Company Of Heroes 3 Review, A Mechanically Great RTS Let Down By Poor Visual Design And Relics DoW3

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  • Dawn of War 3 casts a long specter over Relic and Company Of Heroes 3 needed to be something very special indeed to dispel it, it falls short of that mark even as it mechanically and feature wise is one of the strongest CoH games ever
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  • @VengeanceMkII
    @VengeanceMkII ปีที่แล้ว +141

    For Dawn of War 1 and maybe 2 as well as Company of Heroes they had this badass texture artist who would hand paint brush every texture. No phototextures no photoshopping, everything was painted and detailed by hand digitally giving everything a very distinct feel and texture to it. I believe this artist left around Dawn of War 2 but I cannot recall. You will realize that Dawn of War 3 looked like crud. Look into the game files of DOW1 and COH1 and you'll see the textures have obvious brush strokes on them.

    • @CHESTNUT246
      @CHESTNUT246 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      damn i didnt know that much effort was put in

    • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
      @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin ปีที่แล้ว +13

      You'd think they could just hire another artist like that. I mean, more than one of those exist. Yes, they won't work for minimum wage - you have to pay them a bit, and they actually need to be allotted some amount of time, preferably in line with the rest of production for the usual pipe lining that every project manager understands. It's just rigid limits imposed on product managers and human resources by the execs, maybe.

    • @MrSmokincodz
      @MrSmokincodz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Okay man. Coh3 looks great I think.

    • @wewuzkangz2505
      @wewuzkangz2505 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MrSmokincodz I think it looks like a Sunday cartoon, but if that's your style, go for it.

    • @KnightofAges
      @KnightofAges ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, didn't know that. Much respect to that artist, especially since Warhammer 40k is so focused around painting our own minis.

  • @Sultschiem
    @Sultschiem ปีที่แล้ว +52

    As a gamedev myself, I have to say I am absolutely shocked at how shit UI work has become over the last decade.
    Look at the icons on the ressource-points and they lack contrast against the background compared to 2.
    The objectives are worse,... I'd also argue that the building menu feels worse.... I liked Dawn of War 2's ui for that a lot better.
    It feels clunky and just a bit off.
    I worked with quite a few studios and the UI was always a giant struggle because the UI-artists/designers did one beginner mistake after another....such as putting white icons on bright yellow/green background so you couldn't read them.....
    I can barely keep track of my ressources because they are weirdly spaced out instead of in a place where you can easily glance over them.
    And yeah, sound design is rather poor here.... which is weird, because great sound design is not hard to get when you have a project of this size.

    • @ThishandlefeatureISdumb
      @ThishandlefeatureISdumb ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don’t understand why they just didn’t keep CoH1 & CoH2 UI and give it a bit of upgrade. Don’t know why they gotta “fix” what isn’t broken.

    • @Sultschiem
      @Sultschiem ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ThishandlefeatureISdumb because it must look new and be different enough to justify the price.
      There are always ways to improve...
      And ways to mess it up.

    • @InternetHydra
      @InternetHydra ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And these are the type of people that bitched out Elden Ring over UI stuff

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Reminds me of how "icons" have become alot less stand out and FLAT looking. Like jesus are they trying to fit everything on a Smart phone or something? ADD SOME POP TO YOUR ICONS!

    • @Sultschiem
      @Sultschiem ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jaywerner8415 Its a trend that I don't like either....
      Using much simpler/subtler stuff that has no depth to it.
      There are cases where its good/appropriate, but the weird mixture they put in just seems un-homogenic.

  • @SovereignRO
    @SovereignRO ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Relic seems to have gone full damage control, many reviews are "sponsored", if you look at metacritic especially its easy to see. Nice to see people still ready to speak the truth. Been waiting for CoH 3 for a long while, looking at the state it launched it...I should have waited one more year. There is no excuse for this release state, the game looks like being in early access, sound is bad, textures low quality, UI is simply atrocious, looks like a placeholder used in early alpha AND its not scalable like in CoH 2, its huge taking allot of sceen space. Take a look at the menus and UI in coh2, they are poetry compared to this. Also the smoke and explosions look....I dont know...2D and low res.

    • @BMC2
      @BMC2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Jep, the ones who received review keys are pumping out positive reviews that don't touch any facet of the negative side.
      Horrible

    • @Daiciyomon_4594
      @Daiciyomon_4594 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same goes to warhammer 3

    • @grassynaga9092
      @grassynaga9092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Far as I’m aware Relic went defunked. After Dow3 failed they’re basically a shadow of their former selves, and they were banking on Age of empires and big daddy Microsoft giving them money life support. They’re very much a shadow of the company that made coh2 and dow2

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BMC2 The thing that gets me is the lack of any disappointment or discussion of the missing achievements, missing game history, ready replay feature (especially important for bugfinding), and shallower match summary.
      Am enjoying the game otherwise, and while the performance is good in default view, it still drops HARD when angling the camera. Though I'm a little surprised noone is appreciating the new destruction physics. The roofed shelters and columns crumble VERY satisfyingly when being driven through. Building interiors are given some detail and while they oversold the microscopic detail, it is still somewhat dynamic and has a lot more permutations than structures in the previous games.
      My overall feelings atm are there are really great additions and minor details they didn't have to do (check the greyhound cannon loading animation without the turret upgrade, los tracers around obstructions), but there are plenty of other slipups that might unfortunately abort this game.

    • @khalidgagnon8753
      @khalidgagnon8753 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. Expect a patch

  • @IRMentat
    @IRMentat ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I still remember the dancing ork buildings, the call-ins/abilities that wiped out entire armies, the random super turrets all over the lane based maps, the bubble shields where once thee was cover. Worst of all I remember the dev response of “If you don’t like this you are stupid.” Even as another item was added to the cash shop bit the game had so few maps.
    It takes a lot to be able to get over something as insulting as that. CoH3 feels like an attempt to upgrade the old games but without the talent to actually match their previous quality let alone iterate on their systems. One step forward but turned up for parade in their skivvies.

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver ปีที่แล้ว +4

      One Step forward after a million steps backwards.

    • @rintfosk6850
      @rintfosk6850 ปีที่แล้ว

      Personally I think the dancing ork buildings and broken abilities of all the factions have made dow3 really fun to play. The game was also released in a much more complete state compared to coh3, it has the potential to be a great (but definitely different vs dow1 and dow2) game but sadly poor PR decision essentially ruined all.

    • @ninochaosdrache3189
      @ninochaosdrache3189 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rintfosk6850 Dancing Ork buildings don't really scream grimdark though, more like grimdank.

    • @Jovan_Stokic
      @Jovan_Stokic ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ninochaosdrache3189 personally i think it fits because orks are somewhat of a comedic relief in 40k and it adds to the scrap-built aesthetic of the greenskins. Also every dawn of war is different from the last and, in my opinion, people shouldn't have bashed Dow3 for trying something new such as a fast paced moba like rts.

  • @sadwingsraging3044
    @sadwingsraging3044 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Arch: _It is the "current year"_
    Me: Now I understand what motivated Rip Van Winkle. Wake me up in twenty years...😴

    • @Krysnha
      @Krysnha ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ad in 20 years things are worst or colapse, oe of two

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Either way, it will be better, or life will be shorter.

  • @michalo.gregorius1313
    @michalo.gregorius1313 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Valve might not be able to count to 3, but Relic maybe just shouldn't do so.

  • @machinech183
    @machinech183 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Benefit of the doubt is gained and lost on reputation. Relic has no one to blame but themselves for its loss.

  • @nyanko2077
    @nyanko2077 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I agree with the Rommel campaign being stupidily told through the enemies eyes. I would have liked to get some insight directly on how he viewed and managed his own campaign. I am sure there must be plenty of historical writings about the desert fox during the war. wokeness kills entertainment.

    • @LeMicronaut
      @LeMicronaut ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Italy made sense for the dynamic campaign, but they could have easily directed a similar search and destroy scenario with a world map given the notorious standoff between patton and rommel (and rommel was apparently part of a Hitler assassination plot, so uhhh....you think there'd be some points there to be made)

  • @maxrobe
    @maxrobe ปีที่แล้ว +23

    When I was a child, (many many years ago), we used to have 'wargames', in the garden and set up our Airfix '00' scale figures and threw blobs of mud, (to very specific child rules), against each others opposing forces. The scale of the combat areas in CoH3 reminds me of that.

    • @bulldog71ss33
      @bulldog71ss33 ปีที่แล้ว

      My buddies and I used to do something similar but with Hot Wheels models.
      Our blobs and mud were however typically soaked in gasoline, lit on fire and flung across the yard with metal spoons...
      Ahh, fun times. 🔥 🤕

  • @Alamandorious
    @Alamandorious ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Oh yeah…the audio. Always love when one of my Brit units is under fire and shouts ‘WHAT…DO…YOU…NEED!?’ at me. None of that in CoH3.

  • @nickvanachthoven7252
    @nickvanachthoven7252 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    i dont see any improvements over COH2.
    and that sumarises the entire current year gaming industry. downgraded rereleases for full price.

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And all the people that GAVE A SHIT and mode those memorable games possible have moved on to other things, retired, or formed their own small stuido.

    • @zmf12975
      @zmf12975 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      auto vault, auto reinforce, vastly better stability and performance, side armor, terrain height playing into engagements, battlegroup system rather than the shitty coh2 linear commander system, better faction design...

    • @macaconuu
      @macaconuu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is why coh2 has more players than coh3, I personally hate the new game and have thousands of hours on coh2.

  • @Rellana1
    @Rellana1 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    You know a apology for the mess that was DOW 3 would go a long way,instead of blaming the fans. They were told in no uncertain terms that this wasn't wanted.

    • @rusm5710
      @rusm5710 ปีที่แล้ว

      No it wouldn't

  • @Alamandorious
    @Alamandorious ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If they combined the graphics and unit capabilities of CoH 1 and the mechanics of CoH 3, they’d be better off.

  • @conscript900
    @conscript900 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The CoH 1 expansions had solid cutscenes. Was always a fan of that moving comic book/picture style. But it sounds like they didnt even get that right here either.

  • @charlesdaugherty321
    @charlesdaugherty321 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    'Semi-Transparent fuzzy texture' on the command tent is a camo net.
    Poorly done... but I see what they were going for.

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 ปีที่แล้ว

      That was my first guess when he said that.

  • @ninochaosdrache3189
    @ninochaosdrache3189 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Seems like it has become what I have thought it will be like. Relic is a husk of its former glory.

  • @montolonzo3836
    @montolonzo3836 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    lets not mention the ABSOLUTE SMEAR against rommel in the campaign..........

    • @thegrandnope7143
      @thegrandnope7143 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I mean to be fair Rommel was no saint

    • @jonathansibrian695
      @jonathansibrian695 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thegrandnope7143 yea but the game is called "company of heroes"

  • @TheWarriorofHonor
    @TheWarriorofHonor ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i agree with arch, i am a big fan on the CoH series since the release of part 1. COH3 is solid, it is fun and it is...promising... but waiting a few months won't hurt for sure

  • @DaPlauda
    @DaPlauda ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The wheels on the truck don´t go round and round, round and round, round and round...

  • @LukoSavage
    @LukoSavage ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hey Arch, love the content, have for years. Keep up the good work, but if it ain’t asking too much, can you turn down the background music in the future? When it crescendos or rises, whatever the right term is, it sometimes almost drowns you out when you speak.

  • @sorentappe8745
    @sorentappe8745 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To be fair, I wouldn't mind the visuals that much if I was unaware of the multiplayer pre-alpha from late 2021. If you look up footage of that, you'll wonder what happened and why there was a massive visual downgrade. I can't think of any reason why Relic would do this, it looks and sounds so much better, besides the obvious work in progress effects.

    • @ninochaosdrache3189
      @ninochaosdrache3189 ปีที่แล้ว

      I feel like sometime before Dawn of War 3, they must have decided that all their games need to look bad.

  • @charlesballiet7074
    @charlesballiet7074 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    yea the physics scale of units, ranges and colors look cartoony

  • @INSANESUICIDE
    @INSANESUICIDE ปีที่แล้ว +83

    The CoH3 discord has a pronoun picker when you pick roles, that alone tells me there there is a corruption of their "soul" as a game dev.

    • @BMC2
      @BMC2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      When game studios become activist instead of developing games

    • @SchemingGoldberg
      @SchemingGoldberg ปีที่แล้ว +13

      During development the official Relic forums were also very woke, saying that there was too many "straight white men" in Company of Heroes.

    • @JDoe-gf5oz
      @JDoe-gf5oz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SchemingGoldberg I would be fine with hot busty lesbians.

    • @robosoldier11
      @robosoldier11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      the fact people had to go on their forum website to get the devs to recognize why Italians not having an army is a stupid decision before relic acknowledge it and promise they will come in eventually. Goes to show really how shallow they took the significance of the theater. This literally was the time to expand the Axis and have more then "German army 1 and German army 2." Like I kid you not their explanation was "We took a poll a couple years ago and people wanted the Africa corp so we planned around that." Ok? Why would that somehow not naturally get you to think "Oh well this is a good time to add the Italians as a faction!" Like the potential content from this new theater is just endless in the possibility but they for whatever reason only decided to go to 2nd base with it on launch.

    • @INSANESUICIDE
      @INSANESUICIDE ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robosoldier11 If they made a solid game they are allowed to add a sprinkling of bias or social commentary, it has just turned into a vehicle for them to tell their narrative, fuck the gameplay experience.

  • @devilman2197
    @devilman2197 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    my main complain so far is, the ultra setting behing locked by '' 16vram gpu'' that can be unlocked by turning a 1 to a 0 in a config file, and the weeeeeeird cinematic ''story'' for the afrikakorp

    • @guyincognito1406
      @guyincognito1406 ปีที่แล้ว

      Should’ve gone BB3 and required an online config file so users can’t use their machine at will.

  • @dannythehonestgamer6051
    @dannythehonestgamer6051 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    With the washed out colors the game looks like it takes place on the moon or something.

    • @mr.badguy8500
      @mr.badguy8500 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't know about you but when I travel where I live and it is clear and very sunny you can tell that colors through the eyes do get washed out. One can tell when you watch something through polarized glasses or through the naked eye.
      I do understand the complaint because this is a video game, but I just see it as part of the regional aesthetics since CoH2 maps all had this "darker" sky feel and the maps honestly all look muddy even at higher graphical settings. Even the snow "looked" muddy.

    • @NaderinZim
      @NaderinZim ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@mr.badguy8500 And despite this, it looked like battles were taking place in Europe during WWII and not on the moon or some alien planet.

    • @otavio8566
      @otavio8566 ปีที่แล้ว

      Funny, because earlier people were complaining that the game was too colorful

    • @mr.badguy8500
      @mr.badguy8500 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@otavio8566 That is very true. During the open beta the argument was "too cartoony" in colors. Now it is that looks like in Africa when the sun is out at noon.

  • @GameRexem
    @GameRexem ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ive been playing the company of heroes series since i was a kid, i have a years worth of experience in coh1 and 2, i was expecting coh3 to be triple A graphics like every game in 2023, im still going to to buy it because i wont leave it behind it was a great part of my life

  • @edsalmon6319
    @edsalmon6319 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm having lots of fun with this game, excited for the future of it as well.

  • @Khobotov
    @Khobotov ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The next dlc will be about the japanese resistance and how the germans commited warcrimes in Nanking.

  • @mrbigglezworth42
    @mrbigglezworth42 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So is this a softer version of the blatant historical revisionism EA and DICE did with Battlefield 5? Because it sounds like it is.

  • @Deadmmann
    @Deadmmann ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Blitzkrieg Mod is the Best CoH tbh...

  • @TheOis1984
    @TheOis1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    one minor detail that CoH3 misses is the kill count of each unit. Previously in CoH2 there is a number showing how many kills a unit has made and when you mouse over it, it gives a detail on how many infantry, vehicles, structures and friendlies killed by that certain unit.

    • @notamoonraker
      @notamoonraker ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus that unit in COH2 has useful unit historical description & strength-weakness. In COH3, it's a downgrade.

    • @TheOis1984
      @TheOis1984 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@notamoonraker i agree. actually i have found where they put the kill tally, but it is often bugged and inaccurate. at the end of every game, the unit kills and losses count is also feel strange.

  • @Jorendo
    @Jorendo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a good review, covered the points really well. So it's a 6 or a 7 kinda game. Not bad, not good, it's okay. Nothing wrong with that. It has things to improve on but it does things well.
    That they aren't able to make it as great as it once used to be also comes to the fact that barely anyone, if at all any, of the old team still works there. I know the lead designer (I believe he was the lead designer, at least some higher up) got killed in a car accident when a bunch of drunk or drugged up teens smashed their car into his, he managed to save his pregnant wife by making sure the other car was hitting him on his side, but he didn't survive sadly. That was around the time Space Marines was about to get released (the last proper game they made in my eyes). Ever since it went downhill with their games.
    The Dawn of War 3 thing was such a example of Developer entitlement and something we see to often these days. They mess it up, then blame the PAYING CUSTOMER for being entitled cause they complain about the game being broken or not good. They could and should have fixed issues, it wasn't beyond saving at all. Yeah the campaign structure sucked, so what, they could have released future campaigns that would do it differently. The multiplayer wasn't good as it tried to be a moba, yeah sucks, but again they could have added new multiplayer/skirmitch modes with ease. They did one patch to fix "things" and then focused purely on pushing out some new skins..whoopidooo. Not once did they listen to the community and then blamed the said community for not praising them for delivering a under performing pile of poop. Shame cause it was the end of the Dawn of War games, purely because of sheer incompetence and the unwillingness to listen to the community and to make things right.
    I hope CoH 3 does well and that they trully listen this time, to build up trust again with the community and maybe make a DoW 4 much like DoW 1 or DoW 2 (I prefered the first over the second but the second did well too).

  • @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin
    @Usammityduzntafraidofanythin ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know...
    1. Cardboard Cut-out Units, no towing or logistics
    2. Americans, British and a German faction consisting entirely of tanks, only. WW2 was only fought with tanks, but americans had infantry cause Band of Brothers, and british were gay.
    3. Lots of random one shotting.
    4. AA that can shoot an airplane on its landing strip 200km away, before it even takes off, because game mechanics make it so.
    5. If you lose one or two capture points that are of an important resource on the map, then there's no way you can get it back, unless you counter attack immediately. Otherwise, you lose.
    6. All units move super slowly, so that there's no way to defend except through pre-emptive unit positioning. Yeah, WW2 was a maneuver war, but forget about it.
    7. We don't need audio anymore, that was expensive. We lost the assets.
    8. Very expensive basic american units, even though america had the best war economy.
    9. Everything brown and gray, because war is supposed be grim, bro.
    10. Germans shouldn't have really good but expensive units (a classic RTS convention), because we have a unique(tm) balance philosophy.

  • @blackbaron6310
    @blackbaron6310 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    it can be saved only if they give FULL MOD SUPPORT. Stable game but limited compared to CoH1

  • @gunhojput
    @gunhojput ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thanks for the honest review arch, Now having played the likes of graviteam tactics and gates of hell ostfront and coh 1 back in the day this looks so antiquated so meeh! i doubt i will go anywhere near it and no doubt i will cast (scuse the pun) this series into the history books where it obviously belongs. its a shame because they could have put much more effort in and made something truly remarkable. love to all

  • @emperorkraglint9792
    @emperorkraglint9792 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It's really sad how RTS games were great once upon a time because you could do so much with so few resources.
    Now it just feels like the genre is dying. Are there any good examples of a good RTS that's come out recently? Maybe I've missed one

    • @ninochaosdrache3189
      @ninochaosdrache3189 ปีที่แล้ว

      Warno and Regiments are received very well.

    • @bananacabana2817
      @bananacabana2817 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ninochaosdrache3189 warns was definitely not received

    • @wtfbros5110
      @wtfbros5110 ปีที่แล้ว

      "dying"
      its dead buddy

    • @C0NSTANTINUS
      @C0NSTANTINUS ปีที่แล้ว

      Men of war 2 and call to arms

  • @Marinealver
    @Marinealver ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's just no more innovation in videogames because the only reward in games is well microtransactions, and that is just buying not playing.
    I'm telling you the 2nd AAA Videogame Industry Crash is upon us, we couldn't stop it but we were able to see it coming. The only thing next is to watch it play out, and see what we can do to continue to enjoy our hobby even if others no longer can.

    • @jaywerner8415
      @jaywerner8415 ปีที่แล้ว

      Surely it is already here yes?

  • @kcw1879
    @kcw1879 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My friend, a CoH 1 & 2 fanboy, disliked this one even before he found out they installed Denuvo. Now he hates it.

  • @valdezraptor970
    @valdezraptor970 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm still sad when they killed COHO, Company of Heroes Online, it had such potential and they killed it at start of the play for free game.

    • @kid4today1085
      @kid4today1085 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I was in shock that it failed. I probably would still be playing it to this day if they hadn't killed it.

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What RTS game is worth buying/playing anymore?

  • @cdfe3388
    @cdfe3388 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still remember the first time I played CoH 1 and clicked on a US Airborne squad while they were pinned down:
    “What the FUCK do you want?”

  • @justlolit
    @justlolit ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think your review is one of the most fair reviews I have seen so far. Too many people are what feels like crying at the game. It's not great but it's no way bad, sadly it's average.

  • @ErtaiCZ
    @ErtaiCZ ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just finished the KSP2 stream from yesterday and now this... so much Arch content :D

  • @ArcticChonk
    @ArcticChonk ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The UI makes the multiplayer experience unnecessarily frustrating. The big ass action boxes that appear on the top left corner as soon as anything happens are too big and will block your input if you try clicking anything behind them.
    The icons for the states of units (retreating, in action, idle, etc) are not pulsing like in Coh2 making it hard to notice what the hell is going on. It's very hard to see pings on the minimap for some reason, the tactical map looks like an intern made it and qued commands don't work there. As stated on the video you can't see your team mate's names and the team colours makes no sense at all. My team mate could be red and fighting a blue guy while I'm trying to understand why the hell I'm green. The audio mix is all over the place. I don't think there's an issue with the sounds per se, it's rather the volume levels being extremely off where the engine of a tank is much louder than its fricking machine guns, and the directional audio fooling you as to where things are actually happening.
    I'm pissed off.

  • @Eantrin
    @Eantrin ปีที่แล้ว

    My biggest pet peeve with CoH is the long ass turn times in campaign because I have to watch every single scout plane slowly fly to its destination. I can forgive the simple art style if the game is fun. I hate needing every turn to take 1-2 minutes because of spy planes when I know the AI already knows my every move because AI always cheats like that. It needs to.

  • @phantomjoker5
    @phantomjoker5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    God damn it relic...

  • @theshadowrose
    @theshadowrose ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats the song arch keeps using in these videos? Its cool.

  • @BMC2
    @BMC2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Got suspended for sharing a link to this review as the mods deem Arch to be an alt right troll who should not be shared on the official coh3 discord.
    Wokeism is going at it again.

    • @soldierorsomething
      @soldierorsomething ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WTF, maybe they should take their head out of their ass and really find out who Arch warhammer really is and not just believe whatever BS propaganda some people say about him

  • @starcoloneldunadansonoft501
    @starcoloneldunadansonoft501 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those are M1 Garands, not M14s.
    Otherwise, excellent review.

    • @soldierorsomething
      @soldierorsomething ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think he meant to say M1A1 carbine but who knows

  • @mrwillss5888
    @mrwillss5888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've enjoyed the game so far but I have some criticism, mainly the audio and to few maps at launch.

  • @Vinsoniguess
    @Vinsoniguess 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My problem with the coh games is the distance between units in combat. Everyone in a combat situation is neighbor distance, could hit enemies with a stick.

  • @hyperdimensionbliss
    @hyperdimensionbliss ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I dropped any interest in the game when playing the public MP flight was nothing but AFK "teammates" and standard AI cheating resources harder than expert AI does in CoH2, as well as it constantly abusing its fog of war cheat to backcap through even the slightest gap in your sightlines perfectly.

  • @swedichboy1000
    @swedichboy1000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And of course the camera zoom is non existent.

  • @Tarik360
    @Tarik360 ปีที่แล้ว

    One cool part of the Africa corps campaign is that during the missions you are basically led by Rommel himself lol.

  • @kid4today1085
    @kid4today1085 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm actualy shocked that anyone would prefer the new bullet sponge units rather than the more squishy reality of warfare (where one well placed grenade can take out several men, or one AP round to the engine would take out a light tank). This shift to arcade in a WW2 setting is just awful, and I find myself cringing. This might have been fun for casual gamers with the DOW series, but I think games based on real wars should focus more on realism, and that's why I much bid farwell to COH, and put my WW2 RTS hours into the Men of War / Call to Arms series' instead. They are much better games. RIP COH, it was fun (COH1-2).

  • @AMDiety
    @AMDiety ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Only played a few games and I am loving it

  • @rapedslime7040
    @rapedslime7040 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im so tired of Relic cheapening out on the german campaigns.
    How is it,that in 3 games + an arse load of addons we only ever got 1 decent one and it wasnt even the WM?!

  • @WokeYouTube
    @WokeYouTube ปีที่แล้ว +4

    last RTS I played was historically accurate ancestor's legacy made by a small polish game company dose Saxon Viking German and Slavic history better then well both modern west and America which lets be honest would royally mess it up with the usual woke nonsense was clearly inspired by company of hero's but still a great game in its own right

    • @RichardPhillips1066
      @RichardPhillips1066 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yup I don't really understand understand why serious gamers , into RTS , strategy ..Sims etc are even still bothering with AAA , those firms don't like you and don't care what you want , nor have the talent to do it

  • @smolpp585
    @smolpp585 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey arch! nice review, just curious though
    Will you be doing a review or playing Homeworld 3? I think you've mentioned the series a few times before and I'd be eager to see your take on that game too! :D

  • @Akehiko_Urabaya
    @Akehiko_Urabaya ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's just unfinished goyslop of a beta masquerading as a full game, we will need to wait for a few years for them to finish it

  • @UltimateTobi
    @UltimateTobi ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In short: stay away from CoH3.

  • @NBeaver-bx4yl
    @NBeaver-bx4yl ปีที่แล้ว

    Your review of this is absolutely spot on.
    All the problems can easily be patched over time, so thats good news for the longevity of the game

  • @smailmilak
    @smailmilak ปีที่แล้ว

    I am getting this game when/if it is patched properly. Not before.

  • @NBeaver-bx4yl
    @NBeaver-bx4yl ปีที่แล้ว

    Imo the game balance is quite bad, the bugs and lacking elements are annoying as hell.
    Just the fact that your stats at the end of the game are all bugged up and you don't have a player profile make the game feel unfinished.
    But these are all things that are easily fixable.
    Luckily for us, what makes the game good is that the core gameplay is absolutely awesome. And thus it's a really solid foundation to build upon.
    In a couple months with a couple patches, this will be a game that I will play a lot.

  • @Matherz4
    @Matherz4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have saved me some money thank you, I will be waiting for them to put it on sale

  • @ravenousawolf2938
    @ravenousawolf2938 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I missed you when your talking about wh40k but i wish they make a wh40k game your able to make your own character then chose your class i love the sisters of silence i have a questuon about them can they use power weapons i know power wepons focuses pyker powers but can the wepon focus blank powers that will be op

    • @Sorain1
      @Sorain1 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not all power weapons are tied to psykic powers. Your thinking of Force Weapons. A Power Weapon is just a melee weapon with a matter disrupting field (so it can cut through anything made of matter easily) while a Force Weapon is a normal weapon without being charged by a psyker using it. A psyker provides the power and a force weapon generates essentially the same matter disruption field as a Power Weapon.
      The 'Nemesis Force Weapons' are basically elementally anti-chaos tuned Force Weapons, and virtually only in the hands of the Grey Knights.
      As for weapons that focus Pariah/Blank anti-psyker properties? Null Weapons fit that role, such as the Null Rod. Depending on the writer a Pariah/Blank can use a normal Force Weapon to pull the same, but it's not very effective. See also Psyk Out Grenades and how they work.

    • @ravenousawolf2938
      @ravenousawolf2938 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Sorain1 so can a blank use a force weapon to enhance there powers like a psyker uses a force weapon. If a blank ises a force weapon would it become a null weapon to countal out the warp

  • @Chordus_Gaius
    @Chordus_Gaius ปีที่แล้ว

    Current Year. Yeah we are used to it.

  • @085darkstar
    @085darkstar ปีที่แล้ว

    Objective criticism , I felt like the music was a bit too loud in your video. It overpower your voice.

  • @Okami1313
    @Okami1313 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not having the Italians is a travesty. I could understand if they couldn't make a viable faction with the weapons the Italians used in the war, they didn't exactly have the most cutting edge tanks, but I can beat the AI with just the units from the Italian combined arms units, and that's with a minute cool down between deployments of the bersaglieri. Unacceptable

  • @pimenator6650
    @pimenator6650 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video ❤ and good points !!

  • @EternalModerate
    @EternalModerate ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would relic not have revolutionized the genre 3 times? First w/ Homeworld?

  • @driiifter
    @driiifter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not buying CoH3 (60$ is too much imo) for the same reason I didn't buy Starcraft 2. It's an uglier visual downgrade and the sound is downgraded. I saw a review where the guy was pointing out the sound difference and I was like nope, that's a deal breaker.
    A lot of the reason I play RTS is for the atmosphere and immersion, I love the constant sound of explosions and tanks rolling and autos bursting. Why would I spend 60$ for a downgrade? It makes no sense. I literally just went and downloaded CoH 1 Blitzkrieg.
    I will pick up CoH3 when it's 20$.

  • @razgriz9714
    @razgriz9714 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gotta ask... whats the difference between
    THQ Relic and Sega Relic
    Considering CoH1 is under the THQ Relic before it went bankrupt and Sega Relic picked the franchise out and gave out CoH2?

  • @Lore-94
    @Lore-94 ปีที่แล้ว

    Northern Italy(R.S.I) fought with the germans till the very end of Mussolini
    See Junio Valerio Borghese Xª MAS

  • @Blatadaba
    @Blatadaba ปีที่แล้ว

    I just don't know why it's so zoomed in

  • @Umbra_TuSlayer
    @Umbra_TuSlayer ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe we should insist on mod support then...

  • @CHESTNUT246
    @CHESTNUT246 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dawn of war 3 is what killed most of my hype train pre ordering phase. now i just wait for reviews to see if a game is worth buying, at least most of the time.

  • @ronnibech3376
    @ronnibech3376 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    to be honest visual designs does not mean a lot to me same with sounds 🤔 the mechanizes , gameplay and story is more important
    A great gameplay loop can forgive a lot of things from me 😅 even a subpar story.

    • @jonathansibrian695
      @jonathansibrian695 ปีที่แล้ว

      Play panzer general 1 then if visual desings are of no concern

    • @ronnibech3376
      @ronnibech3376 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathansibrian695 I have I played it even when it came out back in 1994 1995 ?
      Got it along with Age of Wonder and Warlords 3 Dark Reign I think.
      I do also play the Fantasy General series too 😹 but my greats addiction of those currently is Dominion 5

  • @SpajN-tf9rk
    @SpajN-tf9rk ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand how they could let both visual and audio effects be so poor it even hurts gameplay. I can't tell whats going on when various gunfire and audio effects doesn't tell me whats going on. AT weapon on infantry squads has barely any special visual or strong audio effects when firing so many times i can't even understand my tanks are taking damage from AT infantry. Same thing with machine guns, they sound so muffled that i don't understand they are suppressing my squads.
    Aircraft strafes and various explosions effects look so poor i would be ashamed if i recommended my friends to buy this.

  • @cynicalmedic252
    @cynicalmedic252 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there the Nisei 442nd Regiment & can I Banzai them?

  • @deejayxcrypt
    @deejayxcrypt ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like the usual. Devs show the “Plan 1: What we need to do to make everyone happy”. The plan goes over the budget and instead Devs are required to assure that a plan with lower budget might still, at least potentially, have some parts liked the audience or potentially a new audience.
    Then we get a game like this or DoW3 (or a bunch of other examples). The best games ever are done with a high percentage of FREE LABOUR because devs just are too excited about the whole project.
    Or… Some higher up boss just wants everything to be done “this way, instead of that way” and even giving it a high budget. Then blames the Devs when the end product still s**ks.

  • @Vpaid
    @Vpaid ปีที่แล้ว

    Homeworld. You forgot to mention Homeworld.

  • @jeice13
    @jeice13 ปีที่แล้ว

    (Based on the title) the good thing is graphics seem to be one of the easier things to mod over

  • @sethkazzim731
    @sethkazzim731 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you live in the UK? Your accent is quite unique 😊

  • @TheHej2
    @TheHej2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's see how it works. Relick has lost some fate, will they restore it?

  • @jimboniusmaximus6018
    @jimboniusmaximus6018 ปีที่แล้ว

    My god, this music you have playing in the background. I couldn’t make it though. The constant ringing was giving me a headache.

  • @AlbanAwan
    @AlbanAwan ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One of my issues is the Axis don't get the dynamic campaign

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm suprised they haven't petition to have Axis and Allies board games banned.

  • @AlphaAurora
    @AlphaAurora ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah, why the Italian Resistance, when Allied Italy fielded an entire military in the field. They made up 1/8th of the fighting force, and 1/4 of the total troops in Italy.
    Heck, if you want a really obscure reference, highlight the Polish, South Africans and Brazilians in Italy!

    • @NaderinZim
      @NaderinZim ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are probably too busy doing their whole "historical revisionism" companies are so fond of this days.

  • @KirKanos01
    @KirKanos01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No, just no. After what has been shown and how the final product will be, no. RELIC has lost a lot of trust and now they come up with something like that. I mean, nice that after "years" they finally added certain things, but the end product is just soulless, like playing with plastic soldiers in the backyard.

  • @tzardnickolasthelitromanov
    @tzardnickolasthelitromanov ปีที่แล้ว +2

    COH 3 was overall meh to me at best, however it was _definitely_ better than DOW3 here. ((But that's not really saying much as DOW3 broke the bottom of the barrel))
    The America Campaign was okay ((although I have a few gripes with it, like portraying the Italian Partisans as not hardcore communists but average every-day good boah joes and the missing involvement of the crime families that played quite the role in the Italian invasion and the surrender))
    But COH 3's German Campaign was perhaps the worst in the series, in all regards to the other previous german campaigns.
    Complete Cringe on all fronts in my opinion.
    No original stories ((A very big missed opportunity to have Römmel's own personal in-depth perspective on the front)),
    a made-up "inspired" story that has really no claims and also enables unfounded, unproven (and untrue) claims about the African theatre.
    A biased perspective ((from ironically the opposite side of what you are playing as)).
    And underhanded low-key smears about historical figures like Römmel inserted in it.
    It's a complete disgrace.
    if you ever have at all played COH 1's German Campaign's you'll know what I mean here.
    (A Unbiased perspective, real stories/tales from German Soliders and officers from France and Market Garden. with 0 smears inserted in them).

  • @majorballshack9722
    @majorballshack9722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not giving them money until they offer an acceptable product. The gaming community has been burned over and over. It's sad they can't deliver at least the same level of graphics they had 10 years ago.

  • @eichler721
    @eichler721 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well I was expecting alot worse but it look decent. I might play

  • @chrishoopiiaina5368
    @chrishoopiiaina5368 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dislike the me to story line when playing as Africa Korps I would like to play the campaign without being told between each mission they are the bad guys

  • @RichardPhillips1066
    @RichardPhillips1066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    People should NOT buy this and assume the issues will be fixed, thats fools hope with AAA now

  • @declaration9704
    @declaration9704 ปีที่แล้ว

    ✏✏✏ NNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTH ✏✏✏

  • @jaywerner8415
    @jaywerner8415 ปีที่แล้ว

    "The para troopers work the bolts of their m14s".....Um Arch, the m14 was made AFTER ww2, lol. Their probably using M1 Carbines and yes they are semi automatic so that is dumb on their part. I can't remember if the US military got desegregated after ww2 or not (i should im a history nerd for god sake), but im pretty sure it still was till WW2 ended. Hence movies like Red Tails or Stories like how the Germans executed that Black Artillery battalion in the Battle of bulge.
    To be fair to the Italians, their military KINDA SUCKED, ether via lack of resources (fuel for the navy for example), they had maybe 1 or 2 good tanks/Tank Destroyers depending on your point of view. Although from what iv heard they had some pretty nice STUFF but as noted, lack of resources to actually use it.

  • @spooie1350
    @spooie1350 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should i get this game or will it die in a few weeks?

  • @CerealSuper
    @CerealSuper ปีที่แล้ว

    @Arch it’s not 2013 anymore 1080p for a game review is unacceptable. I love your content but I can’t watch this video due to aforementioned 😢

  • @RichardPhillips1066
    @RichardPhillips1066 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wokes everything has to about victimisation , there's no escape from being lectured

  • @duckman12569
    @duckman12569 ปีที่แล้ว

    *clickclickclickclickclickclickclick*
    Gotta get those APM up, those are noobie numbers