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- Classic Sonic has been around for far too long. Since his debut in Sonic Generations back in 2011, it seems that what was once a nice callback has now become a major cash-grab for Sonic Team and SEGA. So, shall I ask: is there too much Classic Sonic now?
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Classic Sonic. He is someting that's for sure.
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I don’t like how they treat classic sonic and modern sonic as different entities, going as far as to separate them in 2d and 3d. Despite them being the same character, they act nothing alike and keep trying to push this “cutesy” cassic sonic and “cool dude” modern sonic. It’s just not believable that the same sonic that defeated multiple gods used to be this cute and cuddly mickey mouse rip off. They tried to distinguish them with the dimensions thing but that just contradicts generations. I wish sega would explore this different timeline more and flesh out this new world that classic sonic now lives in.
@@Llamations-wh8fqit doesn't contradict generations after generations it created a split in the timeline where Classic Sonic is now his own person instead of younger Sonic, so him coming from a different dimension make sense because timelines count as dimensions
From a marketing standpoint, I get it. They split the two so there's more to present for Sonic, but there needs to be proper execution which is why we have this argument with Classic Sonic.
@@silverwalker2934 Good point, but i doubt sonic team would do anything to make him stand out as his own person other than making all his games 2d.
Forgot Team Sonic Racing
The thing is Sega has stated that they want to make games for modern fans and classic fans. It would be unfair to the classic fans to just pull away classic games. I feel like people's problem with classic was that it just wasn't executed well in the modern games. I have zero problems if they make another classic game but it's actually of good quality which is what we're getting with Superstars. I say this as a modern fan.
Honestly that's absolutely fair and hopefully this is what Superstars does but so far? His track record isn't great right now
Sorry, but if Superstars was the exact same game but featured the characters in their modern designs, then what would truly be the issue? If the Classic fans only complaint is "WAAAHH, I DON'T LIKE THAT STINKY GREEN EYED SONIC" then do these kinds of whiners deserve to be catered to? That kind of whiney attitude is what created this Classic and Modern divide in the first place, and honestly it's done more harm to the franchise (and the fan base for that matter) than good.
@@bowmaj8666Bullshit lol classic literally saved this franchise
@@BrianycusTrack record is pristine on classic end what are you talking about
@@Aacezay So the games weren't saved because of decent gameplay and better programming, it's all down to Sonic's eye colour? Sonic having black eyes and a round belly "saved the franchise!" Give me a break!
Put it into perspective, if someone who didn't know sonic past the original trilogy, if they see this modern sonic instead of the cutesy sonic, would they assume it would be a 3d Adventure or Sonic Frontiers. SEGA have intentionally made two fan bases and allowed general consumers to discern 2d esc games from the 3d games,really smartly.
But you can still have people fall in love with Classic Sonic if you do a 3D platformer with them too. It doesn't have to be exclusive is what I'm saying.
@@BrianycusI know what you mean, but I think right now they need to just set a standard of quality before mixing up and experimenting.
@@Brianycus Personally, I think it's best to not put classic in 3d, every appearance (besides 3d blast but like no thanks) of him has been played in a 2d sphere and putting Classic in 2d is pretty contradictory to what he is. The classic sonic of the classic 2D games. Plus, how and why would you do that instead of modern sonic?
@@Guy-May-Cry To add more diversity. If Modern Sonic can have 2D games like Sonic Rush and Sonic Advance, why not have Classic Sonic for a 3D ride? It's not like it can't be done when you look at fan games like Sonic Utopia and Robo Blast 2 where it's stlized to have a 3D like strcuture despite being pixalated.
@@Brianycus HOWEVER! Sonic currently would not benefit from this, as it seems after Mania, SEGA have realized they can have a sort of longer version of how Activision did it with something like Skylanders, have one dev team make one game and another a different one, with SEGA having the chance to do this for 3d and the easier 2d, satisfying fans with a good yet less difficult to make (with the right people) 2d game, whilst they work on their 3d game. They can be ambitious, they already are being with all the stuff shown off so far in Superstars (let alone when it releases) just in their own 2D way. SEGA needs a redemption arc after the 2010s before they can fully start being truly out of the box. (Can you tell I like debates?)
They should’ve just made this Sonic advanced, make it modern. Give some Classic controls with a upgraded feel.
Classic fans mostly want THE GOOD CONTROLS. I don’t see why we have to split the fandom like this.
Completely fair take
Respectfully disagree. Honestly, Sonic on genesis controlled just fine and the Advance series (minus the first one) really strayed too far from what makes a classic Sonic game good imo, focusing entirely on speed and punishing you with death for not doing well as opposed to focusing on good platforming and rewarding you for doing well with the speed.
@@GameAW1And what does any of that have to do with Sonic's eye colour?
@@bowmaj8666 If you want a real answer, it's because Classic Sonic is better suited for this kind of game, proportionally speaking. You always want a stumpier character with proportions that can fit either inside a square, or a very short rectangle, so it's not too different from the proportions of the jump/spinball animation. Both player states should fit inside the same hole, so to speak, and Modern Sonic can't do that. Classic Sonic's appearance isn't just aesthetic, it absolutely affects the game. Plus, Classic Sonic just looks better, and Modern Sonic is way more stale than Classic is in 2023. We have had more time with Modern Sonic than Classic Sonic overall, and while that's fine, Modern Sonic is VERY overdue for a stylistic change. Until Modern Sonic re-emerges with some neat cel or phong shading, or has a design element that takes advantage of his high polygon count, I'm kinda over him.
@@LobotomyTC So basically "characters with coloured irises can't be in 2D games!" Give me a break!
Fun fact: without classic Sonic, modern sonic won't be able exist anymore
Okay but this logic can't be applied. Yes classic sonic is the reason modern Sonic exists, but that doesn't mean much when they bring him back and bring him back in a way that seems like a nostalgic cash-grab.
How?
@@Mr.IDK07 after classic Sonic appearance in generations is basically more explained that he's classic version of sonic along with modern sonic exists in the timeline, he met his younger self like he ever was before
If they didn't make the idea of "Classic" Sonic there would only be Sonic
@@TNTz1ooChannel exactly
To be honest, I don't think we'll ever see him die out ever again, and in my personal opinion?
As long as they produce good games, both Classic and Modern (the balance between the two is integral for my variety-loving mind), then I'm not one to complain.
Yes, I know I sound like that 'SEGA Defender' guy, but I'm just a huge sucker for platformers (which kinda helped me 100% Pizza Tower so fast, and soon, Celeste too!).
You're such a SEGA defender. Anyways jokes aside, I can see what you mean.
7:35 in my opinion No It does not look the same, the special stages are new, the chaos Powers are a new Mechanic, Classic Amy has been added, It is now in 2.5D which means they can do a lot more. and I'm glad they are moving away from the sprite based game to separate itself from Sonic Mania. Maybe we are in that mindset were we fear that Sonic Superstars is reusing content. from what I've seen it looks similar, inspired and not reused. (Also Now that Fang the Sniper has returned, it's kind of refreshing to see him as a side Villain.)
It looks similar, but even if a playable Amy and the Chaos Power gimmicks, it's still Classic Sonic. stages will play out like a Classic Sonic game. The traps and controls will be the same. It'll still be a Classic Sonic game and not so much a Classic Modern Sonic game like the Advance Games and Rush
@@Brianycus breaking news: classic sonic game will play like a classic sonic game.
it feels moreso like you're upset that it's not modern sonic, because trying to make the case that superstars doesn't change anything from the other classic games is irrefutably incorrect. of course it's gonna have similar traps and controls as the classic games, it's a CLASSIC SONIC GAME! they're shaking up the formula in other ways.
The point that I'm saying is that Superstars is going to be a Classic Sonic game yes, but not a modern classic Sonic game where you can use more at your disposal that isn't a gimmick. Something like what we've seen with Modern Sonic as it evolved into the adventure style to the boost.
And trust me, I'm not the least bit upset it's a not modern Sonic since I literally said I love the game anyways. I just wish they were more ambitious
@@Brianycus idk, having 4-player co-op, 4 (potentially 5) playable characters, all of the Chaos Emerald abilities that you can use to find alternate routes or hidden objects, character-specific acts, some zones having different amounts of acts to shake up the formula, new special stages, and a pretty in-depth cosmetic system as well as a hub world all sound like pretty fresh and cool ideas that make the game stand out from the others.
That's just a regular 2D platformer when you think about it
Mario Wonder can do that and the New Super series already does it. And I said something different that isn't a gimmick. The Chaos powers point to a gimmick than a mechanic like the boost formula. The only difference is grind failing in that department.
In Sonic's case? That is slightly different but it also depends on the execution.
Firstly you don’t realise that THEYVE BEEN USING ONE SAME MODERN SONIC MODEL FOR 17 YEARS STRAIGHT WITHOUT CHANGING THE MODEL and classic sonic hasn’t had a game in like 5 years
Oh buddy do I have a video for you then
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Short answer: no, theres not too much classic sonic, theres just classic sonic starting to be handled properly and sega taking advantage of it
Nostalgia bait.
@@patrickdixon7202 Sonic Heroes defender detected.
Imo, it's the playing it safe part. I've always wanted a 3d classic sonic game myself. My point is Sega tries to keep classic sonic as similar to the past as possible. I believe they should try different things(but of course not too different things) with the classic genre, e.g, new interpretations of classic animations, edgier level themes, maybe even a skill tree
No. That would be like a classic fan saying” there’s too much modern sonic.” We get way more modern games than classic games, and I feel like people just are tired of classic because of how he was implemented in the past, basically being shoehorned into a modern game. But superstars is new and different, the emerald powers, the updated graphics, huh worlds, in depth customization, character specific levels, and an entirely new character. There’s nothing more that sega could do, because if you change the formula too much, it’s not a classic sonic game. The game wouldn’t be any better if it was a modern game, would I prefer it? Yes of course! But the game still wouldn’t change that much. It’s confusing being in the sonic community because some people say to keep the formula consistent, whiles others say to change it up. But in conclusion no, sega is not overusing classic sonic, in fact we are even getting another sonic frontiers update this year, and earlier this year we got TMOSTH which was a modern game. The issue isn’t segas usage of the character, the issue is that more people grew up with modern sonic, or prefer modern sonic, so when classic sonic is shown it will obviously be less hype to a modern sonic fan. It would be the same thing if classic sonic was in his own 3d game, it could have the boost and homing attack, it could have the spamdash. It could have many new elements, but that would lead people to wondering why it wasn’t just modern sonic instead. For now, leave the new concepts to modern sonic until we can be sure sonic team has the classic formula down, we can’t evolve a formula if we don’t understand it first. TLDR: classic sonic is not overused it depends on what sonic you prefer.
Yeah buddy I'm going to need a TLDR for the people who will read this haha.
But I get your point and it's understandable
@@Brianycus yea def hold on lemme add one
Nope.
Well, if Sega won't ever let me play as Silver and Blaze again, I'd rather have more Classic Sonic games, than have more Modern Sonic games with Sage and Sonic still being voiced by Roger C. Smith 🤮
Okay? I mean understandable
This makes no sense.
Dude why do you have against roger craig smith's sonic since he improved in frontiers and now you're still hating him?!
@@bryanblueblurhedgehog8899 Yeah Idk what that comment was trying to say tbh
@@bryanblueblurhedgehog8899 Roger never needed improvements, he was good for what he was given. And he was given terrible scripts in the past
quick answer, no.
Long answer?
They shouldve done classic games with modern games. They should've done this in the 2000s, they would've gotten away with some things.
Hmm, can you elaborate? 👀
Like what
@@Brianycus Like 06 and secret rings
Had they done this *"classic to modern"* thing, they would've had many excuses
No
Closes the video*
This is coming from a modern fan but they're doing what i've been begging them to do for years and that's making modern sonic games and classic sonic games SEPERATELY, and not letting them intertwine again thus satisfying two different types of sonic fans. They tried it with Mania and Forces but the latter completely undid all good that Mania did for the franchise so it wasn't as noticible. However with how good Frontiers is and how amazing Superstars is looking this might end up having a better outcome.
My problem isn't really seeing Classic Sonic, but seeing Classic Sonic in 2D only and Modern Sonic in 3D only. It doesn't hurt to switch it up and see a 3D Classic Sonic platformer and another 2D Modern Sonic game.
@@Brianycus 100% I feel that. In fact i was gonna mention in my first comment that I would like to see those two type of games appear in the franchise one day because we do REALLY need a 2D Modern sonic game, and a 3D classic sonic game would just be so cool. With that being said however personally I am still pretty satisfied with where the franchise is at right now.
As someone who likes Sonic and has a good overall knowledge on the franchise I can see where you come from but at the same time I kinda disagree and will explain why.
We tend to divide many Sonic games in different eras: Classic Era, Adventure Era, Boost Era,... I think now we are entering a new era and the latest Sonic games have been proof of that: The Inclusion Era!
Whether we like it or not, first impressions can do a lot to a person and I think Sonic is good example of that. We have those that prefer the classic games with solid physics and just enough story to move the game forward, those that prefer the adventure games with their reliance on physics, multiple characters and good stories, those that prefer high speed rushing boost games and even like their humour.
Whether we like it or not Sonic keeps evolving and creating Generational gaps between games.
After Forces I think decided to sit down and organize their stuff and now we are here, in the "Inclusion Era".
Think with me, we got Sonic Frontiers to push forward the franchise with a new gameplay style, Sonic Superstars for old school fans who like their classic adventures and loved the retro designs, Sonic Speed Simulator for those that like Roblox and want a possible touch in the Adventure Formula, Sonic Colors Ultimate to remind boost fans that Boost is still there, speculations of more remakes regarding the adventure eras, etc.
I think this is all intentional. Along with it we finally have Amy, a female hedgehog added as relevant as the main 3. Classic Era: the main 4 are here, Modern Era: the main 4 will be playable in Frontiers, Sonic Prime: the main 4 are there, Comics: the main 4 are there, even in the recently announced Sonic & Friends and the recent SEGA video Fast Friends Forever: the main 4 are there!
SEGA and Sonic Team are finally starting to embrance everyone, no matter where they come from and are now trying to create something special with it. That is how I currently feel it! Everyone is welcome and everyone is represented.
With that said, no, there isnt much classic sonic out, I think this is the beginning of embrancing everything Sonic is and has to offer to everyone!
Not a bad take 👍🏻💙
I agree with this. It also makes a lot of sense given the position sonic is in right now (and its a good one) I've heard some say were in the Sonic renascence era which I also makes more sense. I wish Sega the upmost sucess with whatever they have planned next o7
I think i know what you mean! sonic lately feels all the same (green hill) like put sonic heroes for example , all the stages are creative, like lately sonic needs a variety of style and looks
Yeah! Sonic needs something more and that's why Frontiers did a good job or Sonic Rush is a good game.
I think Classic and Modern should coexist as long as one isn’t shoehorned into the other’s game like Forces
Absolutely valid honestly
Theres too much modern sonic
That is very true
“Modern sonic should die” “classic sonic should die” I’m sick of this shit. They’re both good and I’m tired of everyone always wanting them to go. Both sides should stay cuz that’s what keeps the franchise together. Why can’t the fandom just appreciate both sides for once than comparing them?
No
I have never heard anyone describe Sonic Lost World's artstyle as "refreshing" 😂
In the context of that time, it was believed to have been the case.
Let’s be real, with a fanbase this fractured you can see why Sega corporate plays it safe. ‘Classic’ has seen better reputation in the eyes of fans and investors rather than ‘Modern’. But, I absolutely understand the other side of the argument that ‘Classic’ shouldn’t be here at all and just Sonic period regardless of any game. It just sucks that corporate rather make safe guarantee sales that draw more of a crowd than risks(and even then I say Frontiers is lucky for the multimedia bolster) that’ll jeopardize them more.
So yes, I don’t agree the corporate angle on slapping the ‘Classic’ moniker for public interest, but I get it. But Mario Wonder proves you can have both without compromising your IP’s identity. Why couldn’t the same apply to Sonic?
Speaking of Mario, can we talk about how inconsistent the design method it has? Like the og Mario Bros. had Luigi with green and brown coloration and Mario with red and black-ish coloration, why don’t they stick with it. And also, also, I think it is best we just have a 3D Sonic game with the original aesthetic, with elements that left in the limbo, not recycling Sonic 1 through 3’s levels for umpteenth time.
I just don't think it's fair that people are basically saying "Ok, so Modern Sonic can be in all the 3D games, like the boost to win ones, and the ones with experimental gameplay like Lost World and Frontiers. Basically all the divisive ones that people are more likely to unfairly criticise or even just straight up hate! Meanwhile, Classic Sonic can be in all the 2D games with the traditional Sonic gameplay that everyone knows and loves that will inevitably get universal praise for!"
It's just setting up the Modern games to fail or get crapped on by bias people for "not being Classic!"
I've mentioned the idea of a new 2D game with the traditional gameplay of the classics and Mania, but with the Modern character designs, and Classic purists are always horrified by that! "No no no, it MUST be Classic Sonic, for he is Sacred!!!" And then they have the gall to say "but it's got nothing to do with the designs!" Give me a break! Classic Sonic only exists to appease all the whiney fans who don't like "that awful green eyed imposter!"
Do you not see how stupid that is though? I mean, from a pure marketing perspective, having Classic Sonic be what you expect it to be is a good call. Modern Sonic gets to have new gameplay styles and different attempts to bring the character to life, and not only is that extremely endearing, but you also know what you're getting yourself into. I don't dislike Modern Sonic at all, but I do think he's right where he needs to be, because he IS the oldest (age-wise) and most current form of the character. It makes sense that the newer games will do newer things and have different spins on gameplay. But all you seem to be concerned with is character design? It's the same fucking character! Why is this the discussion we're having? Why is this the current Sonic discourse online? Are Modern fans really this butthurt about a STRENGTH of Modern Sonic, being that he can have more diverse gameplay styles? What a retarded take.
@@LobotomyTC It's because of how divisive this all is. Let's face facts here, there is not a single 3D Sonic game that hasn't been unfairly criticized for the most idiotic of reasons.
"Urgh, Sonic doesn't work in 3D!"
"Urgh, Sonic games shouldn't have a complex story!"
"Urgh, Sonic shouldn't talk!"
"Urgh, Sonic's got too many stupid friends!"
"Urgh, Sonic should go back to his roots!"
"Urgh, Sonic shouldn't have green eyes!"
These are the reasons that we got a Classic Sonic in the first place! It's these Classic purists who seem to be obsessed with Sonic's character design, and for whatever reason Sega seems like they're obligated to appease these whiners.
They're the ones who are saying "the current design doesn't belong in a 2D game", despite the fact that it's been in multiple 2D games before, like Sonic Pocket Adventure, the Advance series and the Rush series. That's how it used to be before Sonic 4 when these purists suddenly decided that Sonic's design is vital to making a Sonic game good.
When Sega markets a Classic game, it just sets up a strange set of guidelines. People are claiming that "Classic and Modern are separate" but we're constantly getting Classic stuff in Modern games and Modern stuff in Classic games. Yet the one line that they won't cross is allowing characters with coloured irises in 2D games anymore? Don't you realise how ridiculous that sounds? There were rumours that Sega were making a brand new game with the momentum based physics of games like Mania but with the Modern character designs, and would include characters like Shadow and Silver. Many fans were excited by this concept because these are fan favourite characters who haven't been in games with this type of traditional Sonic gameplay before, and it would've sold like hot cakes. Yet once again, it's these Classic purists who are whining "Noooooo, keep those stinky Modern characters out of the 2D games, they'd ruin 'em!" It's ridiculous!
No disrespect to Sonic Superstars, but how far can this "New Classic" series really last? How long before only being able to play as Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy gets boring? And if they're going to introduce "New Classic" characters, well then they aren't Classic, are they? The word Classic is simply being used as a marketing term; basically "not Modern, so therefore good!"
@@bowmaj8666 Why should I care what game reviewers think? They're always going to shit on Sonic, because that's what gets attention. Also, quit quivering your pussy over "Classic Sonic Purists". That's not a real thing. It's a boogeyman you made up. The number of people who act like that are an extreme minority, and that isn't even the demographic of people they're trying to appeal to with Classic Sonic. That's just how you're perceiving it, and it's incorrect. There isn't enough money to be made off of people who only like one version of Sonic, because they're a tiny fraction of a fraction of the fanbase. Some people prefer Classic. That doesn't make them "purists". Sonic the Hedgehog is not a religion and there are no heretics to burn. People are allowed to like what they fucking like.
Also, character design matters, and it's fine for Classic Sonic to exist. You are complaining about people complaining about Sonic's design. That level of autism should not be condoned, and you are worse than they are because that entire argument is fucking pointless. You seemingly want to gatekeep to a point where only Modern Sonic exists.
As for the last bit, "Classic" is in reference to Sonic's design, not the fact that the old games are classics. He's based on Felix the Cat, which is one of the original cartoon characters. That's where that comes from. New "Classic" characters just mean that they're from an era when Sonic was younger, and there are a LOT of gaps in the timeline between Sonic Mania and Sonic Adventure that can be filled. Lots of things were implied to happen between the events of those games, including Sonic the Hedgehog 4. Classic isn't from a different dimension, he's just a younger Sonic. They're the same goddamn character. All of this Chris-Chan tier shit about Classic vs. Modern fans is the most fucking retarded thing I've had to tolerate from this fandom in recent memory and you are contributing to that cancer. Stop it.
I think both original and modern iteration (that starts off with Sonic Adventure) should co-exist, but not in the same game, and Silver should have been reintroduced in Sonic Generations with 2D gameplay as a bonus.
classic sonic IS sonic, he's not going away
Classic Sonic is nowhere close to being overused, he was simply mishandled.
Classic Sonic has only featured in 4 mainline games since the '90s, and isn't justified to be there in only one of them.
Modern Sonic gets games and other media overall and far more frequently than Classic Sonic does; more comics, more merch, more animated content. People seem to forget that Team Sonic Racing Overdrive, Sonic Colours: Rise of the Wisps, and the Sonic Frontiers prologue exist.
Why should Sonic Superstars be gimmicky and change the formula? You aren't understanding the appeal of a Classic Sonic game.
It could just be a 2D Modern Sonic game! Some people - like me - prefer the Classic series aesthetic and character designs, and I'm sure SEGA knows not to raise their middle finger to a large portion of the fanbase. And this coming from someone who has practically no nostalgia for the Classic games and grew up almost exclusively with the Modern games, but they simply never clicked with me like the Classics did. I prefer the simple 2D platforming without a boost-to-win level formula. Heck, Marble Zone is one of my favourite zones in the series.
I feel like Classic Sonic should be treated better; should be equal to Modern Sonic, rather than something Sonic Team pull out a year or so after every anniversary.
My compromise would be that after every 1 or 2 mainline Modern Sonic games, there should be a Classic Sonic game, and continue like that.
Mania and superstars aren't mainline
Interesting take! Cant wait for more content!
Sega just needs to stop focusing on sonic so much in general. Remember Daytona USA? Whar about outrun? 2 arcade classics that literally everyone loved ehen they released. A remaster of Daytina USA 2 anf outrun 2 for modern consoles would honestly have gotten them pretty far imo.
Oh well, if SEGA will never let me play as Silver and Blaze in their modern games, Modern Sonic can stay DEAD permanently for all I care.
Classic Sonic is great Had he stayed only in generations we wouldn't have gotten Mania Classic Sonic represents so much in the Sonic series Classic Sonic is on the Logo of Sonic Team, The Sonic TH-cam Channel and the Sonic Twitter removing Classic Sonic would hurt the series so badly. on one side: You satisfied a few Modern Sonic fans but on the other: The Majority is PISSED and it might even lead to a loss of sales in Sonic games which is a bad thing there is not too much Classic Sonic there is Just as much if not even less Classic Sonic than Modern Classic Sonic is a great character you got the Sonic OVA, 1,2,3,CD&K, Sonic R, Sonic Mania, and Sonic 1 MS
Sonic Adventure has a bunch Classic Sonic leftovers because Classic Sonic is the one meant to be in the game...
You wonder why Sonic's arms are going through his quills when running? Anwser: No there is not too much Classic Sonic
I don't mind Classic and Modern being separate, but yeah, would be nice to see they experiment more with classic Sonic
Sonic mania was a game from the fans
And classic sonic is what most of the sonic fans want! They want to feel the classic feelings just like from the past!..
..except classic sonic in modern sonic.. that is no good !
This is just my opinion.
Modern sonic and classic sonic are 2 different games! The classic sonic games are games for people who enjoyed sonic on the mega drive as a kid and modern sonic is for people who grew up with sonic adventure.
Just an opinion
Then can they stop shoving in 2D sections in Modern/3D stuff? Im absolutely tired of my camera switching to 2D when i wanna just keep controlling Sonic going forward and see whats in front of me
..I said classic sonic
@@boo4407 you said modern Sonic is for people who grew up with sonic adventure and current modern sonic is nothing like adventure nowadays.
@@SonicAdventureEnjoyer oohhhh… uhmm uhh I- uhm.. you got me :(
While I think Classic Sonic should not appear in modern games anymore, I think he should still stay around. I think Classic Sonic should get his own games every 2 or 3 years to keep the classic era and gameplay
fans happy. But all of Sega’s attention shouldn’t be directed to Classic Sonic. Classic Sonic should stay the same as how he was in the 90s. This way Sega and Sonic Team could expand Modern Sonic and expand the franchise as a whole. (Making side games with Classic Sonic Could be a great way to release new content now and then, and still give us some nostalgia!)
U seem to have either forgotten or not realize Superstars isn't for the strictly hardcore like mania was. They explained it as quite literally New Super Mario for sonic which means it's more so for bringin in the casual gamer that also knows sonic or the new kid who's gettin his 1st game to play wit he fam. I don't disagree wit the modern 2D thing but that's NOT wut this is. This is to reach as wide/easy of an audience as possible to sell as many units as possible & keep that train goin for the foreseeable future to help the series long term. Classic is more beloved/trusted so it'll catch more eyes than modern who's shaky at best to most
Nahhh bro.
Anyways joke aside, yeah that's completely understandable. I mean Mania still does that for the first timer and Superstars could've been a Modern 2D game. But yeah
@@Brianycus like I said mania is for the hardcore. that's y Iizuka GAVE it the mania title. "By the mania FOR the mania". casual players suck at sonic & mania is anythin BUT casual. i.e. too hard. also they stated that manias' pixel art makes it seem too old for the casual gamer & adheres TOO strongly to the classic formula where stuff like the emeralds in superstars R altered in ways that "modernize" them
That’s not Classic Sonic. That’s Santiago. Classic Sonic has been missing since 1998.
The last thing we need is classic haters right now. If Superstars hits, SEGA may just be more confident in releasing the next modern entry.
Doubtful. It would increase the chance for more Classic Sonic and not Modern Sonic.
Its a good thing they keep Classic Sonic consistent, 3d Sonic has be premantly damaged by every 2nd game feeling like a soft core reboot.
That's a fair assessment
I don’t mind Classic Sonic having his own games, just don’t Force him upon us in the Modern titles so we don’t have a Forces situation, pun intended.
Why cant sega just fuse classic sonic and modem sonic into one being.
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why the hell were sonics eyes glowing in the lost world footage
I personally only want to see classic in anniversary games and collections after superstars. But if jakks wants to make more classic stuff i see no problem.
I'm down for the idea of Classic Sonic returning in a full 3D like game. And then have Modern Sonic for a 2D one while they're working on the next 3D modern Sonic. If this makes any sense
Modern Sonic is more overused than Classic Sonic.
While a valid point, Modern Sonic has had multiple different playing styles throughout the years. Classic Sonic hasn't changed much in that aspect or even tried to do a 3D Classic Sonic game much like how we have 2D Modern Sonic games like the Advance and Rush games.
I think Classic should be held if it's what it takes to get that good ole gameplay style!
What are your favorite Sonic games in the franchise? Me, I'd say 3&K/Mania/Generations are most certainly to be in my top five.
I'm a Sonic Adventure guy haha
@@Brianycusbased
duh! of course!
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Honestly i think its fine to have some classic stuff these days i kinda see this as the paper mario or the new super mario bros as for the sonic series something that can release along side with the modern stuff but yeah as long as they dont pull a forces again i am fine with it
When you put it like it's a Paper Mario version for Sonic then I kinda vibe with it. I'm also worried because Paper Mario hasn't had a good reputation post Color Splash.
@@Brianycus yeah true
@@Brianycus That has everything to do with how terrible Nintendo is, though. Even if SEGA games are worse on average, at least they aren't the video game equivalent of TV static that Nintendo games have become in the Wii-Switch era
I mean, it's stupid even having this conversation. Sonic can be different with each iteration. Sometimes he has boost, sometimes he has a drop dash, sometimes he can run on top of water and sometimes he can't. It's dumb as shit to point to a specific iteration of Sonic and say "this is THE Sonic." He's open to constant interpretation and has been for over 3 decades so what exactly are we even talking about here?
OH HELL NO!! classic sonic and modern wonic should exist! But need to be seperated that's all!
Out of all the world's problems, the biggest one that needs to stop is modern sonic
I can understand why people don't like classic sonic because of the overexploitation he had since sonic generations and prefer a modern twist with the advance and rush series, but i think that with supertars they're giving him the treatment that he deserves more than just be unnecessary and annoying.
And guys, ¿criticize a game just for only have classic sonic isn't a bit much? They're litteraly making a made-from-zero classic sonic game with new level themes and level desing, new powerups, classic amy being playable for the second time, a fun looking multiplayer mode, etc!
But what would have been worst? Have the same old classic sonic with the mayority of levels themes being from the classic games AGAIN or have a NEW 2D CLASSIC SONIC GAME?
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I think of sonic 3 and knuckles because of hyper sonic
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@@Brianycus was i rude?
@@Brianycus i'm using google translate to write english
(Replying about favorite games) I do like the Adventure speed stages a lot! :) The P06 fangame might appeal to you, as well.
Outside the 'Adventure Era' (1998-2006, roughly) what's your other favorite games? Maybe top two in 2D and (separately) top two in 2.5/3D.
That P06 is on my radar and I really need to play it soon and hopefully make a review out of
I simply don’t buy into sonic hype anymore. 3D or 2D, modern or classic. This game looks fine, honestly I have more faith in it that I did goin into Frontiers, but I’m just not getting hyped about anything anymore. Literally just waiting for the game to see how it turns out
I think Sonic Superstars is fine I think I'll be okay with another classic Sonic game I just start having a problem with it when it starts heading into the modern Sonic games where he doesn't belong like forces that's it
@ohosmandivine6770what do you mean?
After generation, clasic sonic has been used way too much, and honestly, it's just getting exhausting
It really is. Like I get it. But the execution just wasn't it
After generations, classic sonic was literally only in 2 games(not including superstars,) and origins doesn’t count because it’s just a collection; and in one of those two games he wasn’t even the focus. 12 years and only 2 games. You guys are overreacting.
@@ff_675 Yes and no. See the collections are a part of the Classic Sonic brand so to speak. They count as a presentation to what Classic Sonic is and so Origins and Origins Plus counts. Besides that, we have Generations, then we have Forces, then Mania and Mania Plus, and now Superstars all in the span of 5 years. That's the underlying case.
@@ff_675 It's a tremendous overreaction, honestly. Generations and Forces barely count, since they both had massive Modern content as well (Forces even more so). If we're talking only Classic-based games, we've had one (Mania with DLC), and that was in 2017/18. Superstars isn't out yet, and so I'm not even going to count it. If anything, we've had too much Modern Sonic. If we're going to count Modern as a brand, then we have Generations, Colours Ultimate, Sonic 4 Ep. 2, Lost World, Forces, Frontiers, Sonic ASRT, Team Sonic Racing, and then the four Olympic-themed games with Modern Sonic. Classic Sonic has barely even appeared if we're actually going to look at it. If that's exhausting, then Modern Sonic has been run into the ground, dug up, buried again, and then resurrected for another go (Frontiers and beyond).
@@ff_675That's already too many.
You *NEED* To Be Stopped.
You’re so right
I think Classic Sonic should be improved, he should stop being just Sonic from the past and have games with a better story and a better explanation of how he became Modern Sonic.
Now this is a take I really like
This is something I've been saying for a while, Sega is trying to use classic Sonic at all costs in a way that gets to be nauseating, I love Sonic mania, but between him and Frontires I prefer Frontires, BECAUSE Frontires is more original and unique
Agreed
I agree but honestly i think i still prefer mania cuz the gameplay was a bit better and the level design was perfect for me
why should he be stopped
I’m a fan of the Mario and Sonic franchise and I just look at Wonder and it’s brimming with new ideas, innovation, and style while when I look at SuperStars it just looks like the complete opposite.
Classic Sonic is the embodiment of companies trying to squeeze as much nostalgia as they can out of a character. at this point they should at least bring back adventure sonic instead of reusing classic over and over and over and getting the fans bored.
I agree, but can people please seriously stop using terms like Classic Sonic, Modern Sonic and Adventure Sonic as if they're entirely different characters? If you want Sega to bring the Adventure style gameplay back, that's fine, but they don't need to market an entirely new Sonic to do that! That's what got us in this mess in the first place; because when Sonic 4 was announced whiney fan boys were complaining "WAAAH, that green eyed freak doesn't belong in a 2D game! Give me MY Sonic or I'm never playing another Sonic game ever again!" And Sega have been trying to appease these whiners ever since!
@@ohosmandivine6770 Yeah he has the potential. But Sega should at least put a few modern games in-between like Sonic Prism or something
No classic sonic is fine in his own games if classic sonic still gets his own games it's win win for the classic fans
Yeah Superstars looks better than frontiers so I'm still buying it despite people being tired of classic sonic
And yes I love both versions of sonic modern and classic but classic has had the better games as of late origins does not count.
All it comes down to is that Sega needs to give both versions of classic and modern sonic equal love with their own games
as both fans of sonic I can say that before generations was a thing classic fans had to wait ages for a true classic sonic experience so it truly was worth the hype when they brought him back in generations and Mania too bad forces shoehorned classic in to boost sales.
I refuse to believe that Superstars looks better than Frontiers. Everything else I agree but that.
@@Brianycustoo each their own frontiers doesn't interest me in the slightest we definitely have different taste but I respect your opinion.
@@Brianycus it looks much better than frontiers. and i love frontiers
Here's a thought. How about we get rid of modern Sonic instead? Between Mania and likely Superstars in a couple months, recent classic Sonic games are batting a thousand. It's the modern releases that are struggling to get a positive reception. I loved Frontiers but that was their first true hit in 11 years.
I'm not saying the series shouldn't be in 3d but why not try to turn Classic 3d? Ive seen some fan games play with the idea and it shows massive potential. Maybe even something SA1-esque.
So what you mean to say is that you want to meet with Jesus early then.
@@Brianycuswhat
Classic Sonic is outdated, Modern Sonic is inherently superior. Too bad you Classic fans are too stupid to understand this.
Here’s an actual good thought. Both sides are good and should be kept
2D sonic is better than the 3D games.
Debateble but also agreeable
So what does Sonic's design have to do with that? Let's have a 2D game with the Modern designs!
YES
They still haven't made Modern Sonic work well in 2D - everything from Modern Sonic that was brought into Sonic 4, made the game worse. Rush is not an evolution of the original games. It is a very different game. If all you want is for them to put the Modern Sonic sprite or model over the classic 2D gameplay, well the argument can be made that the current Modern Sonic model is in dire need of an update, and won't look particularly great in 2D. It doesn't look amazingly in 2D sections of the 3D games.
The advance trilogy (for the most of the part) was classic style had modern Sonic and worked well.
New classic sonic is a sad pathetic baby loser copy of the actual classic sonic from the 90's
nah theres too much modern sonic we should go back in time and warn sega to not make the saturn so incredibly hard to make games for so sonic x-treme came it (and it was good) so modern sonic never exists and we are in a timeline where sonic never fell off and is classic sonic forever
Nah there's too much of you nostalgia blind casuals and I need to warn sega to not listen to you
@@MidnightApex-ml6jc 1. did i clarify I was joking and 2. I am a 2D sonic fan, i like the 3D games (my favorites being the adventure games) and nolstagia bias has nothing to do with it
Way too much. I enjoy the classic games, I love Generations as well as Sonic Satam, but we didn't need any more than that.
The problem with this is if Modern Sonic went to having 2D games again (barring potential ports or remakes) then Classic Sonic has nothing anymore and would essentially have to fade into obscurity. This would be a COLOSSAL middle finger to Sonic fans that prefer the classic era to the point of outright saying "You don't matter anymore".
Sega's general mindset now is pretty clearly focused on 3D games being exclusively Modern while 2D would be primarily Classic.
Plus let's be 100% real: Forces sucked despite Classic Sonic, not because of him. If you got rid of his presence entirely and only included the avatar and Modern Sonic stages, the game would still be a steaming pile.
Oh yeah Forces was irredeemable from the moment we bought the game and played it regardless of the fact CS would be there. However, I just think that Classic Sonic being only exclusive to 2D and Modern to 3D is a shame because you can interchange them and still make a good product if they cared enough like Sonic Frontiers.
@@Brianycus That would work narratively like Frontiers did, but not as much in gameplay where the two styles are just too different. Even when one factors in the Advance games, the Classic style was way simpler and it worked to its advantage, being games about good platforming that rewarded you for playing well with speed in a manner not unlike how Modern does it in 3D.
Plus Modern Sonic simply can't really do the whole Saturday Morning Cartoon vibe well, at least not nearly as well as Classic does. Kinda like how Classic Sonic probably won't work well with a darker and more serious story. The two have different vibes to them that make them have their own respective strengths and weaknesses.
On a personal note though, I do not oppose the two occasionally coming together as long as it makes sense within the context of the game. More like Generations, less like Forced. (That's no typo)
There was no Classic Sonic from 1999 to about 2009, and Classic fans seemed to get on alright! Like seriously, what is it about this mere character design that you all think is so vital to this series? I've actually heard Classic purists whining "I'm not playing that game because Sonic had the wrong eye colour in it!" Umm, ok? That's kind of your problem, and it seems incredibly petty that you insist that Sega cater to your odd standards! I mean, Sonic has green eyes now! What's the issue?
@@bowmaj8666 Its got nothing to do with the eyes save for the extreme minority that are better off ignored. Its that Modern Sonic gameplay is WILDLY different from Classic Sonic gameplay, and nowhere is this more evident than Sonic Generations where Modern is a high-speed obstacle course where you zoom through the game in mere minutes while Classic has more methodical platforming where speed is the reward for playing well.
Having Classic Sonic as a separate character doubles as confirming a return to form from the Genesis Sonic game days while simultaneously making clear the Modern style of games more focused on deeper storytelling will not be neglected either. Having the two separate means everyone can get what they want and nobody needs to be alienated.
One last thing: When Adventure era hit, we had not been too far along without a traditional Sonic 2D platformer. When Classic Sonic was in Generations however, the last truly classic game we had was arguably the Advance Series a decade earlier and if not that, Sonic 3 & Knuckles nearly two decades earlier. The Classic style had been all but completely phased out entirely and fans of those games were basically told that they don't matter anymore and are no longer Sega's audience. That was the problem.
Now that they can coexist, nobody gets left behind. If you want better storytelling and character depth, play Modern games. If you want good platforming and Saturday Morning Cartoon vibes, play Classic.
@@GameAW1 The point that I'm making is that why can't Sega just make a game with the momentum based physics of the old games and Mania but feature the Modern character designs? This way, it's mixing both Classic and Modern elements without insisting that they have to be separate. You can have traditional side scrolling 2D Sonic gameplay AND better story telling and character depth! Heck, they can even do what they did in that game Freedom Planet, where there's a Story Mode with cutscenes and an Arcade Mode where you just play from level to level. This way you can please everyone without dividing the fan base!
If they market it as a Classic game then they can only use Classic characters like Mighty, Ray and the Chaotix, plus they have to set it before Sonic Adventure, which is just setting themselves up for inconsistencies in the timeline. However, by utilising the Modern character designs they can utilise fan favourites like Shadow, Rouge, Cream and Cheese, Blaze, Silver and others. They can even use characters like Mighty, Ray and Fang and just give them updated designs. It's literally just slightly longer proportions and coloured irises; it's not as horrific as these Classic purists think that it is.
And that's the only real issue in this scenario that I can imagine; fans hating the Modern designs and characters and wanting the Classic designs instead, and that just seems like a very petty thing to cater a game to.