They really should have a different flag depending on who unifies Italy, to have the House of Savoy Coat of Arms on the tricolour when it was the Two Sicilies who unified it is rather horrendous lmao
Absolutely, they introduced a new system for USA flag they done a lot of stuff for flags and then they completely trascurate Italy unification and just slap savoy flag with every state. Ridiculous honestly.
Enjoyed the stream Edit: don’t know if someone told you why it’s callled the two Sicily’s but it’s because when the kingdom of sicily lost The island of Sicily to Aragon they kept the name kingdom of Sicily but when they got it back they just called it two Sicilys referring to the kingdom and the island
No that's not the reason, you're right they called the island and the mainland sicily, but the founder of the kingdom in 1815 decided to found a new kingdom to abolish both the sicilian and neopolitan senate, and to abolish the sicilian constitution that weakned his power.
@@oppionatedindividual8256 i dont think so, this is just a quick explanation on a youtube comment section its not like hes purposefully spreading misinformation
Hi I'm your south Italian commie obsessed with history guy, who will unfold the Two Sicilies "segreto di pulcinella" (pulcinella's secret) to you. Well it's an historic and cultural reason, it starts from 1130 when all the south of the peninsula was unified under Norman kingdom of Sicily. When it fell after Federico II di Svevia, the stupor mundi, it was divided in two different kingdoms a French-magiar dynasty of Anjou in Naples and a Spanish dinasty of Aragon in Sicily, they were assigned by popes that called those territories in their bulls: "Regnum Siciliae Citra pharum" Sicilia Citra and "Regnum Siciliae ultra Pharum" Sicilia ultra (it really meant Sicily under the lighthouse of Messina and Sicily up the lighthouse). Afer that those territories were under Spain, then under HRE and again Spain, for all that time Sicily and kingdom of Naples were always under two different viceroyalties. When Borbone's of Sicily got both the kingdoms in their hands, they at first considered themselves as kings of two different kingdoms, but after the congress of Vienna Ferdinando IV di Borbone (the one you're playing with) unified the two crowns and, considering the papal denominations of the two territories, lower Sicily for Kingdom Sicily and upper Sicily for Kingdom of Naples, he called the new unified kingdom as Two Sicilies. The cultural part is that our ancestors didn't call themselves with a common name, they called themselves Sicilians in Sicily and Neapolitans elsewhere, my ancestors where from Abruzzo and condidered themselves Neapolitans for example, this was because of culture differences between the two people... but Sicilians and Neapolitans considered themselves Italians too, but why Italians are in fact a only one people despite the huge differences Italians perceive between themselves it's another enormous and complicated topic that starts from when Romans stopped to call themselves Romans in favor of Italians in the IX century, but I won't discuss it now. Great video by the way, it was really fun to watch (sorry for my bad English)
You can do this in 1840 if you keep relations up with all of the Italian states and are the first to get nationalism! I have an Italy run with 400m GDP in 1880
In the future do you think you'll play as Portugal? The start is brutal with negative income for quite a bit i've tried it like 3 times today and i always completely got owned. never managed to get off the red. Still pretty much learning the game so maybe it's a lot easier than i'm painting it out to be but i'd like to see how you takle those sort of starts
2:50:50 that is the sardinian kingdom coat of arms. Its the actual flag of the italian kingdom, but since it has been formed with two sicilies this flag has no sense on this game, it should have two sicilies coat of arms in it. A detail, but enough to break immersion if you know that, even more if you think that two sicilian italian flag is no fiction but actually exists: it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regno_delle_Due_Sicilie#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Kingdom_of_the_Two_Sicilies_(1860).svg
I hate it when ppl ask something like "Is it even fun/good". Not like those definitions are personalised. Something I find fun isn't what others might find fun.
To be fair tho, asking for someone's experience before purchasing and trying out the game is a smart thing to do. And while personalized, there is definitely some overlap when it comes to personal experiences. If 9/10 people say the UI sucks (as an example), you're more likely to be wary of it. Same thing if 8/10 say the war mechanic is very fun (another example), you're more likely to try it out with anticipation. It's weird to act as if a game with a million-strong people as a fan-base won't have a lot of general overlap when it comes to what they deem to be fun/good.
Who ever asked "is that an Australian accent" how dare he, we sound nothing like the welsh hahaha. Not a fan of wars, Id rather they made it like Vic 2 or even better hoi4 now that would be amazing.
They really should have a different flag depending on who unifies Italy, to have the House of Savoy Coat of Arms on the tricolour when it was the Two Sicilies who unified it is rather horrendous lmao
in hpm i think you can get that papal coat of arms if you form italy as them, idk about the other italians though
Absolutely, they introduced a new system for USA flag they done a lot of stuff for flags and then they completely trascurate Italy unification and just slap savoy flag with every state.
Ridiculous honestly.
Same with Russia in many PDX games. They always have Moscow COA even if it was not Moscow that united Russia.
That is the most history nerd ahh comment I've ever read
Enjoyed the stream
Edit: don’t know if someone told you why it’s callled the two Sicily’s but it’s because when the kingdom of sicily lost The island of Sicily to Aragon they kept the name kingdom of Sicily but when they got it back they just called it two Sicilys referring to the kingdom and the island
That makes a lot of sense!
Thank you for explaining!
No that's not the reason, you're right they called the island and the mainland sicily, but the founder of the kingdom in 1815 decided to found a new kingdom to abolish both the sicilian and neopolitan senate, and to abolish the sicilian constitution that weakned his power.
@@erketyrettile4734 yeah I dunno the whole reason but my comment was really simplified to the point it was wrong but eh who cares
@@divinfasti2439 historians would care I’d imagine.
@@oppionatedindividual8256 i dont think so, this is just a quick explanation on a youtube comment section
its not like hes purposefully spreading misinformation
Intensive Agriculture was discovered thousands of years ago. I hate how it’s not unlocked by default everywhere
I’m sure you found it again, but I believe to release subjects it’s in the diplomacy tab! Excited for the welsh game
Hi I'm your south Italian commie obsessed with history guy, who will unfold the Two Sicilies "segreto di pulcinella" (pulcinella's secret) to you. Well it's an historic and cultural reason, it starts from 1130 when all the south of the peninsula was unified under Norman kingdom of Sicily. When it fell after Federico II di Svevia, the stupor mundi, it was divided in two different kingdoms a French-magiar dynasty of Anjou in Naples and a Spanish dinasty of Aragon in Sicily, they were assigned by popes that called those territories in their bulls: "Regnum Siciliae Citra pharum" Sicilia Citra and "Regnum Siciliae ultra Pharum" Sicilia ultra (it really meant Sicily under the lighthouse of Messina and Sicily up the lighthouse). Afer that those territories were under Spain, then under HRE and again Spain, for all that time Sicily and kingdom of Naples were always under two different viceroyalties. When Borbone's of Sicily got both the kingdoms in their hands, they at first considered themselves as kings of two different kingdoms, but after the congress of Vienna Ferdinando IV di Borbone (the one you're playing with) unified the two crowns and, considering the papal denominations of the two territories, lower Sicily for Kingdom Sicily and upper Sicily for Kingdom of Naples, he called the new unified kingdom as Two Sicilies. The cultural part is that our ancestors didn't call themselves with a common name, they called themselves Sicilians in Sicily and Neapolitans elsewhere, my ancestors where from Abruzzo and condidered themselves Neapolitans for example, this was because of culture differences between the two people... but Sicilians and Neapolitans considered themselves Italians too, but why Italians are in fact a only one people despite the huge differences Italians perceive between themselves it's another enormous and complicated topic that starts from when Romans stopped to call themselves Romans in favor of Italians in the IX century, but I won't discuss it now.
Great video by the way, it was really fun to watch (sorry for my bad English)
You can do this in 1840 if you keep relations up with all of the Italian states and are the first to get nationalism! I have an Italy run with 400m GDP in 1880
Never thought I would hear anyone say that a Viccy game was easier to get into than EU4 O.o
Snap how are you enjoying the game so far?
In the future do you think you'll play as Portugal? The start is brutal with negative income for quite a bit i've tried it like 3 times today and i always completely got owned. never managed to get off the red. Still pretty much learning the game so maybe it's a lot easier than i'm painting it out to be but i'd like to see how you takle those sort of starts
2:50:50 that is the sardinian kingdom coat of arms. Its the actual flag of the italian kingdom, but since it has been formed with two sicilies this flag has no sense on this game, it should have two sicilies coat of arms in it. A detail, but enough to break immersion if you know that, even more if you think that two sicilian italian flag is no fiction but actually exists: it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regno_delle_Due_Sicilie#/media/File:Flag_of_the_Kingdom_of_the_Two_Sicilies_(1860).svg
I hate it when ppl ask something like "Is it even fun/good". Not like those definitions are personalised. Something I find fun isn't what others might find fun.
To be fair tho, asking for someone's experience before purchasing and trying out the game is a smart thing to do. And while personalized, there is definitely some overlap when it comes to personal experiences. If 9/10 people say the UI sucks (as an example), you're more likely to be wary of it. Same thing if 8/10 say the war mechanic is very fun (another example), you're more likely to try it out with anticipation.
It's weird to act as if a game with a million-strong people as a fan-base won't have a lot of general overlap when it comes to what they deem to be fun/good.
good stream :)
Thankyou!
Why capital is not in Rome? Is there a way to move it?
There's a way to move capitals, yes.
@@theotakuking4136 Do you know how to do it? Because I can't really figure it out. Thanks
Hmm yes lore of pax italia irredenta momentum 100
Loved the stream
🎉
Why are you not playing as the Savoia Dynasty?
becouse nobody likes savoia dynasty
@@lokibau is it too difficult?
@@temblorjamesronald9427 dont think so, but i found them unappealing
why as Sicily ;-;
I've never played Piedmont-Sardinia (the people who actually unified italy irl) but I'm pretty sure two sicilies is stronger
Who ever asked "is that an Australian accent" how dare he, we sound nothing like the welsh hahaha.
Not a fan of wars, Id rather they made it like Vic 2 or even better hoi4 now that would be amazing.
But...but it was Piedmont who unified Italy historically :(
First time with alt history games, eh?
The entire point of these games is to do things differently
@@derekskelton4187 This is a game that modelled on historical accuracy though
@@adamrules01 lol
This “game” is awful