some drama and views. I find it really weird as a non-American. It's like that show with Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe where Skip would have the most dumbass takes just so he could be adversarial with Shannon. I absolutely love football (the American version), it's my favorite sport, but I hate that a lot of the coverage are manufactured disagreements.
@@mikewilliams4443😂
@IncorrigibleBigotry As an American watching this crap, I totally agree with you
What kind of nonsense is this? The expectation was this was going to be a 6 win club in rebuild, and they got 14 wins and into the playoffs. It would be back to square one if we switch head coaches. When the next season is KoC's real test. This is sounding more like clickbait. You should be better then that.
YA'LL WERE NOT IN A REBUILD!!!!
@@mr.williamh1270according to Vegas we were.
@skoolynugenator1802 According to Vegas, Patrick Mahomes was the MVP favorite until mid-season. Your team is old, and ya'll have three draft picks. That's not a rebuild. That's called all in.🤣🤣😂😂
Relax it’s time for Mr. Brightside along with 72+ million.
@@mr.williamh1270 average age 28. Really old? Only 12 teams are younger out of 32. Do your homework. 🙄
Vikings coaches actually do cement their legacy in September - December when you consider their historical lack of Super Bowl wins
KOC must give up play calling duties, in big games the offense is flat and predictable, everything else is golden
This is CRAZY. I’m a die hard lions fan. I LOVE Dan Campbell, he’s my guy - but KOC is something else… he’s fantastic. At times I think he is probably the best coach in the division. How could you think otherwise?
Frankly, there were half a dozen plays with WR's screeching downfield in the Wildcard game. Blame it on Sam, blame it on the O-line, but do not blame the quality of the plays.
You can hear Florio’s tears…….
The defense was also a problem.
Exsplain?
Stop trying to stir the pot Florio, this is nonsense...
He’s either going to look dumb or be a genius.
Not really. He was closer to the hot seat than people know going into this season. But I think he’ll be ok.
Chris is right and if you look at the playoff teams still in, they all have good run games. Line play and ability to run is essential because that opens everything else up.
Wasn't KOC just as exposed as Sam Darnold?
Andy Reid coached a lot of years before winning multiple SB’s with the Chiefs. Give KOC a break.
They should give him a break. Just don't give him the BANK! Until he breaks the Viking Franchise Curse!
I'll take Flores as Headcoach
I doubt he'll ever get another HC position with his law suit against the league for supposed discrimination.
Kevin O'Connell ain't leaving the Vikings. J.J. McCarthy needs him.
lol last year Florio was adamant about the Vikings trading Jefferson so draft Nabers. Now this clown is trying to stir up more bs. 😂
He won 14 games with a back up, how did it lessen?? I'll take him for my team
Need an OLine to be able to run!!
This is so dumb the Wilfs are going to pay him just stop
Nobody's talking about Denver changing coaches. Darnold overachieved and put this team ahead of schedule. The Jets would probably panic and fire everyone, but KOC is coming back, and will be there for the duration of the JJ McCarthy experiment. As a Lions fan, however, I hope KOC continues to neglect the run game.
Couldn't disagree with this take more. KOC won 14 games with Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold!
KOC gets out coached in every high stakes game. Fire or trade him.
This is nonsense. KOC is going nowhere.
Trade KOC he can't adjust in big games. His offense is so one-dimensional it's the same story. To me, 0 TDS against the Jags was the biggest red flag, and the guy that made them win gets cut 3 weeks later. Vikings need 4 things. Have 1 CB that QBs hesitate to throw to that side of the field. Have a coach who can adjust, has heart and grit, and doesn't give up. Get a Big Boys on that O-line. Lastly, A QB that has that killer mindset of I can always win no matter the situation and that can be audible on his own.
I agree with some line of scrimmage changes on both sides of the ball, but the rest is total rubbish. The NFC north is the best conference in football. The Vikings put together win streaks of 5 and 9 respectively, beating four teams that were in the playoffs last year. No on expected them to have a winning record, let alone get to the playoffs. One of the biggest reasons they were able to do this was with excellent coaching.
@@yunobruno7777 "has heart and grit" the not so subtle Lions fan has been discovered 🤣
@@odinsecho167 😂😂Caught me red-handed✋but cut off one head and two more shall take its place. Coach Campbell has more heart and grit than Z "Great" KO.C will ever have.
Kevin is nothing more than a zan OC, and his playcalling is very inferior compared to Herr Johnson's. Dominate Detriot.
@@yunobruno7777 how you feeling about this after yesterday, us Vikings fans and Lions fans end the season 0-1 in the playoffs 🤣
@@odinsecho167 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, I GOT MY NFC CHAMPIONSHIP COMMIES GEAR, DID YOU?
The only way I'd entertain this idea is if we could gurantee that we sign Ben Johnson instead.
O'Connell needs to go and also the GM
Florio is out of his mind if he thinks Minnesota isn't 100% behind the coach and GM. NOBODY expected the Vikings to be anywhere near as good as they were this year, regardless of the playoff loss. As a fan, I was disappointed with how the season ended, but I was encouraged that they found a good QB who is better than our last one. This is the best division in football, and the Vikings are here to stay. If any teams took a step back, it was the Packers and the Bears.
Get rid of KOC he’s not right for the job choke in the playoffs
HC salary doesn't impact salary cap. Wilfs will pay koc
I agree 100% Mike
KOC needs to show he can make in game adjustments! Offense,player development , drafting rotation etc…
You can have the best HC calling the best plays but if the player/s fail to execute during game time you're not going to be successful. Grudens principles of successful football, "Recognize, Communicate and Execute ".
totally agree. It happens every week in the NFL. Coaching was NOT the issue in Minnesota this year, and hopefully the Wilf's will see that. I'm sure they will.
Just pay KOC! He is a good coach. He will figure it out. Only year 3 as a head coach.
With Mike Zimmer getting 8 years. I doubt there is not a deal done, even if its a 2 year deal to keep this thing going. Most wins in the first 3 years, although not playoff wins (yet) means something.
This guy was handcuffed to Kirk his first 2 years and really made the best out of the team with him at QB and this year brought a team everyone thought would be bottom 5 to the playoffs with Sam Darnold. (a ton of credit to Flores too who brought out the most of a defense that was B or B+ talent)
This coming year he can coach a young qb and finally have cap room to build an oline in front of him. If they still don't address oline and defense with 72m in cap space then you can start talking about O'Connell.
Hmmmm...Kirk won multiple playoff games without KOC.
@ Kirk is 1-4 in the playoffs. Put down the drink
I wonder what happens to "QB's don't fail organizations, organizations fail QB's."
THe GM has hit on one player in the draft in three years. Addison
How can he say he’s a Vikings fan and even entertain this idea. KOC is an incredible coach. Even if they were deciding to trade him who would be better than KOC that they could get?
The media wants KOC in New York so bad 😂
Great job guys
THe team is never ready for a big game. 13 wins lost to the giants 14 wins lost to the Lions and Rams
35 or 36 1 score games over the last 3 seasons (51 total games). If Flores leaves the defense likely regresses. Don't be surprised if this teams fortunes flip in close games and they have several sub .500 years with KOC. The media and optimistic fans act like he's Lombardi 2.0. He's literally accomplished nothing.
Florio is just mad he got hopeful(like LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US VIKINGS FANS) and got humbled. Dude,..... we were expected to win 6 wins and got 14.... but sure. O Line deteriorated, Darnold did too. If you think the Vikings are gonna drop KOC, you're out of your mind.
Chris could give two sh...ts what Florio is saying. Broken record season after season. Florio is the poster child for the classic disgruntled Vikings fan...who's had enough of loser ball.
All you little emotional fans are missing the entire point of this discussion. No one is saying Wilfs wouldn’t want KOC just because of a couple losses. It’s so funny how all of you are so quick to point out that Darnold lost himself millions of dollars because of those two games but yall get your panties in a bunch when someone points out that, no, KOC probably won’t get as much money as we all thought two weeks ago. Same with Sam. It doesn’t have to be logical per se this is just how things go. If your opinion is as plain as “give KOC whatever he wants” then this topic isn’t for you.
Florio is over-thinking this.
Rick Speilman couldn't seem to draft a corner that stuck around. Couldn't identify a QB, neglected to put an O-line around his QB.
Meanwhile, in Detroit....
Uh, Xavier Rhodes was one of the best CB's in Vikings history! But I 100% agree with the QB issue. Even he admitted he might still be around if he could evaluate QB's.
O'Connell is predictable and soft...
Jones got over 1,500 yards this year. I wouldn't say that isn't a good run game. The talk about KOC leaving is nonsense. The Vikings will be in the Superbowl in the next 3 years. He got far this year with a troubled QB.
If the Vikings don’t wanna extend KOC the cowboys will happily hire him
This will never happen the Vikings need a great coach in that division to compete with the Lions and Packers. Pay him 15 million to a coach is nothing in the grand scheme of the NFL right now. I am not so sure that when Kevin brought this up a few weeks ago that this didn't start the downfall of the Vikings. If I were a player I'd be like wtf is he bringing this up now for?
I don’t think O’Connell is the guy for the Vikings. He can’t seem to cross the rubicon.
Darnold isn’t the answer.
A great offensive play caller does not equate to a great head coach
Florio this is why I can hardly listen to you anymore. I’m a Simms fan so that’s why I watch these.
You guys gonna talk about Todd Bowles?
Ok, in defense of KOC, the guys had to turn chicken bleep into chicken salad. His first 2 years, we had Kirk Cousins, 3rd year Sam Darnold. Show me a coach that could do what KOC did with those QB's. We all saw tge Falcons with Kirk they want him gone after 1 season.
Kirk won playoff games prior to KOC....
I have a serious case of FNF (Florio Nonsense Fatigue).
This is seriously the dumbest attempt yet at creating drama for an organization where there is no drama. The national media is continually trying to give the best Viking assets to NY … ala they should trade Jefferson last offseason and now they should trade KO … after they just won 14 games and have a first round rookie QB he hand picked to develop. Completely mindless.
O'Connell is going to throw Sam Darold under the bus. Wait, Sam is already under the bus? Nevermind.
He didn't have to. Darnold crawled under that bus on his own. You're a 27 year old quarterback with a history on a one year contract that's been on multiple teams. In your last two games, you play badly enough to lose the game, hence seeding and in the next game one and done. Darnold ran at high speed toward that bus.
KO could not really develop every quarterback, he struggle after Kirk cousin got injured. Js
Lions own the North!!
🦁🏆🥇👑😎
I own your woman
How easy would it be to replace him?
When the guy over achieves this isn’t even worthy of discussion!
Offense and defense both TERRIBLE in that loss to the daniel jones giants. Kirk is laughable. I dont believe kwesi is a good gm. O connell given bad rosters lol.
Hey yeah Jets should trade Aaron to the Vikings for OConnell so Rodgers can fufil the final phase of the Bret Favre adjacent career trajectory. Only he didn't start his career with the Falcons. Ohhh bet u didn't know favre was on the falcons
KOC OUT COACHED VS RAMS!
O'Connell is a choker like Denny take a knee Green. Remember the Vikings twice should have fired Denny and hired their Defensive Coordinator (Dungy & Tomlin). Funny they went on to win Superbowls. Real Talk 💯
Florio aka the vikings fan who wants to trade away every good player and now the coach. Spring time he talked about trading Jefferson daily
To be fair the Vikings only lost to two teams this season.
Or did O’Connell do it on purpose so he gets let go and the Jets pick him up
Self-scout...yourself? That makes no sense. It's like thrower of the football. Stop trying to sound smart.
The Vikings just want to make money they don't not care about the team the way you are talking that's what it sounds like
See what happens with cap room in 2025 and 2026
Um, can you trade a coach? Or are these guys being sarcastic?
Yes coaches have been traded before
Florio u need to stfu. Stop claiming to be a vikings fan while also flaming them and creating non issues every chance u get. The shtick is getting old
I tried, I really tried, these two suck. And Florio on anything Vikings..... I know he says he is a fan, but he is ALWAYS wrong. All conjecture, all the time.
Flores is KOC's weakness in contract talks.
Koc is overrated. Great talker terrible play caller
Good grief ... Once again - talking heads going to extremes trying to get views. Stupid takes
He lost to the teams 2 repeat.
Top it
Fire KOC
Who cares
What a load of garbage
Click bait speculation