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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- We've already talked about the Shadow Queen, now it's about time we talk about the... Light... king? anyway it's wagstaff dontstarve. I hope you enjoy my theory!! Lemme know if I missed anything or got anything wrong or maybe even if you guys have your own takes on this old man!!!
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Wagstaff is literally Gru. He has his Minions (us) and wants to steal the Moon (its power)
All of you are forgetting something... The Aporkalypse Calendar in Hamlet. Don't forget what Wagstaff has to say about it... "Wonderful! I wonder if I could make the world end sooner."
Oh my gosh. Thank you for this information SHEESH This man is. Well adjusted :)
I personally think Wagstaff is a more neutral aligned character, only really in it for himself and scientific progress. He does not want the world to end for the sake of ending the world, he wants the world to end so he could study its effects and potentially reverse it or at least use it to come out on top. Wagstaff is pretty much like a cosmogenesis empire from the video game Stellaris.
Some things I wanted to add:
- Throughout the entire WX short, you can see different bits of the portal they make.
- Because of how time basically does what it wants in the Constant, Wagstaff most likely projected into the world after Maxwell began his reign, hence why the forest exists and Max's line: "There wasn't much when I got here."
- Wagstaff definitely invented the Voxola radio himself, as when he sees it on the divining rod, he is suprised.
- You can see Wagstaff sporting both the walking cane and pocket watch he stole in the exposition clip.
- Wagstaff's motives are said to be to "change the world" in the name of "progress".
Instead of chasing the moon Wagstaff should chase some freaky bs
what if instead of wagstaff he was named freakystaff and instead of making radios he made-
"today we will steal the moon" wagstaff probably
Freakstaff be like: FEETola industries
Funny
freakstaff is gonna become a community meme bruh
The fact that this old man actually might have the key to rescuing all the survivors, yet refuses to offer them any help (and in fact is likely trying to hide from most of them save for Wilson) is like the biggest red flag that this man is just straight up evil. I'll take my chances with The Shadow Queen over him anyday.
(btw love the new Wagstaff theory vid this slaps!)
Evil old man...
(thank you for your kind words like always, always a pleasure!!)
I have a different proposal - better take your chances with Daywalker instead! He may be greedy, and powerhungry, yes! but he doesn take the side of the moon, ot Them, which would be THE WAY to get betrayed. Most certainly, founder and the queen will reap the consequenses too, if you side with them. With Werepig? The pork would have TO BE on a side to get betrayed! A Wildcard as described on one of the dev streams, I believe. I think they said there will be branching in interactions with him? this one I'm really unsure about, but... After you rescue the werepig for second time, he's non-agressive, so one can only hope you'll be able to properly side with him, and not be a piece on a board where both players are horrific eldrich monstosities.
Wagstaff: Dont Starve
Mystery solved
Funie
Honestly, i think you missed the biggest thing. Wagstaff's hair turns gray, ingame he is having a stomach problems, and worse eyesight. Experiments he was doing with WX-78, is mechanical immortality, but side effect of loosing emotions is bad trade so…
Wagstaff is seeking the ways to reverse old age. Death is still a territory of unknown, and it's terrifies him. You pointed out that pieces of crown is bottomless well of energy.
Imagine that Wagstaff is want to become some kind of immortal deity. Or like how in TF2, Redmond and Blutarch, was long living via constant injections of australium. But now it's a moon energy.
Bruh, that would be crazy if i cracked the DST lore😂
Wanda really should be careful around Wagstaff, since she has a clock that reverses her aging :v
I don't think waggstaff is doing anything other than for the purpose of research, he doesn't seems like a "bad" guy, just an inconsiderate one, doing whatever he wants on the name of knowledge and progress, after all, the worse kind of villains are not the ones that know they are doing wrong and don't care, but the ones that believe they are going a good deed and the means justify the end
Exactly. I wouldn't say he's evil directly, just incredibly selfish and greedy :)
I personally see him as being like the Big MT scientists. Dangerous, brilliant, more than a little crazy but misguided and can’t see the forest for the trees.
I frankly think he could be a good person, if tougher characters kept him under adult supervision.
I feel like Wagstaff escaped through Wilson's portal as it is seen to still be functioning in his rework short
- Wagstaff is not a warcriminal
Wagstaffs dark sword examination line "Dark fuel forged into a fascinating weapon! It's miiitary aplications are endless!", more like not a warcriminal, yet
I honestly headcanoned that Wagstaff was using the lunar energy to become immortal since it was capable of reviving things, and he's already pretty old. It wouldn't be all that out there for him to figure out how to stabilize it and make himself live forever as the bridge between worlds.
Wilson went through a portal to get to the constant and didn’t need one on the constant side to arrive. Maybe you don't need an active portal on both sides to travel
I don't think Wagstaff is after money or fame honestly, it seems like money is just means to an end for him. He wants more knowledge, and he's deeply interesting in tinkering with weirder and weirder stuff. This is not the kind of guy who would sell a super weapon to a nation, this is the kind of guy who would fire his super weapon at random to see what happens if he thinks he can get away with it.
That's pretty much my interpratation, he's extremely curious but also egotistical and doesn't really care if his experiments have consequences for anyone else than himself.
Edit to fix a missclick
I love that part where he says "It's staffing time!" and wags his staff all over the place
Please sir no wagging your staff in public grounds...
@@BiddoBamss staff police put your hands up
please god no
@@BiddoBamss Remember to ask for consent before you wag someone's else staff.
Wagstaaaff, put ya staff away wagstaaaff
16:00
another explanation for this would come from don't starve itself
playing as wagstaff he starts off looking completely normal and non holographic like in some shorts, until he starts taking damage becoming more grainy like his dst in game appearances and certain shorts
it's very likely that his recent appearances in the constant are all just holograms
W a g s t a f f d o n t s t a r v e
I recently bought hamlet just to play this guy. There is something really appealing of an old crazy scientist that is so fascinated with everything.
As much as I think the man deserves jail time, he is fun and interesting, both gameplay wise and lorewise :)
you need hamlet for wagstaff??
i could play him before i bought it somehow
@@T0HK_Boi because he goes with ds and not with dlc
@T0HK_Boi I bought hamlet because I'm so used to dst that ds would me make me feel like I'm playing something unfinished, hamlet is unique.
@@diegohinojosa3049 oooh yeah that makes sense, cuz like don't starve and rog feel like beta versions to dst
If he can bring things out of the constant that means he could theoretically save the survivors
He could!! He just doesn't want to because they're not useful that way. He's a SICKO
Would the survivors want to leave tho? Besides, by the time you meet Wagstaff in person, you probably have the lunaar portal up and running
@@BiddoBamss
I think Webber's short has an important detail that was missed.
The spider that merged with human Webber created current Webber. Why was the spider trapped in a mechanical display case? Why was there purple sparks coming out of the spider just after it was broken free from the case to interact with the real world?
I believe that Wagstaff was able to take things from the Constant into the real world, but those objects and creatures would be unstable to directly interact with. Maybe Wagstaff was studying and experimenting with Lunar as a possible stabilizing agent or just a more stable power source for the portals between worlds.
Wagstaff could have been reminded of his failed automaton project due to seeing WX-8. The original automatons were probably shadow-based tech, but now he could ticker with Lunar-based tech. If I remember correctly, in one short, projector Wagstaff noticed WX-8 and decided to look at old plans after he returned to the real world.
@@draggofroot9023 Warly and Wilson at least seem to want to get out - some of Warly's quotes, such as for examining a Gestalt, say he wants to return home to his mother. And for Wilson, off the top of my head I can only remember the loading screen tip saying that he still hopes there is a way out - that is only marked "-W", so it could really be almost anyone, but the writing style implies it is him; and though I don't have a source, a lot of people mention Wilson specifically as wanting to escape the Constant.
@@BiddoBamsshere’s an idea, if Wendy and maxwell could figure a way to send signals outside the constant then of all people Jack Carter could be the key to their freedom.
Simply put for all of wagstaffs brilliance I’m pretty sure he can still be intimidated by the police and a father who lost his brother and both of his daughters.
Love what you are doing with the channel!
Mixing gameplay, challenges and now lore is always a treat, reminds me of 0rangE and Slasher but with your own style of course
I love it too! I'm having such a great time
Wilson: for science! :D
Wagstaff: for science) :)
More like "science for me"
"Why is the old man evil?"
"Yes"
He's evil because he's an old man. Hope that helps xx
WX78 human name is Wexter, Wex for short
me and my friends have concluded that wagstaff is trying to become a god
Wagstaff as a war criminal would be a very interesting plot twist
I don't ever see that happening, I was just spitballing... But anythings possible with this wiley old man!
Wagstaff is going to create a new war crimen involving shadow fuel xD
I love dont starve together but MAN the lore is crazy
So crazy :)
@@BiddoBamss insane lol
Don't Starve's lore has and always will fascinate me. It's such a good story, keep up the good work by the way.
1:58 ofc it was made in Ohio. Everything is so clear now
god intelligent characters are fucking terrifying.
Like they basically fucking ignore power scaling as a whole when you think about it. They can do godly shit and with minimal effort. Wagstaff is capable of basically astral projection, can traverse worlds, knows how to make in theory infinite energy. Like bro is basically a fucking god
All of this and he can't eat unprepared food. His one weakness...
@@BiddoBamss hey hey, professionals have standards
Love your video! Wagstaff is so facinating to me!
As for what wagstaff don't starve is planing with the lunar material, I would be betting quite alot of spools it's the same thing he was planning to do with the dark sword... military use.
Ohhh interesting! I was wondering abt this guy haha.
Him being able to come and go and never telling anyone/saving anyone else is so casually cruel, but it's really consistant as a character beat for him, huh? Damn.
It so interesting to me how much Charlie and Wagstaff contrasts each other. Despite being the queen of the constant and often depicted as a monster, Charlie still clings to her humanity and does unconventional act of mercy from time to time, especially to Maxwell and Winona. A good example would be from the short "Hide and Seek" where she helped Wendy and Winona find Abigail.
On the other hand, Wagstaff is human but is selfish, he does altruistic acts to benefit him like seen from his short "Projector" where he "helps" the victims of a crumbling building only to steal from them, especially the guy trapped in rubble who he left for dead to save the projector.
DST really needs more videos about its hidden lore! Another masterpiece of theory from you!
Also loved the charlie video too!
Small detail, The spider in Webber short have same particles as Monkey island Portal
18:39 Yes he is. Of course he is.
I knew it....
Personally I think Wagstaff is in the Constant. Mainly because of "Them", sure They may have not been able to do anything agaisnt Wagstaff while he was projecting into the Constant but after Winona short he was physically present in the constant likely for the first time.
"They" seem to be a near omnipotent force able to interact with the Constant and those within it however They please. Tearing Pugna from the Throne trapping him and his followers in the forge, and while I'm not certain I've heard that the Gnaw destroying the civilization in the Gorge was also another instance of Their manipulation. And if the stage play is anything to go by, while Maxwell as King was able to trap/greatly weaken Them. Even then he was still to some degree under Their influence.
So I'm skeptical that Wagstaff found a way to just freely travel from the Constant to the Earth. However I think he's still able to travel to various parts of the Constant hence why he's still projecting his way onto the Main Island. (If I remember corectly) Wagstaff was introduced in DS Hamlet so maybe that's where he initially ended up after being dragged into his portal at Voxsola. He has his main base on the Pleatue and other bases dotted around the diffrent parts of the Constant.
I could be wrong as my favorite character Wortox is able to travel to what ever dimension he pleases. But it seems his powers were unlocked after the absorbed Krampus's soul, plus examining the portal in the Archives as Wortox reveals he came through it. So it could be argued that after he came through it he was trapped till the incident with Krampus.
im not gonna lie this is a very solid theory video. these plus slashers videos are always great watches :>
BiddoBams: Game theory did not cover don't starve, so i did it myself
I have some theories
1: He isn't saving anyone, cause the shadows more or less are unaware of him or can't track him down, and he fully well know they can reach out and take things in to the constant, plus once your are there, it would seemed you are marked, if u leave they will know exactly where u are. Better to leave every thing as it is and work on a full proof plan.
2: Maybe he is from there, and escaped the events, (maybe as a child). would explain is sneaky behaviors, and stealing things of worth, trying to acquire what he need for his plans to save or destroy the place.
3: Some time traveler, Didn't Maxwell have a radio to?.
I appreciated this video, but I disagree with a few points. The main thing that I disagree with is that he is the most dangerous; I think it is Wortox. That point, while I do believe, is not what I want to get at, though. I do not believe that the Moon Quay portal was his way back home for a few reasons. A) He is holographically sailing away from it(which you noted) and B) the power source for that portal is more than just reminiscent of the lunar energy which he gathers from the defeated Celestial Champion. Also, I think it would be a good idea to check all quotes related to him and his doings if you haven't done so already. Those were the main subjects I wanted to discuss. Again, I found the video to be enjoyable.
To argument the theory of how wagstaff made a way back to the real world even with the original portal destroyed, you can possibly discard the "he had another portal built somewhere" idea and suggest the "nightmare fuel on his machinery" hipothesis.
From the very Constant itself, he'd be able to get nightmare fuel with ease to build the portal, and since he'd already made buildings containing nightmare fuel on the real world, you can possibly think that the portal on the moon quay beach has made him return to the real world via his inventions.
This idea is further expanded by seeing how most survivors went to the Constant due to going near or tampering with Wagstaff's constructions, which had just the fuel that Maxwell could use to interact with the real world while in the Constant. as examples, Warly was turned into a survivor by the time he was caught by Maxwell from his gramophone, much like Walter, but through a radio (the Voxola PR-76).
Don't forget that on the Projector Animated Short, we could see his old equipment in his basement such as the Gramophone itself, and while going back to the real world by the holes of a radio would be considerably weird (the holes are too tiny, but Walter proved possible), the Gramophone has a large hole of which a human could possibly (I guess?) climb inside, therefor spitting Wagstaff from the hole after the dimension hop right back to the safety of his basement, allowing him to leave that place and go to the secret laboratory for further experiments.
Unless those old equipment didn't had nightmare fuel or weren't working, which means he would then have to return to the real world through other eletronics that are spread around the world.
10/10 theory, instant sub! Can’t wait to binge all your videos, thank you for making quality content!
I wonder how indifferent he is, because he seemed to be the one who insisted on empathy module.
Oh yeah, good point!
thank you for teaching me about roberto le wagstafino. very appreciated.
no problem :)
Just putting suggestions but you should make a video on all survivors and their roles/relationships to the survivors and how they contribute to their team
I for sure wanna do something like that :)
@BiddoBamss if you do end up making it, hope you have fun while doing it ;)
15:27 I feel like that since when he built the portal on his side, it manifested said portal on the other side. So maybe like reverse engineering the same portal again on the other side it could manifest a portal back to the real world.
Oh no, Wagstaff is gonna create the first nuke.
A load screen once told me that time ebbs and flows all willy nilly in the constant. Perhaps one could use that to become younger or even immortal. Hopping between the Constant and the real world at the right moment. Some connection to Wanda being there as well, I'm sure. Wagstaff may be using her as an experiment subject.
If it IS Wagstaff going through the portal, shouldn't he still be wearing one yellow rubber glove while playing as him, given that the other was pulled off? Or did I miss something here?
Yeah I was contemplating mentioning the whole glove thing. Ingame, he has none, but in some animated shorts, he has yellow ones on. Subtle clues or... he brought extra gloves!
nah honestly wagstaff definitely sounds like the type to be a war criminal if it means getting money
excited for the timeline video! Just subscribed and hoping to see it in the future.
Thank you so much :)
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Wagstaff is just playing don't starve in his basement
6:12 GERMAN EMPIRE ! German empire mentioned, Wagstaff is bringing back the monarchy with this one 🔥🔥🔥
We know that time is inconsistent in the Constant. What if he hasn't yet (from the Constant's perspective) developed a way back, and that is why he's made things like the Unnatural Rift on the Moon Quay?
The factor portal was destroyed, but the one WX-78 went through might still be functional
Love what you are doing with your channel!
Mixing gameplay, challenges and now lore is always nice to see, reminds me of 0rangE and Slasher
a man who collects and experiments with clockwork, has access to the constant, has machinery built using it's parts, who looks miraculously younger
and a woman, who uses shadow infused clockwork to affect time, especially her age.
A puzzle with obvious connection, and yet still missing vital pieces.
Wagstaff's Portal in the constant could have linked to the portal Wilson was tricked into making, I am pretty sure there's a short where he's Infront of it
15:46 my guess is it was Wilson's portal as it was likely the only other portal in the real world so it just assumed that was its link and poof entering without breaking he used it was his new base
15:48 or, since the portal was no longer grounded in one spot, Wagstaff was forced to make a tear instead. A portal with no stability, that after he leaves, it creates a collapse, and starts pulling in energies from other places, since it’s now able to access any other adjacent realms. I don’t think he has more than one portal, I think he had the one, that had the power to go to DST, and then he grounded it. After losing the anchor in reality, the portal in DST just started going haywire. That’s my take, anyway
16:17 In the game, the more damage you take, the more interference you see. I think he just had a lot of HP.
Wagstaff Don’t starve Fennel 😂
WAGSTAFF DON’T STARVE
if you look at the silhouette of the person being sucked into wagstaff's portal, you'll notice wagstaff's characteristic wild and sharp hair style is absent from this silhouette. even if this was intended to be wagstaff, klei would have botched the silhouette hard - though i will also admit, the hair style does not resemble the silhouette of any character's hair, except maybe walter, warly, or wanda, as it's a rounded and lumpy style
Wagstaff. Clinical, and a excellent liar.
I think he is still in the constant but unable to get out but he can still project himself
Love these videos man keep it up 👍
Thank you so much :D I'll try!
What if the real wagstaff was the friends we made along the way
Can you talk about the DLC characters from the previous games? Like what are their roles in the story?
I’m not arguing against this but I have an alternate explanation for how Wagstaff left, the things in solo they literally say “you escaped” after their used and reminded whose technology is used to locate them?
Wagstaff is what Wilson wishes he was
But no point in saving anyone just yet, taking things out of the constant always leads to a conflict in the real world of bigger consequences.
Then if he build a portal to enter, it wasn't connected to anything, portals seem 1 way, maybe having 2 makes it easier to tune to a location.
I will never understand why people like this old man and defend him, he's worse than Maxwell
I like him but I know he's a villain.
I feel like Maxwell was a good man that kinda fell into the wrong crowd with that evil book. Wagstaff has been greedy and selfish since day 0!
I don't know, maybe he wants to wipe the slate clean, or maybe begin again or sumthin
I don’t think Wagstaff can bring anything out of the constant, at lest nothing stable, look at the energy around the spider, it’s the same as the rift at Moonque, maybe thats way it fused with Webber, to stabilize in the real world. I think Wagstaff wants to bring fully stable things out of constant, that’s why he is building all those portals.
I also don’t think he has ever been personally into the constant, the person Winona try’s to save doesn’t have the same silhouette as wagstaff, and his projection only gets grainy when on low sanity, so those few clips of him ungrainie must just be him with high sanity.
Waxstaff actually made the clockworks as it says from shipwreck that the boat ones that he made them better than his other experiments. My thoery is that he made them for a war underground against the shadow creature for the moon and that explains the war underground and why it was abandoned. Plz make a video of this.
hey BiddoBams, can you make theory on how story of don't starve as a whole would end?
Bro why is the one pit stop between the regular world and the constant the banana dimension
Whatif he can project himself while being in the constant i mean what would stop it so maybe he just has a labolatory there maybe even the portal from archives but we can only wait and find out
I think just wants power and It could be new to him too and could be doing research or sense intelligence is an addiction so if your looking for power why not have the one rooted in intelligence be your hyper fixation
I think he just wants to exploit everything in the constant and everyone without caring about what happens to them
Simple answer: SCIENCE!!!
His goal is to harvest the constant for its OIL
True American
I feel like i saw someone say that the solo and dst versions of the constant are seperate timelines or universe or something, and for some reason wagstaff is stuck in the solo world, only able to project himself into the dst constant
that theory is disproved by a wilson and maxwell comic where they build a portal and connect all the survivors bc charlie messed with it
basically i think all constants were separate until wilson and maxwell connected them
18:01 Shadows could create A FRKN APOCALYPSE, which will make every lifeform a feral beast version of itself, and even scare out such a powerful creature as BFB, indeed could revive you (touch stones, life giving amulet as an example, they all drop nightmare fuel) give you a magic abilities, like shooting fire, ice, deconstructing items, magicaly replace item needed for the craft , mind control you, and probably do way more dangerous stuff then i just say
Oh absolutely :) But for Charlie, I feel she wants to keep her domain to her own little world. But Wagstaff is actively trying to launder the shadow magic into the real world because he's old... or something valid...
@@BiddoBamssidk i think he is trying to make a breakthrough to conquer the world by himself
poor characters, Bought rádios with shadow technology and the shadows manipulated the technology to bring them to the constant, not the intention of wagstaff I think
WAGDSTAFF DON'T STARVE?!?!?!
my head cannon is that real wagstaff and his holographic projection are two entities now, separated by the powers of the constant, akin to a man and his shadow being separated.
wagstaff is a very dangerous kind of scientist, we know this from hamlet, he seems fascinated with shadow magic and its applications regardless of the harm they could do, he is the kind of man that thinks the nuclear bomb was marvelous ignoring the suffering it caused, just cares about the science and money.
wagstaff is too selfish to be a good guy, but...what about wanda? wanda knows more than she leads on considering his quotes, her time manipulation could be key to understand what is wagstaff up to
I agree with all of this! Maxwell was nefarious, Wagstaff is a powerful man with no morals, which is arguably more dangerous!
it's just a theory WAGGSTAFF THEORY
I've got one problem about how wagstaff got out iirc wasn't the moon quay portal activated by CC's power?
Good point! Maybe Wagstaff was stuck in the constant until the piece of the moon fell? Or maybe he got somefrom the lunar archive? :)
@@BiddoBamss maybe the sentrys but I think he got out in a different way not shown yet
His name is Robert?
I like wagstaff tho, he's epic
Bobby Wagstaff
"The one thing more evil than weapons; Capitalism."
BiddoBams
holy shit dilf lore!!1!!1!
Don'tstarvetogther Is Lore Frickyeah...
@@BiddoBamss don't 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 together lore
wdym "Wx and transhumanism", he is literally a human trapped inside a robot because of Wagstaff
Wagstaff don’t starve
Wag
The devil himself
The man behind the slaughter...
estrogen couldve saved him
Wagstaff is a scam artist
Criminal, sentence him to the chair for his transgressions...
bought hair dye after his companies sucess?? why are you in such bad faith- stop making things up to justify what you believe and instead actually just l;ook at the evidence an put it together. as if id subscribe to someone as easily bias as you.
of all the nonsense i spouted, THATS what you got caught up on the most? damn, my foolproof theory has crumbled!! D:
why u calling biddo baseless when the only baseless thing i see is ur mom after im done with her