@@gregbailey45 No what I mean is that GM always follows the crowd shortsightedly. It gave up on EVs even when it was first here with the EV-1 because no one else was doing it so it must be dumb, doh. It minimized Tesla's success with the Model S because everyone else was doing it and stuck its head in the sand like everyone else. 2013 was the year to start serious R&D but this did not happen. It rushed into EVs around COVID time (2021) because everyone else was doing the same and overspent on R&D. There is a time value to R&D that you can't make up with money yet GM tried anyway. GM has no vision that it has the guts to stick to and Bob Lutz's quote is just one proof of many in GM's history. Yes, Mary Barra is guilty of the same.
When you don't own the robotaxi it doesn't matter what it looks like so long as it gets to you quickly and coveys you without drama to your location. You haven't seen disruption yet.
Japanese small made sales after the oil embargo because the 3 made their 4 cylinder engines with cast iron cranks and rods just like their V8s. But the 4 cylinders had to rev higher for longer cruising on the e-way. 100k and done. Honda and Toyota came from high revving small engines with forged parts that could survive the revs for 2-3 times longer even with an added turbo.
Q. Do you ever have any guests under 40 years old? Lots of them out there that, may not be so set in their ways and / or deep into the ICE and oil pockets. 😊
@buntnik I'm almost 65. Drove pickups like Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado, and my last three were Toyota Tundras Limited pickups. Sold the Toyota in November 2018 and bought a Tesla and bought another one in May 2022. I will never own another ICE vehicle again. Some younger people may bring a different opinion 🤔
The price of gas here in Vancouver Canada just went up to five dollars US for one US gallon. I really feel for the contractors making the way their way around to various jobs and having to pay these high prices for the fuel seems to me they can't waitto dump the pump and preference for a plug-in pick up at a reasonable cost. Sitting down and doing the math might just sway them to at least get a hybrid.
Here in California, Oakland gas is around $5, it was higher before. Here one third of the cars are EV, I just got a 2011 Nissan Leaf, utility company pge paid 4k rebate. Fed tax rebate was 30 percent. I paid $2800. Charge it only on solar.
I enjoyed watching Henry attempt to steer all conversation on EV to CAFE and government regulations. You know he's been lecturing his wife to greater effect at home. Autoline gave that about as much attention as an errant fart.
The guy needs to give it a break. We are interested in informed opinions which he can and does give when he can take a break from his personal ideology rants.
Said this on the last video, I find the idea of automakers collaborating an interesting one. Obviously makes sense for when one group is significantly behind in development, like with Honda and GM. But this story shows more benefits than that. For example, multiple automakers might use the same factories and components to take advantage of IRA tax incentives for production and components. If volumes are low for a while, this might help keep factories busy and decrease costs - keeping jobs open and profits reasonable. And all the while, companies can work on the next home iterations of their tech, using lessons learned from the partnerships, without having to commit to the first try all in
Prolog is Honda’s first EV? I don’t think so. Remember the EV Plus from the 1990’s? How about the Fit EV from the 2000’s? How about the recent Honda Clarity BEV?
It's the first production EV specific design. Ev plus was an experimental vehicle (300 produced) Fit EV was another esperimental product with a liomited production run just over 1000. Clarity was a FCV. Clarity EV was only available on lease and it was canceled on low demand.
Crazy to me that out of all the Powertrain makers, Honda picked GM. Even if you don’t like Elon Musk, there are lots of Chinese Powertrain makers that objectively have a better EV track record than GM.
Car design obsolescence: Some decades ago, I had an engineer for one of the major Detroit manufacturers he went scuba diving with me every year. We used to serve free rum and coke after the last dive and too old and old saying "in vino veritas". So someone asked "why don't cars last as long as he used to?". The answer from the engineer was, new engineers were asked to attend an orientation and they were informed what their designs had to be, such as a certain lifespan One cheeky engineer asked "what if we could design a part that lasts longer at lower cost?" The reply was "DON'T DO THAT! Because replacing in parts are how we make our money. Sounds familiar? Scientia Habet Non Domus. (Knowledge Has No Home) antiguajohn
I'm not a fan boy, but every time I see an outlet not discussing something is probably because of a conflict of interest. On the other hand, I have no stock in tesla and could care less.
Lot of folks have a crew cab for a long trips running on gasoline but for just running around town they want a cheap inexpensive vehicle that has 40 mi of range. My great great grandmother had a Franklin electric running on let acid batteries and she never went more than five or six blocks at a time and it was perfect for her
At one point in the discussion someone asked, I can’t remember word for word “who wants an EV”? I had a think 🤔, and decided that the question is really not that at all. It’s more like, “what does the average consumer want their vehicle to be able to do, performance, longevity, features, cost of running and availability of fuel, liquid or electric, and maintenance and ease of repair and reliability and resale value etc etc etc. The question is increasingly not, ICE or hybrid or plugin hybrid or EV. It is, “over the years I expect to own this vehicle how does any particular vehicle meet these criteria and my particular requirements? It seems to me that the EV hype is fortunately dying and that we are going to enter a period where the competing technologies will duke it out in a healthy way.
Farley never said, or even suggested, that hybrids were "no good" and that Ford was going to leave that market. I don't know where the auto media came up with that belief. But it has been widely reported by by both auto journalists and Wall Street people. I have consistently followed Ford's earning calls and strategy presentations for going on 10 years now. They have consistently had hybrids as a pillar of their market strategy if any one cared to pay attention. They may not talk about it much and they are not investing a lot in it. But it was always in the slide presentations. The beauty of it is that Ford already has sunk the R&D and engineering costs for it. The Maverick more or less has the same hybrid system as the old Fusion. For that reason alone Ford was never going to leave hybrids.
The bottom line is. Ford sales numbers have been frightening to CEOs. Ford sales number from 2014 was 7.4 million cars and trucks sold. The 2023 sales numbers were freighting at 4.2 million sales. The numbers keep dropping with competition growing. GM isn't any better. Both Toyota, Honda, and VW aren't any better. We're seeing the Top 5 auto sellers shrinking in size. Chinese will dominate the auto market in next decade. We
@@wt9653 Frightening? It is old news now that Ford mostly got out of the car business 5 years ago cancelling the Focus, Fiesta, Fusion and Taurus. So yeah, Ford has been shrinking. But here is the result, they are guiding for $15-17 billion in 2024 when you exclude the heavy investments they are pouring into EVs. We'll see about China. China automakers are not going to seriously compete in the U.S. until at least they have factories up and running in North America. Then of course American consumers have to embrace them. The critical question for Ford is where all the money is going in their EV business. They had a $4.7 billion loss with it in 2023 and they are guiding for over a $5 billion loss in 2024 with nothing to show for it. A cynic would say Ford is just throwing money down the drain because they are not capable of competing with the like Tesla, China, and other pure EV makers. Personally I think a lot of people are going surprised how competitive Ford will be with EVs.
@@RonnieLeeDuck You have to include the inflation from 2014 to 2023. Ford would have to make 25 to 30 billion to equal 2014 profits. They need to bring back the affordable cars or it's a early grave for Ford. You must not have heard. BYD is building factories in Mexico. This way BYD doesn't have to be punished with a 27% tariff. Japanese cars were accepted by the US population after the WW 2. BYD is bringing $15k cars to North America and South America. You bet US buyers will embrace that.
@@wt9653 Key word is that China is "building" factories. They are not built. As of now BYD has not even broken ground on a factory. I don't know where you get the idea Ford would have to earn $25-30 billion per year just to be even with where they were in 2014 to adjust for inflation. First of all, there hasn't been that much inflation since 2014. Secondly, Inflation cuts both ways. A car company should be able to pass on higher prices, but the costs go up as well. Finally, profit at Ford in 2014 was lower then it was in 2023.
@@RonnieLeeDuck BYD is breaking ground in 2026. Auto line Daily John came up with numbers for GM and Ford. You ask him where he came up with numbers. 😂😉
@@jamesvandamme7786 yes LFP is a great platform, the problem is probably that gm lost a lot of money selling them. Maybe they will figure out a way to make them profitable in the next version. 🤷
gas pumps go down when the grid is down as well - not all gas stations have backup generators. As for charge stations - check out Hyliion's Karno generator as an option (it's more efficient than the grid and runs on 20 different fuels - can even be used in nuclear applications and concentrated solar). transitions are never smooth. That said - I'm glad GM is going back to PHEV platforms as a bridge.
@@normt430But not learned from them. Still lying to meet compliance standards on safety and emissions - for over thirty years to the EPA! Daihatsu and Hino being recent caught outs.
Car critics? That's is a complicated situation. First and foremost you have to know and experience first hand what you are criticizing. There are those that have never driven or really done a educated look at the physical vehicle. Some have an agenda and they will pick on a defect and magnify the heck out of it. Case in point cybertruck rust. Last night I saw up live and in your face a cybertruck in Deray FL just of the Ave . It was parked in front of a Ferrari. There was almost no interest in the Ferrari LOL The cybertruck had a small crowd of total stranger taking photos and taking to everyone around them. It was so interesting to see the interactions. Comments were at least 95 percent plus positive. So I posted I saw it. The first comment is did it have rust on the surface. This a perfect example of Eople hearing something and that becomes their focus. I think the esthetics and physical being of the vehicle were amazing. The heck with the un educated repeaters who don't know understand or think about what they say. The Tesla cybertruck is real. Amazing from my point and I have not driven the cybertruck but I am sure it will huge for TESLA. I love what I saw. The last car I saw that had this much buss was the 65 mustang.
Electric vehicle owners continue to report far more problems with their vehicles than owners of conventional cars or hybrids, according to Consumer Reports’ newly released annual car reliability survey. The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars.
@@phillyphil1513 Exactly. “The reality of EVs and Tesla’s being the best-selling car will, at some point, render them the best rental car.” CEO Scherr. In the August 2022 report of financial results, the Hertz executive team revealed that the cost of maintaining its newer Tesla EV fleet is 50-60 per cent below their ICE fleet. You must know that with three CEOs in recent time and the insolvency Hertz are in chaos. The selling of 4.4% of their fleet EVs was because they could not reconcile them with their 'buy at huge discount and keep them for two years and sell for what we paid' ICE model. They allocated half of them to Uber drivers who banged them up in hard urban driving scrapes and dents which costs in aluminum panel work and time off road. The rest they overcharged for and under informed their customers on returning them charged and higher performance.
1:00 Without saying the "T" word Gary... People who own EV's don't want to buy legacy EV's and non ev buyers either don't want to spend more to get an ev or are talked out of them by legacy dealers and media. I think mass adoptions will happen when the EV becomes cheaper than ice. Mass EV adoption can't happen until automakers are able to make enough quantity anyway. An increase in battery and charging technology will also boost EV sales as well. In a summary EV"s are in a perfect place right now.
Awesome insights. I personally don't see any government as a primary driver for EV's. It will be consumers. As more consumers break through misinformation about EV's and prices for materials and manufacturing drop enough, people will buy them as the obvious best value.
Only heard about the ATAT cell service outrage this morning, but got bitten by it yesterday. About 10:00, dropped phone, quite a hard fall. Everything still worked, except the cell connection. Wifi, all apps, OK. But effectively like airplane mode, except no way back to normal. Thinking, oh crap, broke my phone, gonna need a new one, don't have time for this. Then, about 3:00, it starts working again. This was Consumer Cellular, but I'm thinking it uses ATAT. Well, sometimes s''t happens, and usually it isn't art.
Surprised that Nissan and Mitsubishi get no mention. These 2 have sitting on the hands for years and I don’t think they will survive the US market within 10 years. On the global market don’t count out Suzuki, with partnerships in India they have some of the most reliable, competitive, and best selling models. But you’re right the Chinese are coming for those markets. Honda Prologue is over 5k lbs?! This isn’t going to cut it for efficiency in the EV space.
The cost of batteries is dropping. The price of EVs from Tesla, China and others will come down. The ease of charging, speed of charging, efficiency will steadily improve. Meanwhile ICE cars can't improve much and will cost more than comparable EVs. So it won't be long before nearly everyone will want an EV.
There will always be Luddites who claim it's a Democratic SCAM and believe everything the petroshills and Fox News are putting out. Also the people who always tow a boat uphill in the winter 500 miles without stopping (they pee in a bottle, I guess). Can't wait for range anxiety to hit gas stations.
How will all the ICE builders adapt? They are fighting to keep building vehicles nobody will want in 2030! The consumers will decide. Tens of thousands will be out of work because GM and Ford did not change with the times!
@@AlanFennell ICE is currently about 90% of the market, EV is growing at a pace slightly over 1% of the entire market per year. It's going to take a while.
@@hwirtwirt4500 EV sales now grow much faster than a 1% increase of the overall market per year. And it is likely to follow an exponential S curve. Bloomberg... The EV share of global vehicle sales should come in around 20% (pure-electric: 14%), up from about 17% in 2023. In China, we expect the EV share to reach 38% of sales.
Ya it's amazing a $24k truck is outselling $55k trucks. The market would buy a $24k EV truck and not a $55k Hybrid truck. It's the price people care about, not the drive train.
I think the Prologe pricing is fine. It should be a smidge above the Y, Ioniq 5 and EV6. Hyundai motor group is outpacing all the Japanese and US companies for growth. Genesis backing off all EVs by 2030 is not that negative for the EV market, that was a very aggressive goal and now they will just be more in line with others but still leading most.
Boy does Henry exemplify exactly why the big 3 will die. Totally incorrect viewpoints. "hard to make margin"...while Tesla makes massive margins at average prices. He should watch the Matt V interview pronto.
PHEV deadend design. All the disadvantages of ICE with only unrefueled range and refueling speed as advantages. Those PHEV are all higher lifetime cost than Tesla's even at the 5 year point.
So is this a re-enactment of the chatter in the Tack room of 1900 New York Carriage works? It could also be a meeting of the almost extinct Dodo society during the Whaling heyday. Not facing reality is the Human condition!🤔
Tesla needs to put out more models and make design changes more often. Elon thinks that everyone is concerned about the fundamentals of a vehicle - safety, technology, engineering- because that’s what he’s concerned about. The public is willfully dumb. They choose a car the way they choose a shirt - how pretty is it? That’s insane to me for a purchase that is 10s of thousands of dollars and could cost you your life or permanent disability, but you have to start with what people really are like, not what you wish they were like. If people want pretty, new-looking cars then give them that - with safety, technology, engineering underneath.
The Big 3 lobbied hard against taxing gasoline so they can keep those factories humming. Good in a way but they lost track of competition and stopped being competitive. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot. But in fairness, the Big 3 have to take care of their retirees so they are really in a tough situation.
I believe the Tesla strategy for EV transition is to: 1) Develop the underlying technology to allow EVs to perform in both in terms of drivability and efficiency; 2) Develop the supply chain and production process that allows the EVs to be made at volume and cost to drive the retail price to greater affordability; 3) Then expand the product class selection to appeal to a greater number of buyers; 4) Finally, expand and update the designs to make models "New" and "Improved" from a design perspective. // By concentrating of the technology and the production volume to drive the retail cost down at a rapid rate, Tesla expands their Total Addressable Market (TAM) to further drive the retail price down. Their mission statement is "to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible". It is not to make as many models as possible or to earn as much profit as possible. After their next "$25K car" that they plan on introducing at the end of 2025, then they can expand their models and do full updates on their existing designs.
Tesla's strategy for EV's is to maximize profit by using the cheapest components and building to the lowest quality standards. It's worked for them so far..
Compare EV purchase price with ice purchase price, without mentioning total cost of ownership, no one says anything!? Purchase plus fuel plus maintainance.
25:59 A 3 today does not look, perform, drive like a 3 from yesterday. I'm guessing Henry hasn't been in the new 3 yet? It's a big improvement on an already near perfect car.
I don’t want an auto that updates itself and is full of quirks like my darn phone. I just want one that works the same, allows me to open the door by hand not with electricity ❤😂 When my engine goes out it’s better than a $10,000-$20,000 battery pack replacement 😢 But I want an EV that can have batteries cheaply swapped or ‘fixed’ with some new cells.
It’s my opinion that charging infrastructure is critical and therefore should by law require debit card readers for payment. Just like gas stations. Also level 1 & 2 as well as fast chargers. In the case of level 1&2 there should just be a socket at the pedistels and drivers carry their own cables. Should be pedistels along streets and in parking areas. Keep cables out of the weather and drivers have the correct connectors for their car
Your concept is great, however level 1 charging is pointless. At 4-7 miles per hour of charging is ridiculous. Adding card swipe is asking for problems for something to break. Tesla identifies the car and starts charging billing is done with no interaction other than plugging in the car it just works. As for the cable they are all switching to the nacs connection so that is an issue with a little luck or hope (both totally useless in a poker game or life) will end soon . Tesla intends to start putting level 2 charging in parking lots by the hundreds in the next stage of charging infrastructure expansion.
Why have card readers? Just drive up, charge and leave. I don't need a card. It is faster, easier, and the system is more reliable. You now people have their card info stolen at gas pumps every day?
@@hwirtwirt450048 volt allows the manufacturer to use a lot less wiring which lowers weight and extends range. Plus, electric vehicles are computers on wheels. With entertainment and so much more, the extra voltage is a good thing.
@@edkalski2312 The only high current items on and EV are the wires going from the battery to the motors and they are generally using 400-800 volts. Computers and entertainment devices use very low power. The difference in wire thickness in marginal at best.
Reliability and affordability suffers at the hands of progress! There is much to learn from if it's not broke, don't fix it! With this said, we have come a long way and car have improved tremendously. However, in many cases we take one step forward and two steps back. ie.: Ford had a bullet proof 6 speed longitudinal transmission in the F-150 and Mustang only to replace it with a very troublesome 10 speed that offers very little performance gains in terms of fuel efficiency or transfer of power. We also see turbo chargers on everything! Why? I have a naturally aspirated Ford 3.7 V6 that performs just as good as any 3.5 eco boost. engine. The entertainment systems have become the focus and they too are drastically over engineered. I am all for progress, but not at the cost of affordability or reliability. This is NOT a good time to be buying a new car imo.
@@AlanFennellI'm not sure I want to go back that far. Some of the innovations that have been made are really great! ie.: Multi Port Fuel injection, multi speed automatic transmissions, hydraulic brakes, etc.. However, Electric vehicle owners continue to report far more problems with their vehicles than owners of conventional cars or hybrids, according to Consumer Reports’ newly released annual car reliability survey. The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars.
Autoline: Bombastic, Grumpy Old Men flexing their wisdom. Active listening: not so much. Still a fan, but John and Gary will have to retire soon as their audience dies.
The short plad clad dude won’t shut up and let people respond. His guests start to respond, and he just immediately starts talking over them. Witnessed in a few videos with him in it.
You mean John McElroy? The primary host (and producer I believe) of the channel? The guy who, along with his son, are the faces and voices of the Autoline Network? For better or for worse, it's his show and that's how he's always run it.
@ 7:00 on GMs battery & software problems - “they seem to have that figured out” - based on what? Only 7 mins in and it sounds like a bunch of grand dads loyal to who is writing their paychecks.
The difference between Hybrids and Plug in Hybrid is a lot more than just the battery size and a plug. Plug ins need DC Fast charging, a much more powerful electric motor to move the vehicle at higher speeds. It’s much more expensive and complicated to build and I don’t it can be done at scale profitably. Then there’s the repair cost for long term ownership and packaging sacrifices.
Re Toyota PHEVs, reliable???? We have a class action suit up here due to a main power cable deteriorating too quickly and needing replacement. Expensive cable apparently. They are MUCH better than the others (except those who licensed their tech, like Ford), but on PHEVs and certain AWDe vehicles, not so sure. The fact that they have basically decided to emulate Tesla’s unboxed approach shows they can make a change when required. As Sandy Munro once stated, if Toyota decides to go all in on BEVs, watch out.
Sounds like the current RAV4? People forget, shame of these journalists, that Toyota has had two decades of recalls to get Synergy Drive correct. Sometimes recalling for the same hybrid component.
So why can tesla make a 38k ev and gm cant? I completly agree that lyric commands the higher price but Chevy? They crossed their own brands and didnt do enough research on battery costs. Nothing to do with government. This is what happens when non engineers make decisions they have no idea about. Gm is done.
H Payne blames pollution control laws for Japanese imports steamrolling over US automakers in the 1970s (he's wrong) and conveniently forgets there was an OPEC oil crisis/embargo here in 1973 and (when faced with 8mpg US beasts as de-facto transport) the US public wisely switched to Toyota, Honda, Datsun etc rather than walking to work. It's also just like him to blame "regulation" rather than the pollution that was killing hundreds to thousands of people a year for those overdue laws.
I felt like both Henry and Mark were just talking heads and didn't really add much value to what could've been an awesome show given the topics. I didn't learn anything new. Just my humble opinion 😏
31:00 BYD updates their cars regularly, with 4 year product cycles and mid-cycle refreshes at 2... with product development cycles that are a fraction as long as of other automakers. That lets them always have something new to look at in the showroom. 36:00 BYD is also the largest producer of PHEV's globally. They recently released a Corolla-sized Qin Plus for $11,000. And their gross margin beats Tesla.
Got to give a shout-out to Musk for realizing that the luxury segment was the way to go for EVs. The GM/Honda joint venture may point to the future. It would make sense to have a few skateboard suppliers to achieve economies of scale and spread the huge capital costs across more units.
To call any Tesla a luxury car is a joke. They have nothing close to the interior of true luxury cars . Everyone I've been in was noisy with road noise .
@@bobbybishop5662 Maybe. In 2012 nobody but Tesla sold a $60-$90K EV sedan that could go 0-60 under 4 seconds. The Leaf launched in 2010, and most people thought of EVs as econoboxes back then.
@@bobbybishop5662 OK, so the Model S wasn't $50-$90K, and the Leaf wasn't on the market? Actually, I would happily buy a Tesla if Elon promised to go home to Mars.
Depends on the car. Tesla? You can buy a 2020 TM3 that has 50k miles on it for $22k. It was $37k new. If it is a $2022 Ford Maverick in 2 years and 50k miles it will be $10k. Today it is $24k new.
@@davidbeppler3032 You're not going to buy a two year old Maverick for 10K, I wish that were true. The value of EV's Tesla in particular are falling like a rock.
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"People don't want to buy an electric car, they want a Tesla" said Bob Lutz
People are smart 😂😂
With that kind of attitude, no wonder GM is always late to the game.
Lutz is just another brainwashed Musk minion.
@@pspublic13yeah, nothing at all to do with Mary...
@@gregbailey45 No what I mean is that GM always follows the crowd shortsightedly. It gave up on EVs even when it was first here with the EV-1 because no one else was doing it so it must be dumb, doh.
It minimized Tesla's success with the Model S because everyone else was doing it and stuck its head in the sand like everyone else. 2013 was the year to start serious R&D but this did not happen.
It rushed into EVs around COVID time (2021) because everyone else was doing the same and overspent on R&D. There is a time value to R&D that you can't make up with money yet GM tried anyway.
GM has no vision that it has the guts to stick to and Bob Lutz's quote is just one proof of many in GM's history.
Yes, Mary Barra is guilty of the same.
When you don't own the robotaxi it doesn't matter what it looks like so long as it gets to you quickly and coveys you without drama to your location. You haven't seen disruption yet.
Clearly Mary Barra doesn't know her arse from her elbow.
She's too busy leading the world to electrification. It matters. 😂
They should add a younger perspective in these type of conversations. Imo
That would be entertaining but these guys were better than some they have on this show.
@@AlanFennell I agree.
Maybe add a couple of younger panelists. Still, it is so common today to totally discount experience.
I don’t think either of these guys has driven the new model 3. It is much much more than a refresh.
With over 50% of the parts now different from the original Model 3 and a third less to make. it's a new model.
#REFRESH
Japanese small made sales after the oil embargo because the 3 made their 4 cylinder engines with cast iron cranks and rods just like their V8s. But the 4 cylinders had to rev higher for longer cruising on the e-way. 100k and done. Honda and Toyota came from high revving small engines with forged parts that could survive the revs for 2-3 times longer even with an added turbo.
And look where they are today...
Q. Do you ever have any guests under 40 years old? Lots of them out there that, may not be so set in their ways and / or deep into the ICE and oil pockets. 😊
Persons under 49 don’t have the depth of knowledge or history that makes this show so interesting.
Ageist
@buntnik I'm almost 65. Drove pickups like Ford F-150, Chevy Silverado, and my last three were Toyota Tundras Limited pickups. Sold the Toyota in November 2018 and bought a Tesla and bought another one in May 2022. I will never own another ICE vehicle again. Some younger people may bring a different opinion 🤔
@@davidws5439didn't see that coming, nice!
It's weird when the youngs are EV haters, which I often encounter, yet olds are characterized as luddites & tech un-savy.
The price of gas here in Vancouver Canada just went up to five dollars US for one US gallon. I really feel for the contractors making the way their way around to various jobs and having to pay these high prices for the fuel seems to me they can't waitto dump the pump and preference for a plug-in pick up at a reasonable cost. Sitting down and doing the math might just sway them to at least get a hybrid.
What's that for a liter? Here is 1,58.9.
Here in California, Oakland gas is around $5, it was higher before. Here one third of the cars are EV, I just got a 2011 Nissan Leaf, utility company pge paid 4k rebate. Fed tax rebate was 30 percent. I paid $2800. Charge it only on solar.
Good questions, Gary !!
Why limit the shows? Let them run 90 minutes or more if conversations is good.
7:52 software is constantly changing. So software that works great in one car likely won't be the same in the next.
I enjoyed watching Henry attempt to steer all conversation on EV to CAFE and government regulations. You know he's been lecturing his wife to greater effect at home. Autoline gave that about as much attention as an errant fart.
The guy needs to give it a break. We are interested in informed opinions which he can and does give when he can take a break from his personal ideology rants.
Said this on the last video, I find the idea of automakers collaborating an interesting one. Obviously makes sense for when one group is significantly behind in development, like with Honda and GM.
But this story shows more benefits than that. For example, multiple automakers might use the same factories and components to take advantage of IRA tax incentives for production and components.
If volumes are low for a while, this might help keep factories busy and decrease costs - keeping jobs open and profits reasonable.
And all the while, companies can work on the next home iterations of their tech, using lessons learned from the partnerships, without having to commit to the first try all in
Prolog is Honda’s first EV? I don’t think so. Remember the EV Plus from the 1990’s? How about the Fit EV from the 2000’s? How about the recent Honda Clarity BEV?
Definitely first North American built EV for Honda.
It's the first production EV specific design. Ev plus was an experimental vehicle (300 produced) Fit EV was another esperimental product with a liomited production run just over 1000. Clarity was a FCV. Clarity EV was only available on lease and it was canceled on low demand.
Wide release vs lease/test release I suppose..
Those were compliance cars only sold in states while mandates were in place
Crazy to me that out of all the Powertrain makers, Honda picked GM. Even if you don’t like Elon Musk, there are lots of Chinese Powertrain makers that objectively have a better EV track record than GM.
Car design obsolescence:
Some decades ago, I had an engineer for one of the major Detroit manufacturers he went scuba diving with me every year.
We used to serve free rum and coke after the last dive and too old and old saying "in vino veritas".
So someone asked "why don't cars last as long as he used to?".
The answer from the engineer was, new engineers were asked to attend an orientation and they were informed what their designs had to be, such as a certain lifespan
One cheeky engineer asked "what if we could design a part that lasts longer at lower cost?"
The reply was "DON'T DO THAT! Because replacing in parts are how we make our money.
Sounds familiar?
Scientia Habet Non Domus.
(Knowledge Has No Home)
antiguajohn
I wish you had shared your thoughts about the Tesla Model Y being the #1 selling car by volume and revenue in 2023.
I'm not a fan boy, but every time I see an outlet not discussing something is probably because of a conflict of interest. On the other hand, I have no stock in tesla and could care less.
Exactly how many Model Y did they sell in 2023 ? Not the numbers Tesla combined with the Model 3.
You say Jeep is a global brand. They are suffering terribly in Australia because of reputation and poor customer sevice
And shut down in China.
Lot of folks have a crew cab for a long trips running on gasoline but for just running around town they want a cheap inexpensive vehicle that has 40 mi of range. My great great grandmother had a Franklin electric running on let acid batteries and she never went more than five or six blocks at a time and it was perfect for her
At one point in the discussion someone asked, I can’t remember word for word “who wants an EV”? I had a think 🤔, and decided that the question is really not that at all. It’s more like, “what does the average consumer want their vehicle to be able to do, performance, longevity, features, cost of running and availability of fuel, liquid or electric, and maintenance and ease of repair and reliability and resale value etc etc etc. The question is increasingly not, ICE or hybrid or plugin hybrid or EV. It is, “over the years I expect to own this vehicle how does any particular vehicle meet these criteria and my particular requirements? It seems to me that the EV hype is fortunately dying and that we are going to enter a period where the competing technologies will duke it out in a healthy way.
... and EV's will, for the most part, win.
Farley never said, or even suggested, that hybrids were "no good" and that Ford was going to leave that market. I don't know where the auto media came up with that belief. But it has been widely reported by by both auto journalists and Wall Street people. I have consistently followed Ford's earning calls and strategy presentations for going on 10 years now. They have consistently had hybrids as a pillar of their market strategy if any one cared to pay attention. They may not talk about it much and they are not investing a lot in it. But it was always in the slide presentations. The beauty of it is that Ford already has sunk the R&D and engineering costs for it. The Maverick more or less has the same hybrid system as the old Fusion. For that reason alone Ford was never going to leave hybrids.
The bottom line is.
Ford sales numbers have been frightening to CEOs.
Ford sales number from 2014 was 7.4 million cars and trucks sold.
The 2023 sales numbers were freighting at 4.2 million sales.
The numbers keep dropping with competition growing.
GM isn't any better.
Both Toyota, Honda, and VW aren't any better.
We're seeing the Top 5 auto sellers shrinking in size.
Chinese will dominate the auto market in next decade.
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@@wt9653
Frightening?
It is old news now that Ford mostly got out of the car business 5 years ago cancelling the Focus, Fiesta, Fusion and Taurus. So yeah, Ford has been shrinking. But here is the result, they are guiding for $15-17 billion in 2024 when you exclude the heavy investments they are pouring into EVs.
We'll see about China. China automakers are not going to seriously compete in the U.S. until at least they have factories up and running in North America. Then of course American consumers have to embrace them.
The critical question for Ford is where all the money is going in their EV business. They had a $4.7 billion loss with it in 2023 and they are guiding for over a $5 billion loss in 2024 with nothing to show for it.
A cynic would say Ford is just throwing money down the drain because they are not capable of competing with the like Tesla, China, and other pure EV makers.
Personally I think a lot of people are going surprised how competitive Ford will be with EVs.
@@RonnieLeeDuck
You have to include the inflation from 2014 to 2023.
Ford would have to make 25 to 30 billion to equal 2014 profits.
They need to bring back the affordable cars or it's a early grave for Ford.
You must not have heard.
BYD is building factories in Mexico.
This way BYD doesn't have to be punished with a 27% tariff.
Japanese cars were accepted by the US population after the WW 2.
BYD is bringing $15k cars to North America and South America.
You bet US buyers will embrace that.
@@wt9653
Key word is that China is "building" factories. They are not built. As of now BYD has not even broken ground on a factory.
I don't know where you get the idea Ford would have to earn $25-30 billion per year just to be even with where they were in 2014 to adjust for inflation. First of all, there hasn't been that much inflation since 2014. Secondly, Inflation cuts both ways. A car company should be able to pass on higher prices, but the costs go up as well. Finally, profit at Ford in 2014 was lower then it was in 2023.
@@RonnieLeeDuck
BYD is breaking ground in 2026.
Auto line Daily John came up with numbers for GM and Ford. You ask him where he came up with numbers. 😂😉
1st we need to correct the ongoing lie.
Cars made in Mexico are not cheaper to buy.
They're more profitable for the manufacturer.
Any car manufacturer trying to sell gas powered vehicles beyond the next 5 years will be out of business by year 6.
BS
Wasn't the Chevy Bolt made in the US and sold for less than $30K?
Very much yes
It seems that was a great lil car, and I'm a massive Tesla fan
It’s a great car with crappy pouch batteries that overheat and crappy software that doesn’t or can’t adjust the charging to prevent fires .
@@AlanFennellWith better (LFP) batteries and faster charger it would sell like crazy today
@@jamesvandamme7786 yes LFP is a great platform, the problem is probably that gm lost a lot of money selling them. Maybe they will figure out a way to make them profitable in the next version. 🤷
gas pumps go down when the grid is down as well - not all gas stations have backup generators. As for charge stations - check out Hyliion's Karno generator as an option (it's more efficient than the grid and runs on 20 different fuels - can even be used in nuclear applications and concentrated solar). transitions are never smooth. That said - I'm glad GM is going back to PHEV platforms as a bridge.
The difference in the cost of labor is marginal, efficiency is the key.
Toyota has multiple decades of recalls to get that level of reliability today.
Different culture too
@@jamesvandamme7786 yes, they have already paid for their mistakes over the decades.
@@normt430But not learned from them.
Still lying to meet compliance standards on safety and emissions - for over thirty years to the EPA!
Daihatsu and Hino being recent caught outs.
or… maybe they used decades of experience to learn how to cheat?
Car critics? That's is a complicated situation. First and foremost you have to know and experience first hand what you are criticizing.
There are those that have never driven or really done a educated look at the physical vehicle.
Some have an agenda and they will pick on a defect and magnify the heck out of it.
Case in point cybertruck rust. Last night I saw up live and in your face a cybertruck in Deray FL just of the Ave . It was parked in front of a Ferrari. There was almost no interest in the Ferrari LOL The cybertruck had a small crowd of total stranger taking photos and taking to everyone around them. It was so interesting to see the interactions. Comments were at least 95 percent plus positive.
So I posted I saw it. The first comment is did it have rust on the surface. This a perfect example of
Eople hearing something and that becomes their focus.
I think the esthetics and physical being of the vehicle were amazing. The heck with the un educated repeaters who don't know understand or think about what they say. The Tesla cybertruck is real. Amazing from my point and I have not driven the cybertruck but I am sure it will huge for TESLA. I love what I saw. The last car I saw that had this much buss was the 65 mustang.
Electric vehicle owners continue to report far more problems with their vehicles than owners of conventional cars or hybrids, according to Consumer Reports’ newly released annual car reliability survey. The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars.
And, of course, Consumer Reports is COMPLETELY unbiased!
It mostly relates to Tesla and the crap build quality.
@@hwirtwirt4500 FUD - they also report Tesla is the cheapest car to run with the least maintenance and repair costs than ANY OTHER BRAND.
sucks to be a "duped" EV advocate, given that the Hertz maintenance debacle BACKS UP what's Consumers Reports have found.
@@phillyphil1513 Exactly.
“The reality of EVs and Tesla’s being the best-selling car will, at some point, render them the best rental car.” CEO Scherr.
In the August 2022 report of financial results, the Hertz executive team revealed that the cost of maintaining its newer Tesla EV fleet is 50-60 per cent below their ICE fleet.
You must know that with three CEOs in recent time and the insolvency Hertz are in chaos. The selling of 4.4% of their fleet EVs was because they could not reconcile them with their 'buy at huge discount and keep them for two years and sell for what we paid' ICE model. They allocated half of them to Uber drivers who banged them up in hard urban driving scrapes and dents which costs in aluminum panel work and time off road. The rest they overcharged for and under informed their customers on returning them charged and higher performance.
1:00 Without saying the "T" word Gary... People who own EV's don't want to buy legacy EV's and non ev buyers either don't want to spend more to get an ev or are talked out of them by legacy dealers and media. I think mass adoptions will happen when the EV becomes cheaper than ice. Mass EV adoption can't happen until automakers are able to make enough quantity anyway. An increase in battery and charging technology will also boost EV sales as well. In a summary EV"s are in a perfect place right now.
First time that closed captions not available for the hearing impaired for this episode. Hope it is available next time!
Awesome insights. I personally don't see any government as a primary driver for EV's. It will be consumers. As more consumers break through misinformation about EV's and prices for materials and manufacturing drop enough, people will buy them as the obvious best value.
Only heard about the ATAT cell service outrage this morning, but got bitten by it yesterday. About 10:00, dropped phone, quite a hard fall. Everything still worked, except the cell connection. Wifi, all apps, OK. But effectively like airplane mode, except no way back to normal. Thinking, oh crap, broke my phone, gonna need a new one, don't have time for this. Then, about 3:00, it starts working again. This was Consumer Cellular, but I'm thinking it uses ATAT.
Well, sometimes s''t happens, and usually it isn't art.
Unusually unlucky timing!
Toyota always said “whatever GM is doing, we’re not”. That approach worked out didn’t it?
The political undercurrent to the conversation is fascinating. I'm with Mark Phelan...
Surprised that Nissan and Mitsubishi get no mention. These 2 have sitting on the hands for years and I don’t think they will survive the US market within 10 years. On the global market don’t count out Suzuki, with partnerships in India they have some of the most reliable, competitive, and best selling models. But you’re right the Chinese are coming for those markets. Honda Prologue is over 5k lbs?! This isn’t going to cut it for efficiency in the EV space.
They don't deserve a mention
Mazda is also going to struggle to survive more than a few years.
@@AlanFennellTheir last employee will be still trying to get the Wankel working.
Both have had sales collapse in China. Nissan Sentra used to be China's #1...
@@jamesvandamme7786😂😂 they do love that engine and it is so smooth 😁
The cost of batteries is dropping. The price of EVs from Tesla, China and others will come down. The ease of charging, speed of charging, efficiency will steadily improve.
Meanwhile ICE cars can't improve much and will cost more than comparable EVs.
So it won't be long before nearly everyone will want an EV.
It won’t be long before the volume of ICE drops to a point where it costs more to make them and then EVs will look really good!😊
There will always be Luddites who claim it's a Democratic SCAM and believe everything the petroshills and Fox News are putting out. Also the people who always tow a boat uphill in the winter 500 miles without stopping (they pee in a bottle, I guess). Can't wait for range anxiety to hit gas stations.
How will all the ICE builders adapt? They are fighting to keep building vehicles nobody will want in 2030! The consumers will decide. Tens of thousands will be out of work because GM and Ford did not change with the times!
@@AlanFennell ICE is currently about 90% of the market, EV is growing at a pace slightly over 1% of the entire market per year. It's going to take a while.
@@hwirtwirt4500 EV sales now grow much faster than a 1% increase of the overall market per year. And it is likely to follow an exponential S curve.
Bloomberg...
The EV share of global vehicle sales should come in around 20% (pure-electric: 14%), up from about 17% in 2023. In China, we expect the EV share to reach 38% of sales.
Ya it's amazing a $24k truck is outselling $55k trucks. The market would buy a $24k EV truck and not a $55k Hybrid truck. It's the price people care about, not the drive train.
It’s the payment nobody cares about the price if the payment is even close to the budgeted amount.
It's the price that BANKS care about. Few people "buy" without bank approval.
Maverick, 2.5 liter 1.1kWh battery, 190hp. Sure it is cheap at $25k. But it will only last 3 or 4 years. Is it worth it?
@@davidbeppler3032 It will last and easy 10 years and likely a lot longer.
One of your guest wrote an article on Tesla, a while back, I challenged him and finally he admitted he hadn’t even been in a Tesla.
Truly an interesting show, appreciated the guesses today.
The G wagon is a solid off-roader however the regular G wagons are no longer available. Only the AMG branded ones are being sold now
I think the Prologe pricing is fine. It should be a smidge above the Y, Ioniq 5 and EV6. Hyundai motor group is outpacing all the Japanese and US companies for growth. Genesis backing off all EVs by 2030 is not that negative for the EV market, that was a very aggressive goal and now they will just be more in line with others but still leading most.
The average maverick on the lot is over 30k, it was supposed to start at 22k thats a huge reason it's out selling 70k gas or electric 150's
Boy does Henry exemplify exactly why the big 3 will die. Totally incorrect viewpoints. "hard to make margin"...while Tesla makes massive margins at average prices. He should watch the Matt V interview pronto.
Range is important if you dont have charging at home. It is a pain if you need external charging chargers every day
The question of a PHEV is will the consumer ever plugin the car?
PHEV deadend design. All the disadvantages of ICE with only unrefueled range and refueling speed as advantages. Those PHEV are all higher lifetime cost than Tesla's even at the 5 year point.
Ford/GM backing away from BEV because they can't make cars that successfully compete with Tesla.
Tesla is dumping mostly old models at bargain basement prices.
I wonder what happened to those unmanned taxis in San Francisco during the outage 🤔
So is this a re-enactment of the chatter in the Tack room of 1900 New York Carriage works? It could also be a meeting of the almost extinct Dodo society during the Whaling heyday. Not facing reality is the Human condition!🤔
John, will you be going to the big Tesla event in Muskegon, Michigan, this June? The Highlander PS kindness is always free.😊
Awesome podcast great work
Henry is Wrong on PHEVs being more expensive. The extra cost o f an ICE powertrain is offset by savings on smaller battery
Tesla needs to put out more models and make design changes more often. Elon thinks that everyone is concerned about the fundamentals of a vehicle - safety, technology, engineering- because that’s what he’s concerned about. The public is willfully dumb. They choose a car the way they choose a shirt - how pretty is it? That’s insane to me for a purchase that is 10s of thousands of dollars and could cost you your life or permanent disability, but you have to start with what people really are like, not what you wish they were like. If people want pretty, new-looking cars then give them that - with safety, technology, engineering underneath.
Detroit Auto Journalist powerhouse gang!
Gang gang
The Big 3 lobbied hard against taxing gasoline so they can keep those factories humming. Good in a way but they lost track of competition and stopped being competitive. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot. But in fairness, the Big 3 have to take care of their retirees so they are really in a tough situation.
Cyber visibility looks bad with the pillar blocking so much view in the goofy cybertruck and buyers will maybe never admit their mistake ❤😂
Henry should go back to cartoons until Mark can school him some more.
I believe the Tesla strategy for EV transition is to: 1) Develop the underlying technology to allow EVs to perform in both in terms of drivability and efficiency; 2) Develop the supply chain and production process that allows the EVs to be made at volume and cost to drive the retail price to greater affordability; 3) Then expand the product class selection to appeal to a greater number of buyers; 4) Finally, expand and update the designs to make models "New" and "Improved" from a design perspective. // By concentrating of the technology and the production volume to drive the retail cost down at a rapid rate, Tesla expands their Total Addressable Market (TAM) to further drive the retail price down. Their mission statement is "to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible". It is not to make as many models as possible or to earn as much profit as possible. After their next "$25K car" that they plan on introducing at the end of 2025, then they can expand their models and do full updates on their existing designs.
Tesla's strategy for EV's is to maximize profit by using the cheapest components and building to the lowest quality standards. It's worked for them so far..
Well thought out counter argument.
Compare EV purchase price with ice purchase price, without mentioning total cost of ownership, no one says anything!? Purchase plus fuel plus maintainance.
Pee hevz - gawd forbid u spend 30 min to learn something like how to plug In an EV
@@rp9674it is a hard concept. I come home plug in the car and it’s ready for work in the morning? When do I go to the gas station? 😂😂
@AlanFennell super challenging, could take up to 15 seconds
Tesla is already cheaper sticker than Toyota Prius Prime and a pimped out Corolla in many US states.
GM needs to PHEV the Express Van
25:59 A 3 today does not look, perform, drive like a 3 from yesterday. I'm guessing Henry hasn't been in the new 3 yet? It's a big improvement on an already near perfect car.
Why only old people are on this show?
I don’t want an auto that updates itself and is full of quirks like my darn phone. I just want one that works the same, allows me to open the door by hand not with electricity ❤😂 When my engine goes out it’s better than a $10,000-$20,000 battery pack replacement 😢 But I want an EV that can have batteries cheaply swapped or ‘fixed’ with some new cells.
It’s my opinion that charging infrastructure is critical and therefore should by law require debit card readers for payment. Just like gas stations. Also level 1 & 2 as well as fast chargers. In the case of level 1&2 there should just be a socket at the pedistels and drivers carry their own cables. Should be pedistels along streets and in parking areas. Keep cables out of the weather and drivers have the correct connectors for their car
Your concept is great, however level 1 charging is pointless. At 4-7 miles per hour of charging is ridiculous. Adding card swipe is asking for problems for something to break. Tesla identifies the car and starts charging billing is done with no interaction other than plugging in the car it just works. As for the cable they are all switching to the nacs connection so that is an issue with a little luck or hope (both totally useless in a poker game or life) will end soon . Tesla intends to start putting level 2 charging in parking lots by the hundreds in the next stage of charging infrastructure expansion.
Why have card readers? Just drive up, charge and leave. I don't need a card. It is faster, easier, and the system is more reliable. You now people have their card info stolen at gas pumps every day?
Has GM announced anything about going 48 volt?
GM is working on 11.8V architecture.
Why would they, there is no advantage.
@@hwirtwirt450048 volt allows the manufacturer to use a lot less wiring which lowers weight and extends range. Plus, electric vehicles are computers on wheels. With entertainment and so much more, the extra voltage is a good thing.
@@edkalski2312 The only high current items on and EV are the wires going from the battery to the motors and they are generally using 400-800 volts. Computers and entertainment devices use very low power. The difference in wire thickness in marginal at best.
Lol. No.
Bob Lutz said a lot of things Andy had to retract a lot of options.
Nuff said
Reliability and affordability suffers at the hands of progress! There is much to learn from if it's not broke, don't fix it! With this said, we have come a long way and car have improved tremendously. However, in many cases we take one step forward and two steps back. ie.: Ford had a bullet proof 6 speed longitudinal transmission in the F-150 and Mustang only to replace it with a very troublesome 10 speed that offers very little performance gains in terms of fuel efficiency or transfer of power. We also see turbo chargers on everything! Why? I have a naturally aspirated Ford 3.7 V6 that performs just as good as any 3.5 eco boost. engine. The entertainment systems have become the focus and they too are drastically over engineered. I am all for progress, but not at the cost of affordability or reliability. This is NOT a good time to be buying a new car imo.
Yes the model T was a simple car easy to fix with minimal tools but something happened and we moved on.
@@AlanFennellI'm not sure I want to go back that far. Some of the innovations that have been made are really great! ie.: Multi Port Fuel injection, multi speed automatic transmissions, hydraulic brakes, etc.. However, Electric vehicle owners continue to report far more problems with their vehicles than owners of conventional cars or hybrids, according to Consumer Reports’ newly released annual car reliability survey. The survey reveals that, on average, EVs from the past three model years had 79 percent more problems than conventional cars.
@@mrjim1973you need a better source than biased Consumer Reports!
@@AlanFennell The Model T required engine rebuilds at 10K miles because the metallurgy of the rings and bearings was so inferior compared to today.
@@gregbailey45 Consumer Reports is big on fit and finish, Tesla is the worse in the industry.
Autoline: Bombastic, Grumpy Old Men flexing their wisdom. Active listening: not so much. Still a fan, but John and Gary will have to retire soon as their audience dies.
John and Gary are just shills for the big auto companies, not automotive experts.
God John stop cutting the guy off let him finish his statement seeesh!
Ford and GM better not wander away too far away from EV. Those who snooze too long wake up to the back of the line.
gm ultium is a joke. It's just a silly name. It's whatever gm want it to be.
Your comment is a bigger joke!
Name another scaleable for a full product line BEV architecture that is battery style agnostic?
It's smart branding. They don't change the Camaro's name every time they revised it
a "portmanteau word" as Humpty Dumpty declared.
The short plad clad dude won’t shut up and let people respond. His guests start to respond, and he just immediately starts talking over them. Witnessed in a few videos with him in it.
You mean John McElroy? The primary host (and producer I believe) of the channel? The guy who, along with his son, are the faces and voices of the Autoline Network?
For better or for worse, it's his show and that's how he's always run it.
@ 7:00 on GMs battery & software problems - “they seem to have that figured out” - based on what? Only 7 mins in and it sounds like a bunch of grand dads loyal to who is writing their paychecks.
What. Happened to the Korean car co discussion.?
People always bought horses, and they looked the same for decades
Until the Model T came along. Then people ate all the horses. Ouch!
The difference between Hybrids and Plug in Hybrid is a lot more than just the battery size and a plug. Plug ins need DC Fast charging, a much more powerful electric motor to move the vehicle at higher speeds. It’s much more expensive and complicated to build and I don’t it can be done at scale profitably. Then there’s the repair cost for long term ownership and packaging sacrifices.
But you don't need good software at launch. You can OTA them later
Only if you've proven you can OTA says the bricked Ford EVs.
John, thanks for checking Henry's bs
Japanese cars dominated the California market since the early 70's... correction , maybe not dominate but were a big player
General Motors absorb Honda? Please no! I don't want to see Honda get trashed. A GM acquisition is the kiss of death.
The AutoLine car of the year judges are NEVER fair to Tesla and for some odd reason sucks up to a failing gm.
Why don't you tell us why the roads are in such sad shape.
Re Toyota PHEVs, reliable???? We have a class action suit up here due to a main power cable deteriorating too quickly and needing replacement. Expensive cable apparently. They are MUCH better than the others (except those who licensed their tech, like Ford), but on PHEVs and certain AWDe vehicles, not so sure. The fact that they have basically decided to emulate Tesla’s unboxed approach shows they can make a change when required. As Sandy Munro once stated, if Toyota decides to go all in on BEVs, watch out.
Sounds like the current RAV4?
People forget, shame of these journalists, that Toyota has had two decades of recalls to get Synergy Drive correct. Sometimes recalling for the same hybrid component.
And PHEV fire rate is 4.5 times that of actual electric vehicles.
So, you had to manually navigate your car to work, so what? Oh poo poo…
@ 6:00 “GM EV engineering is great… but they have a software problem.”. How do you say ‘I don’t know anything about electric cars, without saying it”?
Yes, Toyota knows whar IT"S customers want.... ICE.
So why can tesla make a 38k ev and gm cant? I completly agree that lyric commands the higher price but Chevy? They crossed their own brands and didnt do enough research on battery costs. Nothing to do with government. This is what happens when non engineers make decisions they have no idea about. Gm is done.
Because their vehicles are relatively old tech and old tooling that's been paid for for years, less overhead.
H Payne blames pollution control laws for Japanese imports steamrolling over US automakers in the 1970s (he's wrong) and conveniently forgets there was an OPEC oil crisis/embargo here in 1973 and (when faced with 8mpg US beasts as de-facto transport) the US public wisely switched to Toyota, Honda, Datsun etc rather than walking to work. It's also just like him to blame "regulation" rather than the pollution that was killing hundreds to thousands of people a year for those overdue laws.
Few Americans remember how long "Drive 55" lasted. Few remember it existed.
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
Bring it back
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck President Nixon established the 55 Mph speed limit, it was really a dumb idea.
I felt like both Henry and Mark were just talking heads and didn't really add much value to what could've been an awesome show given the topics. I didn't learn anything new. Just my humble opinion 😏
Tesla styling - looks like a fifties VW beetle.🤣🤣🤣
Which is still popular after 70 Years!
The exterior of Tesla's look like warmed over GM Saturn's, the interiors look cheap and tacky.
@@gregbailey45 The Beetle.
Make most vehicles to ride around the city streets smaller lighter not these electric land yacht
31:00 BYD updates their cars regularly, with 4 year product cycles and mid-cycle refreshes at 2... with product development cycles that are a fraction as long as of other automakers. That lets them always have something new to look at in the showroom.
36:00 BYD is also the largest producer of PHEV's globally. They recently released a Corolla-sized Qin Plus for $11,000. And their gross margin beats Tesla.
What it runs on matters.
A hybrid still runs on petrol.
It's an insignificant advance towards sustainability.
This format is difficult to watch.
Canoo, any other car or truck is featureless.
Got to give a shout-out to Musk for realizing that the luxury segment was the way to go for EVs. The GM/Honda joint venture may point to the future. It would make sense to have a few skateboard suppliers to achieve economies of scale and spread the huge capital costs across more units.
To call any Tesla a luxury car is a joke. They have nothing close to the interior of true luxury cars . Everyone I've been in was noisy with road noise .
@@bobbybishop5662 Maybe. In 2012 nobody but Tesla sold a $60-$90K EV sedan that could go 0-60 under 4 seconds. The Leaf launched in 2010, and most people thought of EVs as econoboxes back then.
@@hereigoagain5050 Maybe my ass , neither of those have a Damm thing to do with my comment. Typical fanboy with no real argument .
@@bobbybishop5662 OK, so the Model S wasn't $50-$90K, and the Leaf wasn't on the market? Actually, I would happily buy a Tesla if Elon promised to go home to Mars.
Bobby needs an ass whoopin.
You got a big mouth, & I know what to put in it.
Please sir, can i have more.
What is the resale value?
Yes, the below $25,000 EV segment is a steal today!
Depends on the car. Tesla? You can buy a 2020 TM3 that has 50k miles on it for $22k. It was $37k new.
If it is a $2022 Ford Maverick in 2 years and 50k miles it will be $10k. Today it is $24k new.
@@davidbeppler3032 You're not going to buy a two year old Maverick for 10K, I wish that were true. The value of EV's Tesla in particular are falling like a rock.
@@davidbeppler3032 not with Tesla price drops.
Toyota, bring out an electric Celica!!!
Bridgestones got a flat tire.
For so called automotive “critics”.. . Not much criticism going on here. . .
Auto journalists not critics,.