See, this sort of video is the reason I'm subscribed to this channel. Impeccable reasoning. Even though I'm not of your faith, i find your reasoning very clear and sounds. Thank you for dedicating yourself, and putting so much effort into this!
@@DanielRojas-cg9zc How was it sound? One of the arguments was that we can check Mt. Olympus and therefore polytheism is false. Not even that he checked it, or that it would prove only the Greeks wrong.
It's not the most detailed answer but I find this question can be answered with the God, the world hates. Nobody hates the Roman, Greek, Norse nor the Egyptian gods. Most of the world seems to accept Muslims more any more, Jews to an extent but Christians they seem to be the most hated by atheists. They do not hate the fake Gods but the more real they become, the more they hate those religions. I think people know deep down who is real, and that is who they rebel most against.
Ur just wrong, atheists dont hate Christianity more than Islam, u just happen to live on a country that was/is Christians aka the atheists Will mostly be of a EX Christian background and BE anti Christian primarly because the country is Christian.... Meanwhile most atheists in Iran, Saudi, Egypt are primarly anti Islam... Most atheists in Índia are anti hindu .... Atheism Will attack the religion that is dominant in the culture not Christianity
Edit: nvm Brian made the point. Also, those “many gods” aren’t competitors for transcendent divinity, but rather presuppose background existence in which they participate. It’s the nature of that background existence that classical and neoclassical theism are discussing.
@@nunomartins2209 God is God. Jesus was the divine Word entering the world to bring people closer to the light. He is the Pince of Peace. The historical word you use to describe those who follow Jesus doesn't matter.
@@nunomartins2209 The Creator who speaks to us is the source of all light and love and truth. All created existence, every moment is sustained by the divine Word and Breath. And at the appointed time, the divine Word became flesh and lived among us, bringing us new and divine life. Call on the name of Jesus and meet him.
This is not correct. Sorry, not 100% of the Bible is perfect, Psalms 137:9 for example is about killing babies. Some god's were gentiles encountering Angels. Mary appearing has almost been mistaken as a "goddess" by Christians. The Church made the Bible, Christ made the Church. Christ taught Theosis, as is still the Eastern Orthodox core teaching.
@@namesecondname4548 it is correct. The Bible is 100% perfect, we are the ones who are wrong. No angel is going to allow itself to be worshipped. I'm sure you know all about the proper interpretation of Psalm 137. Bringing the imprecatory psalms up as if they are supposed to rock my faith is nothing but emotional manipulation
@@namesecondname4548 lmao. Is the New Testament also wrong? "But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils." 1 Cor 10:20
@@exhaustedrose: It's Psalm 95:5 in the Vulgate, Douay-Rheims and Knox, 96:5 in Protestant Bibles. There are no hard and fast rules, the originals did not come with chapters and verses.
The Romans didn't integrate the deities of other pantheons into their own because they sounded vaguely similar. Integrating regional deities was a means of tamping down potential revolts in conquered and annexed territories. It was easier to let the locals keep their local religions and gods than spend the manpower attempting to stamp them out, so long as they paid their taxes to the Roman state.
"source: I made it up" The Romans absolutely did spend troops and money stamping out cults. They literally didn't even consider cults to be real religions at all, and considered them a threat to the very existence of the empire. You should probably look into this yourself rather than just trusting what you are told.
@@marvalice3455Evidence of your own argument, please? When Rome invaded Israel during Jesus' time, the Jews were allowed to practice their religion, even after the Maccabean rebellion against a Roman idol in their Temple.
There was no such thing as a pantheon. All pagan "religions" are the exact same religion. Germanic paganism is the same as everything else, and polytheism never existed, it was henotheist, where there was one superior god to all the others. The imperial cult was important to maintain but it was all the same belief system everywhere.
@@bobbylewis2humans are linguistic idiots. There is no fucntional difference between the concepts of Saint/Angel and little g created, often semi-mortal gods. But humans are insane. Some argue that Toll Houses and Purgatory are "totally different things." That's stupid. Humans are stupid.
I like to turn the argument on it's head: "I do believe in thousands of gods, but I only worship God capital 'G', Lord of Lords." To clarify, I believe Zeus and all those other gods do exist in some fashion (and find it very interesting the commonality between pagan gods) but they are likely demons/fallen angels who likely do not have our best interests in mind.
May God bless you Brian. May God show you grace and help you when you are discouraged. May God bring peace to your family. May God use your successes and use your failures. May God make you more like our Lord Jesus who through his intervention made us brothers and sisters with his flesh and blood. And may God give you the wisdom to answer those who oppose you, and to navigate deftly in this dark world so all who see it may be astonished. 🙏✌️
Peace of Christ Brian! I know you are a busy guy, but I would highly recommend that you listen to the first episode of the podcast: "The Lord of Spirits," which is an Ancient Faith Ministries production. It talks a lot about the concepts you discuss here. The podcast is run by two Orthodox priests (Fr. Stephen De Young and Fr. Andrew Damick) and drills down on the definitions and context of "gods" and "angels" within scripture and the loss of the premodern understanding of these concepts. This podcast has been particularly edifying for me and opened my eyes to the greater context of God's grandeur as "The Most High God." (P.S. I am extremely grateful to you for all of your work and you were a critical resource for me in my conversion to Byzantine Catholicism. So thank you :) and God bless you!)
The Lord has given you an immense gift in the form of intelligent reasoning that in my opinion is unparalleled, and you are using this gift to spread his truth. Thank you
☦️Yes, except from the part embracing pagan Aristotle & his Monad - that is argument for polytheism really. Aquinas was blasphemous for embracing that satanic philosophy. It is very simple to prove our true God - the prophecies of the Bible were all fulfilled (except for the last day) exactly to the last detail in a way that it is impossible to achieve otherwise.
God has worked with all men from the beginning. If “it” is good, then “it” is from God. The Hebrews were using a moon calendar that led to famines. But God revealed to others the Spring equinox, which the Hebrews took advantage of, and adjusted their calendars. Thats one example.
8:32 we are but a thought to the creator. Our universe is decaying because the energy it takes to create the thought is being burned through. When this dream of the creator expires, another will begin. The entire universe is but a single firing neuron in the great vastness that is the creator.
How do i show you my God By displaying the goodness of my God in me Then my God will show himself in them ??? it worked to me and now it works for me ....but im new to this walk....
i cant say that i ever looked at it that way, great video . although i have a question at the end you mention how the apostles died and you said that if one dies today for his or her religion it will be by faith but they didnt. I am a little confused
The apostles didn't have faith that Jesus was risen from the dead. They saw it with their own eyes. Faith is the hope in something you have yet to see first hand. So, their testimony wasn't based on hope, but on the witness of the events they proclaimed
Collapsing the pantheons of European paganism into one set still leaves several other continents. Not to mention several generations of religion families across all continents.
Bear with me in this flow of thought: In reading the stories backing the various pantheons of gods throughout history, I am unaware of any claiming to have created all of existence, but instead the universe/creation predates the existence of these noted gods. In modern times we often hear the charge (in some form) that Yahweh/God is a latecomer and usurper to these pantheons of gods. I see it as the reverse: the pantheon gods are the usurpers to God. This would be due, in part, to the mind of humanity seeking to understand the world within the context of the limits of our being. Therefore, each god was specialized for a specific aspect of the physical world. They were also depicted as having the same faults that humanity exhibits: among them being selfish, capricious, and vindictive. They were often said to war with one another, and against humanity. They appear to be in competition with the created world. This thought is seen as a means to understand storms and natural disasters. Then there is Yahweh whom the Hebrews worshiped. He is not in competition with the the created world and humanity, nor does He demand to be worshiped as some in the pantheons do. Instead we have the one who spoke the universe into existence, as opposed to using force of physical violence. Many have difficulty with Gods in that He is unlike humanity in His being. It is simpler for use to conceive that which has limits similar to ourselves as well as our own possibility to attain a level of power as depicted by these gods. The human understanding of the timeline of creation is skewed by the limits of our knowledge and the desire of some to believe humanity knows everything.
The Lord said to Saint John "I make all things new" (Rev 21:5). Its as if the "New Evangelization" is not unlike the world that Saint Peter, and the Apostles, united with him had to go into. Even today there are 2 billion Christians in the world out of almost 8 billion. That's a lot of people who've never heard the Gospel, and its made worse with so many Christians that are weak in their faith.
Peter denying Jesus Christ 3 times is one of the things that convinced me. Before that, I'd think "if the apostles weren't liars, it's most likely they were crazy".
Linguistic and cultural relativity shows us that discussing the 'existence of God' is a complex issue, as each culture-and even each individual-has unique concepts of divinity. Instead of trying to define or argue about God in absolute terms, we should focus on the benefits of believing that you are not the center of the universe. This shift in perspective can foster humility, community, and a sense of purpose, offering practical benefits that transcend specific religious or cultural beliefs.
I think the main differences is how God is understood. As far as I understand it, Christianity and Judaism (and Sikhi) are the only faiths that ecourage a real humble relationship with God as one who forgives, not just performing rites in order to reach salvation. Buddhist meditation practice does have benefits, but what happens after reaching enlightenment (rarely happens) and one dies? It doesn't have an awnser for that. Neither does Hindu practices (my opinion sorry). Yes living a good life is encouraged, but who forgives?
@@flameofthewest6196 Christianity only mostly forgives though. You can't say God forgives when he will cast you out to burn for eternity for the sin of unbelief. Rape, murder, and slavery are all fine, but to not believe is unforgiveable.
@scottneusen9601 no those things are not "fine" and never have been. Just because past events that were violent are recorded in the Bible and Torah, does not mean that those things are appoved of. Deliberate rejection of our Creator does have consciquences though. High rates of divorce, depression, drug use, declining birthrates, accepence of "subjective truth" rather than objective truth, deviating from Natural Law, ecessive materialism, etc. and you can see those consciquences above as society has rejected our Creator.
@@flameofthewest6196You point out those things which are at a higher rate now, but the rate of rape, murder, and slavery are down today versus when God was accepted by everyone in tne west. Why does God cause those things?
@@flameofthewest6196 You may buy your slaves from the lands and people around you. But you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you. Why does God commanding not count as causing?
In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says that its not ideal for people to worship gods. There is an Infinite One. Core texts older than Hinduism describe the creation of the universe the same way as in the Judeo: first there was thought, then sound, then light. So I don't understand why Hindus practice idol worship. They use a pantheon of gods that are not part of the Puranic texts. It seems to me the 4000+ year old Vedic texts were solid. They esteem God the One, and the 'gods' in the stories were venerated as servants to God, much like we Catholics do with our Saints. And their figure of Krishna is rather similar to Christ. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna's main premise throughout is that we should serve God's purpose, even if it is an ugly one. The archer Arjuna does not want to go to war and kill. So Krishna tells Arjuna this apocalyptic war is meant to be, and Arjuna must kill. It is his divine duty. It's no different than Ecclesiastes, '...a time to kill, a time to heal, a time to break down, and a time to build.'
@@orangemanbad This book is from possibly 6000 or more years before Christ. Some Hindus have made Krishna out to be Gods incarnate, though. They ignore that Krishna said only to mind the One Infinite God. To me Hindus are like many Protestants who idolize Jesus to the point that they dont consider the Infinite Unknowable God. They ask for worldly things and success and happiness without suffering, right here, right now. Catholics remember that Jesus is one part of the Trinity, so we dont lose focus on the First Cause that was not a man. But when you conceptualize God only in a finite form, like a human, then there are problems...
@@oodo2908First of all Krishna doesn't say I'm only a messenger & you should worship The One above me. He says Iam the God. He made very distinct claims of Godhood.
@@oodo2908 that’s a very bizarre way of explaining it. As a Catholic I can help you understand our view. We believe in only One God. It gets confusing in English because we call Jesus the son of God so people seem to be confused that he is some additional god. But in truth, he is simply the visible image of the invisible God. He came so we can know God and understand him because the Father in heaven is unknowable and too incomprehensible for us. But it’s only ONE God, One being who has shown himself in 3 forms.
The ancient Greeks didn't believe the gods were actual physical beings living in temples or on top of mountains... They were conceived as cosmic forces within the universe. You should really read the theological works of Proclus... Also, the ancient Greeks did not think the world was random and chaotic, I'm not sure where you are getting this notion from. Many hymns/texts describe how everything in the universe has a divine symmetry and harmony... I mean, Apollo's lyre literally represents the tuning of the cosmos to harmony.
Was accused of being arrogant by a New Ager for believing in only one path to God. "Unlike you intolerant Christians, I believe in many paths to God. It's also ridiculous to believe in one path when there's thousands of gods and thousands of religions, yet ya'll act like you're better than everyone." My response: 1)The fact that there's thousands of gods and religions actually helps my view and not hurt it as you claim. The reason there are thousands of gods and religions is because they all contradict each other. If they didn't contradict each other, there would only be one religion. If you walk into a room and ask a thousand people about a particular topic, and they all contradict each other, the only logical conclusion you can come to is either one of them is right and the rest are wrong or they're ALL wrong. 2)You act as though tolerance is in of itself a moral good and are saying you're morally superior for believing in multiple paths, but isn't choosing to believe in multiple paths in of itself choosing a path of belief? And aren't you currently being intolerant to my belief? Your statement is self-defeating when you're doing the very thing you accuse me of in the statement itself. 3)You claim Christians think they're better than you for believing in one path yet you're the one looking down on me right now. Not only does it make your New Age beliefs hypocritical, but an impossible standard. To correct your misunderstanding of Christian doctrine, we don't think we're better than you, in fact it's the opposite. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, which is why we need a savior. It is precisely because we're no better than any other wicked and selfish person that we must put our faith in God rather than our own "good" works.
The only time I personally bring up this argument is when I'm bored of debating the normal arguments against theism. But it is still a very valid question that usually can't be answered by the normal arguments used by theists.
I have to refute everything here. Even if you can arrive to some philosophical notion of God that is definable, understandable, provable, you cannot equate it to the Jahweh, El of the old testament (which were originally separate gods) and the very ambiguous figure of Jesus in the new testament. And then we have a bunch of sticky subjects like the Holy Trinity, angels, demons and Satan. Your philosophical god separate from the universe is not exactly what Christians believe either.
One of the reasons that I’m being forced out of Christianity is that it is too full of contradictions and absurdities, just as people moved on from polytheism to Christianity and Islam. The loftier reaches of Hinduism and Mahayana Buddhism seem to me to provide a truer and more satisfying account of ultimate reality than any Abrahamic religion.
"Lets create man in OUR image". Who else is HE talking to? "Worship no OTHER GODS above me" In my mind, it seems like all those "mythic" gods are the angels of GOD Above All.
Factual inaccuracy: The Sophists were very much in favor of science and were early advocates of something akin to the theory of human and economic development. Yes, they were epistenological sceptics, but not in the sense of believing in chaos.
“To many ancient thinkers…” is not factually inaccurate. Sophist enjoyed observational arguments, but were they the only thinkers? There were Greeks who did hold that much of the universe was chaotic.
"Of course there is only 1 god, and of course he is the god of my religion." A bit too convenient, especially since NO empirical evidence is ever presented for said deity's existence (ancient scriptures are not empirical evidence, mes amis).
to push further, you'd think the god (if it was one who gave a shit like his preferred god allegedly does), would just show up to all of us and end this debate since hiding serves no real purpose
@@Unclenate1000But God doesn't want robots!😂😂😂 Yes, it's far better for most of mankind to be damned to eternal torture than to know about God's presence w/o a doubt.
@@Charlotte_Martel yep. Apparently the all intelligent god couldnt figure out how to allow us simply to make a choice for or against him in a single instance where he presents it all in front of us, while also not giving us the ability to harm other people/children over a lifetime. No the two completely distinct things HAVE to go together!
This is such a non-argument. No one finds it profound except for fellow Christians. You're not a convert, you've always been Christian, you just switched churches.
All the Gods have been multiple and many. Even Christianity has the Trinity of three gods which Christians admit makes no logical sense but we are assured God understands. But to humans it is three different God's. Then when Moses converted to Yahweh the god of the Shasu People the Jews couldn't just dump El Elyon Abrahams God he was dear to the people as were his stories of creation, Noah and so on so it was claimed that they were the same God just different names. This as we know was an old Egyptian trick. Tell the conquered people that their god was the same as your god. Merge them and eventually theirs just goes away. Conquering a people was easier than denying them their religion. In the Old Testament we now don't see the names El Elyon or Yahweh anymore it all becomes Lord and God so we don't ask questions. The same happened with the gods (Elohim) who helped El Elyon create the world (We made man in our image). Though the Elohim are mentioned over two thousand times in the Old Testament they become changed to a singular God and the name Elohim disappears. Hopefully your Pastor will help you understand these truths that might threaten lesser people's faith.
Brian is making a ton of assumptions concerning the stories in the bible. I suggest some research in proving the bible is a true depiction of history and studying history in other sources to backup his claims. If you study the pagan religion that were before Christianity you would see many parallels such as In pagan mythology, the prophet whose story most closely resembles Moses is Balaam; both are depicted as divinely gifted individuals who are approached by a king to curse a specific group of people, but instead, are compelled by a higher power to bless them instead. So Your proof of your God is null and void based on your emitting other past stories of deities and prophets.
Christian apologists seem to be almost completely unable to discuss Hidnusism and Buddhism - you talked about Paganism, Pantheism and the Abrahamic religions. Yes I know Buddhism doesn't acknowledge a supreme God, but the most supreme in Buddhism remains ineffable. What happens to a Buddha after his death cannot possibly be put into words. But we have this from the Zen-Teacher Huang Po for instance: "All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but One Mind, beside which nothing exists. This Mind, which is without beginning, is unborn and indestructible. It is not green nor yellow, and has neither form nor appearance. It does not belong to the categories of things which exist or do not exist, nor can it be thought of in terms of new or old. It is that which you see before you - begin to reason about it, and you at once fall into error. It is like the boundless void which cannot be fathomed or measured. The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient beings, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek externally for Buddhahood." Or in Hinduism we have Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita - first to dispute that (all of) Hinduism is Polytheist Krishna Sais in Bhagavad Gita 9:23: "Even those devotees who, endowed with faith, worship other gods, worship Me alone, Ο son of Kunti, though in a wrong way." And what does Krishna claim about himself (Bg 10.39-: " Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being-moving or nonmoving-that can exist without Me. O mighty conqueror of enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences. Know that all opulent, beautiful and glorious creations spring from but a spark of My splendor." Both Buddhism and some forms of Hinduism are extremely sophisticated and aren't easily put into the quite pedestrian thinking of western philosophy and theology.
Discussions about Buddhism and Hinduism among apologists, if they happen, are invariably so shallow as to be grotesque. It's far better to listen to spiritually experienced adepts in christian meditation and mystical traditions who will have a much better grasp of it.
Dont assume, use your brain until it makes any sense.. Say Gods exist, but please find The God of the Gods.. The most powerful the one who creates everything. It they are similar to us then they are not a God. Cz they will have flaws...
I used to follow ku yearsago to my shame, its not him, but i think theyre all real, im fairly certain they are demons like the man who quoted psalm 95 pointed out. 2 years and two months down eternity to go :)
The whole problem with the other gods is that they do exist, but that they are lesser beings. Notably, not one of these claims to be the One God, as the God of Israel does. They are only Gods of particular places, people's, cities & families. When God judges the Gods of Egypt he does not judge fictional beings. Also, for accuracy's sake: Christianity is not monotheistic, the Church Fathers speak of a "monarchia". Monotheism is a category developed in the Enlightenment.
There aren't thousands of GODS, there are thousands of "gods". (g)ods who are created, subordinate, mortal etc. Pagan gods = saints, angels, demons, damned. The wording for "gods" was used even in biblical early linguistics for these things. Jesus said "ye are gods", so you're a god, I'm a god, Michael Jordan is a god of basketball. But none of us are GODs.
Who cares who the true god is? I think, the greatest God is the one who ALWAYS has your back! I won't change Mmy mind. BTW, I worship Justice, as Justice is a concept that is about continuous societal progression and accountability for bad behavior. There's nothing more advanced than Justice, as society is an observable empirical body of objective data; and we KNOW what leadership leads where.
An even better response than “which god?” would be what is far more likely: there very well may be a gods, but it is highly unlikely that ANY of the god, including the desert god, Yahweh, from the ANE corner of the globe. You know the one, the one who, just like all the preexisting gods in his area, loves the smell of burning flesh, is capricious in nature, rides on a cloud, sits on a throne just as men do, and so on? And as for including embarrassing anecdotes of the disciples, that is a long-used trope in literature from ancient times to the modern day, that if the bumbling sidekick. If the disciples look the fool, Jesus looks all the better.
For one God to exist ALL gods must exist, since they'll theoretically exist, within the same matrix. If one God, doesn't exist, then NONE do, since every single God, would have to exist, within the same exact plane of existence, or non existence.
He is very bias in his theory and make too many assumptions regarding the bibles authentic stories. One has to believe the stories in the bible and the history reported therein are true and accurate in order to go with what he says in this video. Many Bible scholars have proven the Bible is only Fables and myths.
every century we get a new variation with a new set of beliefs. Religion itself morphs all the time, and so do the people who believe it. We all used to believe in possession. Now the world knows better and we have psychiatrists. Conviction is based on where you are born and what you get exposed to at any given time.
This claim is based on a conception of religion that would hold that any change over time would make religion A, for example, entirely different in kind rather than degree. Have you considered the idea that the God of the universe could be great enough to write a story with dynamic characters that have purpose because they less than uniformly discover through the reason He gifts them exactly how it is they should live and do so in a way rightly praising Him perfectly?
@@cyano741also, many psychiatrists rightfully acknowledge the existence of spiritual evil in the form of demonic activity. What we have learned is that the world is far more complex and that there are indeed other problems than can occur independent or comorbidly with posession such as mental health issues or pathologies related to physical health problems.
Fact: If a non-Christian people group encounter an Angel they would call it "a god". Same with a Demon. Mary has appeared to people and they thought she was "a goddess." God the Father is an infinite, uncreated Awareness which is outside creation and is Pure Truth. The Son and Spirit are that God, begotten not made, in creation as a non embodied Consciousness of pure Light, Omniscience and Love. That creator God also made super beings, the Seraphim and Archangels for example, some of whom fell from grace. Those are what Gentiles call "the gods." These super beings, and the Bible directly states, are active in interacting with humanity.
Kind of odd how you mention that pagans adopted other gods from lands they conquered, when Chistians adopted other relgious traditions to appeal more to pagan.
They didn’t you don’t have any actual historical evidence any claim you make is false and not true you are just lying denying the truth. Even if your claim is correct how does that invalidate God it’s a nothing arguement did you read the Old Testament the people in that did crazy things against God but he didn’t disappear and cease to exist.
Traditions? maybe a few arbitrary ones, such as the dates for holidays and a few festivities here and there, but the theology and actual religion part of Christianity remains unchanged.
Existence and reality is the physical proof. From there, you logically invaluate it and its necessary origins. Then, we learn of Salvation History through Biblical Historiography and surrounding sources.
@@Idishrkdmd Because god is suppose to be unchanging, but not only does he change it constancy, he contradicts his own statements, which explains why the bible is incoherent.
“Climb up to Mt Olympus and see they are not there.” Silly Brian. Doesn’t he realize Mt Olympus is symbolic? I mean, once upon a time could one walk into the tabernacle tent in the Israelite camp and look upon Yahweh in the Holy of Holies? Sheesh, next thing he’ll say is Shiva has many arms.
Accept it wasn’t the Greeks made up excuses like that the Heavens were invisible but they definitely believed that. Next you’ll say Icarus was scientifically accurate because the suns warm you completely grasp at non arguements as excuses the ancient Greek pantheon has incorrect cosmology anyway it can’t be true. Tabernacle was real and still is to this day Christ sits in them in every church.
@@Idishrkdmd You make a brilliant point. My point exactly. Just as the Greeks “made up excuses” the level of absurdity in the excuse-making in Christendom is through-the-roof mad, isn’t it? Magical powers of saints’ body parts, bread becomes flesh except it’s not, Noah’s ark, stationary Sun, soon and so forth. Christians cannot even remotely agrrr on what’s literal and what’s symbolic. A bit ironic, eh?
@@BigIdeaSeeker It's pretty easy to determine what is and isn't symbolic or metaphorical. There's 66 books, they aren't all going to be the same, narratively. Like it's very important to understand the message of the bible is singular, and all roads lead to it in some capacity. It's also important to look at text as charitably as possible.
@@TheDragonageorigins It’s “easy”, is it? But you must admit, it is easy for anyone who wants to see disparate stories, sources, or texts as a cohesive whole to do so, no? I mean I can look at the works of Hesiod and Homer, or even Livy and Virgil and twist them into a cohesive structure. The Bible offers very different views of God’s character, plans and desires. All one has to do do is say that he intended to change things, had a plan all along, or due to man’s free will had to make adjustments. So too, the Greeks and Romans have progressed as “revelation” guided humanity. Yea, the idea is absurd, but so too is your idea that the Bible’s many texts are univocal.
hey Brian, I love topics like this, but I'm not a big fan of the AI-generated assets/thumbnails. They look visibly more lifeless than real photography or art.
There's no real way to truly know God from all the false ones. The so called "evidence" for the life, death and resurrection of Christ is two millenia old and comes from sources that cannot be verified simply because of the enormous time gap. The only standard with which we CAN gleam at the nature of God comes from Jesus Himself; by their fruit ye shall know them. Just like true believers bear good fruit, so does true faith bear good fruit. The best and only evidence we truly have for the Divinity of Jesus are the validity of His teachings; and no, I'm not talking about the theological nonsense people have built around Him since He departed this world, I mean His commandments. Love God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as yourself. When arguing with Atheists, they have the logical high ground, no matter how much we believers might wish it to be otherwise. The scientific world simply doesn't recognize, nor does it need God. The laws of physics work as they do and the question of Divinity is irrelevant to science. True Faith is of the heart, not of the head. This has always been and shall always be the case. We as Christians should've stopped arguing about theological semantics ages ago and just do as our Lord commanded. Instead, we fall in love with our own ideas and we reduce faith into theology, pretending it to be science. Science cannot touch anything that is not of this world, neither can human logic, no matter how much people wish to insert Aristotle into the doctrines of Christ.
But it's not all about us with True Faith already but about reaching out to the lost including Atheists. Like Paul said: 'For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made..'. The scientific world cannot adequately explain how the finely tuned universe came into existence, or how non-living matter became alive, DNA programmed, and 'evolved' without intelligent cause. Jesus performed all those miracles, died for our sin, then rose as evidence to prove who he is. The multiple recorded witness testimonies and forensic evidence on the shroud would hold up in court and may even sway hard hearts today away from the ideas of R. Dawkins et al.
@@william3347 I can tell you right away that you will never convince a single serious atheist with these "logical" arguments, their counter arguments will always be stronger. I should know, I was a rather militant atheist myself for a long time. The "multiple recorded witnesses from two thousand years ago" would definitely NOT hold up in ANY reasonable court. The entire Bible would be suspect because it is not a neutral source, but rather one with an agenda. Shroud of Turin is most likely just a fraud that gullible believers are more than willing to believe in order to bolster their failing faith. Likewise there is zero admissible evidence on any of Jesus' miracles. The fact that some people two thousand years ago may have died believing them according to rather sparse, inconclusive and completely unverifiable sources is NOT evidence, let alone proof. Not even close. As for Science, it can easily explain how evolution works; the counter arguments for evolution are simply nonsensical at best and dishonest at worst. Usually both. How the universe came to being and how the first self-replicating molecules came into existence on the other hand remain a mystery. The latter will probably be figured out at some point, while the former is likely to remain a mystery forever. The theistic line of argumentation will never convert an atheist who is even remotely scientifically literate. If you TRULY want to help someone come to Christ, then let them hear the words of the Savior Himself. You should know the limits of your understanding and stop pretending you've got any clue what so ever on this subject. It is a lot less shameful to admit your ignorance than trying to hide it, and trust me, anyone who knows anything about anything will instantly recognize the limits of your understanding. You can only fool those who also know nothing. Instead, you should act in love and humility and let your virtue disarm the unbeliever. Don't try to answer questions you don't understand, but rather focus on living your life in the manner our Lord instructed. In your case the most important thing you can do if you wish to lead people to Christ, argue less and pray more.
Even in the fallen state, man can, by his natural intellectual power, know religious and moral truths. In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order. Those are infallible teachings of the Catholic Church. It is fairly straightforward to observe other religions' dogmas, compare them with the Church's, and conclude that the other religions have a great deal of error mixed in. So it is false to say that >. We can also observe, through the Eastern Catholic Churches, what kinds of things change with the same Divine Revelation and different cultures. Despite overlapping with the cultures and people that practice false religions, they are far more like the Catholic Church than those false religions.
Too nuch philosophising here. This cannot be answered by rational argument. The true God is the one that Christians meet in the Eucharist. Moses met the same God in the burning bush. I assume Brian has been reading Aquinas. Remember that he described his own writings as straw.
Yes..straw compared to Holy Writ Holy pronouncements by Councils and Popes..COMPARED..but Aquinas is not meaning that his work doesn't have any intrinsic value..it has immense intrinsic value!..so much so that the Church and Popes have constantly said that Aquinas is the answer to which all things should be measured..doesn't mean it's as good as Holy Writ or the like but actually it comforms to all of it and actually without adding to anything, enlightens it, to which people can understand the Truths of the Faith so much better..so much easier..Aquinas' writing are straw COMPARED not just empty straw in itself..also just because YOU think something is to hard or even if you think it isn't hard but to philosophical..what makes you the arbiter of what is and isn't important within the faith?..I thought that was left to the Church, with all do respect..God bless Mary protect +++
I can tell your personality from your comment denying philosophy for God to understand and praise him in his interaction with creation is certainly good it’s just not what is the greatest Aquinas knew that the Eucharist was most important philosophy is minuscule compared to it but it is still important and Good to deny it is silly.
@@davidniedjaco9869 Aquinas was making the "Straw" comparison in relation to the revelations which he received at the very end of his life. There is a possible context to his writings, which he produced at the time of the controversy with St Gregory Palamas and the assertion of apophatic theology which prevails in the Eastern Orthodox Church.
@@Idishrkdmd I am in good company, in that case. 1 Corinthinians 1:18-20 Other religions are heavy with philosophy but it does no get in the way of their following of false Gods.
It seems to me that most people will determine no evidence of that God good enough though. Philosophically necessary is not good enough. Historical correctness in the undersigned coincidence of the scripture not good enough. Prophecies being fulfilled 100’s of years after there telling not good enough. Miracles like Fatima in front of thousands not good enough. There is plenty of evidence people just won’t accept it because they have hardened their hearts to the thought of it. That’s why flat earthers exist no matter the evidence it’s not good enough for them most atheists are just flat earthers in a religious sense.
My issue with making statements like this is it's inherently a loaded statement. Like there's dozens of questions one must know about the person making a statement like this in order to hone it on what exactly they're looking for. I'm sure if you wanted to be specific you would say you're asking for evidence. That narrows it down to like 10 other questions.
@@st.mephisto8564 The Trinity is the only coherent model with regard to natural theology and divine simplicity. If you want Hinduism to be coherent, then Vishnu, Shiva, and Kali must all be identical to the divine essence, and only really distinct in personhood by relative opposition. To my knowledge, the one divine essence, Brahman, is manifested in a multiplicity of gods, which reduces to modalism.
This issue only exists because the specific god of christianity clearly isnt real. If he was, then his characteristics of all powerful and all loving would logically compel him, due to the standards of his own perfect and giving nature, to show himself to us and make things clear and obvious. Especially when theres literally no reason not to
Baiame ... 60 thousand year old story of creation . And if you get right into it you see how more modern stories of creation could have come from this origin .
How to know which God is the right one _is_ the story of the Tanakh. Not even God's chosen people stuck with him. 10 of the tribes went off to worship other gods and separated themselves from the kingdom. If those that saw him work in their lives chose a different God who are we to say that we have chosen correctly when we have even less context? Also how do we go from God judging the Gods of Egypt, doing battle with Dagon, and Baal to monotheism? Were the other Gods defeated? If so why then was God's kingdom conquered by the Greek and then Roman Gods? Why also did Christ eventually become absorbed into the culture that crucified him?
Jesus concern was to spread the faith over the entire World. As Paul said there is no Greek and no Jew…. Many Jews did convert and many did not. And when Christianity spread into the known world the diaspora the Christians were heavily persecuted for over 300 years to spread the faith. Perhaps read up on Christian history whether you agree with or not it is interesting to learn about. So much was this desire that the Church names themselves the Catholic Church in the first century because they were the Universal Church. As Jesus said to baptize people of all nations.
"Also how do we go from God judging the Gods of Egypt, doing battle with Dagon, and Baal to monotheism?" Answer, this occurred through revelation through the Jewish prophets. As the prophet Daniel explained, the gods of the pagans are nothing but devils (fallen angels). In Babylonian captivity, it is revealed to the Jewish people that their God, Yahweh, was the one true God. Before this the Jewish people were in a state of monolatry. After this they were monotheistic. "If so why then was God's kingdom conquered by the Greek and then Roman Gods? " The Kingdom of Judea was conquered by the Greek and Roman empires not their gods. Judea was liberated from Greek oppression by Judas Maccabeus and his men and the Temple was reopened which is why the Jews celebrate Hanukkah. Judea fell after scripture was fulfilled by Christ. "Why also did Christ eventually become absorbed into the culture that crucified him?" Christianity over came the pagan culture of Rome and transformed society. Christ is Savior, Sanctifier, and Redeemer for all people who believe in him. The Christian Roman Empire was no longer the pagan Roman Empire that crucified Christ! "Not even God's chosen people stuck with him. 10 of the tribes went off to worship other gods and separated themselves from the kingdom." Those who separate themselves perished. "If those that saw him work in their lives chose a different God who are we to say that we have chosen correctly when we have even less context?" We live and they perished, that is how we know we have chosen correctly. Those who abide in the one True God have life, the rest perish in the end!
Suppose you have a wealthy friend. This friend asks you to worship and praise him, love him and in return he will help you whenever you need it. Then you come down with a disease that is fatal if not treated. The medication is not covered by insurance, nor will your government pay for the medications. Unfortunately you can't get the financing to pay for it. You go to your wealthy friend who you have worshipped, praise and loved and ask him for money to pay for the medicine that will save your life. This amount although large to you is not even a drop in the bucket to your rich friend. The rich friend tells you no, I won't help you now, maybe in the future or maybe not. You plead with him for help as you need the medicine now in order to save your life. The friend says sorry but helping you would take away your free will. So you end up dying a suffering and painful death. That is not a friend but someone who used you. Well, that's exactly what the Christian god does here. The exception is you have actual evidence that your wealthy friend exists - we have no good evidence that the Christian god exists.
God does answer prayers however he can chose to answer or not too depending on what is being asked of him and if it is right to grant it. You create a false analogy above by describing God as a wealthy friend and expecting him to think and act as a human being in paying for medical treatment. God has actually performed medical miracles for people which are documented and often associated with the intercedence of Saints and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Jordon Pederson's wife, Tammy, is one of these people. Also God actually helping someone does not at all take away someone's freewill.
"The exception is you have actual evidence that your wealthy friend exists - we have no good evidence that the Christian god exists." Wrong, the Shroud of Turin provides all the needed evidence of Christ's death and resurrection.
God loves me and respects my feel will, but if I ask Him for help he is there. If He doesn’t cure me of my sickness, I don’t spurn Him. I accept that it is t worrying Him so I shouldn’t worry about it either. It’s not easy, but things that are worthwhile are not easy. Even more so, God answers prayers all the time. Go to Him and ask for help believing if you need to.
@@johnroesch2159 There’s no good evidence that prayers are answered. What you are doing is the fallacious reasoning of counting the hits and ignoring the misses. The Christian organization the Templeton Foundation actually tested prayer and the results showed prayer worked at the same rate as non prayer. You also are using fallacious reasoning of the double standard- one for humans and another different standard for the god You believe exists. If it would be wrong for people to behave a certain way it would also be just as wrong for god to behave the same way. It would be like saying it’s wrong for an ordinary person to commit murder but it would be ok for a rich important to commit murder just as it would be wrong for god to commit murder. Murder is just wrong because it is wrong and not because someone or some god says so. I mean you might think murder is ok(I don’t know what you think) but just about everyone agrees murder is wrong. I have to say this because some ignorant Christians have asked me why is murder wrong? I can’t believe these Christian’s don’t know why murder is wrong, something I even figured out for myself when I was just a small child without believing in any gods.
@@johnroesch2159 The Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth that tradition associates with the crucifixion and burial of Jesus, has undergone numerous scientific tests, the most notable of which is radiocarbon dating, in an attempt to determine the relic's authenticity. In 1988, scientists at three separate laboratories dated samples from the Shroud to a range of 1260-1390 CE, which coincides with the first certain appearance of the shroud in the 1350s and is much later than the burial of Jesus in 30 or 33 CE. Aspects of the 1988 test continue to be debated. Despite some technical concerns that have been raised about radiocarbon dating of the Shroud, no radiocarbon-dating expert has asserted that the dating is substantially unreliable.
Who did Jesus say is the true God. At John 17:3, he said his Father, Yahweh, is "the ONLY true God." The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." Since Jesus' Father is the true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? *NONE!!* That sure puts an arrow in the heart of the Catholic doctrine that God is a trinity. Unfortunate, Catholics can't see that.
This objection assumes that God can only be one person. Since Jesus affirms that He is God (John 8:58). He also affirms that He and the Father are not the same person (John 17:5). It follows that God is one infinite act of being who exists as more than one person.
@@Ruudes1483 "This objection assumes that God can only be one person." So true. After all, 1. Jesus _did_ address his Father as the "ONLY true God" at John 17:3 The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." So, since Jesus' Father is the only true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Uh, *NONE.* 2. Jesus did say to his disciples at John 20:17: that 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to *MY GOD* and your God.'" Clearly Jesus God' and Father was also the God and Father of his followers. One Father, One God, not, three persons, one God. 3. At 1 Cor. 8:6a, Paul wrote: "yet for us *there is one God, the Father,* from whom all things are and for whom we exist." In this portion of the verse,. did Paul say there are three persons in "one God"? No, he didn't. Instead, he said the "one God" is one person, namely, the Father, whose personal name in Catholic Bibles, is "Yahweh." (Ex. 3:15; 6:3) 4. At Eph 4:6, Paul wrote: "Let us give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!" In this verse." In this portion of the verse, did Paul say that the "one God was three persons? No. Instead he called the Father "the ONE GOD." 5. At 1 Pet. 1:3a, Peter wrote: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus." In this verse, did Peter say God was more than one person? No, he didn't. Instead, he said God was Jesus' Father. Now, tell me, when you think of the word 'father,' how many persons do you think of? One person or three? "Since Jesus affirms that He is God (John 8:58). He also affirms that He and the Father are not the same person (John 17:5) Let's see. John 8:58 says: "Jesus replied: In all truth I tell you, before Abraham ever was, I am." Uh, where in this verse did Jesus say he was God, especially sing Catholics believe God is a trinity? Do you say God is a trinity?
@@cbooth151 They’re pretty self explanatory. I don’t want to read my own, personal interpretation into it. I read it as it’s written and interpret it how the Church teaches it. But thanks for your attempt to deflect.
☦️🤝✝️Dear Brian, I am sorry, but only the second part when you started talking about the destruction of the Temple was to the point. The 1st part, though you Catholics don't realize, is actually an argument AGAINST our faith, and exactly the reason for the calamities upon the Church & our current state. No, you don't put a positive argument for our faith by given the example of the "unmoved mover" of pagan Aristotles & the Greeks - that false god with no real attributes, who doesn't love you in a real sense, who is just a "1st cause", explained by phisical terms, who just there like a projector, akin to the sun is the god of Deists or Atheists (basically the big bang). And for those Greek pagans it was also a god like Zeus or his father - the father & grandfather of all the other gods. By "unmoved" Platon & Aristotles meant he has no attributes or emotions as Scriptures tell us the God of Moses has. By Aquinas & the Catholic Church's embrace of pagan Greek philosophy manifested in council of Florence, which was *condemned* by the Church fathers AND by St. Emperor Justinianus & the holy fathers at 2nd Ecumenical council of Constantinopolis, they brought the fall of the Empire & the 2nd Rome (Constantinopolis). Pagan Greek philosophy must not be emposed on our Scripture & Gospels, we don't need wordly knowledge to explain the divine, which it cannot do anyway - that was explicitly taught by the Blessed Apostle.
See, this sort of video is the reason I'm subscribed to this channel. Impeccable reasoning. Even though I'm not of your faith, i find your reasoning very clear and sounds. Thank you for dedicating yourself, and putting so much effort into this!
@@DanielRojas-cg9zc How was it sound? One of the arguments was that we can check Mt. Olympus and therefore polytheism is false. Not even that he checked it, or that it would prove only the Greeks wrong.
Dude- Muhammad didn’t even exist!
Fitting this was posted on the Feast Day of Saint Luke the Evangelist!
It's not the most detailed answer but I find this question can be answered with the God, the world hates. Nobody hates the Roman, Greek, Norse nor the Egyptian gods. Most of the world seems to accept Muslims more any more, Jews to an extent but Christians they seem to be the most hated by atheists. They do not hate the fake Gods but the more real they become, the more they hate those religions. I think people know deep down who is real, and that is who they rebel most against.
YES! Very well said!
Very interesting observation. However, I would argue Jews are disliked as much, if not more than christians.
Because the one True God makes demands in His creation - people don’t like this
Ur just wrong, atheists dont hate Christianity more than Islam, u just happen to live on a country that was/is Christians aka the atheists Will mostly be of a EX Christian background and BE anti Christian primarly because the country is Christian.... Meanwhile most atheists in Iran, Saudi, Egypt are primarly anti Islam... Most atheists in Índia are anti hindu .... Atheism Will attack the religion that is dominant in the culture not Christianity
@@laurakeister5965no
Thank you Brian Holdsworth
God is Truth and Truth is God. Truth is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient.
theirs a paradox in their somewhere.
God is truth, but truth is not God lol. There is a colossal difference there.
Gawd isn't real
This is True.
@@kingflockthewarrior202 there is not
Edit: nvm Brian made the point.
Also, those “many gods” aren’t competitors for transcendent divinity, but rather presuppose background existence in which they participate. It’s the nature of that background existence that classical and neoclassical theism are discussing.
The God who gave people like Mr. Holdsworth a mind to discuss gods, that is the One.
Yes Ur right, and that God isnt the God of christianity
@@nunomartins2209 God is God. Jesus was the divine Word entering the world to bring people closer to the light. He is the Pince of Peace.
The historical word you use to describe those who follow Jesus doesn't matter.
@@stephenbailey9969 Jesus isnt God, christianity is fake
@@stephenbailey9969 The God of christianity, the god of the bible is not true
@@nunomartins2209 The Creator who speaks to us is the source of all light and love and truth.
All created existence, every moment is sustained by the divine Word and Breath.
And at the appointed time, the divine Word became flesh and lived among us, bringing us new and divine life.
Call on the name of Jesus and meet him.
Very well done, Brian. Great job!
Great video Brian, keep the good stuff coming!
Psalm 95:5 For all the gods of the gentiles are devils
Why is this 96:5 in some translations?
This is not correct. Sorry, not 100% of the Bible is perfect, Psalms 137:9 for example is about killing babies. Some god's were gentiles encountering Angels. Mary appearing has almost been mistaken as a "goddess" by Christians.
The Church made the Bible, Christ made the Church. Christ taught Theosis, as is still the Eastern Orthodox core teaching.
@@namesecondname4548 it is correct. The Bible is 100% perfect, we are the ones who are wrong.
No angel is going to allow itself to be worshipped. I'm sure you know all about the proper interpretation of Psalm 137. Bringing the imprecatory psalms up as if they are supposed to rock my faith is nothing but emotional manipulation
@@namesecondname4548 lmao. Is the New Testament also wrong? "But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils." 1 Cor 10:20
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It's Psalm 95:5 in the Vulgate, Douay-Rheims and Knox, 96:5 in Protestant Bibles.
There are no hard and fast rules, the originals did not come with chapters and verses.
The Romans didn't integrate the deities of other pantheons into their own because they sounded vaguely similar. Integrating regional deities was a means of tamping down potential revolts in conquered and annexed territories. It was easier to let the locals keep their local religions and gods than spend the manpower attempting to stamp them out, so long as they paid their taxes to the Roman state.
"source: I made it up"
The Romans absolutely did spend troops and money stamping out cults.
They literally didn't even consider cults to be real religions at all, and considered them a threat to the very existence of the empire.
You should probably look into this yourself rather than just trusting what you are told.
@@marvalice3455Evidence of your own argument, please? When Rome invaded Israel during Jesus' time, the Jews were allowed to practice their religion, even after the Maccabean rebellion against a Roman idol in their Temple.
There was no such thing as a pantheon. All pagan "religions" are the exact same religion. Germanic paganism is the same as everything else, and polytheism never existed, it was henotheist, where there was one superior god to all the others. The imperial cult was important to maintain but it was all the same belief system everywhere.
@@bobbylewis2humans are linguistic idiots.
There is no fucntional difference between the concepts of Saint/Angel and little g created, often semi-mortal gods.
But humans are insane. Some argue that Toll Houses and Purgatory are "totally different things."
That's stupid. Humans are stupid.
@@philalcoceli6328 the Romans didn't consider the religion of second temple jews to be a cult.
The evidence is easy to find if you read Roman history.
I like to turn the argument on it's head:
"I do believe in thousands of gods, but I only worship God capital 'G', Lord of Lords."
To clarify, I believe Zeus and all those other gods do exist in some fashion (and find it very interesting the commonality between pagan gods) but they are likely demons/fallen angels who likely do not have our best interests in mind.
Good work!
Thank you, Brian. Outstanding!!!
Viva Christo Rey! Ave Maria!
May God bless you Brian. May God show you grace and help you when you are discouraged. May God bring peace to your family. May God use your successes and use your failures. May God make you more like our Lord Jesus who through his intervention made us brothers and sisters with his flesh and blood. And may God give you the wisdom to answer those who oppose you, and to navigate deftly in this dark world so all who see it may be astonished.
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Peace of Christ Brian! I know you are a busy guy, but I would highly recommend that you listen to the first episode of the podcast: "The Lord of Spirits," which is an Ancient Faith Ministries production. It talks a lot about the concepts you discuss here. The podcast is run by two Orthodox priests (Fr. Stephen De Young and Fr. Andrew Damick) and drills down on the definitions and context of "gods" and "angels" within scripture and the loss of the premodern understanding of these concepts. This podcast has been particularly edifying for me and opened my eyes to the greater context of God's grandeur as "The Most High God." (P.S. I am extremely grateful to you for all of your work and you were a critical resource for me in my conversion to Byzantine Catholicism. So thank you :) and God bless you!)
The Lord has given you an immense gift in the form of intelligent reasoning that in my opinion is unparalleled, and you are using this gift to spread his truth. Thank you
Great video! This is exactly what I've been thinking for years
Just brilliant, keep the hard work up!
The Three divine persons are one and the same God because they have one and the same divine nature.
Excellent! Thank you once more.
Well, structured video on the topic. ✝️👍
☦️Yes, except from the part embracing pagan Aristotle & his Monad - that is argument for polytheism really. Aquinas was blasphemous for embracing that satanic philosophy. It is very simple to prove our true God - the prophecies of the Bible were all fulfilled (except for the last day) exactly to the last detail in a way that it is impossible to achieve otherwise.
Improved edits 👍
Our God is lord over them all (psalm 82)
What chant is being played at the beginning? Been searching for it by listening to different Gregorian chants and can’t seem to find it.
God has worked with all men from the beginning.
If “it” is good, then “it” is from God.
The Hebrews were using a moon calendar that led to famines.
But God revealed to others the Spring equinox, which the Hebrews took advantage of, and adjusted their calendars.
Thats one example.
Who is the artist at 17:06
8:32 we are but a thought to the creator. Our universe is decaying because the energy it takes to create the thought is being burned through. When this dream of the creator expires, another will begin.
The entire universe is but a single firing neuron in the great vastness that is the creator.
And how did you come know this? How has it become apparent that we're living inside a neuron flash?
There is only One True God Father Son and Holy spirit.
One can coexist with "and" only in 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3. HAHA
Excellent content.
How do i show you my God By displaying the goodness of my God in me Then my God will show himself in them ??? it worked to me and now it works for me ....but im new to this walk....
i cant say that i ever looked at it that way, great video . although i have a question at the end you mention how the apostles died and you said that if one dies today for his or her religion it will be by faith but they didnt. I am a little confused
The apostles didn't have faith that Jesus was risen from the dead. They saw it with their own eyes. Faith is the hope in something you have yet to see first hand. So, their testimony wasn't based on hope, but on the witness of the events they proclaimed
Collapsing the pantheons of European paganism into one set still leaves several other continents. Not to mention several generations of religion families across all continents.
Bear with me in this flow of thought:
In reading the stories backing the various pantheons of gods throughout history, I am unaware of any claiming to have created all of existence, but instead the universe/creation predates the existence of these noted gods. In modern times we often hear the charge (in some form) that Yahweh/God is a latecomer and usurper to these pantheons of gods. I see it as the reverse: the pantheon gods are the usurpers to God. This would be due, in part, to the mind of humanity seeking to understand the world within the context of the limits of our being. Therefore, each god was specialized for a specific aspect of the physical world. They were also depicted as having the same faults that humanity exhibits: among them being selfish, capricious, and vindictive. They were often said to war with one another, and against humanity. They appear to be in competition with the created world. This thought is seen as a means to understand storms and natural disasters. Then there is Yahweh whom the Hebrews worshiped. He is not in competition with the the created world and humanity, nor does He demand to be worshiped as some in the pantheons do. Instead we have the one who spoke the universe into existence, as opposed to using force of physical violence. Many have difficulty with Gods in that He is unlike humanity in His being. It is simpler for use to conceive that which has limits similar to ourselves as well as our own possibility to attain a level of power as depicted by these gods. The human understanding of the timeline of creation is skewed by the limits of our knowledge and the desire of some to believe humanity knows everything.
The Lord said to Saint John "I make all things new" (Rev 21:5). Its as if the "New Evangelization" is not unlike the world that Saint Peter, and the Apostles, united with him had to go into. Even today there are 2 billion Christians in the world out of almost 8 billion. That's a lot of people who've never heard the Gospel, and its made worse with so many Christians that are weak in their faith.
Please, someone tell me the name of this Gregorian chant!!!!
Peter denying Jesus Christ 3 times is one of the things that convinced me.
Before that, I'd think "if the apostles weren't liars, it's most likely they were crazy".
"Which is the True God?" - The One they all hate, Isho Mshiha ✝
Linguistic and cultural relativity shows us that discussing the 'existence of God' is a complex issue, as each culture-and even each individual-has unique concepts of divinity. Instead of trying to define or argue about God in absolute terms, we should focus on the benefits of believing that you are not the center of the universe. This shift in perspective can foster humility, community, and a sense of purpose, offering practical benefits that transcend specific religious or cultural beliefs.
No.
No the other gods exist but they are demons.
you could also usually be safe with just asking: “okay name 10”
I think the main differences is how God is understood. As far as I understand it, Christianity and Judaism (and Sikhi) are the only faiths that ecourage a real humble relationship with God as one who forgives, not just performing rites in order to reach salvation. Buddhist meditation practice does have benefits, but what happens after reaching enlightenment (rarely happens) and one dies? It doesn't have an awnser for that. Neither does Hindu practices (my opinion sorry). Yes living a good life is encouraged, but who forgives?
@@flameofthewest6196 Christianity only mostly forgives though. You can't say God forgives when he will cast you out to burn for eternity for the sin of unbelief. Rape, murder, and slavery are all fine, but to not believe is unforgiveable.
@scottneusen9601 no those things are not "fine" and never have been. Just because past events that were violent are recorded in the Bible and Torah, does not mean that those things are appoved of. Deliberate rejection of our Creator does have consciquences though. High rates of divorce, depression, drug use, declining birthrates, accepence of "subjective truth" rather than objective truth, deviating from Natural Law, ecessive materialism, etc. and you can see those consciquences above as society has rejected our Creator.
@@flameofthewest6196You point out those things which are at a higher rate now, but the rate of rape, murder, and slavery are down today versus when God was accepted by everyone in tne west. Why does God cause those things?
@scottneusen9601 God doesn't cause those things at all. People do, as humans have free will. Humans are not ruled by instinct as animals are.
@@flameofthewest6196 You may buy your slaves from the lands and people around you. But you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, just as the Lord your God has commanded you.
Why does God commanding not count as causing?
In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says that its not ideal for people to worship gods. There is an Infinite One. Core texts older than Hinduism describe the creation of the universe the same way as in the Judeo: first there was thought, then sound, then light. So I don't understand why Hindus practice idol worship. They use a pantheon of gods that are not part of the Puranic texts.
It seems to me the 4000+ year old Vedic texts were solid. They esteem God the One, and the 'gods' in the stories were venerated as servants to God, much like we Catholics do with our Saints. And their figure of Krishna is rather similar to Christ. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna's main premise throughout is that we should serve God's purpose, even if it is an ugly one.
The archer Arjuna does not want to go to war and kill. So Krishna tells Arjuna this apocalyptic war is meant to be, and Arjuna must kill. It is his divine duty. It's no different than Ecclesiastes, '...a time to kill, a time to heal, a time to break down, and a time to build.'
However Krishna is a false god
@@orangemanbad This book is from possibly 6000 or more years before Christ. Some Hindus have made Krishna out to be Gods incarnate, though. They ignore that Krishna said only to mind the One Infinite God.
To me Hindus are like many Protestants who idolize Jesus to the point that they dont consider the Infinite Unknowable God. They ask for worldly things and success and happiness without suffering, right here, right now.
Catholics remember that Jesus is one part of the Trinity, so we dont lose focus on the First Cause that was not a man. But when you conceptualize God only in a finite form, like a human, then there are problems...
@@oodo2908Honestly speaking as a Hindu here. You have a huge misconception regarding Krishna and what Hinduism teaches
@@oodo2908First of all Krishna doesn't say I'm only a messenger & you should worship The One above me. He says Iam the God. He made very distinct claims of Godhood.
@@oodo2908 that’s a very bizarre way of explaining it. As a Catholic I can help you understand our view. We believe in only One God. It gets confusing in English because we call Jesus the son of God so people seem to be confused that he is some additional god. But in truth, he is simply the visible image of the invisible God. He came so we can know God and understand him because the Father in heaven is unknowable and too incomprehensible for us. But it’s only ONE God, One being who has shown himself in 3 forms.
The ancient Greeks didn't believe the gods were actual physical beings living in temples or on top of mountains... They were conceived as cosmic forces within the universe. You should really read the theological works of Proclus... Also, the ancient Greeks did not think the world was random and chaotic, I'm not sure where you are getting this notion from. Many hymns/texts describe how everything in the universe has a divine symmetry and harmony... I mean, Apollo's lyre literally represents the tuning of the cosmos to harmony.
Was accused of being arrogant by a New Ager for believing in only one path to God.
"Unlike you intolerant Christians, I believe in many paths to God. It's also ridiculous to believe in one path when there's thousands of gods and thousands of religions, yet ya'll act like you're better than everyone."
My response:
1)The fact that there's thousands of gods and religions actually helps my view and not hurt it as you claim. The reason there are thousands of gods and religions is because they all contradict each other. If they didn't contradict each other, there would only be one religion. If you walk into a room and ask a thousand people about a particular topic, and they all contradict each other, the only logical conclusion you can come to is either one of them is right and the rest are wrong or they're ALL wrong.
2)You act as though tolerance is in of itself a moral good and are saying you're morally superior for believing in multiple paths, but isn't choosing to believe in multiple paths in of itself choosing a path of belief? And aren't you currently being intolerant to my belief? Your statement is self-defeating when you're doing the very thing you accuse me of in the statement itself.
3)You claim Christians think they're better than you for believing in one path yet you're the one looking down on me right now. Not only does it make your New Age beliefs hypocritical, but an impossible standard. To correct your misunderstanding of Christian doctrine, we don't think we're better than you, in fact it's the opposite. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, which is why we need a savior. It is precisely because we're no better than any other wicked and selfish person that we must put our faith in God rather than our own "good" works.
People are just confusing terms. Using superhuman as a synonym for dirty and God
God characteristics are The most Holy, Almighty, Agape Love, Spirit, Alpha Omega, These characteristics have only in Bible God.
The only time I personally bring up this argument is when I'm bored of debating the normal arguments against theism. But it is still a very valid question that usually can't be answered by the normal arguments used by theists.
Yep, or answered by their god himself, who could just take care of proving himself if he were real, especially since he has no excuse not to...
@@Unclenate1000has it ever crossed your mind that humility is a virtue?
Which? The Creator of All.
I have to refute everything here. Even if you can arrive to some philosophical notion of God that is definable, understandable, provable, you cannot equate it to the Jahweh, El of the old testament (which were originally separate gods) and the very ambiguous figure of Jesus in the new testament. And then we have a bunch of sticky subjects like the Holy Trinity, angels, demons and Satan. Your philosophical god separate from the universe is not exactly what Christians believe either.
Says the guy who is imposing an atheistic narrative onto the historical narrative.
One of the reasons that I’m being forced out of Christianity is that it is too full of contradictions and absurdities, just as people moved on from polytheism to Christianity and Islam. The loftier reaches of Hinduism and Mahayana Buddhism seem to me to provide a truer and more satisfying account of ultimate reality than any Abrahamic religion.
The lie argument is not persuasive. Ever heard of a noble lie?
"Lets create man in OUR image".
Who else is HE talking to?
"Worship no OTHER GODS above me"
In my mind, it seems like all those "mythic" gods are the angels of GOD Above All.
The Trinity
Factual inaccuracy: The Sophists were very much in favor of science and were early advocates of something akin to the theory of human and economic development. Yes, they were epistenological sceptics, but not in the sense of believing in chaos.
“To many ancient thinkers…” is not factually inaccurate. Sophist enjoyed observational arguments, but were they the only thinkers? There were Greeks who did hold that much of the universe was chaotic.
He has final say
so the inventions
of men and women
both before and since
Jesus will be held
to His standard
The true god clearly ISNT the god of the bible
Dude, keep searching!.. You will find insyaallah :)
"Of course there is only 1 god, and of course he is the god of my religion." A bit too convenient, especially since NO empirical evidence is ever presented for said deity's existence (ancient scriptures are not empirical evidence, mes amis).
to push further, you'd think the god (if it was one who gave a shit like his preferred god allegedly does), would just show up to all of us and end this debate since hiding serves no real purpose
@@Unclenate1000But God doesn't want robots!😂😂😂
Yes, it's far better for most of mankind to be damned to eternal torture than to know about God's presence w/o a doubt.
@@Charlotte_Martel yep. Apparently the all intelligent god couldnt figure out how to allow us simply to make a choice for or against him in a single instance where he presents it all in front of us, while also not giving us the ability to harm other people/children over a lifetime. No the two completely distinct things HAVE to go together!
This is such a non-argument. No one finds it profound except for fellow Christians. You're not a convert, you've always been Christian, you just switched churches.
Jesus
All the Gods have been multiple and many. Even Christianity has the Trinity of three gods which Christians admit makes no logical sense but we are assured God understands. But to humans it is three different God's. Then when Moses converted to Yahweh the god of the Shasu People the Jews couldn't just dump El Elyon Abrahams God he was dear to the people as were his stories of creation, Noah and so on so it was claimed that they were the same God just different names. This as we know was an old Egyptian trick. Tell the conquered people that their god was the same as your god. Merge them and eventually theirs just goes away. Conquering a people was easier than denying them their religion. In the Old Testament we now don't see the names El Elyon or Yahweh anymore it all becomes Lord and God so we don't ask questions. The same happened with the gods (Elohim) who helped El Elyon create the world (We made man in our image). Though the Elohim are mentioned over two thousand times in the Old Testament they become changed to a singular God and the name Elohim disappears. Hopefully your Pastor will help you understand these truths that might threaten lesser people's faith.
Brian is making a ton of assumptions concerning the stories in the bible. I suggest some research in proving the bible is a true depiction of history and studying history in other sources to backup his claims. If you study the pagan religion that were before Christianity you would see many parallels such as In pagan mythology, the prophet whose story most closely resembles Moses is Balaam; both are depicted as divinely gifted individuals who are approached by a king to curse a specific group of people, but instead, are compelled by a higher power to bless them instead. So Your proof of your God is null and void based on your emitting other past stories of deities and prophets.
Christian apologists seem to be almost completely unable to discuss Hidnusism and Buddhism - you talked about Paganism, Pantheism and the Abrahamic religions. Yes I know Buddhism doesn't acknowledge a supreme God, but the most supreme in Buddhism remains ineffable. What happens to a Buddha after his death cannot possibly be put into words. But we have this from the Zen-Teacher Huang Po for instance:
"All the Buddhas and all sentient beings are nothing but One Mind, beside which nothing exists. This Mind, which is without beginning, is unborn and indestructible. It is not green nor yellow, and has neither form nor appearance. It does not belong to the categories of things which exist or do not exist, nor can it be thought of in terms of new or old. It is that which you see before you - begin to reason about it, and you at once fall into error. It is like the boundless void which cannot be fathomed or measured. The One Mind alone is the Buddha, and there is no distinction between the Buddha and sentient beings, but that sentient beings are attached to forms and so seek externally for Buddhahood."
Or in Hinduism we have Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita - first to dispute that (all of) Hinduism is Polytheist Krishna Sais in Bhagavad Gita 9:23: "Even those devotees who, endowed with faith, worship other gods, worship Me alone, Ο son of Kunti, though in a wrong way."
And what does Krishna claim about himself (Bg 10.39-: " Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being-moving or nonmoving-that can exist without Me. O mighty conqueror of enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences. Know that all opulent, beautiful and glorious creations spring from but a spark of My splendor."
Both Buddhism and some forms of Hinduism are extremely sophisticated and aren't easily put into the quite pedestrian thinking of western philosophy and theology.
Discussions about Buddhism and Hinduism among apologists, if they happen, are invariably so shallow as to be grotesque. It's far better to listen to spiritually experienced adepts in christian meditation and mystical traditions who will have a much better grasp of it.
See David Bentley Hart (2014) The Experience of God
Dont assume, use your brain until it makes any sense..
Say Gods exist, but please find The God of the Gods.. The most powerful the one who creates everything. It they are similar to us then they are not a God. Cz they will have flaws...
I used to follow ku yearsago to my shame, its not him, but i think theyre all real, im fairly certain they are demons like the man who quoted psalm 95 pointed out. 2 years and two months down eternity to go :)
The whole problem with the other gods is that they do exist, but that they are lesser beings. Notably, not one of these claims to be the One God, as the God of Israel does. They are only Gods of particular places, people's, cities & families.
When God judges the Gods of Egypt he does not judge fictional beings.
Also, for accuracy's sake: Christianity is not monotheistic, the Church Fathers speak of a "monarchia". Monotheism is a category developed in the Enlightenment.
@@2anthranilicacid please do not capitalize the fake gods of Egypt. Those were demons as there is only ONE God and his name isn’t Vishnu or Ra
There aren't thousands of GODS, there are thousands of "gods".
(g)ods who are created, subordinate, mortal etc.
Pagan gods = saints, angels, demons, damned. The wording for "gods" was used even in biblical early linguistics for these things.
Jesus said "ye are gods", so you're a god, I'm a god, Michael Jordan is a god of basketball.
But none of us are GODs.
The Christian god is as real as all the others.
Who cares who the true god is?
I think, the greatest God is the one who ALWAYS has your back! I won't change Mmy mind.
BTW, I worship Justice, as Justice is a concept that is about continuous societal progression and accountability for bad behavior. There's nothing more advanced than Justice, as society is an observable empirical body of objective data; and we KNOW what leadership leads where.
What, exactly, defines what “bad behavior” is? Would the killing of a child in the womb be considered a “bad behavior” according to Justice?
Hello Brian! I sent an e-mail to your e-mail address from your website. I need help with joining the Church.
God's grace be with you! 🙏
I encourage you to look into your local church’s RCIA or OCIA program. That is how you join the Catholic Church!
An even better response than “which god?” would be what is far more likely: there very well may be a gods, but it is highly unlikely that ANY of the god, including the desert god, Yahweh, from the ANE corner of the globe. You know the one, the one who, just like all the preexisting gods in his area, loves the smell of burning flesh, is capricious in nature, rides on a cloud, sits on a throne just as men do, and so on? And as for including embarrassing anecdotes of the disciples, that is a long-used trope in literature from ancient times to the modern day, that if the bumbling sidekick. If the disciples look the fool, Jesus looks all the better.
Why does Zeus have a winged helmet lmao, is the thumbnail AI-generated?
probably the AI couldn’t find a lightning bolt
For one God to exist ALL gods must exist, since they'll theoretically exist, within the same matrix.
If one God, doesn't exist, then NONE do, since every single God, would have to exist, within the same exact plane of existence, or non existence.
He is very bias in his theory and make too many assumptions regarding the bibles authentic stories. One has to believe the stories in the bible and the history reported therein are true and accurate in order to go with what he says in this video. Many Bible scholars have proven the Bible is only Fables and myths.
Someone send this to Ricky Gervais
One that doesn't tell us the word is 6,000 years old.
every century we get a new variation with a new set of beliefs. Religion itself morphs all the time, and so do the people who believe it. We all used to believe in possession. Now the world knows better and we have psychiatrists. Conviction is based on where you are born and what you get exposed to at any given time.
This claim is based on a conception of religion that would hold that any change over time would make religion A, for example, entirely different in kind rather than degree. Have you considered the idea that the God of the universe could be great enough to write a story with dynamic characters that have purpose because they less than uniformly discover through the reason He gifts them exactly how it is they should live and do so in a way rightly praising Him perfectly?
@@cyano741also, many psychiatrists rightfully acknowledge the existence of spiritual evil in the form of demonic activity. What we have learned is that the world is far more complex and that there are indeed other problems than can occur independent or comorbidly with posession such as mental health issues or pathologies related to physical health problems.
Where in any religion does it say that?
That's not what we believe.
“To know one [religion] is to know none.” Max Muller
Fact: If a non-Christian people group encounter an Angel they would call it "a god". Same with a Demon. Mary has appeared to people and they thought she was "a goddess."
God the Father is an infinite, uncreated Awareness which is outside creation and is Pure Truth. The Son and Spirit are that God, begotten not made, in creation as a non embodied Consciousness of pure Light, Omniscience and Love. That creator God also made super beings, the Seraphim and Archangels for example, some of whom fell from grace. Those are what Gentiles call "the gods." These super beings, and the Bible directly states, are active in interacting with humanity.
@@namesecondname4548 in the book of Tobit, the son of the Tobit that went blind, encountered an angel, who was appearing to him as if he was a human.
Kind of odd how you mention that pagans adopted other gods from lands they conquered, when Chistians adopted other relgious traditions to appeal more to pagan.
They didn’t you don’t have any actual historical evidence any claim you make is false and not true you are just lying denying the truth. Even if your claim is correct how does that invalidate God it’s a nothing arguement did you read the Old Testament the people in that did crazy things against God but he didn’t disappear and cease to exist.
Or perhaps the pagan converts to Christianity took some of their former traditions and adapted them to their newfound faith.
Traditions? maybe a few arbitrary ones, such as the dates for holidays and a few festivities here and there, but the theology and actual religion part of Christianity remains unchanged.
Existence and reality is the physical proof. From there, you logically invaluate it and its necessary origins. Then, we learn of Salvation History through Biblical Historiography and surrounding sources.
@@Idishrkdmd Because god is suppose to be unchanging, but not only does he change it constancy, he contradicts his own statements, which explains why the bible is incoherent.
“Climb up to Mt Olympus and see they are not there.” Silly Brian. Doesn’t he realize Mt Olympus is symbolic? I mean, once upon a time could one walk into the tabernacle tent in the Israelite camp and look upon Yahweh in the Holy of Holies? Sheesh, next thing he’ll say is Shiva has many arms.
Accept it wasn’t the Greeks made up excuses like that the Heavens were invisible but they definitely believed that. Next you’ll say Icarus was scientifically accurate because the suns warm you completely grasp at non arguements as excuses the ancient Greek pantheon has incorrect cosmology anyway it can’t be true. Tabernacle was real and still is to this day Christ sits in them in every church.
@@Idishrkdmd You make a brilliant point. My point exactly. Just as the Greeks “made up excuses” the level of absurdity in the excuse-making in Christendom is through-the-roof mad, isn’t it? Magical powers of saints’ body parts, bread becomes flesh except it’s not, Noah’s ark, stationary Sun, soon and so forth. Christians cannot even remotely agrrr on what’s literal and what’s symbolic. A bit ironic, eh?
@@BigIdeaSeeker It's pretty easy to determine what is and isn't symbolic or metaphorical. There's 66 books, they aren't all going to be the same, narratively.
Like it's very important to understand the message of the bible is singular, and all roads lead to it in some capacity. It's also important to look at text as charitably as possible.
His Bias keeps him for doing research in history to back-up his claims. It also would not hurt for him to study the Hellenistic beliefs as well.
@@TheDragonageorigins It’s “easy”, is it? But you must admit, it is easy for anyone who wants to see disparate stories, sources, or texts as a cohesive whole to do so, no? I mean I can look at the works of Hesiod and Homer, or even Livy and Virgil and twist them into a cohesive structure. The Bible offers very different views of God’s character, plans and desires. All one has to do do is say that he intended to change things, had a plan all along, or due to man’s free will had to make adjustments. So too, the Greeks and Romans have progressed as “revelation” guided humanity. Yea, the idea is absurd, but so too is your idea that the Bible’s many texts are univocal.
hey Brian, I love topics like this, but I'm not a big fan of the AI-generated assets/thumbnails. They look visibly more lifeless than real photography or art.
There's no real way to truly know God from all the false ones. The so called "evidence" for the life, death and resurrection of Christ is two millenia old and comes from sources that cannot be verified simply because of the enormous time gap. The only standard with which we CAN gleam at the nature of God comes from Jesus Himself; by their fruit ye shall know them. Just like true believers bear good fruit, so does true faith bear good fruit. The best and only evidence we truly have for the Divinity of Jesus are the validity of His teachings; and no, I'm not talking about the theological nonsense people have built around Him since He departed this world, I mean His commandments. Love God with all thy heart, and love thy neighbor as yourself.
When arguing with Atheists, they have the logical high ground, no matter how much we believers might wish it to be otherwise. The scientific world simply doesn't recognize, nor does it need God. The laws of physics work as they do and the question of Divinity is irrelevant to science. True Faith is of the heart, not of the head. This has always been and shall always be the case. We as Christians should've stopped arguing about theological semantics ages ago and just do as our Lord commanded. Instead, we fall in love with our own ideas and we reduce faith into theology, pretending it to be science. Science cannot touch anything that is not of this world, neither can human logic, no matter how much people wish to insert Aristotle into the doctrines of Christ.
But it's not all about us with True Faith already but about reaching out to the lost including Atheists. Like Paul said: 'For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made..'. The scientific world cannot adequately explain how the finely tuned universe came into existence, or how non-living matter became alive, DNA programmed, and 'evolved' without intelligent cause. Jesus performed all those miracles, died for our sin, then rose as evidence to prove who he is. The multiple recorded witness testimonies and forensic evidence on the shroud would hold up in court and may even sway hard hearts today away from the ideas of R. Dawkins et al.
@@william3347 I can tell you right away that you will never convince a single serious atheist with these "logical" arguments, their counter arguments will always be stronger. I should know, I was a rather militant atheist myself for a long time.
The "multiple recorded witnesses from two thousand years ago" would definitely NOT hold up in ANY reasonable court. The entire Bible would be suspect because it is not a neutral source, but rather one with an agenda. Shroud of Turin is most likely just a fraud that gullible believers are more than willing to believe in order to bolster their failing faith. Likewise there is zero admissible evidence on any of Jesus' miracles. The fact that some people two thousand years ago may have died believing them according to rather sparse, inconclusive and completely unverifiable sources is NOT evidence, let alone proof. Not even close.
As for Science, it can easily explain how evolution works; the counter arguments for evolution are simply nonsensical at best and dishonest at worst. Usually both. How the universe came to being and how the first self-replicating molecules came into existence on the other hand remain a mystery. The latter will probably be figured out at some point, while the former is likely to remain a mystery forever.
The theistic line of argumentation will never convert an atheist who is even remotely scientifically literate. If you TRULY want to help someone come to Christ, then let them hear the words of the Savior Himself. You should know the limits of your understanding and stop pretending you've got any clue what so ever on this subject. It is a lot less shameful to admit your ignorance than trying to hide it, and trust me, anyone who knows anything about anything will instantly recognize the limits of your understanding. You can only fool those who also know nothing. Instead, you should act in love and humility and let your virtue disarm the unbeliever. Don't try to answer questions you don't understand, but rather focus on living your life in the manner our Lord instructed.
In your case the most important thing you can do if you wish to lead people to Christ, argue less and pray more.
There is only one God, but He reveals Himself in many faces according to the capacities and cultures of peoples through history.
No.
@@marvalice3455 Do you pronounce this “ex cathedra”?
Even in the fallen state, man can, by his natural intellectual power, know religious and moral truths.
In the state of fallen nature it is morally impossible for man without Supernatural Revelation, to know easily, with absolute certainty and without admixture of error, all religious and moral truths of the natural order.
Those are infallible teachings of the Catholic Church. It is fairly straightforward to observe other religions' dogmas, compare them with the Church's, and conclude that the other religions have a great deal of error mixed in. So it is false to say that >.
We can also observe, through the Eastern Catholic Churches, what kinds of things change with the same Divine Revelation and different cultures. Despite overlapping with the cultures and people that practice false religions, they are far more like the Catholic Church than those false religions.
@@markcreemore5879 perennialism is mega cringe. It's nothing more than fear of man made into a religion.
Fear God, not the opinions of your peers.
All of them are true, as well as none.
Too nuch philosophising here. This cannot be answered by rational argument. The true God is the one that Christians meet in the Eucharist. Moses met the same God in the burning bush.
I assume Brian has been reading Aquinas. Remember that he described his own writings as straw.
Yes..straw compared to Holy Writ Holy pronouncements by Councils and Popes..COMPARED..but Aquinas is not meaning that his work doesn't have any intrinsic value..it has immense intrinsic value!..so much so that the Church and Popes have constantly said that Aquinas is the answer to which all things should be measured..doesn't mean it's as good as Holy Writ or the like but actually it comforms to all of it and actually without adding to anything, enlightens it, to which people can understand the Truths of the Faith so much better..so much easier..Aquinas' writing are straw COMPARED not just empty straw in itself..also just because YOU think something is to hard or even if you think it isn't hard but to philosophical..what makes you the arbiter of what is and isn't important within the faith?..I thought that was left to the Church, with all do respect..God bless Mary protect +++
I can tell your personality from your comment denying philosophy for God to understand and praise him in his interaction with creation is certainly good it’s just not what is the greatest Aquinas knew that the Eucharist was most important philosophy is minuscule compared to it but it is still important and Good to deny it is silly.
@@davidniedjaco9869
Aquinas was making the "Straw" comparison in relation to the revelations which he received at the very end of his life.
There is a possible context to his writings, which he produced at the time of the controversy with St Gregory Palamas and the assertion of apophatic theology which prevails in the Eastern Orthodox Church.
@@Idishrkdmd
I am in good company, in that case.
1 Corinthinians 1:18-20
Other religions are heavy with philosophy but it does no get in the way of their following of false Gods.
Unless you can't demonstrate or show that your god exists in any way shape or form, there is no reason to believe in one.
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@@JohnTheRevelator11 😬
It seems to me that most people will determine no evidence of that God good enough though. Philosophically necessary is not good enough. Historical correctness in the undersigned coincidence of the scripture not good enough. Prophecies being fulfilled 100’s of years after there telling not good enough. Miracles like Fatima in front of thousands not good enough. There is plenty of evidence people just won’t accept it because they have hardened their hearts to the thought of it. That’s why flat earthers exist no matter the evidence it’s not good enough for them most atheists are just flat earthers in a religious sense.
My issue with making statements like this is it's inherently a loaded statement.
Like there's dozens of questions one must know about the person making a statement like this in order to hone it on what exactly they're looking for.
I'm sure if you wanted to be specific you would say you're asking for evidence. That narrows it down to like 10 other questions.
Go on wikipedia and read about Jesus then
4:02 Thats simply Not true. Lol Im a Hindu and we believe that about Vishnu, Shiva, Kali etc
So you have multiple gods?
@@no3339 Not unless, the Trinity is multiple Gods
@@st.mephisto8564 The Trinity is the only coherent model with regard to natural theology and divine simplicity. If you want Hinduism to be coherent, then Vishnu, Shiva, and Kali must all be identical to the divine essence, and only really distinct in personhood by relative opposition. To my knowledge, the one divine essence, Brahman, is manifested in a multiplicity of gods, which reduces to modalism.
@@no3339 If by coherent you mean violates the law of identity and so is logically impossible.
@@scottneusen9601 Bro doesn’t understand relations, esse ad, and esse in…
This issue only exists because the specific god of christianity clearly isnt real.
If he was, then his characteristics of all powerful and all loving would logically compel him, due to the standards of his own perfect and giving nature, to show himself to us and make things clear and obvious. Especially when theres literally no reason not to
what if there is a reason to do so?
He did, 2000 years ago. His Church that He built continues and subsists to this day in the Catholic Church.
The One Eyed God
Baiame ... 60 thousand year old story of creation . And if you get right into it you see how more modern stories of creation could have come from this origin .
How to know which God is the right one _is_ the story of the Tanakh. Not even God's chosen people stuck with him. 10 of the tribes went off to worship other gods and separated themselves from the kingdom. If those that saw him work in their lives chose a different God who are we to say that we have chosen correctly when we have even less context? Also how do we go from God judging the Gods of Egypt, doing battle with Dagon, and Baal to monotheism? Were the other Gods defeated? If so why then was God's kingdom conquered by the Greek and then Roman Gods? Why also did Christ eventually become absorbed into the culture that crucified him?
Jesus concern was to spread the faith over the entire World. As Paul said there is no Greek and no Jew….
Many Jews did convert and many did not. And when Christianity spread into the known world the diaspora the Christians were heavily persecuted for over 300 years to spread the faith.
Perhaps read up on Christian history whether you agree with or not it is interesting to learn about.
So much was this desire that the Church names themselves the Catholic Church in the first century because they were the Universal Church. As Jesus said to baptize people of all nations.
"Also how do we go from God judging the Gods of Egypt, doing battle with Dagon, and Baal to monotheism?" Answer, this occurred through revelation through the Jewish prophets. As the prophet Daniel explained, the gods of the pagans are nothing but devils (fallen angels). In Babylonian captivity, it is revealed to the Jewish people that their God, Yahweh, was the one true God. Before this the Jewish people were in a state of monolatry. After this they were monotheistic.
"If so why then was God's kingdom conquered by the Greek and then Roman Gods? " The Kingdom of Judea was conquered by the Greek and Roman empires not their gods. Judea was liberated from Greek oppression by Judas Maccabeus and his men and the Temple was reopened which is why the Jews celebrate Hanukkah. Judea fell after scripture was fulfilled by Christ.
"Why also did Christ eventually become absorbed into the culture that crucified him?" Christianity over came the pagan culture of Rome and transformed society. Christ is Savior, Sanctifier, and Redeemer for all people who believe in him. The Christian Roman Empire was no longer the pagan Roman Empire that crucified Christ!
"Not even God's chosen people stuck with him. 10 of the tribes went off to worship other gods and separated themselves from the kingdom." Those who separate themselves perished.
"If those that saw him work in their lives chose a different God who are we to say that we have chosen correctly when we have even less context?" We live and they perished, that is how we know we have chosen correctly. Those who abide in the one True God have life, the rest perish in the end!
God showed His truth
in the Bible and PROVES IT
in the Book of Mormon
Suppose you have a wealthy friend. This friend asks you to worship and praise him, love him and in return he will help you whenever you need it. Then you come down with a disease that is fatal if not treated. The medication is not covered by insurance, nor will your government pay for the medications. Unfortunately you can't get the financing to pay for it. You go to your wealthy friend who you have worshipped, praise and loved and ask him for money to pay for the medicine that will save your life. This amount although large to you is not even a drop in the bucket to your rich friend. The rich friend tells you no, I won't help you now, maybe in the future or maybe not. You plead with him for help as you need the medicine now in order to save your life. The friend says sorry but helping you would take away your free will. So you end up dying a suffering and painful death. That is not a friend but someone who used you. Well, that's exactly what the Christian god does here. The exception is you have actual evidence that your wealthy friend exists - we have no good evidence that the Christian god exists.
God does answer prayers however he can chose to answer or not too depending on what is being asked of him and if it is right to grant it. You create a false analogy above by describing God as a wealthy friend and expecting him to think and act as a human being in paying for medical treatment. God has actually performed medical miracles for people which are documented and often associated with the intercedence of Saints and the Blessed Virgin Mary. Jordon Pederson's wife, Tammy, is one of these people. Also God actually helping someone does not at all take away someone's freewill.
"The exception is you have actual evidence that your wealthy friend exists - we have no good evidence that the Christian god exists." Wrong, the Shroud of Turin provides all the needed evidence of Christ's death and resurrection.
God loves me and respects my feel will, but if I ask Him for help he is there.
If He doesn’t cure me of my sickness, I don’t spurn Him. I accept that it is t worrying Him so I shouldn’t worry about it either. It’s not easy, but things that are worthwhile are not easy. Even more so, God answers prayers all the time. Go to Him and ask for help believing if you need to.
@@johnroesch2159 There’s no good evidence that prayers are answered. What you are doing is the fallacious reasoning of counting the hits and ignoring the misses. The Christian organization the Templeton Foundation actually tested prayer and the results showed prayer worked at the same rate as non prayer.
You also are using fallacious reasoning of the double standard- one for humans and another different standard for the god You believe exists. If it would be wrong for people to behave a certain way it would also be just as wrong for god to behave the same way. It would be like saying it’s wrong for an ordinary person to commit murder but it would be ok for a rich important to commit murder just as it would be wrong for god to commit murder. Murder is just wrong because it is wrong and not because someone or some god says so. I mean you might think murder is ok(I don’t know what you think) but just about everyone agrees murder is wrong. I have to say this because some ignorant Christians have asked me why is murder wrong? I can’t believe these Christian’s don’t know why murder is wrong, something I even figured out for myself when I was just a small child without believing in any gods.
@@johnroesch2159 The Shroud of Turin, a linen cloth that tradition associates with the crucifixion and burial of Jesus, has undergone numerous scientific tests, the most notable of which is radiocarbon dating, in an attempt to determine the relic's authenticity. In 1988, scientists at three separate laboratories dated samples from the Shroud to a range of 1260-1390 CE, which coincides with the first certain appearance of the shroud in the 1350s and is much later than the burial of Jesus in 30 or 33 CE. Aspects of the 1988 test continue to be debated. Despite some technical concerns that have been raised about radiocarbon dating of the Shroud, no radiocarbon-dating expert has asserted that the dating is substantially unreliable.
Who did Jesus say is the true God. At John 17:3, he said his Father, Yahweh, is "the ONLY true God." The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." Since Jesus' Father is the true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? *NONE!!* That sure puts an arrow in the heart of the Catholic doctrine that God is a trinity. Unfortunate, Catholics can't see that.
This objection assumes that God can only be one person. Since Jesus affirms that He is God (John 8:58). He also affirms that He and the Father are not the same person (John 17:5). It follows that God is one infinite act of being who exists as more than one person.
@@Ruudes1483 "This objection assumes that God can only be one person."
So true. After all,
1. Jesus _did_ address his Father as the "ONLY true God" at John 17:3 The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." So, since Jesus' Father is the only true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Uh, *NONE.*
2. Jesus did say to his disciples at John 20:17: that 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to *MY GOD* and your God.'" Clearly Jesus God' and Father was also the God and Father of his followers. One Father, One God, not, three persons, one God.
3. At 1 Cor. 8:6a, Paul wrote: "yet for us *there is one God, the Father,* from whom all things are and for whom we exist." In this portion of the verse,. did Paul say there are three persons in "one God"? No, he didn't. Instead, he said the "one God" is one person, namely, the Father, whose personal name in Catholic Bibles, is "Yahweh." (Ex. 3:15; 6:3)
4. At Eph 4:6, Paul wrote: "Let us give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!" In this verse." In this portion of the verse, did Paul say that the "one God was three persons? No. Instead he called the Father "the ONE GOD."
5. At 1 Pet. 1:3a, Peter wrote: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus." In this verse, did Peter say God was more than one person? No, he didn't. Instead, he said God was Jesus' Father. Now, tell me, when you think of the word 'father,' how many persons do you think of? One person or three?
"Since Jesus affirms that He is God (John 8:58). He also affirms that He and the Father are not the same person (John 17:5)
Let's see. John 8:58 says: "Jesus replied: In all truth I tell you, before Abraham ever was, I am." Uh, where in this verse did Jesus say he was God, especially sing Catholics believe God is a trinity? Do you say God is a trinity?
@@cbooth151 John 5:22-24
Matthew 28:16-18
Mark 2:1-12
John 20:28
1 Timothy 3:14-16
1 Timothy 6:14-16
1 John 5:20
Revelation 19:13-16
Deuteronomy 10:17
Psalms 136:1-3
Isaiah 9:6
Daniel 7:13-14
@@Ruudes1483 Do you usually drop scriptures and then run away without explaining them? Pitiful.
@@cbooth151 They’re pretty self explanatory. I don’t want to read my own, personal interpretation into it. I read it as it’s written and interpret it how the Church teaches it. But thanks for your attempt to deflect.
There's only one God, so the choice is pretty easy. Looking forward to the Inferno Men's conference on November 9th!
☦️🤝✝️Dear Brian, I am sorry, but only the second part when you started talking about the destruction of the Temple was to the point. The 1st part, though you Catholics don't realize, is actually an argument AGAINST our faith, and exactly the reason for the calamities upon the Church & our current state. No, you don't put a positive argument for our faith by given the example of the "unmoved mover" of pagan Aristotles & the Greeks - that false god with no real attributes, who doesn't love you in a real sense, who is just a "1st cause", explained by phisical terms, who just there like a projector, akin to the sun is the god of Deists or Atheists (basically the big bang). And for those Greek pagans it was also a god like Zeus or his father - the father & grandfather of all the other gods. By "unmoved" Platon & Aristotles meant he has no attributes or emotions as Scriptures tell us the God of Moses has. By Aquinas & the Catholic Church's embrace of pagan Greek philosophy manifested in council of Florence, which was *condemned* by the Church fathers AND by St. Emperor Justinianus & the holy fathers at 2nd Ecumenical council of Constantinopolis, they brought the fall of the Empire & the 2nd Rome (Constantinopolis). Pagan Greek philosophy must not be emposed on our Scripture & Gospels, we don't need wordly knowledge to explain the divine, which it cannot do anyway - that was explicitly taught by the Blessed Apostle.