I've got to say that these podcasts have been more helpful to me than hours of internet searching and reading posts of internet experts. These videos are put on by people who actually know what they are talking about and have proven it with scientific testing and loads of experience. Makes me proud that I shoot Hornady bullets and gives me a reason to keep on shooting Hornady.
Guys, thank you so much for these 2 cleaning podcasts. This is the most useful content I’ve ever seen on TH-cam. Having SMEs cover these subjects with facts and experience is beyond helpful for a guy like me who is trying to parse fact from fiction.
My 60 dollar Teslong borescope has served me well. It's been down numerous rifle and pistol barrels, in and around my engine bay, underneath and inside the walls of my house, they're super handy. And when mine quit working after about 10 months of pretty regular use, their customer service sent me a new one free of charge. Couldn't be happier As for the carbon ring; anytime I clean my barrel, after I'm done, I pull the bore guide out then take a chamber cleaning rod with an Iosso brush a caliber or two over the size of the bore and just use that and the cleaning fluid remaining in there to clean the carbon ring out. Give it maybe a 20 or 30 turns and that's usually enough to remove it as long as I do it every time. Run a few more dry patches through the barrel then put a large dry patch over a 45 cal brush and use that on the chamber cleaning rod to remove whatever gunk and cleaning fluids are left from the chamber. It's an extra couple of minutes tops as long as you do it regularly
BoreTech is the bomb! I use the C4 carbon cleaner followed by the CU+2 copper cleaner with excellent results, because I shoot Outfitter ammo in my 300 PRC, 7mm PRC and 6.5 Creedmoor.
Now these are the best episodes. I was waiting for this one. I don't have to clean my weapon 5x to turn it in anymore but I still have to keep it pretty clean. I'm probably just conditioned, lol.
This is long overdue, so I'll start by saying great podcasts and hats off to Steve and Jason Hornady for their sessions and permitting these to proceed. A wealth of information from several aspects of my life and career. I'm a lifelong hunter of waterfowl, other game birds, small game, turkey, and whitetail deer. Most of that involved shotgun hunting, but I started using Hornady ammunition years ago primarily for woodchucks in 22-250. That led to SST slugs for deer, since only shotguns and slugs were permitted here until recent years. This led to purchasing multiple 17HM2 and HMR rifles and ammunition, LeveRevolution for my 30.30, and eventually Hornady ammunition of some variation for my .223, 30 .06, .308 and so on in a pile of other calibers. Most recently, straight wall cartridges for deer have been permitted here. That led to the purchase of a .450 Bushmaster, in which my goal now has become convincing the state to permit your SubX ammunition. As Jayden mentioned in the Terminal Ballistics podcast, the laws based on ft lbs. of energy are antiquated. I recently purchased a few boxes of the SubX .450 to begin that push. In addition, I am 30 years and counting in law enforcement officer, over 20 years of that and counting as a firearms instructor and now manager of all Firearms Training for a large agency. That involves duty handguns, off duty handguns carried in a concealed capacity, AR15 rifles used in a patrol capacity, and to a lesser extent, larger caliber bolt, and or gas operated rifles utilized in a counter sniper capacity; and teach Concealed Carry classes in my spare time off. I've discussed and debated handgun caliber and ammunition countless times, and appreciated the Critical Duty/Critical Defense podcast. I've researched, studied, and teach Ballistics at a basic level to entry level shooters, and Jayden's in depth Internal, External, and Terminal explanations are awesome. Even though as a department, our officers don't get a choice in what make and model weapon to carry as a patrol rifle, the podcast with Mile's discussing gas guns was well explained, as we get a lot of questions from officers that then want to purchase other gas guns for use outside the department, and it helps to have this information to back up what we explain to them when it comes to ammunition selection, under gassing, over gassing, how to troubleshoot issues. reasons for brass ejecting at various angles, and so forth. The podcast on Suppressors was also helpful, as we are currently pushing to go that route for prevention of hearing loss, both on the range (indoors), and out in the field where a weapon may well be deployed inside the confines of an apartment. The barrel cleaning podcasts are another great addition, as well as your groups are too small, the various types of bullets from Vmax, to CX, to the ELD X and Match. I should add muzzle loading too. I couldn't find Bore Drivers in time for this year, but I have them now, and I'll be sending them downrange and prepared before next season. Thanks to Hornady for a wealth of great information. Seth does a great job hosting, and all of the guests present information professionally. Someone should write a book on Dave Emory. Lastly, I was planning to re barrel a 22-250, but I'm now determined to build a 22ARC. Be safe!
Love this series on cleaning. One suggestion for part 3 - can we talk a little about rimfire? That ammo tends to be considerably dirtier. I’m getting into the precision 22 competition game and would be interested to hear some tips.
I could expect them to touch on 17 HMR and 22 WMR, but since Hornady doesn't make 22LR I wouldn't be surprised if they devoted little time to it. I hope my cynicism of companies is unwarranted here and they would touch on 22LR being the most popular round of all time.
Long time user of your ammo.Last few years many of your other products (reloading) . I wish there was more Hornady TV in general!You guys rock! Thank you for podcasts and educational tips and enlightening us all. Hope you guys decide to put the Harrisburg Sportsman Show on your road map for next year's shows. Was really hoping you guys were going to be there this year. Seeing more of others there now.. Redding, Sierra,Barnes, Xtreme, Freedom. Was hoping for the Big H to be hanging when I walked in last Saturday. Maybe next year...
Great show guys. After cleaning to the hard carbon and Boretech products remove no more I add this. I soak the hard carbon with slip2000 over night. I then use an oil soaked bronze brush pushed from breach to muzzle only. I clean the brush with alcohol or action cleaner each pass and repeat brush process two more times. I will then push more oil soaked patches through and let it soak over night again, followed by a final patching the next day. This is normally all that is needed but if carbon is still present then a light Iosso application on a patch to address the finall small carbon particles as well as manage the gator skin texture followed by a thorough bore flush.
Good podcast, I might add that the cleaning time/effort, along with the type or style of shooting being done, that the quality of the barrel machining will have a large effect. My great shooting Savage barrel is nasty inside and takes lots of effort. Patch out with accelerator along with JB is much needed and is what I use. KG simply takes way too long and is too much scrubbing. Can’t wait to upgrade the barrel on it.
Have you guys experimented with Lock-Easy? After cleaning your barrel and before shooting again run a patch soaked with Lock-Easy down the bore and let it dry. It leaves a graphite layer after the carrier evaporates. It will make your first shot hit closer to fouled groups and after 3 or 4 treatments will make your barrel much easier to clean. Just a few patches with C4/Eliminator and it looks like new again. It also supposedly helps fill in fire cracking. Another tip from Cortina & Speedy.
Love your podcasts. Very informative. I’m a little confused to the comments about examining patches for carbon removal using the abrasives. My experience with all the mentioned abrasives is that will turn a patch black if used on the outside of the barrel!
I use a three step process. It starts with a copper fouling remover, followed by a carbon removal solvent, and finished with a light oil-typically CLP. All three processes are patched through until the bore is dry. I typically do not run a drying agent through them, just patch it until dry.
On Episode 1, you mentioned they did some testing on copper removing solvents (they soaked bullets and measured the jacket). Was that in Episode 2 and I missed it??? Definitely interested to hear those results! (Especially since I run monos in a 22cm and 26 Nosler😁). Solid episode. The info was spot on with what I have learned through (expensive) trial and error. Forums have become a cesspool, and led me down a lot of wrong paths early on. Good to see some straight forward info presented. **For anyone reading this that's learning the game, pay attention to "hard" carbon removal, as 90%+ of forum answers are just guys telling how they "maintenance" clean!** Hard carbon and typical carbon buildup are two different animals. 100% get yourself a Teslong and actually see what you are doing in there.
Good follow up Good chat Good details Thanks Well done... Fiddly Question. Might a barrel that's kept clean every 20 shots...maybe not last as long as a barrel that is fouled usualy...thus carbon. And copper acting as a barrier? Large bore, small bore, overbore. I guess large bore and not overbore might be able to be less effected by fouling in such case...as you mentioned . Thanks again .
Questions: 1) In a carbon steel barrel, if the chamber is not oiled for storage, do you experience rust in the chamber? 2) I think the carbon steel barrel is more anodic than brass and copper which could lead to galvanic corrosion of the steel. Thoughts?
Tipton Pellets work great. dab of CLP. run pellets till they come out clean. how many rounds - some say not till accuracy falls off, some say after every range session and some say after such and such number of shots fired. (i say after every range trip, in an AR after every 100 shots, bolt when i get home) my break-in is for the 1st 10 shots i will run a wet pellet 2 strokes in between each shot, then 11-40 shots i will run a wet pellet after every 10 shots, then im broke-in after that 40th shot
You got to try CLR for a carbon cleaner test an talk about it. Id say stainless steel barrels only. Eric cortina had a video out years ago on it. I had loaded stabal 65 for my 65 cm , after 15 rounds i couldnt even get the bolt closed. It had a carbon ring that was basically concrete. I worked on it for a week with all kinds of cleaners. Then tried the clr, it was absolutely unbeleivalbe, took it right out. Its such a topic with people. Some say absolutely dont use it , it will damage the barrel. I say as long as its stainless were good. If you have some copper once you get the carbon out. Run some alcohol then some copper cleaner. Itd be a great subject for you guys.
I've been told to clean down to bare metal if switching from mono metal to cup and core bullets. Is this correct? I have been using hoppe's #9 and then montana extreme but that is pretty rough to be around I'm gonna give the bore tech eliminator a shot!
So Hornady uses CUT-RIFLED barrels in their testing??? No wonder no one ever gets the same velocities as listed on the box. The vast majority of hunting rifle barrels are hammer forged or button rifled barrels. They have a lot more roughness and drag on the bullet than quality cut-rifled barrels do. Those mass produced hunting rifle barrels are so rough inside that they shear and tear away a layer of the surface of the bullet as it passes through the bore leaving tons of copper fouling. Those are the only ones that need a "break-in", but only after a quality lapping job. Barrels should be cleaned after each use, regardless of how many rounds fired.
Nice job guys! I have a question that would make a great topic for your show. What can I do when reloading to lessen the sharp crack against my shoulder from the recoil without giving up a lot of performance? Essentially, can we tune a cartridge like a 35 Whelen or all the 30 calibers to be less harsh on the shoulder and turn a mule kick into a push. Essentially, tuning the bullet weight and powder to benefit the shooter for better follow through and follow up shooting. Looking for something more than just shoot a lighter bullet. I always look forward to your presentations and discussions and hope you can find it possible to address this issue. Mike Sherretz
Newer muzzle devices can reduce the recoil by 50% or more. Ultradyne Apollo Max, Precision Armament Hypertap & TRYBE Defense CIB, are a few examples. There's probably 50 or more that can reduce recoil by that much. There's pros and cons to many of these devices. Here's a video comparison of a few th-cam.com/video/SjTN9J-pghM/w-d-xo.html
I would like to hear some general recommendations on round count before cleaning for common firearms such as: 22LR / AR Platforms - 5.56 / 300 BLK / Handguns And recommended techniques for cleaning Thank you! (Awesome Podcasts!)
Excellent podcast! Can you cover 9mm Luger and pistol barrels (I understand that rifle barrels are far more expensive and harder to maintain, buth there is many myths on pistol barrels as well)?
Yes, 99% alcohol will remove any oil or cleaning agent. I learned this 6 months ago from Eric Cortina (F Class world Champ). If you are storing it for months, then leave Oil or CLP (run dry patch so it does not run into action). But if heading out to shoot or out to hunt run alcohol patch then dry patch to clean out before shooting. Need to fowl barrel with shot or two (before taking out hunting for consistency of first round hit). So that was long answer but yes.
Okay. This is the first time. I ever heard of using alcohol.Leaving a barrel dry. Was always told light oil coating. Never send a round. Down dry barrel ? Have you seen dry method cause 1st round. Affect group. Size in hunting. Guns. In my. Experience with wet oil. Method is very little if any. Affect 1st to 5. Round. In my guns
At 41:52 Matt mentioned that JB shows carbon. I found when I was using JB or Iosso, the patches always comes out black. So I did an experiment and polished the stainless steel on the outside of my barrel a small bit with these abrasives (I have stainless finish on the outside) and I noticed that the patches come out black even on the clean steel. So I concluded that the black on the patches is not necessarily carbon. Perhaps the black is oxidized steel? I'm curious how you determined when the carbon is mostly removed by looking at the patch. Thank you for the sharing your insights with us.
The JB starts gray and turns black. You must repeat the process until it stops changing to black. Then you can finish with a few strokes of the red paste. I wouldn't use gray paste on a new barrel but do recommend a few strokes of the red before shooting a new barrel.
@@rosswitte But my point is in my simple experiment, if I scrub JB on the outside of the barrel that I know is totally clean and shiny the JB will always turn black.. same with IOSSO. So if you wait until it stops coming out black you will clean forever. The black is, unfortunately, not necessarily carbon as the experiment showed me.
The issue with that is they are trying to compare and test bullets, not use the rifle. For them a clean barrel is the only way to keep a constant for testing, to go hunting the only thing that matters is your point of impact staying the same.
It would have been good, very good, if they would have had examples, ie. photos/bore scope images, as examples of what they were discussing. Example.... here is what a barrel/chamber looks like when we use Wipeout. Here is what a barrel/chamber looks like when we use JB. Here is what a barrel/chamber looks like....... you get the idea.
First off before I get treated like a goof by shooters. I am a long time shooter and Hunter and have many guns . I don’t shoot PRS or Bench Rest stage 4 Cancer has changed my life . 416 SS. Is magnetic right? And it can rust or oxidize If you are a gun guy you have lots of guns plus you love new stuff I do Nano oil is pretty cool stuff wipeout cool stuff Bore Tech also . I always swab all my barrels with oil to store them and run a triangle patch through them before I shoot the All my guns shoot way better than this old man all of them under one inch some 1/2 inch years back one nasty ragged hole More barrels or killed with cleaning rods and over oiling the bore than miss use Love your pod case fellers hope I don’t get acttack by the internet bully’s D
it’s not a break-in process if you’re just shooting 20 to 25 rounds before you start testing your ammo. I’m only making the statement because it contradicts what you said …in other words you’re not really breaking in the rifle you’re just shooting 25 rounds in the slow pace.
i dont think there is an industry standard way of break-in a gun. there are 100 different methods and i think it would be hard to prove scientifically what is best. i listened to the Vortex channel and Ryan said hi break-in is fire 25 rounds as fast as possible and thats his break-in. i think that is way wrong. some say 20 rounds is enough for break-in where as some manufacturers say 200 rounds is break-in. so i think it is very diffricult to say what is a Break-in
Watch a few podcasts with the major barrel manufacturers like Bartlein, Kreiger, Brux etc and you'll hear a lot about how a break-in process isn't necessary in most cases. Just left over dogma from the past
@@DanielReyes-hz1qk Agree, to me, you break in the brass and and wait for the barrel to speed up after more or less 100 rounds. I keep it clean during that time and I don’t overheat. It always served me well.
PLEASE move the mics further from their faces. Or use a mic on the table. The wet mouth noises are pretty high sometimes on this podcast. Love the podcast otherwise
Reference ammo. Stop it, this is not workable for almost all gun owners. Have you ever tried to set up a chronograph on a public range. If permissible next to impossible. Using a chronograph is a pain. Remember the 4-foot model with two tripods. Try and set that up on a range with 10 other people shooting. That’s called making enemies. Even if you have a range in your back yard how much ammo do you squirrel away. It takes 20 rounds to get good data. Save 100 rounds that’s five tests. How may rounds do you sell in a bag of brass? 50. Of the 150-million-gun owners only maybe five or ten million may have that much total. The other 140 million that don’t. There are two rifle range in my State. Mine has a 25 year waiting list. So only .001% of the people have access to a private range here. No chronographs on the public range. Reference ammo should never be brought up in a pod cast again. Its waste time that could be spent elsewhere.
Wow, I really do feel for you. That really sucks on only having 2 rifle ranges in your State and a waiting list on private ranges. I guess I'm fortunate to live in Arizona. Anyway, I know not everyone has the means, but I just invested in a Garmin Xero C1 Chronograph. (Can possibly go in with a shooting buddy or two to reduce cost to you). It can be set on the bench to the side of your rifle 5"-15" inches from your rifle. I can also use it when shooting prone. You will use it on every range trip to gather data and it won't affect other shooters at a public range as you no longer have to set up like the old Chronographs approximately 10 feet in front of your muzzle while everyone else on the line is waiting on you and giving you dirty looks. I get it on reference ammo, especially factory. It's not practical for most people. I'm a reloader, however, so I do keep some reloads I know shoot fantastic that I take to the range. If I'm having a bad shooting day with my reload work ups with different bullets and loads, I will shoot a group with my "reference" loads to verify it is not me or the rifle such as a loose picatinny rail. Many times, I find I was just in a bad scatter node with my reload work up because the reference loads still shot great. I was also able to find that loose picatinny rail I talked about issue and conclude it was not my reloads because of this great shooting reference ammo on one particular range trip.
I've got to say that these podcasts have been more helpful to me than hours of internet searching and reading posts of internet experts. These videos are put on by people who actually know what they are talking about and have proven it with scientific testing and loads of experience. Makes me proud that I shoot Hornady bullets and gives me a reason to keep on shooting Hornady.
Guys, thank you so much for these 2 cleaning podcasts. This is the most useful content I’ve ever seen on TH-cam. Having SMEs cover these subjects with facts and experience is beyond helpful for a guy like me who is trying to parse fact from fiction.
Wow, thank you!
A pt. 3 on barrel life would be greatly appreciated.
My 60 dollar Teslong borescope has served me well. It's been down numerous rifle and pistol barrels, in and around my engine bay, underneath and inside the walls of my house, they're super handy. And when mine quit working after about 10 months of pretty regular use, their customer service sent me a new one free of charge. Couldn't be happier
As for the carbon ring; anytime I clean my barrel, after I'm done, I pull the bore guide out then take a chamber cleaning rod with an Iosso brush a caliber or two over the size of the bore and just use that and the cleaning fluid remaining in there to clean the carbon ring out. Give it maybe a 20 or 30 turns and that's usually enough to remove it as long as I do it every time. Run a few more dry patches through the barrel then put a large dry patch over a 45 cal brush and use that on the chamber cleaning rod to remove whatever gunk and cleaning fluids are left from the chamber. It's an extra couple of minutes tops as long as you do it regularly
BoreTech is the bomb! I use the C4 carbon cleaner followed by the CU+2 copper cleaner with excellent results, because I shoot Outfitter ammo in my 300 PRC, 7mm PRC and 6.5 Creedmoor.
Oh yeah baby!!! Back at the barrel cleaning, much awaited
Past due, thanks for your patience!
@@hornady you guys do a great job!!! Thank you for your podcast!!!
Now these are the best episodes. I was waiting for this one. I don't have to clean my weapon 5x to turn it in anymore but I still have to keep it pretty clean. I'm probably just conditioned, lol.
Need me a part 3 now! Appreciate all the info y’all put out
This is long overdue, so I'll start by saying great podcasts and hats off to Steve and Jason Hornady for their sessions and permitting these to proceed. A wealth of information from several aspects of my life and career. I'm a lifelong hunter of waterfowl, other game birds, small game, turkey, and whitetail deer. Most of that involved shotgun hunting, but I started using Hornady ammunition years ago primarily for woodchucks in 22-250. That led to SST slugs for deer, since only shotguns and slugs were permitted here until recent years. This led to purchasing multiple 17HM2 and HMR rifles and ammunition, LeveRevolution for my 30.30, and eventually Hornady ammunition of some variation for my .223, 30 .06, .308 and so on in a pile of other calibers. Most recently, straight wall cartridges for deer have been permitted here. That led to the purchase of a .450 Bushmaster, in which my goal now has become convincing the state to permit your SubX ammunition. As Jayden mentioned in the Terminal Ballistics podcast, the laws based on ft lbs. of energy are antiquated. I recently purchased a few boxes of the SubX .450 to begin that push. In addition, I am 30 years and counting in law enforcement officer, over 20 years of that and counting as a firearms instructor and now manager of all Firearms Training for a large agency. That involves duty handguns, off duty handguns carried in a concealed capacity, AR15 rifles used in a patrol capacity, and to a lesser extent, larger caliber bolt, and or gas operated rifles utilized in a counter sniper capacity; and teach Concealed Carry classes in my spare time off. I've discussed and debated handgun caliber and ammunition countless times, and appreciated the Critical Duty/Critical Defense podcast. I've researched, studied, and teach Ballistics at a basic level to entry level shooters, and Jayden's in depth Internal, External, and Terminal explanations are awesome. Even though as a department, our officers don't get a choice in what make and model weapon to carry as a patrol rifle, the podcast with Mile's discussing gas guns was well explained, as we get a lot of questions from officers that then want to purchase other gas guns for use outside the department, and it helps to have this information to back up what we explain to them when it comes to ammunition selection, under gassing, over gassing, how to troubleshoot issues. reasons for brass ejecting at various angles, and so forth. The podcast on Suppressors was also helpful, as we are currently pushing to go that route for prevention of hearing loss, both on the range (indoors), and out in the field where a weapon may well be deployed inside the confines of an apartment. The barrel cleaning podcasts are another great addition, as well as your groups are too small, the various types of bullets from Vmax, to CX, to the ELD X and Match. I should add muzzle loading too. I couldn't find Bore Drivers in time for this year, but I have them now, and I'll be sending them downrange and prepared before next season. Thanks to Hornady for a wealth of great information. Seth does a great job hosting, and all of the guests present information professionally. Someone should write a book on Dave Emory. Lastly, I was planning to re barrel a 22-250, but I'm now determined to build a 22ARC. Be safe!
Great Video. Can you guys talk about cleaning a target crown, how often and methods, in the next one? Can cleaning a muzzle device effect accuracy?
Love this series on cleaning. One suggestion for part 3 - can we talk a little about rimfire? That ammo tends to be considerably dirtier. I’m getting into the precision 22 competition game and would be interested to hear some tips.
My question exactly.
Agreed
I could expect them to touch on 17 HMR and 22 WMR, but since Hornady doesn't make 22LR I wouldn't be surprised if they devoted little time to it. I hope my cynicism of companies is unwarranted here and they would touch on 22LR being the most popular round of all time.
Awesome! Thank you for these technical episodes. I've been waiting on this one after seeing the first part.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Long time user of your ammo.Last few years many of your other products (reloading) . I wish there was more Hornady TV in general!You guys rock! Thank you for podcasts and educational tips and enlightening us all. Hope you guys decide to put the Harrisburg Sportsman Show on your road map for next year's shows. Was really hoping you guys were going to be there this year. Seeing more of others there now.. Redding, Sierra,Barnes, Xtreme, Freedom. Was hoping for the Big H to be hanging when I walked in last Saturday. Maybe next year...
Your absolutely correct on Bore tech cleaning products. I absolutely love them. No smell! My favorite is the Copper cleaner. Works great!
Thanks for sharing!!
Great show guys. After cleaning to the hard carbon and Boretech products remove no more I add this. I soak the hard carbon with slip2000 over night. I then use an oil soaked bronze brush pushed from breach to muzzle only. I clean the brush with alcohol or action cleaner each pass and repeat brush process two more times. I will then push more oil soaked patches through and let it soak over night again, followed by a final patching the next day. This is normally all that is needed but if carbon is still present then a light Iosso application on a patch to address the finall small carbon particles as well as manage the gator skin texture followed by a thorough bore flush.
Can you present visual aids of topics, per se carbon ring?
Very good and helpful info
Good podcast, I might add that the cleaning time/effort, along with the type or style of shooting being done, that the quality of the barrel machining will have a large effect. My great shooting Savage barrel is nasty inside and takes lots of effort. Patch out with accelerator along with JB is much needed and is what I use. KG simply takes way too long and is too much scrubbing. Can’t wait to upgrade the barrel on it.
Have you guys experimented with Lock-Easy? After cleaning your barrel and before shooting again run a patch soaked with Lock-Easy down the bore and let it dry. It leaves a graphite layer after the carrier evaporates. It will make your first shot hit closer to fouled groups and after 3 or 4 treatments will make your barrel much easier to clean. Just a few patches with C4/Eliminator and it looks like new again. It also supposedly helps fill in fire cracking. Another tip from Cortina & Speedy.
Was waiting for this one. Very informative, Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great podcast. Thanks for all the info you guys give us
Our pleasure!
Those JB pastes are fantastic especially paired with the vfg pellets.
Thanks guys
My surprise takeaway was keeping the chamber liquid free. Ive been leaving a film of lube in there. What JQ said makes perfect sense. Thanks guys
makes sense, will put isopropyl through. 👍
when /where is part 3?
Been waiting for this one!
Been a long time coming :)
From just Jayden’s quick stories in this episode, I would now love an episode on when Jayden and other lab staff decided to be mad scientists.
You are back!
Love your podcasts. Very informative. I’m a little confused to the comments about examining patches for carbon removal using the abrasives. My experience with all the mentioned abrasives is that will turn a patch black if used on the outside of the barrel!
I use a three step process. It starts with a copper fouling remover, followed by a carbon removal solvent, and finished with a light oil-typically CLP. All three processes are patched through until the bore is dry. I typically do not run a drying agent through them, just patch it until dry.
On Episode 1, you mentioned they did some testing on copper removing solvents (they soaked bullets and measured the jacket). Was that in Episode 2 and I missed it??? Definitely interested to hear those results! (Especially since I run monos in a 22cm and 26 Nosler😁).
Solid episode. The info was spot on with what I have learned through (expensive) trial and error. Forums have become a cesspool, and led me down a lot of wrong paths early on. Good to see some straight forward info presented.
**For anyone reading this that's learning the game, pay attention to "hard" carbon removal, as 90%+ of forum answers are just guys telling how they "maintenance" clean!** Hard carbon and typical carbon buildup are two different animals. 100% get yourself a Teslong and actually see what you are doing in there.
Good follow up
Good chat
Good details
Thanks
Well done...
Fiddly Question.
Might a barrel that's kept clean every 20 shots...maybe not last as long as a barrel that is fouled usualy...thus carbon. And copper acting as a barrier? Large bore, small bore, overbore. I guess large bore and not overbore might be able to be less effected by fouling in such case...as you mentioned .
Thanks again .
Good question. Perhaps this can be addressed in part 3
Very cool. Us normal guys want to use what you Pros use. Great info.
Right on
Questions: 1) In a carbon steel barrel, if the chamber is not oiled for storage, do you experience rust in the chamber? 2) I think the carbon steel barrel is more anodic than brass and copper which could lead to galvanic corrosion of the steel. Thoughts?
Solid episode. Very informative and interesting. Any special insights into removing lead fouling from revolver bores? Many of us shoot cast bullets.
Tipton Pellets work great. dab of CLP. run pellets till they come out clean. how many rounds - some say not till accuracy falls off, some say after every range session and some say after such and such number of shots fired. (i say after every range trip, in an AR after every 100 shots, bolt when i get home)
my break-in is for the 1st 10 shots i will run a wet pellet 2 strokes in between each shot, then 11-40 shots i will run a wet pellet after every 10 shots, then im broke-in after that 40th shot
You got to try CLR for a carbon cleaner test an talk about it. Id say stainless steel barrels only. Eric cortina had a video out years ago on it. I had loaded stabal 65 for my 65 cm , after 15 rounds i couldnt even get the bolt closed. It had a carbon ring that was basically concrete. I worked on it for a week with all kinds of cleaners. Then tried the clr, it was absolutely unbeleivalbe, took it right out.
Its such a topic with people. Some say absolutely dont use it , it will damage the barrel. I say as long as its stainless were good. If you have some copper once you get the carbon out. Run some alcohol then some copper cleaner.
Itd be a great subject for you guys.
Yep… CLR is extremely effective on carbon. But it also etches the steel so it has to be used cautiously with very short dwell times.
I've been told to clean down to bare metal if switching from mono metal to cup and core bullets. Is this correct? I have been using hoppe's #9 and then montana extreme but that is pretty rough to be around I'm gonna give the bore tech eliminator a shot!
A friend bought a 378 -338 Weatherby it was the shinyist bore I had seen . The first shot looked like a shotgun on the target . After that ok .
Thanks guys great stuff
Thanks for watching!
So Hornady uses CUT-RIFLED barrels in their testing??? No wonder no one ever gets the same velocities as listed on the box. The vast majority of hunting rifle barrels are hammer forged or button rifled barrels. They have a lot more roughness and drag on the bullet than quality cut-rifled barrels do. Those mass produced hunting rifle barrels are so rough inside that they shear and tear away a layer of the surface of the bullet as it passes through the bore leaving tons of copper fouling. Those are the only ones that need a "break-in", but only after a quality lapping job. Barrels should be cleaned after each use, regardless of how many rounds fired.
🕵️♂️ GREAT TOPIC! THANK YOU!!! 👍🥳
You bet
😃 I Can't Wait to Learn More on Episode #3! 🥳👍
Nice job guys! I have a question that would make a great topic for your show. What can I do when reloading to lessen the sharp crack against my shoulder from the recoil without giving up a lot of performance? Essentially, can we tune a cartridge like a 35 Whelen or all the 30 calibers to be less harsh on the shoulder and turn a mule kick into a push.
Essentially, tuning the bullet weight and powder to benefit the shooter for better follow through and follow up shooting. Looking for something more than just shoot a lighter bullet.
I always look forward to your presentations and discussions and hope you can find it possible to address this issue.
Mike Sherretz
Newer muzzle devices can reduce the recoil by 50% or more. Ultradyne Apollo Max, Precision Armament Hypertap & TRYBE Defense CIB, are a few examples. There's probably 50 or more that can reduce recoil by that much. There's pros and cons to many of these devices. Here's a video comparison of a few th-cam.com/video/SjTN9J-pghM/w-d-xo.html
I would like to hear some general recommendations on round count before cleaning for common firearms such as:
22LR / AR Platforms - 5.56 / 300 BLK / Handguns
And recommended techniques for cleaning
Thank you! (Awesome Podcasts!)
They said to chrono is and have a set test batch if I'm not mistaken.
Would you all consider doing a segment on hydrostatic shock?
Yes, use Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide as a follow up patch to some solvents.
Excellent podcast! Can you cover 9mm Luger and pistol barrels (I understand that rifle barrels are far more expensive and harder to maintain, buth there is many myths on pistol barrels as well)?
What is the recommended cleaning routine for shooting the CX bullets?
Excellent content. You may not know, but you don’t need a coaster under an insulated mug.
Firelapping is great. Takes 1 round, that's it!
Hornady Black 140 gr 6.5 PRC..81623. Can’t find it on Hornady’s website. Anyone familiar?
What do you mean alcohol? So a dry patch will not remove the cleaner? I need to run a patch soaked in iso alcohol after the cleaner? Then oil it.
We like to run an alcohol soaked patch followed by a couple of dry patches before shooting to get any remaining cleaner or oil out of the bore.
Yes, 99% alcohol will remove any oil or cleaning agent. I learned this 6 months ago from Eric Cortina (F Class world Champ). If you are storing it for months, then leave Oil or CLP (run dry patch so it does not run into action). But if heading out to shoot or out to hunt run alcohol patch then dry patch to clean out before shooting. Need to fowl barrel with shot or two (before taking out hunting for consistency of first round hit). So that was long answer but yes.
@@rosshill2565
Thank you
Much appreciated
Okay. This is the first time. I ever heard of using alcohol.Leaving a barrel dry.
Was always told light oil coating. Never send a round. Down dry barrel ?
Have you seen dry method cause 1st round. Affect group. Size in hunting. Guns.
In my. Experience with wet oil. Method is very little if any. Affect 1st to 5. Round. In my guns
At 41:52 Matt mentioned that JB shows carbon. I found when I was using JB or Iosso, the patches always comes out black. So I did an experiment and polished the stainless steel on the outside of my barrel a small bit with these abrasives (I have stainless finish on the outside) and I noticed that the patches come out black even on the clean steel. So I concluded that the black on the patches is not necessarily carbon. Perhaps the black is oxidized steel? I'm curious how you determined when the carbon is mostly removed by looking at the patch. Thank you for the sharing your insights with us.
It should have been mentioned that he is also using a borescope with this process. Personally, I wouldn't use an abrasive without a borescope.
The JB starts gray and turns black. You must repeat the process until it stops changing to black. Then you can finish with a few strokes of the red paste. I wouldn't use gray paste on a new barrel but do recommend a few strokes of the red before shooting a new barrel.
@@rosswitte But my point is in my simple experiment, if I scrub JB on the outside of the barrel that I know is totally clean and shiny the JB will always turn black.. same with IOSSO. So if you wait until it stops coming out black you will clean forever. The black is, unfortunately, not necessarily carbon as the experiment showed me.
It would be helpful to see some real demonstrations of how your tech team cleans the barrels.
The issue with that is they are trying to compare and test bullets, not use the rifle. For them a clean barrel is the only way to keep a constant for testing, to go hunting the only thing that matters is your point of impact staying the same.
It would have been good, very good, if they would have had examples, ie. photos/bore scope images, as examples of what they were discussing. Example.... here is what a barrel/chamber looks like when we use Wipeout. Here is what a barrel/chamber looks like when we use JB. Here is what a barrel/chamber looks like....... you get the idea.
First off before I get treated like a goof by shooters. I am a long time shooter and Hunter and have many guns . I don’t shoot PRS or Bench Rest stage 4 Cancer has changed my life . 416 SS. Is magnetic right? And it can rust or oxidize
If you are a gun guy you have lots of guns plus you love new stuff I do Nano oil is pretty cool stuff wipeout cool stuff Bore Tech also . I always swab all my barrels with oil to store them and run a triangle patch through them before I shoot the
All my guns shoot way better than this old man all of them under one inch some 1/2 inch years back one nasty ragged hole
More barrels or killed with cleaning rods and over oiling the bore than miss use
Love your pod case fellers hope I don’t get acttack by the internet bully’s D
So Jayden is just going to wear a hat now instead of finally shaving his head?
"Hey, get me some sweet's!!"-KS 👁 ❤️ 🐢
I learned not to do it my way or assume anything. Rust / corrosion prevention can be simple bc at first thought or very complicated over time. 🤔
Get Tom Busch on the podcast
Where is the part 3?!
Where is number three? It’s been 8 months.
Where is Part 3?
37:30-37:31 “Behoove”
I've ruined barrels by cleaning them too much. The problems were primarily was poor technique.
Excuses Excuses Excuses😂😂😂😂
Montana Xtreme
Anyone else listen to these at 1.25 or 1.5 speed?
20 strokes...are you kidding me...after a 200 round match it takes me forever to get all the carbon out of my barrel....
Stabal 65 caused me probably 2000 strokes , took a week to get what I will call concrete out.
it’s not a break-in process if you’re just shooting 20 to 25 rounds before you start testing your ammo. I’m only making the statement because it contradicts what you said …in other words you’re not really breaking in the rifle you’re just shooting 25 rounds in the slow pace.
i dont think there is an industry standard way of break-in a gun. there are 100 different methods and i think it would be hard to prove scientifically what is best. i listened to the Vortex channel and Ryan said hi break-in is fire 25 rounds as fast as possible and thats his break-in. i think that is way wrong. some say 20 rounds is enough for break-in where as some manufacturers say 200 rounds is break-in. so i think it is very diffricult to say what is a Break-in
Watch a few podcasts with the major barrel manufacturers like Bartlein, Kreiger, Brux etc and you'll hear a lot about how a break-in process isn't necessary in most cases. Just left over dogma from the past
@@DanielReyes-hz1qk Agree, to me, you break in the brass and and wait for the barrel to speed up after more or less 100 rounds. I keep it clean during that time and I don’t overheat. It always served me well.
Wow. People sit and listen to that for an hour? Barely made two minutes.
PLEASE move the mics further from their faces. Or use a mic on the table. The wet mouth noises are pretty high sometimes on this podcast. Love the podcast otherwise
Reference ammo.
Stop it, this is not workable for almost all gun owners. Have you ever tried to set up a chronograph on a public range. If permissible next to impossible. Using a chronograph is a pain. Remember the 4-foot model with two tripods. Try and set that up on a range with 10 other people shooting. That’s called making enemies. Even if you have a range in your back yard how much ammo do you squirrel away. It takes 20 rounds to get good data. Save 100 rounds that’s five tests. How may rounds do you sell in a bag of brass? 50. Of the 150-million-gun owners only maybe five or ten million may have that much total. The other 140 million that don’t. There are two rifle range in my State. Mine has a 25 year waiting list. So only .001% of the people have access to a private range here. No chronographs on the public range. Reference ammo should never be brought up in a pod cast again. Its waste time that could be spent elsewhere.
Wow, I really do feel for you. That really sucks on only having 2 rifle ranges in your State and a waiting list on private ranges. I guess I'm fortunate to live in Arizona.
Anyway, I know not everyone has the means, but I just invested in a Garmin Xero C1 Chronograph. (Can possibly go in with a shooting buddy or two to reduce cost to you). It can be set on the bench to the side of your rifle 5"-15" inches from your rifle. I can also use it when shooting prone. You will use it on every range trip to gather data and it won't affect other shooters at a public range as you no longer have to set up like the old Chronographs approximately 10 feet in front of your muzzle while everyone else on the line is waiting on you and giving you dirty looks.
I get it on reference ammo, especially factory. It's not practical for most people. I'm a reloader, however, so I do keep some reloads I know shoot fantastic that I take to the range. If I'm having a bad shooting day with my reload work ups with different bullets and loads, I will shoot a group with my "reference" loads to verify it is not me or the rifle such as a loose picatinny rail. Many times, I find I was just in a bad scatter node with my reload work up because the reference loads still shot great. I was also able to find that loose picatinny rail I talked about issue and conclude it was not my reloads because of this great shooting reference ammo on one particular range trip.
Holy shit Seth you need to just shut up and let them talk!! Constantly interrupting and talking over these other two guys !!