Topaz or To Pass, the third combined shard! | Warframe
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- At the cost of a crimson and amber shard, plus stela, are these topaz shards worth your time? Let's break down all four options and what limits they have.
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0:00 Intro
0:25 Acquisition
0:45 1 Gain max health
2:43 2 Regen shields
4:36 Mesa application
6:52 3 Pistol crit chance
8:27 Crit chance math
8:49 4 Radiation ability buff
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Just to be clear, the topaz shield Mesa is functional but far from the best. I just couldn't find a better, functional, and *NEW* setup.
Is a corrosive shard better for her then?
@@joewho3088 enemies die before you can get all corrosive stacks built up, rn im just running full crit rate shards on her
@@joewho3088It depends. If you're bringing Mesa to disruption for example, corrosive stacks can be very nice. Archon Hunt Disruption and Axi relic farming on Lua are great places for a corrosive shard Mesa to shine that are also relatively common and Mesa doesn't really perform worse with them. If you're not doing those things or just straight up endless missions, you don't really need shards on her at all. It's a matter of the kind of player you are and the specialization you'd like from her.
Yah disruption is really the only place I'd really bring her because she shreds everywhere else with the build I have. I was playing the archon hunt disruption this week and that was a tanky boy so hopefully adding a tauforged shard will help kill them easier. I know people who do endless disruptions take the focus school for full armor strip but that's less fun than the stand and bang
@@joewho3088 Yeah I went the double normal greens on my Mesa. It doesn't meaningfully reduce performance against most enemies and is the biggest upgrade against the occasional hard target so it seemed very worthwhile.
"Fuse shards, waste bile, and fight well, Tenno." Thank you for your noble sacrifice of Way Too Much Bile to document the To Pass Shard. And all the others. I'm still feeling the pain from finding out that the radiation strength one doesn't affect exalteds, the one thing it would've maybe been useful for
Great for the two radiation frame or smite in general
All my homies HATE bile
Use smite infusion get sad it doesn’t do more damage
radiation doesn't affect exalted? lmao its bile time
it feels like it works on my excal with one of those new radiation melee mods
I think the worst part of it is that you spend a red shard which is very useful in most cases to get these meh buffs.
And an amber shard too, which a lot of builds like for its casting speed (and sometimes energy on spawn) bonus.
yep both it base shard are way better than it
red is good for everyone and yellow are for casting speed and energy that free up mods slots
@@Tiodaiphos or get some parkour speed (which is actually really nice if you have if you got extra archon shard slots)
The one great use of orange i found is the shield restore on Gauss specifically. Thermal sunder does blast when it combines and keeps your shields always up with just 1 tauforged orange
@@undeadinside3571 As he pointed out, it works on partial shield restores, otherwise it would have been op as one of this shards on octavia would make her more broke,9 her mallet deals blast damage).
Its not that they are horrible, its that the buffs are expensive horrible buffs. A crimson shard is the most desirable in most cases for its strength or duration or amber and its quality of life such as cast speed and then here is what we get after these two very handy mods. Mediocrity that dares ask for gameplay shifts or damage limiters (BLAST) as desert. Our date with this shard is over and I'm not paying the tab because these cost left me broke!
Huge thing to point out, qorvex is amazing when played correctly, DE failed to state that the pylon beams not only get supercharged by his 4th ability, but they also spread the explosion to everyone in the radius. Which then daisy chains back and forth between all enemies. This making him amazing and making group clearing even at SP levels trivial for him, so slap that Topaz shard on qorvex and make it rain.
Thank you for this info. I had no idea! Makes me want to get him even more.
This is why I read the comments. Took a screenshot. Appreciate the info
@@furkano8574i also took a screenshot, but on mine is your comment pointing out the screenshot 😂
@@OrloxPhoenix lol it will be a reminder that you appreciate knowledge of others.
As far as I have seen, the daisy chaining happens even if you just use the fourth ability itself.
Thank you kind sir. I have now concluded that I shall create 5 tauforged topaz shards to buff qorvex for the hell of it.
Dump Strength, max range and duration and tag your pillars with your 4, and topaz will actually be better than strength on Crimson.
Look ma! I made a cameo in a Kengineer video!
Sure, it was a Mike Wazowski kind of cameo, but I'll take it all the same!
True to his word, Ken did indeed, write it down 😂
I made 4 Topaz shards the day the update was launched for Titania's dex pixia, my joy didnt last long however since they changed the crit chance to be same as mods shortly after.
Thanks DE
yeah I made one pre nerf and want my red and yellow back please
Same, give me my red shards back
Can you explain, I don't understand what you're talking about tbh. I can't decide if I should slot in some tau topaz or tau reds in my titania
@@hak9786It used to be multiplicative to the damage after your weapon's mods, then it was changed to only additive
Thank God I had read this before combining one for my Mesa.
While it has been interesting to figure how to use green and purple shards, I figured Orange would be the trickiest one to figure out (let alone the one to likely bypass).
It will be interesting to see if DE makes any changes to the shards in the future to try and make some more viable than others, but for now, it was nice to have an overview for all three newer additions.
"Topaz crit is a bonus" and me over here focusing my entire Mesa and Titania builds around 4~5 tau topaz crystals 😂
same lmfao
One thing I'm kinda sad about is that the radiation damage from Hildryn's 3 (Haven) doesn't give a radiation status proc, and therefore doesn't allow blazing pillage (or itself) to benefit from the ability damage bonus of topaz shards...
As a Mesa player, I can confidently say that build is nothing but sheer copium of trying to make the shard usable. Shatter shield+adaptation+grace has served me well throughout steel path, and allows you to still take advantage of your shield gate whilst also requiring more damage to oneshot.
Pistol crit chance shards are also useless on mesa btw, you'll get more damage out of just using an ability strength shard instead.
The crit chance shard are only useles if you dont go big. I use 3 tau topaz on mesa and avenger. It melts everything.
Gonna add another tau topaz whenever i can.
@@OrloxPhoenixi agree if your not putting in 5 tau topaz then it’s not worth it
@@Bryan-zv4jk well 4 tau topaz is +300% crit chance at max (6% per kill). So 4 is good too.
@@OrloxPhoenix yea at a point you have to choose do I want to see consistent red crits or straight up more damage I think I'm leaning more 2 tau topaz and 3 tau crimson with strength since the strength is a way bigger damage boost
What DE had in mind presented in a simple and clear way, as always, thanks! 🍻🍻
Omg new kengineer video :D
Man I really like your videos and I watched loads of them wince I got back into warframe around a month or so ago. One thing yo note is that your intro sounds 10x better and more funky on 1.5x speeds as I watch most of the videos at 1.5 speed. I think you need to make that the default 🙄
Anyone else think that as well ? Try and let me know ?
One thing i would like to say, with 2 tau and 3 normal crit topazes, you can effectively remove the crit mod from peacemakers and use a bane to increase damage even more
With a riven on my ceramic to get 11x base combo for outburst, arcane avenger and tenacious bond i get EXACTLY 200% crit w/ out a crit mod on peacemakers allowing me to run a bane with pure orange crits
Or you could use one single crimson tauforged instead of wasting two for the same exact amount of crit chance instantly. Topaz gived 75% of crit chance after stacking, two of them adding up to 150% of 25, which is 37.5; one single tauforged crimson is 37.5 the moment you enter the mission.
@@vladu__ereds aren't additive gamer, that's not how they work, they give 37.5% of 25%
@@vladu__ei've lost some folds in my brain after reading your comments
You can do some funny things with them, off the top of my head is Atomos Incarnon, with the 3x Critical Damage path, the 200% Critical Chance mod, Cascadia Overcharge, 4 tau topaz shards and boom, red crit all the time and just use Octavia to maintain Overshields. To push this build even further just get more fire rate (Furax, the bond mod, etc) and use Arcane Pistoleer have fun :)
I actually love using 1 tauforged orange on gauss for blast damage refilling shields. Thermal sunder does tons of blast procs when it combines, so you usually keep full shields. Even better with aegis, but not necessary
Great video, already made 4 topaz for super crit mesa go brr build tho, its pretty good damage on the regulators
A big thing worth noting for the blast perks is that Octavia's 1, mallet, deals blast damage. Still doesn't make the shard anything ridiculous, but it is very good as a cherry on top of the powerhouse that is Octavia.
I tried using it for the second perk alongside the convectrix against the murmur enemies, and was confused why I just wasn't getting shields even on launch. It's good to know that it's based off damage rather than status effects
Inaros Rework + 2 Emerald Shards for Full Strip and then slot in a couple topaz for stacking health. his new 4 scales with STR and Max Health
One build worth mentioning is something doable with high-armour frames, like Valkyr, for whom getting 2250 health would be quite the boon (assuming you're not just cheesing with infinite hysteria). Because of her ridiculously high armour value, a lot of EHP potential can end up being left on the table.
Given Valkyr usage typically assumes common melee usage, using secondary or primary to build up health stacks is a viable option. Epitaph, a common primer, has inherent blast on its AoE, which does trigger the archon shard bonus.
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Also hyldren should be able to use it if you want to use the 4 to have possible permanent uptime on the ability with the shield bonus
Does the shield regen perk work on molecular prime explosions? If it does, it could provide some measure of survivability to speed novas, since she can get shield damage reduction through null star.
So, questions for Titania pistols and kuva nukor how does each shard stack with creeping bullseye? They're at 30% for Titania and for the Nukor 21% cc respectable, is it possible to run crit builds on them with with three topaz shards assuming they were tauforged? Also how does it differ between arcane avenger?
Well, I put 3 tauforged sec CC on my Netracell 's Nova build. It's kinda suboptimal but I needed to put those built after the update somewhere hehe.
Let's hope the blast changes and/or any other possible status rework may finally make this share useful
Thanks for this.
I guess there's no Loki map nuke from these then.
i've liked topaz on mesa for the extra secondary crit, but it's nothing insane. i was briefly fiddling with an attempt at a Soma build that leveraged the shield recharge, because i have 30-ish fire rate, a lot of punch through, and hefty multishot, but even before the "you must have shields" restriction was added, it felt inconsistent. at the present moment, i'm liking the purple shards most, since they allow me to make my valkyr just that much more dangerous in melee, with or without talons. between the shards i have right now (2 tau, 3 normal purple, all set for melee crit damage) and tenacious bond, i get absurd crit multipliers. i take a melee weapon with a 1.5x crit multiplier and force it up to 7.2x without mods.
beyond that, the excess purple shards that i will get from cycling valkyr to tauforged will allow me to make one of my other frames randomly much better as a weapons platform, with the extra i think it's 400% electric for normal shards if you have 5 of them? i don't remember for certain offhand. realistically, valkyr is the one i take for 99% of steel path missions unless i have very specific need of a different frames abilities (kuva/lua spy - ivara is the only one i can think of offhand). green is something i only added on saryn, and just added the flat damage bumps for spores, and topaz i think i've only put on mesa, and i am considering hildryn? though hildryn is a coin toss between attempting another shield shard build, or just adding blue shield shards and calling it good.
Would the Blast damage work off of Nova's Molecular Prime for the first two shard abilities?
The only potential value I see with the first bonus (health gain) is combining it with Inaros and maybe arcane blessing to keep scaling damage value of scarab swarm. But still seems really niche and probably better ways to scale health/scarab swarm damage
I use topaz shard with shield regen with blast DMG on my Gauss prime.
Even with the recent nerfs, it's amazing.
I do the same, it really cranks up his defenses, especially with Brief Respite and augur mods.
Are you ever sitting still long enough to take damage that warrants these shards with Gauss?
@@dengar96 Void cascade 1 hour , you reach lvlcap, its not that long time by warframe standards if you mean.
Do you use 5 topaz on gauss for this or just 1?
8:29 In this section, you specifically mentioned Yareli's passive. I don't really know how the math works out, so I wanted to know if it's worth running the secondary crit chance topaz shards on a Yareli Kuva Nukor setup?
I'm trying to get my Nukor to have the highest possible crit stats for Yareli, but I have no clue which of the crit chance modifiers are multiplicative or additive. I felt like these shards would be pretty good but you made it sound like they might not have as much impact on the build as I thought.
its not
@@noahedenborg4221 Good to know, thanks!
Love the topaz shards, with 5 tau shards i can grant around 2,200 ish hp to a frame and since ive been a zarr main since the war within (?) Its a boom for survival runs
Really miss a small summary section at the end of the video to wrap things up.
tiktok fried your brain if you need a tldw at the end of a 10 minutes video
Crit is very good on mesa, and can allow pure oranges and up to 55% ish chance at reds - assuming prime pistol gambit and a 9x secondary outburst
the topaz shard pairs very well with the cascadia flare arcane, which grants up to 480% increased damage for 10 seconds for applying enough heat procs, so combine the two with a decent crit secondary, you can easily push into high level steel path damage, im personally going to be using yareli for her 200% increased crit chance with pistols, a few of these, cascadia flare on akvasto prime
Did this work out well?
Wouldn't Topaz Shards's health stacking option be useful for the incoming Inaros rework? His abilities will scale with HP instead of standard strength no?
The crit topaz with 2 tauforged shards does have a pretty good effect.
Thermal Sunder harrow gonna go crazy
you've got to have been waiting to use that title lmao
Does the rad buff affect oberons smite infusion augment? I know it additive to element mods but want to make sure before investing
it says abiltiy DMG not strength or anything like that and im pretty sure ken did say that it is not strength and only for the abltiys DMG
can you please do some calculations on parasitic vitality and mutation stacks? pls Im trying to make a build for my specter nidus so I can get tons of health on my inaros (the only reason I play warframe) and need to see how I can max out the health/strength of parasitic link
most of mesa builds are min/maxed with red shards with crit chance on secondaries wouldnt it be good to switch to the topaz ones since its literally double the effect after u get 50 kills basically since u have heat on the regulators usually?
yes
Doesn't Octavia's 1 do blast damage? so, hypothetically she could use rolling guard and 1 topaz shard to keep your shields capped? Still not best in slot, but might be useful?
Yeah, blast really needs a buff doesn't it... I'm sure Pablo gets around to it eventually. I feel like we've been getting more powerful stuff more consistently ever since his promotion.
the topaz heat mode sounds good with kuva nukor with heat
I use 5 tau topazes to replace the crit chance mod on my regulators while still alowing me to go into orange crit terotory as if I had the crit mod and 5 tau red shards. This frees me a slot to use the radiation + fire rate mod which is huge for mesa. Also on other builds with some extra setup I can get into red crit teritory.
Be careful, as I think there is a fire rate cap. You might be wasting slots if you have other buffs, such as from companions.
@@Glamador the log file of the game update interval is tied to your FPS, and that dictates everything from enemy spawm rate to your DPS, so if your FPS is capped to like 60 you'll be doing less dmg than say seome with a new PC who can do 144+ FPS (I recently got an upgrade and oh boy it is Night and day difference)
ur videos are the best i cant wait to solve this practical problem :)
Thanks for this video! I was going to slap 5 tauforged topaz shards on Gauss for the max health on blast but decided to not do that after watching this! (this is obviously joke, Gauss is perhaps not best health user in the game 😅)
Wait so a.mesa with that and a nourish might actually be meta. Thats pretty pog. I was not willing to build toxin on any exalted with just the archon mod. Plus you have to use it on all configs or your slots are dead
How are you feeling about the new Lavos Augment, Kengineer? Do you think it'll be worth running on Lavos? 👀
I made and put two tauforged topaz on mesa, specifically the critical chance and heat effects. I'm still feeling the consequences and it hasn't even been a week since I've done it.
What could they do to make Blast useful? Small AoE and a blanket damage bonus to health against unarmoured and unshielded mobs, maybe? Or maybe swap out Corrosive as the primary anti-infested damage type since it's already got the main armour stripping role?
i run 3 red shards and 2 orange shards all secondary crit and i enjoy a hybrid catabolyst with orange crit beam and red crit grenade.
I could definetely see using the health boost effect on my Hydroid so that I can replace Arcane Blessing
I use topaz shards on my Qorvex. He is built for max range with breach surge over his 3. It enables him to do pretty solid damage to the vast majority of enemies with abilities alone, allowing me to bring weapons specifically modded to combat the few mobs that I cant chain reaction nuke. However outside of this one use case, I agree, they are objectively less powerful than other options. I just main Qorvex, and as such have 0 problems making major investments in him even if I could have seen objectively more benefit using the resources in other ways.
Which perk for topaz do you select?
and curently bonus is not additive but multiplicative so it s not longer provide a red crit by 5 topax tauforges itself its just giving you 2 more primed pistol gambit for your loadout and thats it
I use 3 tau and 1 normal shard on my misa together with ceramic danger and secondary mystic that gives crit rate and crit damage in exchange of melee combo, to reach 201% crit rate
You mean secondary outburst?Still, that’s crazy.
@@lastoflancas yes , I just forgot it's name
Idk where its sits exactly percentage wise, but my crits are pretty much always orange on mesa with 5 tau shards(post proc) and no secondary outburst
Topaz hp buff needs a ui element, hard to tell if youre triggering it or when youre done stacking up
That health buff could be useful for Inaros' upcoming rework.
I actually really like a single blast shard on Hildrin. Keeps you topped off.
Is 4 red tauforged and 1 Topaz the best for Mesa? Or 5 Topaz/5 Reds
5 topaz is more cc
I'm curious about the 1st topaz shard perk: would it work with Octavia's mallet, as it deal blast damage? And if so, would it be even practical?
Yes, but no. Octavia's defense is being generally invisible or convincing enemies to shoot something else, not taking hits herself.
@@TheKengineerBut anyone can use resonator. Isn't that why the shard got nerfed in the first place?
@@Glamadorno because it ignored shield gate and was basically Arcane Aegis on demand
I've got 3 tau topaz and 2 emerald on my mesa once my buffs are built up I can pretty reliably hit reds on regulators not that anything survives more than 2 hits anyway
Also for the insane amount of prerequisites to get fused tau shards they really should return the original crit math on them
This has nothing to do with the video, but you may have the answer.
If I subsume Mind control on Nydus, can I link to it and gain Power strenght?
Pretty sure you can't.
No. You can use mc to troll tho as it removes the link
topaz shard on titnaia with thermal sunder and archon vitality mod. if thermal sunder's heat proc kills enemy, will her 4 gets the crit buff on guns ?
Even if it did the crit increase would be to small to matter
I know that DE wants to make the other elements like radiation, magnetic and explosive viable as it is with corrosive and viral, but those 2 are so good on a lot of situations since corrupted had a lot of armored and shields, and viral is good against any unit except murmur probably
Still, i don't know in which case i will need a topaz and violet shard, not even qorvex need the violet, why violet when you can put a red shard that gives strenght directly?
Violet actually has really solid effects outside of strength though?? The melee crit damage one becomes doubled if you have over 500 max energy, the 10% ability damage on enemies affected by electricity is multiplicative, and the primary electricity damage gives even more electricity damage for every purple red or blue shards on your build and can save you a whole mod slot particularly on shotguns for primed charged shell. Purple is quite conditional but the conditions are very easy to get past. Qorvex might not need a purple on paper, but gyre, wisp, khora, even saryn could benefit a lot from them.
Losing my mind that you went to the trouble of associating Mesa with a topaz shard build and it wasn't the shard that can get her red crits on regulators
Can't wait to learn something crazy and new. Lets see what you've got
Sooo.. is it better 5x red shards or 4x red shards and 1 cc topaz shard?
5 topaz is more cc but if you don't want to heavily invest that much then 1 is fine
I have combined nothing but Topaz shards and i'm currently enjoying my red crits on Mesa, so theres that
surprised you made no mention of tauforged bonuses. the health stacking one is notable because it actually increases your health by 2 per enemy killed, the only case in the game where the tauforged version actually doubles a stat. similarly, the crit chance one is a lot more viable at 75% than 50%. I prefer the tau crit shards on my mesa over the build showcased.
also, still very sad they nerfed the shield one, it used to be so fun :(
So none of the topaz 10% damage from rad affected enemies, emerald's similar effect, or the Violet's similar effect actually help exalted weapons?
That is correct, at least with every exalted weapon I've tested across multiple shards and enemies.
@@TheKengineer would Titania's butterflies still benefit from these effects?
Yu think topaz shards would be better on ember than red shards?(im going for crit) i mean theoretically it should right because EVERY enemy that dies will have heat procs
Id love to see. Oberon set up with 5 topaz radiation shards just to see if his abilities could go anywhere with them
They'd go 50/75% further, for damage only.
If you want to nuke with his abilities, put Coil Horizon over his 1st ability group and use the augment for his 4th. Put down your 2nd ability, group them up and his 4th ability will nuke them.
Still sucks you need the 2nd ability active to armor strip, makes this tactic camping only in practise, and please don't use bright energy colors! The lightshow it causes is not fun to deal with for a squad.
9:30 its worth on Smite cause its %health damage - Ive even done lvlcap with that setup
Tried everything I could think of for the shield on blast effect but it's never worth it. If Protective Sling didn't exist, there could be cases where it's worth running multiple shards.
Wait a minute, Archon Continuity works with Exalted weapons like Valkyr Talons? If that’s a yes, I can just build Valkyr Talons with Toxic damage and with Archon continuity get Corrosive damage?
It causes a corrosive status effect when an ability (including exalteds) land a toxin status. You won't get corrosive damage but will get the armor strip effect.
@@TheKengineer Thank u
Could be decent on Inaros after his rework
I mean, you can technically red crit mesa with some topaz shards (not sure how many you need exactly) + secondary outburst. Is it worth it? Probably not
if your a mesa main its worth it
Unless your base crit chance is more than 50%, orange shards will NEVER be stronger than reds for crits.
Honestly, the worst thing about Topaz shards is what you give up for them. You sacrifice a Crimson AND an Amber shard, both of which have really useful effects no matter your frame. Here's hoping DE at some point looks at the underused effects on some of these shards and touches them up a bit, and maybe gives reasoning for decisions like exalted weapons not working with the ability damage effect on the fused shards.
Sadly i already made 5 topaz for Mesa crit chance
VENANT PRIME
Well the secondary CC is kinda nice on Mesa, I really wish they had left it as an absolute buff and just reduced the numbers, having a 25-50% absolute crit chance buff would be amazing
I blame Kuva Nukor for that TBH. Even if they dropped it to a 5% absolute buff... You can't simply hand 25% crit chance to one of the most used secondaries in the game and not cause a problem.
The problem with the coalescent shards is that in 9 out of 10 cases, their buffs aren't providing anything... new? They're mostly just wasted potential providing the same buffs as the other, less expensive shards, but in a more specific way as a price for a marginally higher payoff... for a system that's already kind of working in the margins of your build usually. And even the unique effects, such as bonus Corrosive procs and Blast-based shield regeneration, come with so many caveats that it becomes extremely questionable, and still requires a specific loadout. The whole Archon Shard mechanic being semi-permanent, requiring a resource that's a pain to farm if you change your mind, means the system having room for things this niche is just... inherently stupid? Because why would I slot in a shard that sometimes, using certain weapons, in certain missions, eventually, might be better at providing max health than just using an azure shard, when I can just use an azure shard? It feels like a waste and I hope they revisit them eventually... unless it was actually the design intent to make me not necessarily want to give up my rare weekly shards to make fusions, in which case, uh... good job, DE? I guess? You made me not want to engage with the coalescence system.
Topaz shard because red and yellow need to combine too. If not for the nerf topaz feels most like an afterthought.
Topaz shard surge oberon is whacky, i just wish the rad dmg was 20% instead of 10 per shard, maybe 25.
And to think that this shard, on release, was probably the most broken one out of the rest, mainly because of bugs tho
We've gone from shard use enabling a niche build to a niche build enabling shard use.
I would use blast if the status proc spreads status and damage making single target weapons do radial damage. Instead reduces accuracy and does less damage to ferrite, great.
I used 5 topaz CC On ocucor 😂
Why do you put a pic of mesa about to shoot banshee in all your video intros?
It's an old thumbnail (all of them are). I've never got around to updating it
TLDR - topaz shards are simply not as useful as either azure or crimson or amber shards atm
So DE screwed up and also augur set don't regenerate shields when you have immunity...
This is awful... i had so many issues with my vauban because of this...
Forcing me to use blast for health in a shard? I’d rather use the arcane that turns health orbs into health. That at least gives more health overall, doesn’t need specific setups just to make function, and doesn’t require resources to take off when I want to
It looks to me that the only Frames that could get any _real_ benefit from Topaz Shards are Ember and Qorvex. And even then, they probably have better Shards to use in the other colors.