I was very impressed by this review. That seems like a really cool option, with dual calibers. The ammo on the .22 TCM is reasonably priced, and the fact that Armscor reloads the ammo for a reduced price... and it's a reasonably priced 1911 (although not .45, oh well). This just showed up on my wish list.
I have this 22tcm/9mm pistol as well. I also bought a .38 super comp barrel and with minimal fitting got that to work as well. Actually, it seems to work even better than the 9mm or 22tcm barrels. Just use the 9mm spring and you are good to go! Love this pistol!!
For 40 years I carried a Colt 45acp 1911. Earlier this year I bought a RIA 1911 A-1, 22TCM/9R, and I love it. In the 1990’s I bought my son-in-law a RIA 45acp 1911, which he liked, but I wouldn’t have bought it for myself due to the fit and finish. 2020, pistols are a different animal. The fit and finish is second to none, plus RIA (ARMSCOR) put a new logo on the pistol which isn’t the huge billboard that was on previous models. My local gun shop carries plenty of ARMSCOR ammo and at a great price. 100 rounds of TCM ammo for $29.00.
I came back to watch this again...great job, sootch00! I have had mine now since watching this the first time and luv' the way it shoots!! Great fun and a great gun to have fun with!
Thank you for the review. Earlier today I asked Mrgunsngear about a review of this handgun and he pointed me your way. It answered all of the questions I had about the weapon itself, the TCM cartridge, and how RIA worked the 9mm into the package. Subscribed.
Well after coming out from under my rock this past weekend I met with the guys from Rock Island at the NRA convention in Nashville and was informed of the 22 TCM for the first time (I know I'm late, I said I was under a rock). After hearing about the performance of the round and the fact that it came with a 9mm barrell as well all for around a $600 price mark. I was sold. Most of the information given came not from a Rock Island rep but from an enthusiast in the crowd that was passing by. Awesome firearm!
I recently discovered the 22tcm oddly enough after several years of being a firearms person. This vid is one of the best reviews out there on this gun and ... now I want one. Very cool gun.
I've been pretty impressed with Rock Island Armory products. I bought my first RIA a couple years ago - it is their .45acp 1911 "tactical" model. Was very impressed with how tightly all the parts fit and even more impressed with how accurate it was. It definitely gives my Kimber 1911 a run for its money for accuracy. I sent my RIA 1911 to Nevada and had their gunsmith Arnel install Trijicon sights, as well as give my gun a match grade trigger job. I've had 100% reliability with my RIA 1911.
Great video!!! I have a RIA .45acp and absolutely love it. I'm gonna have to get a RIA 22tcm/9mm now after seeing your review. I've been looking at glocks and sigs but have not been satisfied with the look and feel of either. I love the 1911 and how durable they are. Thanks for the great review!!
I’ve always been a 1911 fanboy. Mine are all 45 APC. Never shot one in 9mm but have always wanted to. I think it his will be my next handgun purchase. 2 calibers in 1 gun, what a great deal!! Love the fireball from the 22 TCM and 2000+ FPC, WOW what more can you ask for??!! Thanks for the review.
I have the tactical version, light rail, fiber optic sights, fantastic grips, 10 round mags (comes with 2 mags and a load assist), and LOVE this pistol! All you said and more is true. A 9mm PLUS the 22TCM in a high quality 1911 format for about $650. Are you KIDDING me? Best value in the market! Two things to add:The reloading of spent brass program was discontinued some time ago. I'm just guessing but I think they offered that as an inducement to try the round and get it out into the market. But they don't do it anymore, so don't expect to get that deal. But it is correct that a box of 50 rounds can be had now in the $18 - $20 range, all you want.Second, if you get the pistol and like the 22TCM, they also make a wonderful bolt action rifle chambered for it. Beautiful rifle, well checkered, Schnabel front end, 5 round box mag, hardwood stock. MSRP is only $460 and it can be bought around $375 or so. The Gallery of Guns item number is 51108 - but good luck finding one. A scare rifle, bought as soon as they appear. But if you have both, go to the range with the pistol and the rifle in tow, have a great day shooting all sorts of targets. Your face will hurt from all the grinning you'll do. Other shooters will appear from nowhere to see what is causing all that sound and fury and muzzle blast ring. And maybe best of all, your hand and shoulder won't be sore at all.Think about it - own a quality 1911 - 2 of them, really - and a beautiful bolt action rifle, all for $1,000. How you gonna beat that?
Follow up to my previous comment. Ivan at armscor listened to my problems with the 22tcm and took charge of it. He went above and beyond anything I could expect. He made is making it right. If he follows through as well as he has been so far I would recommend this company to anyone.
Interesting. My wife and I just came across this caliber the other day when looking for 22 mag and wondered what gun it was for. Thanks for the great review on it.
I bought a new 9mm-22TCM blued and loved shooting the 22TCM for $25 per 50 rounds in Tennessee. But it jammed every full magazine even after 200 rounds. Seller said it was a common problem and sold me two new Wilson Combat mags for $50 each. They worked perfectly but I was so aggravated with the factory Rock Island single stack mags I immediately traded off that gun.
What a shame. Great round when it works. RIA Armscor need to support it better. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Great info on this 1911. I have been looking at a few dealers that carry this in my area and some of the user reviews state that you have to also change the extractor when you convert the barrel and spring to 9mm. Some say this is correct and others stated theirs only came with 1 extractor marked 22TCM and it works for both calibers. All said the pistol and caliber kicks ass.
yes, this pistol comes with 2 extractors 1 for 22 TCM and 1 form 9 mm but you can use either on both calibers. When my 22 extractor broke (under 100 rounds) I used the 9 mm extractor. Everything I stated in my comment happened to me at the first range day. I wish this pistol had better quality control because I lover the 22 TCM round.
@@gilbertmiller2491 Good feedback. They need to support it better and improve QC. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Great vid Sootch. I have to say that even though the .22 TCM round is entertaining and looking at the velocity - wow is the best word that comes to mind. However, the most impressive aspect of this 1911 is that it comes with a 9mm barrel. I know that a lot of companies are making 9mm for the 1911, however, they usually charge an arm and a leg. Needless to say, I would end up switching the barrel out and not looking back. Great vid and thanks for the info - I'll keep my eyes out for one!
Man I want that gun so bad!! California blows!! I have a RIA 5" .45 and it is a Fantastic Gun!! Great company, great product, great customer service, and lifetime warranty. Rock On!
The TCM round was derived from a .223 not 9mm. Fred Craig (the C in TCM) worked with Armscor to develop the round and the story of its development can be found at his Atomitronix website.
Wow, the 9mm conversion is a huge selling point. Your group was amazing, and the performance sounds most impressive. I wouldn't buy a 1911 45 ACP, but I would consider this.
the TCM was designed by Demetrio “Bolo” Tuason. sootch you made my country proud. You made other people who once doubted Filipino Products as crap, has gone world class
I recently purchased this pistol,had a couple of problems during the first 50 rounds.Often it would not extract the fired shell and a few times the mag would not lock into place.Also it came with a 9mm extractor to be changed along with the barrel and spring.None of the video instructions say anything about changing the extractor.
Look on here at .22TCM reloading, there is detailed info on reloading using shortened 223 brass, the dies are now available from Fred Craig to do it all apparently. Very interesting round, type in .22TCM Watermelon to see comparrisons with other calibres.
They make a carbine and rifle im not sure if Rock Island makes em or its another company u cud also pop to your local gun Smith and get a.. 22tcm barrel and breech fitted to whatever carbine you want its easy any gun Smith can re caliber bolt action stuff in there sleep lol
That is a strange one. The 9mm conversion, decent price of ammo, and Armscor reloading the brass for you, I like it. I will have to look into getting one.
On .22TCM: is there anywhere I can learn more about this cartridge? What do you think about it? It seems like a pretty legitimate choice, considering that it's center fire instead of rim fire.
It's fun and good 'pistol caliber'. Parent case is 223 rem, good for reloading. Low/no recoil in a 1911 pistol but you get fireballs. There's the M22 bolt action rifle, some had QC issues and bad barrels. The AR Guy Custom Solutions makes a 16" carbine AR. It's a good cartridge. But RIA Armscor need to support it better. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html 22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
Great video but just wanted to add my $.02! The combo 22TCM/9mm comes with a 7lb/12lb spring along with both barrels and an additional extractor. The extractor needs to be changed when swapping over to 9mm. I have talked to several reliable sources and all have informed me that ARMSCOR/Rock island will be discontinuing the 22 TCM/9mm combo due to many issues of people not swapping/forgetting to change springs, etc.... They will continue to make the 22 TCM but are going to stop the combo A2's stateside, so scoop one up if you run across one. I bought 2 and absolutely love them! Been a lot of fun load developing and if anyone has heard different please chime in! Stay safe and happy shooting!
Thank you Sir, for reviewing this pistol! I never would have heard of it if it weren't for you. Now I want one: That price point for the gun and ammo is affordable. Thanks again; very good video!
$800 For a .22 Pistol??? Well, some people have extra money to throw away. I paid $250 for a Tokarev TT 7.62x25. Hot Round and super reliable with stopping power. ⭐️⭐️
Good points. Parent case is 223 rem. Good for reloading. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html 22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
Picked up my RIA 22TCM yesterday. Didn't have any 22TCM ammo so figured I'd put the 9MM barrel in and shoot that. It was a breeze switching out the barrel and spring...BUT......then I read in the literature that came with the pistol: " WHEN INSTALLING THE 9MM CONVERSION, YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE A QUALIFIED PERSON TO INTALL THE 9MM EXTRACTOR, AS IT REQUIRES SOME SPECIALIZED TECHNIQUE TO REMOVE THE TCM EXTRACTOR, AND TO SET THE TENSION OF THE 9MM EXTRACTOR IN YOUR SLIDE." What' up with that??!!
My RI 1911 A1 has been an amazing pistol. It has around 15,000 round through it and it's running better than ever. Add a Pachmyer grip, and your set for less than $450. Can't beat it.
I'm just nodding my head in agreement this whole vid. I'm a new FOID card holder in IL. I just put a down payment on a used Llama .32ACP. Now I know what my next auto loader will be. I didn't want to spend the big bucks until I was sure. Thanks . Good vid! This 1911 is very practical.
Be careful! The demoncraps left will not like it hearing God bless America. It irritates their ears just like the devils who don't want to hear prayers.
It's always great to hear you say...."Be strong. Be of good courage. God Bless America. Long live the Republic!" Rock Island Armory rocks!!!! Nice video. Thanks for sharing.
Actually the term 2011 was coined to refer to the wide-bodied 1911 styled pistols. I had one of the first ones out there by Chip McCormick if I recall correctly. They are also made or have been made by STI and SVI over the past number of years. Also, Para-Ordnance has their own proprietary version which is the P series. I have a P-14 .45 which is a great gun in a classic caliber with a lot of rounds for a .45 ACP pistol. I hope that helps.
Don't let that scare you. The extractor is easy to remove. Remove the firing pin stop. Gently tap out the extractor and tap in the other one. I found that my 22 TCM extractor worked great for 9mm so I leave it in.
Para mags don't work in mine with the .22 TCM but they're OK with 9mm. I'd stay with the Mec Gars that come with it. You should show the extractor swap- it's a little tricky at first.
I think I'm starting to like the potential of this gun. First I love multi calibers, the penetration is excellent with the 22 and with the light spring my wife will be able to rack the slide,
Great review sootch! I am seriously looking at this pistol. I didn't wasn't sure that the para mags worked with this gun or not. You might have just cost me another $650.00! LOL. Thanks for the great vid sir! God bless.
you CANNOT use stock Para mags with this gun. It is the same mag but the feed lips have been modified. Because of the longer overall length of the TCM the feed lips have been cut back to allow an earlier release of the cartridge.
That is awesome, I am very excited about that pistol and cartridge combination. Have to have one! Great video, going straight to the "favorites" Thanks.
Would the .22 TCM work in a single stack gun with the same barrel ad recoil spring change? Or is there something proprietary about this gun? Also, it would be interesting to compare it to 5.7x28.
I wonder if one could reload the TCM shell with a fmj .223...... or even a green tip LAP bullet lol. I think I would try one of these pistols over a FN 5.7
Theres several selling points on this gun one that badass little 22TCM round..I know availability is kinda hit or miss but wait you can change the barrel and recoil spring and still shoot.I'd like to see someone do that with the more expensive 5.7? The3 down side is they only come with one factory mag.:(
22TCM in 1911 pistol has low/no recoil compared to 9mm. Just the action cycling. But it's loud and makes a fireball. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
22TCM is more powerful, and parent case is 223 rem. Good for reloading. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html 22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
If they put a little R&D and updated the 7.62x25 they could have much the same ballistics plus the ability to shoot cheap surplus ammo. Nice gun but who needs another pricier hard to find ammo to buy.
I hope this review was for the Rock Island 51687 Just ordered one today. $464 including shipping. hope I like it! I have the Match 5" 45 Rock Island. wanted less recoil and cheaper practice so I figure 9mm. maybe try to set off tannerite with 22 tcm handload. lol
Actually a .22TCM is a necked down .223/5.56x45. If you hold a .22TCM and a 9mm together the .22TCM case is longer. This is for the reloaders out there.
Yes exactly! The AR Guy Custom Solutions makes 22TCM 16" carbine AR. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
now they need a 22lr conversion for this Pistol. I have this same one and I love it. I have had some problems with the hang up's and casing splits were it hold the round. might need a new barrel since I have used it a lot. but to get a slide and a mage to fix this double stack would be great and also 25 round mags. so I can shot for days on the cheap. Because the 22TCM's are a bit expensive. I have found Full metal 22 TCM's and it will go though 1/4 in steal like butter.
Is the recoil impulse comparable to the 22lr? Or closer to a 9mm? I already have a 1911 chambered in 22lr and if they have similar recoil impulses I can do the bulk of my training with the 22lr And save a whole lot of money
Recoil out of a 1911 is similar to 22lr. No/low recoil. More the action cycling. You will get a fireball though. Parent case is 223 rem, good for reloading. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I was very impressed by this review. That seems like a really cool option, with dual calibers. The ammo on the .22 TCM is reasonably priced, and the fact that Armscor reloads the ammo for a reduced price... and it's a reasonably priced 1911 (although not .45, oh well). This just showed up on my wish list.
I have this 22tcm/9mm pistol as well. I also bought a .38 super comp barrel and with minimal fitting got that to work as well. Actually, it seems to work even better than the 9mm or 22tcm barrels. Just use the 9mm spring and you are good to go!
Love this pistol!!
Forgot to add that you can also fire the 22tcm9r ammo through this gun as well!
You might find this helpful. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I tried one of these today. LOVED it!!! very accurate, ZERO failures and lots of fun!!!
For 40 years I carried a Colt 45acp 1911. Earlier this year I bought a RIA 1911 A-1, 22TCM/9R, and I love it. In the 1990’s I bought my son-in-law a RIA 45acp 1911, which he liked, but I wouldn’t have bought it for myself due to the fit and finish. 2020, pistols are a different animal. The fit and finish is second to none, plus RIA (ARMSCOR) put a new logo on the pistol which isn’t the huge billboard that was on previous models. My local gun shop carries plenty of ARMSCOR ammo and at a great price. 100 rounds of TCM ammo for $29.00.
Hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I came back to watch this again...great job, sootch00! I have had mine now since watching this the first time and luv' the way it shoots!! Great fun and a great gun to have fun with!
Thank you for the review. Earlier today I asked Mrgunsngear about a review of this handgun and he pointed me your way. It answered all of the questions I had about the weapon itself, the TCM cartridge, and how RIA worked the 9mm into the package. Subscribed.
Well after coming out from under my rock this past weekend I met with the guys from Rock Island at the NRA convention in Nashville and was informed of the 22 TCM for the first time (I know I'm late, I said I was under a rock). After hearing about the performance of the round and the fact that it came with a 9mm barrell as well all for around a $600 price mark. I was sold. Most of the information given came not from a Rock Island rep but from an enthusiast in the crowd that was passing by. Awesome firearm!
Might find this helpful. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I recently discovered the 22tcm oddly enough after several years of being a firearms person. This vid is one of the best reviews out there on this gun and ... now I want one. Very cool gun.
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nice to see your review in that gun the rock island armory is the number 1 gun producer here in the philippines=)
Yes RIA Armscor make good stuff. Used their guns and ammo in Philippines.
I've been pretty impressed with Rock Island Armory products. I bought my first RIA a couple years ago - it is their .45acp 1911 "tactical" model. Was very impressed with how tightly all the parts fit and even more impressed with how accurate it was. It definitely gives my Kimber 1911 a run for its money for accuracy. I sent my RIA 1911 to Nevada and had their gunsmith Arnel install Trijicon sights, as well as give my gun a match grade trigger job. I've had 100% reliability with my RIA 1911.
Great video!!! I have a RIA .45acp and absolutely love it. I'm gonna have to get a RIA 22tcm/9mm
now after seeing your review. I've been looking at glocks and sigs but have not been satisfied with the look and feel of either. I love the 1911 and how durable they are. Thanks for the great review!!
I’ve always been a 1911 fanboy. Mine are all 45 APC. Never shot one in 9mm but have always wanted to. I think it his will be my next handgun purchase. 2 calibers in 1 gun, what a great deal!! Love the fireball from the 22 TCM and 2000+ FPC, WOW what more can you ask for??!!
Thanks for the review.
I have the tactical version, light rail, fiber optic sights, fantastic grips, 10 round mags (comes with 2 mags and a load assist), and LOVE this pistol! All you said and more is true. A 9mm PLUS the 22TCM in a high quality 1911 format for about $650. Are you KIDDING me? Best value in the market! Two things to add:The reloading of spent brass program was discontinued some time ago. I'm just guessing but I think they offered that as an inducement to try the round and get it out into the market. But they don't do it anymore, so don't expect to get that deal. But it is correct that a box of 50 rounds can be had now in the $18 - $20 range, all you want.Second, if you get the pistol and like the 22TCM, they also make a wonderful bolt action rifle chambered for it. Beautiful rifle, well checkered, Schnabel front end, 5 round box mag, hardwood stock. MSRP is only $460 and it can be bought around $375 or so. The Gallery of Guns item number is 51108 - but good luck finding one. A scare rifle, bought as soon as they appear. But if you have both, go to the range with the pistol and the rifle in tow, have a great day shooting all sorts of targets. Your face will hurt from all the grinning you'll do. Other shooters will appear from nowhere to see what is causing all that sound and fury and muzzle blast ring. And maybe best of all, your hand and shoulder won't be sore at all.Think about it - own a quality 1911 - 2 of them, really - and a beautiful bolt action rifle, all for $1,000. How you gonna beat that?
All good points. You might find this helpful. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Great video sootch, Rockland has made 1911 forever a great company,thank you and God bless you !!!
Follow up to my previous comment. Ivan at armscor listened to my problems with the 22tcm and took charge of it. He went above and beyond anything I could expect. He made is making it right. If he follows through as well as he has been so far I would recommend this company to anyone.
Hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I heard about this one awhile back, but this is the first T&E vid I've seen. Interesting cartridge, and a good vid. Thanks, Sootch!
That's amazing! Never knew of such a round! Cool review sootch!!
Interesting. My wife and I just came across this caliber the other day when looking for 22 mag and wondered what gun it was for. Thanks for the great review on it.
Nice and factual as always! Been wanting to get one of these myself as the dual shootability is the way to go! Thanks for the input!
I bought a new 9mm-22TCM blued and loved shooting the 22TCM for $25 per 50 rounds in Tennessee. But it jammed every full magazine even after 200 rounds. Seller said it was a common problem and sold me two new Wilson Combat mags for $50 each. They worked perfectly but I was so aggravated with the factory Rock Island single stack mags I immediately traded off that gun.
I mean Rock Island on the factory mags.
What a shame. Great round when it works. RIA Armscor need to support it better. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Great info on this 1911. I have been looking at a few dealers that carry this in my area and some of the user reviews state that you have to also change the extractor when you convert the barrel and spring to 9mm. Some say this is correct and others stated theirs only came with 1 extractor marked 22TCM and it works for both calibers. All said the pistol and caliber kicks ass.
yes, this pistol comes with 2 extractors 1 for 22 TCM and 1 form 9 mm but you can use either on both calibers. When my 22 extractor broke (under 100 rounds) I used the 9 mm extractor. Everything I stated in my comment happened to me at the first range day. I wish this pistol had better quality control because I lover the 22 TCM round.
New examples come with only one extractor.
@@gilbertmiller2491 Good feedback. They need to support it better and improve QC. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Was tested against soft body armor that is specifically used to stop pistol caliber rounds and the 22 TCM defeated it !!!
Really interesting calibre going to find out more about it now. Great idea having the 9mm combo!
Great vid Sootch. I have to say that even though the .22 TCM round is entertaining and looking at the velocity - wow is the best word that comes to mind. However, the most impressive aspect of this 1911 is that it comes with a 9mm barrel. I know that a lot of companies are making 9mm for the 1911, however, they usually charge an arm and a leg. Needless to say, I would end up switching the barrel out and not looking back. Great vid and thanks for the info - I'll keep my eyes out for one!
Gorgeous gun, love the 1911 style.
the closeup at "smile and wait for the flash" is incredible!!!!
I love rock island and i love 1911 they have really good custmer sevice as well i own 3 every size 1911
Man I want that gun so bad!! California blows!! I have a RIA 5" .45 and it is a Fantastic Gun!! Great company, great product, great customer service, and lifetime warranty. Rock On!
Had to have one. Very fun shooting. Always gets attention at the range. 1500 to 2000 rounds and not one issue
Yes they're fun. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I have heard excellent reviews on the RIA .45 ACP 1911 right up there in accuracy with Kimbers and Springfields but at half the prices.
The TCM round was derived from a .223 not 9mm. Fred Craig (the C in TCM) worked with Armscor to develop the round and the story of its development can be found at his Atomitronix website.
Yes parent case is 223 rem, good for reloading. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I'm primarily a glock guy but to be honest this thing has grabbed my attention since the first time I saw it
Wow, the 9mm conversion is a huge selling point. Your group was amazing, and the performance sounds most impressive. I wouldn't buy a 1911 45 ACP, but I would consider this.
yup .45 is just a lil anemic imo. if i got a 45 i would only use underwood +p ammo. i also like there 10mm in this gun with 16+1 rounds
looks like a excellent package thanks for info Sootch00
the TCM was designed by Demetrio “Bolo” Tuason.
sootch you made my country proud.
You made other people who once doubted Filipino Products as crap, has gone world class
Yes and parent case is 223 rem. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I recently purchased this pistol,had a couple of problems during the first 50 rounds.Often it would not extract the fired shell and a few times the mag would not lock into place.Also it came with a 9mm extractor to be changed along with the barrel and spring.None of the video instructions say anything about changing the extractor.
RIA Armscor needs to support it better. Hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Look on here at .22TCM reloading, there is detailed info on reloading using shortened 223 brass, the dies are now available from Fred Craig to do it all apparently. Very interesting round, type in .22TCM Watermelon to see comparrisons with other calibres.
Yes parent case is 223 rem. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
That is a funky round but if it was less expensive and more common I would like to see a carbine with this caliber!
They make a carbine and rifle im not sure if Rock Island makes em or its another company u cud also pop to your local gun Smith and get a.. 22tcm barrel and breech fitted to whatever carbine you want its easy any gun Smith can re caliber bolt action stuff in there sleep lol
Awesome montage! This is a quality video
I used to think RIA was a cheap made pistol but after I bought mine TCM I did not think that.Welk made a d good prices.This is one fast bullet
Hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Need one now . Great weapon .
Thanks for your help with all the videos that you been showing I learned a lot about safety and repair and gun control thank you
This calibre blew my mind! I just got off the phone with my local gun dealer and I have one ordered right now;)...
Hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
That is a strange one. The 9mm conversion, decent price of ammo, and Armscor reloading the brass for you, I like it. I will have to look into getting one.
Great vid - yes, I will be getting one of these...!
On .22TCM: is there anywhere I can learn more about this cartridge? What do you think about it? It seems like a pretty legitimate choice, considering that it's center fire instead of rim fire.
It's fun and good 'pistol caliber'. Parent case is 223 rem, good for reloading. Low/no recoil in a 1911 pistol but you get fireballs. There's the M22 bolt action rifle, some had QC issues and bad barrels. The AR Guy Custom Solutions makes a 16" carbine AR. It's a good cartridge. But RIA Armscor need to support it better.
22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
Great video but just wanted to add my $.02! The combo 22TCM/9mm comes with a 7lb/12lb spring along with both barrels and an additional extractor. The extractor needs to be changed when swapping over to 9mm. I have talked to several reliable sources and all have informed me that ARMSCOR/Rock island will be discontinuing the 22 TCM/9mm combo due to many issues of people not swapping/forgetting to change springs, etc.... They will continue to make the 22 TCM but are going to stop the combo A2's stateside, so scoop one up if you run across one. I bought 2 and absolutely love them! Been a lot of fun load developing and if anyone has heard different please chime in! Stay safe and happy shooting!
Thank you Sir, for reviewing this pistol! I never would have heard of it if it weren't for you. Now I want one: That price point for the gun and ammo is affordable. Thanks again; very good video!
$800 For a .22 Pistol???
Well, some people have extra money to throw away. I paid $250 for a Tokarev TT 7.62x25. Hot Round and super reliable with stopping power. ⭐️⭐️
Calling this just a 22 is like calling an AR-15 5.56 just a 22
Good points. Parent case is 223 rem. Good for reloading. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
Picked up my RIA 22TCM yesterday. Didn't have any 22TCM ammo so figured I'd put the 9MM barrel in and shoot that. It was a breeze switching out the barrel and spring...BUT......then I read in the literature that came with the pistol: " WHEN INSTALLING THE 9MM CONVERSION, YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE A QUALIFIED PERSON TO INTALL THE 9MM EXTRACTOR, AS IT REQUIRES SOME SPECIALIZED TECHNIQUE TO REMOVE THE TCM EXTRACTOR, AND TO SET THE TENSION OF THE 9MM EXTRACTOR IN YOUR SLIDE." What' up with that??!!
Hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
What an awesome 9mm/22TCM combination, ...on a 1911 platform yet! Just outstanding!
My RI 1911 A1 has been an amazing pistol. It has around 15,000 round through it and it's running better than ever. Add a Pachmyer grip, and your set for less than $450. Can't beat it.
I'm just nodding my head in agreement this whole vid. I'm a new FOID card holder in IL. I just put a down payment on a used Llama .32ACP. Now I know what my next auto loader will be. I didn't want to spend the big bucks until I was sure. Thanks . Good vid! This 1911 is very practical.
"God Bless America, Long Live the Republic"
COOL :)
Be careful! The demoncraps left will not like it hearing God bless America. It irritates their ears just like the devils who don't want to hear prayers.
you should make a video " if you can " of the best 1911 under 1000 bucks by the way great video thanks for posting
Best video ever on the Rock Island I am going to see if my local gun shop has them
It looks like good Platform to train my Grade School Grandchildren on the 1945 Pattern inexpensively.
TY for the demo.
We've basicly had that for a long time now in the Browning Hi Power.
Yes a Browning 9mm pistol. 22TCM is a different cartridge. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
With the fireball from the 22 TCM, you can shoot and barbecue the bad guys at the same time !!!
I have really been wondering about that gun. Thanks for the video. I'd love to get one sometime.
It's always great to hear you say...."Be strong. Be of good courage. God Bless America. Long live the Republic!" Rock Island Armory rocks!!!! Nice video. Thanks for sharing.
Nice if they could put a color code paint on the recoil spring to avoid interchanging.
Actually the term 2011 was coined to refer to the wide-bodied 1911 styled pistols. I had one of the first ones out there by Chip McCormick if I recall correctly. They are also made or have been made by STI and SVI over the past number of years. Also, Para-Ordnance has their own proprietary version which is the P series. I have a P-14 .45 which is a great gun in a classic caliber with a lot of rounds for a .45 ACP pistol. I hope that helps.
Wow! I'd never even heard if this round. I really hope it takes off! Seems like it would be a great outdoorsman round.
Excellent review!
I am buying one! TY for the review. Great presentation!
Don't let that scare you. The extractor is easy to remove. Remove the firing pin stop. Gently tap out the extractor and tap in the other one. I found that my 22 TCM extractor worked great for 9mm so I leave it in.
Might find this helpful. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Para mags don't work in mine with the .22 TCM but they're OK with 9mm. I'd stay with the Mec Gars that come with it. You should show the extractor swap- it's a little tricky at first.
Might find this helpful. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I think I'm starting to like the potential of this gun. First I love multi calibers, the penetration is excellent with the 22 and with the light spring my wife will be able to rack the slide,
how does the OAL of the tcm round compare to the length of a 7.62x25 tok round?
22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
Great review sootch! I am seriously looking at this pistol. I didn't wasn't sure that the para mags worked with this gun or not. You might have just cost me another $650.00! LOL. Thanks for the great vid sir! God bless.
you CANNOT use stock Para mags with this gun. It is the same mag but the feed lips have been modified. Because of the longer overall length of the TCM the feed lips have been cut back to allow an earlier release of the cartridge.
Good feedback. RIA Armscor needs to support it better. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
That is awesome, I am very excited about that pistol and cartridge combination. Have to have one! Great video, going straight to the "favorites" Thanks.
Wow! What a crazy round I've never heard of.
Any idea if reloading componets and dies are available for the .22 TCM?
Yes, hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Damn, I thought I had my gun to get next list complete. Now I have to add this one. Thanks Sootch!
Very Neat presentation! Congratulations Sootch..
I will sootch and thanks for getting back with me. Talk to you soon.
As soon as the video started I didn't even have to see your face. Thank you for the review of the TCM 22 by armscore
Would the .22 TCM work in a single stack gun with the same barrel ad recoil spring change? Or is there something proprietary about this gun? Also, it would be interesting to compare it to 5.7x28.
22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
Interesting cartridge. I wonder how it compares to the 5.7x28?
22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
I wonder if one could reload the TCM shell with a fmj .223...... or even a green tip LAP bullet lol. I think I would try one of these pistols over a FN 5.7
Yes you can. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
I love your videos, very informative, and not smug. I definitely like the .22 TCM concept, thank you for the review.
First time I hear about this caliber that is amazing it's like a 556 short. Looks stronger than the five seven. Amazing.
It does better than a 5.7
22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
that looks like an excelent coyote/pest animal hunting pistol set up! looks like lots of fun!
Fine review of a great looking handgun. Thank you for sharing.
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Theres several selling points on this gun one that badass little 22TCM round..I know availability is kinda hit or miss but wait you can change the barrel and recoil spring and still shoot.I'd like to see someone do that with the more expensive 5.7? The3 down side is they only come with one factory mag.:(
RIA Armscor need to support it better. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
So is the 22TCM recoil noticeably less than the 9mm or are they the same???
22TCM in 1911 pistol has low/no recoil compared to 9mm. Just the action cycling. But it's loud and makes a fireball. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Also takes Para Ordnance wide body mags...excellent !
I have heard great thing about rock island!!!
What's a better overall round: A 22 TCM or a 5.7 (FN's flagship round)?
22TCM is more powerful, and parent case is 223 rem. Good for reloading.
22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
22TCM vs 5.7x28 vs 7.62x25 comparison th-cam.com/video/vLCsQkEL9eQ/w-d-xo.html
If they put a little R&D and updated the 7.62x25 they could have much the same ballistics plus the ability to shoot cheap surplus ammo. Nice gun but who needs another pricier hard to find ammo to buy.
Incredible!!! Truly it is.
That is a pretty sweet pistol. The ability to have a common caliber and magazine does not make you second guess the 22. cal part.
I hope this review was for the Rock Island 51687 Just ordered one today. $464 including shipping. hope I like it! I have the Match 5" 45 Rock Island. wanted less recoil and cheaper practice so I figure 9mm. maybe try to set off tannerite with 22 tcm handload. lol
Parent case is 223 rem. Good for reloading. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Actually a .22TCM is a necked down .223/5.56x45. If you hold a .22TCM and a 9mm together the .22TCM case is longer. This is for the reloaders out there.
Not true. The .22 TCM uses a different rim and extractor groove on the case. It has its own case with no true parent case.
True but It's more similar to a .223/5.56.
I have made .22TCMs out of .223/5.56 and they work great.
Yes parent case is 223 rem. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Ive seen the numbers on that 22 TCM...almost a pocket AR...that round in a submachinegun would be the bees knees....
Yes exactly! The AR Guy Custom Solutions makes 22TCM 16" carbine AR. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
now they need a 22lr conversion for this Pistol. I have this same one and I love it. I have had some problems with the hang up's and casing splits were it hold the round. might need a new barrel since I have used it a lot. but to get a slide and a mage to fix this double stack would be great and also 25 round mags. so I can shot for days on the cheap. Because the 22TCM's are a bit expensive. I have found Full metal 22 TCM's and it will go though 1/4 in steal like butter.
Hope this helps. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html
Is the recoil impulse comparable to the 22lr? Or closer to a 9mm? I already have a 1911 chambered in 22lr and if they have similar recoil impulses I can do the bulk of my training with the 22lr And save a whole lot of money
Recoil out of a 1911 is similar to 22lr. No/low recoil. More the action cycling. You will get a fireball though. Parent case is 223 rem, good for reloading. 22TCM 9R Improved, forming 223 cases (5.56x24mm) th-cam.com/video/eYvCvHMBP-U/w-d-xo.html