Salt River Cave Massacre: Skeleton Cave Explored (part 2 of 2)

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  • @lorenzocassa4981
    @lorenzocassa4981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just finished watching both parts of your video. I Must say you rarely come across films as informative as what you have uploaded for the public…worldwide. I am Apache/Pima, living on the San Carlos Apache Reservation. As a contemporary artist, I have heard and read many stories of escapes, ambushes, skirmishes, and massacres, but I have never heard of this account of Skull Cave. Whoever they were, it did tug on the heart strings only because they were of the same race and obviously had no chance of survival. But Geronimo was right when he said: “I cannot think that we are useless or God would not have created us. There is one God looking down on us all. We are all the children of one God. The sun, the darkness, the winds are all listening to what we have to say.” thank you very much for sharing.

  • @charlesmartin1262
    @charlesmartin1262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for taking me along. Thank you for your reverence.

  • @stephenyoungman9293
    @stephenyoungman9293 7 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    Better than anything on TV. Awesome video.

  • @darthdennis6681
    @darthdennis6681 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude!! You are literally treading on sacred ground! Much respect for much respect....

  • @livefreeordie45
    @livefreeordie45 7 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    I really appreciate your efforts. This these two videos were both good and and sad. I am part Dakota. My great great Grandparents were killed by the Army during the Minnesota Wars resulting in 38 Indians being hung. This war started because of one local trader, Andrew Myrick, said of the Indians’ plight, “If they are hungry, let them eat grass.” He was later found dead with his mouth stuffed with grass. Had he been doing his job and giving the Indians their supplies this would not have happened. I wish I was younger I would love to go to Skeleton Caves but I am now 72 and have an incurable lung disease that is not possible. Watching you videos is a lift for me. Keep up the good work. PS. My wife and I have been to Arizona and loved it.

    • @joshthemediocre7824
      @joshthemediocre7824 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      No if Europeans would have stayed in Europe this would have never happened, Nobody should have had to give the Natives anything, they had been living relatively peacefully for 1000's of years before the whites, here we are just 150+ years later and most americans can't even take care of themselves or their families, a clear sign that this isnt going to work, but i'll keep watching the shit show.

    • @curtismes
      @curtismes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@joshthemediocre7824 relatively peaceful? lmao...ever heard of the Comanche? they drove the Sioux into the great plains and the Apache into New Mexico...lol you have no idea

    • @MrIdasam
      @MrIdasam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@joshthemediocre7824 Native Americans warred and slaughtered each other for centuries, they even kept their enemies as slaves. So, cut the b.s., you ignorant, racist.

    • @kimcurtis423
      @kimcurtis423 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@MrIdasam I'm afraid your use of the word SLAUGHTERED is a bit salacious! The most honored warriors of most Tribes were honored for touching an enemy and NOT killing him! Your warped view of history shows your ignorance and the fact that you haven't done much REAL research! Remember, history is told by the victor and seldom has much truth to it! I could go on but, I know from your comment that your mond is already made up! I have been studying Native histories from the Native AND the Whte viewpointss since I was 5 years old! I'm 69, now! So, when you can match that kind of research, then we can have a discussion!'

    • @captaindein33
      @captaindein33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did the Indians hear his grass comment via social media? I dont understand how the Indians would know he was talking smack.

  • @panamared354
    @panamared354 7 ปีที่แล้ว +234

    the helicopter that you seen in the last video and this one is owned by SRP, witch owns and maintains the dams along the Rio Salado (the Salt River) they bring supplies, crews and equipment to the dams
    (cool way to get to and from work). I'm a native and have spent the last 5 decades roaming around these mountains and studying the local history, I have never heard of that cave being referred to as skeleton cave it has always been referred to as skull cave. in the video you did about the cliff dwellings you was wondering about the bottom of the door ways being protruding out a little it was designed to be closed off at night to prevent rattle snakes from entering. while you were in Superior you should have went to the old Pinal cemetery that is where Mattie Earp (Wyatt Earp wife) is buried. the first video you did you were not far from an old military camp called camp Reno on the other side of four peaks. by the way I want to thank you for caring and only leaving footprints in my backyard.

    • @georik627
      @georik627 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Panama Red i'd like to hear more

    • @panamared354
      @panamared354 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@georik627
      hello, more about what?

    • @terryjohnson8317
      @terryjohnson8317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not much left of Camp Reno now. A few rock piles that held up the corral posts because Reno was a livery for messengers

    • @curtismes
      @curtismes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@terryjohnson8317 actually Reno was where Nanni Chaddi and Delshay 1st met with , then raided and ambushed the soldiers , where they got the attention of Crook and finally the ire enough to send this punitive expedition to Nanni Chaddis hideout (this cave) Nanni Chaddi was killed in the battle...the Pima and Maricopa scouts had to be restrained from killing the wounded and actually did kill a few survivors with their war clubs before the Soldiers stopped them...Nanni Chaddi and Delshay also made a habit of raiding Pima villages around Ft Reno.

    • @97tj9
      @97tj9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which.

  • @nunyabuziness8421
    @nunyabuziness8421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This guy has an uncanny natural ability for doing videos he explains everything he sees and seems to have a lot of knowledge about a lot of things

    • @billrobbins5874
      @billrobbins5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting, thank you. Do you have one of those GPS locators?
      Don't know how expensive they are.

  • @johnlea8519
    @johnlea8519 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This one of the best videos on TH-cam, I travelled to Arizona from the UK as I've always been fascinated by the history of the South West and the Apache and Navajo. Your video was a very respectfully done history lesson, thank you.

  • @cabinfevercrafts1439
    @cabinfevercrafts1439 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    A truly spiritual and respectful account. This is such important history and we are fortunate to have someone like you recognize the value of sharing with others. Thank you.

  • @jenniferwhitewolf3784
    @jenniferwhitewolf3784 7 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    Thank you for respecting the remains of the cousins left behind. Sadly this event of long ago is part of a long list, including Sand Creek, and Wounded Knee. Its always good when approaching a site like this to talk to the Spirits, tell them you come with respect to honor their memory. You did honor and remember, snd as you
    left, the thank you was given.. the best part of the otherwise tearful video, the 4 legged saying thank you.

    • @rhondablack8563
      @rhondablack8563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      This video made me cry for our ancestors to be treated so badly. The bones got to mt!

    • @johncorbin4881
      @johncorbin4881 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I am Seneca ...Sister ...Mom used to make native tacos at pow wows up and down the east coast to help fund leanord for his legal fund

    • @markbecker71
      @markbecker71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Really they had just murdered a bunch of farm families..🤠

    • @stepevin923
      @stepevin923 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@markbecker71 who took their lands...

    • @centauri9458
      @centauri9458 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Absolutely right, respect the dead and memories. I wish they had got the Apache Scouts to give proper burials. Personally I wouldn't go into that cave spirits would still be hurting and may be angry.
      Ani-Yun-Wiya

  • @DarkFilmDirector
    @DarkFilmDirector 7 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    This battle/massacre was not committed on the Apache, it was Yavapai. The Apache were distinct neighbors to the east of the Yavapai. It makes more sense when explaining why Apache scouts would aid Lt Col Crook's campaign in the Yavapai War.

    • @codyjamessingleton5098
      @codyjamessingleton5098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ha! Classic Indian espionage.

    • @tboned70
      @tboned70 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Sadly the Military Threatened Others to Provide such Aid then Betray Them in the End afterwards,........

    • @rodwoods2108
      @rodwoods2108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You are right but they were considered part of a collective group called Apache. They were considered a lesser tribe not respected by the Apache that we know.

    • @rodwoods2108
      @rodwoods2108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tboned70 that happened to the Apache Kid who evaded the Army all his life. Finally to be killed by a teenager in a half baked posse. In the Apache Kid Wilderness, New Mexico.

    • @rodwoods2108
      @rodwoods2108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I am sure the Pima would have killed all the Apache if they could have.

  • @dalzoi
    @dalzoi 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have total respect for the empathy you show for those who died there. As for the leavings of the pistachio nuts.. people just don't think. Sadly. This video, and the one previous, were quite sad, but this one especially. It's so sad that people leave their garbage. I remember going to a little cemetery by Rock Mill Dam, near Lancaster, OH, near an old mill that's now been restored, back in the early 70's. I remember my Mom crying.. There was a small family graveyard, and the name of a Capt. Kirk.. small children and at least one baby's headstone. Years later, went there with some friends, and the entire little family graveyard had been smashed and vandalized. It hurts my heart so badly now that tears come to my eyes.
    I would love to get a copy of that book and understand the spiritual aspect you feel for reading it. Many years ago, I had some horses, and bred an Appaloosa mare to a Quarter horse that my then bf owned. Found that his horse and my appys (all whom I'd gotten from him, foundation bred) were related, way way back. Anyway, Frivy had a filly who was born red, and I named her Sunny's Red Echo. I've always had an interest in Chief Joseph, which is why I'd always wanted an Appaloosa. (His Qtr. horse was named Sunny Crockett.)
    Anyway, I bought a book at a yard sale called "The Nez Perce Indians and the Opening of the Northwest". Lo and Behold... I found a Palouse Indian, a 34 year old warrior, named Hahtalekin, also known as Taktouskt Ilppilp, who help Chief Joseph. That name translates to "Red Echo". I did not know this at the time I named my new little filly. Explain that to me. Please?

  • @mikemagnum7987
    @mikemagnum7987 7 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I feel the same as you regarding the complete lack of thought and respect that some people display at such sacred sites as this! The graffiti, nut shells and can lid all serve to leave a different kind of message for the people who come there several hundred or a thousand years from now...... I am ashamed and embarrassed for the fools who have no heart.
    Great conclusion to a very interesting video! You treated this subject with respect and consideration that only a man such as you could. Thank you Chig, I appreciated and enjoyed this video very much.

    • @codyjamessingleton5098
      @codyjamessingleton5098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And what!? One day all land will be sacred and no new history can occur and the game of life will be over?

    • @leobardorocha3081
      @leobardorocha3081 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@codyjamessingleton5098 what a stupid comment...

  • @mercedithcompala8148
    @mercedithcompala8148 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never get tired of watching your time in this stronghold...it pulls at one's heart...

  • @Capitalismhater
    @Capitalismhater 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Thanks for sharing this. I'm a big fan of your videos and I lived in Arizona for a long time and this is by far, my favorite video you've made. A lot of layers and history.

  • @statiadougherty
    @statiadougherty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My husband was watching this a couple of days ago. I don't normally watch a lot of TV, but I just subscribed to your channel, because it's right up my ally of what I love to do. Anyway, I want to thank you for posting this video. I remember reading about this tragic event in John G. Bourke's journal, On The Border With Crook, and was curious about the logistics since it was such a one-sided victory. I'll never be able to go there myself, so again, thank you. Statia

  • @jobnoy
    @jobnoy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Loved it, thanks for taking us along and being so respectful.

  • @melanieronbrooks80
    @melanieronbrooks80 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    My husband and I were deeply touched by your show of respect in covering over some of the remaining bone fragments. Your attention to detail of the attack and the first hand accounts brought to life a tragic time in American History. Thank you for sharing these videos.

    • @charleshallier7853
      @charleshallier7853 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Melanie and Ron 👋. I know it’s been a long time since you posted this comment. It seems you are personally understanding of what and how this nations forefathers treated our indigenous peoples. Their are way too many negative interactions with Union troops and our indigenous peoples. Another heart wrenching tale or

    • @charleshallier7853
      @charleshallier7853 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pardon me please. I accidentally sent the first post before I was finished. I was just giving you a far worse story so you can read about. This story is 100% correct and is horrific. It was referred to as the “Long walk.”
      It refers to the Union troops and mostly the Navajo peoples who had been rounded up and forced them to walk 180 miles to a Union Camp. Carried out over a few years. Give this sometime as it gets worse with every group that set out on the “Long Walk.”

  • @czredhead8286
    @czredhead8286 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love most of your videos but these last two were the very best in my opinion. Thank you for taking us along and sharing your experiences. I was pleased but not surprised that you showed respect to the site that it deserves. Well done Chigg.

  • @Stranglewood
    @Stranglewood 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just wanted to say that when you spoke of reading that book by firelight and struggled for a moment for the words to come, as far as I was concerned you didn't have to finish that sentence. Spiritual is the only way to describe it. I'm new to your channel, and have been binging on your videos. I've been struck by your appreciation for law, the environment, animal life, and for our long dead predecessors. Add to that an eye for interesting detail, describing not only what you saw, but why - and it all amounts to the best channel on YT for this kind of content. I'm really impressed. And I've never said that in a YT comment. Well done.

  • @ThatOldBiddy
    @ThatOldBiddy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I gave thumbs up BEFORE viewing because I KNEW it would be good! Thanks for sharing!

    • @luisjimenez8648
      @luisjimenez8648 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Me too!

    • @johntuck5174
      @johntuck5174 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      me too

    • @leedickens4047
      @leedickens4047 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ThatOldBiddy me too

    • @davefox1857
      @davefox1857 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ThatOldBiddy I also gave it a thumbs-up before viewing it. I always do it for the aquachigger, because it's always good, and never disappoints.

  • @DLathrop
    @DLathrop 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sir, thank you. Thank you for fleshing out a historical moment, not only with history itself, but with geology, with the natural environment, and with emotion.

  • @charlespierard9115
    @charlespierard9115 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Brilliant, Chiggs. you're giving us all vicarious experiences most of us would never be able to undertake. Thank you so much for doing all the hard work. Love your videos, compelling viewing. Keep them coming.

  • @hp3kguy
    @hp3kguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was there in 1969. Sad to see all the digging thats been happening since I was there.
    There use to be a glass jar with slips of paper that had a name and the the date the person was there.
    The group of scouts I was in found it by accident.
    Canyon lake had its water level lowered for dam repairs, we were camped at the base of Mormon Flat dam, Apache Lake, and hiked west to the cliff.
    I was told the troops took all the wounded back to their base, then attempted to return to the cave, without finding it.
    Thanks for the memory.

  • @alphaone101
    @alphaone101 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Both parts of this video were incredible......possibly your best ever, I really enjoyed them and the educational aspect of them as well. Thanks!

  • @lorimacias4901
    @lorimacias4901 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hello, I live in Arizona and was on TH-cam looking for abandoned ghost towns and came across your video. My husband's grand father is full APACHE and this attack makes me so sad. Indians are very strong spirited, I'm sure you could sense their energy there. Thank you for sharing!

  • @charliejoy27
    @charliejoy27 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    so unreal chigg. I've lived in az my entire life and never even knew there was anything like that at canyon lake. thank you for taking the time to show us an important part of history that is almost forgotten.

  • @downtonviewer
    @downtonviewer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Chigg. I looked it up and the info I'm getting is that there were Yavapai, not Apache, in the cave. Apache scouts did participate in the attack, though. The holes in the Saguaro are made by Gila woodpecker looking for larvae. That said, I respect you and love your videos. This was an especially nice series and I look forward to MOAR!!!

    • @lindalee7322
      @lindalee7322 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you for sharing this information with us. Kudos!

    • @demarrsurfboards3656
      @demarrsurfboards3656 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Still some of the holes could be bullet holes. Wonder why Yavapai would be that far south?

    • @terryjohnson8317
      @terryjohnson8317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The holes in the cactus are by the Cactus Wren which is Arizona's state bird. It nests in the holes

    • @HiTechOilCo
      @HiTechOilCo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The Yavapai were a part of the Apache nation.

    • @n0thinbutn8uretv19
      @n0thinbutn8uretv19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HiTechOilCo all the tribes in this territory are kin, they split after very gruesome wars against each other. If you learn what those tribe actual Called themselves and the origin of their Athabaskan language. I can see the whole thing happening when he's explaining the story.

  • @brucef9333
    @brucef9333 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thanks Chigg, I love this type of history and very much appreciate you putting in the effort to bring this to us. You are one tough Hombre to endure the heat and altitude (and risk the rattlesnakes and black death) to get this video published. Three thumbs up!

  • @beckycashdollar8406
    @beckycashdollar8406 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Chigg, I have really sat here glued to the video. Your obvious compassion for what took place and for the remains of the Apaches shows. You have been respectful, honest, and thorough in your narration. I appreciate that you did not try to sugar coat, or negate, the history that took place. You presented the things that both sides did, good and bad. Well done!!

  • @TheTiaKeas
    @TheTiaKeas 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you for another informational video! I love your videos because you tell and show me things and places that I can never get to...

  • @frankforrest1597
    @frankforrest1597 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Absolutely stunning! You seem to capture the thrill of the adventure and pass it on to the viewer. Great history that too few people know of. Thank you

  • @spottyskunk1898
    @spottyskunk1898 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Amazingly well told and respectful visit to a little known historic site - well done, Chig!
    Also, I'm putting Water Flea forward as the name of the Chig Boat. :D

  • @slopoke1012000
    @slopoke1012000 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    great video. I have been to that cave in the early 70's. Im glad to see that the isolation has still preserved this area

  • @markieproductions22
    @markieproductions22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Yes, it’s a grave site. I love the respect you have for the site and all the areas you visit. Great stuff!

  • @BindarRouge
    @BindarRouge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW what an amazing story and sad history! Thanks for taking us on this adventure! Thank for being you and respectful of those long lost souls!

  • @huntingtonbeachsasquatch
    @huntingtonbeachsasquatch 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hay Chigg, Thanks for all the hard work you put into the videos.
    We do appreciate it.

  • @EricRagle
    @EricRagle 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have watched most, if not all, of Chigg's videos over the years, but this is my favorite.

  • @doubledaysrock
    @doubledaysrock 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is one of the best videos you've ever done man. Thank you so much! Really makes everyday simple problems seem really really small. Let's us all realize the mistakes we have made, and how it's important to look back at them so that we don't repeat these mistakes..

  • @Pack_the_Ripper
    @Pack_the_Ripper 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    as a native north American I appreciate the respect you have for such places. thanks beau

  • @todtiger
    @todtiger 7 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    beautiful but very sad video.

  • @tristanbegg2834
    @tristanbegg2834 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, Beau, for this video. It is one of the best experiences I've had watching TH-cam, ever. You are a phenomenally fortunate and remarkable person, and I am happy just knowing you have the opportunity to visit places like this (and happier still you share them with us). I feel inspired, when I have a few grey hairs myself, as well as the time and the means to travel, to go on similar adventures. Your channel remains one of the most interesting channels I'm subscribed to and I always feel that I can depend upon it for positive, uplifting and truly thought-provoking content.

  • @TNgrandee3
    @TNgrandee3 7 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Aquachigger, these series of your trip to Arizona in my opinion are as good as some of the documentaries we see on PBS. If you ever put them on a DVD I would be willing to purchase one. Like some have pointed out here this was not taught in school. If you don't mind what was the title of the book you read from? Keep up the good work and always stay safe. Delores

    • @DeathValleyDebbie
      @DeathValleyDebbie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Delores Radford just FYI he pinned a comment now on top with a link to the book. I agree his video is great, I think he should do a show or documentary.

    • @TNgrandee3
      @TNgrandee3 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thank You , KnowledgeNerd. Yes, documentary done by Aquachigger would be well worth watching.

    • @charleshallier7853
      @charleshallier7853 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I absolutely agree with you. It would awesome to have these videos on DVD. This just makes sense in this way we know there are hard copies, if you will or putting on a stick not that we can’t but to keep things honest.

  • @bfgardin
    @bfgardin 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Over the past couple of months, I have grown obsessively addicted to your channel. I feel like I know you better than any of my closest friends. This adventure into Skeleton Cave and the history lesson you gave is not what I would call a gift to humanity but more of a treasure. Beautifully done, Beau. This is among the best documentaries about anything by anyone I have ever seen. Thank you so much for sharing this. And, I'm glad you made it off the mountain. I was holding my breath a few times lol.

  • @jeanetteswalberg6166
    @jeanetteswalberg6166 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for sharing this experience. I can see that it affected you deeply. One of the most powerful images for me was the bullet holes in the cacti. It's like the spirits of the Apaches rose up through them as a witness of what transpired.

  • @dpaul4066
    @dpaul4066 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the compassion you show to nature always inspires me that you care so much,,,,people these days just do not have the respect ( nuts on the floor of a burial ground) so sad...thank you for bringing me with you to these great adventures ...keep posting love what you do,,,,,be safe see you soon for another amazing trip.......peace..........

  • @digging6068
    @digging6068 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Astounding work Mr. Aqauchigger. Great series and thanks for showing us places, that many people will never have the opportunity to see for themselves. It's amazing to think of the bio-diversity of our great nation and even more astounding the diversity of all the people here. That's why this historical journey you shared with us is so important to us, as people of America. We destroyed the Native Americans way of life with our European, ethnocentric views towards them. We can never fully right the atrocities that were committed,but we can learn a lesson and remember what was lost in hopes that we never make such wrongs again.

  • @etc22
    @etc22 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Easily one of the coolest youtube videos I've watched - sitting in the cave and reading the passage from the book about the battle(?) is both fascinating and chilling. Much respect.

  • @onwardsandupwardsrockhounding
    @onwardsandupwardsrockhounding 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well sir, you show great compassion and respect.......excellent job and I respect your willingness to share your adventure. It was enlightening to say the least.
    Thank you!!

  • @desertfoxx1823
    @desertfoxx1823 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am very impressed how you respected that area. As you said, it was very spiritual and it showed in your manor and facial expression. Well done Chigg!

  • @thebatzinator
    @thebatzinator 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    How sad...I probably would've been bawling my eyes out the whole time. Thank you for taking us along and giving us some history lessons along the way.

  • @davidcunico1673
    @davidcunico1673 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to thank him for showing us this place and showing reverence for those that died there

  • @Kris_at_WhiteOaksFarm
    @Kris_at_WhiteOaksFarm 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Darn Beau, that was good. History and incredible views and amazing ambient quiet. Thanks!

  • @garyunderhill7827
    @garyunderhill7827 7 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Chig...I grew up in Arizona for most of my life and not far from that location. Those are not bullet holes in the saguaro cactus. They're nesting holes from the cactus wren. As the hole is bored into the cactus by the wren, the cactus heals itself by creating a hardened shell almost like a hollow gourd that the wren then builds its nest in.

    • @leestuart6749
      @leestuart6749 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bees will sometimes make their hive in those holes and owls will nest in there too.

    • @theofficialdiamondlou2418
      @theofficialdiamondlou2418 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking the same thing.
      On both points. Wren ,bees , yellow jackets . Although they could have originally been bullet holes that wrens saw as a possible source of food.
      And opened further and made nest. As we know they do. It’s hard to say for sure.
      But NOW their nest .... for sure.

    • @SRLowther
      @SRLowther 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG on this. They are indeed bullet holes! Over the years, I have hiked over a thousand miles in the desert, and bullet holes a hundred years old in the saguaro are not at all uncommon! I have even picked slugs out of saguaro ribs. Bullet holes in saguaro are a very old problem. If you do a little research, you will find many articles about it.
      Indeed, you will find cactus wrens and other birds nesting in holes they have pecked out of the cactus. A cellulose crust resembling wood forms around the cavity which is boot shaped, often used as a water and storage containers by indigenous peoples. These "saguaro boot" cavities resemble in no way the holes made by bullets and close range shotgun blasts which invariably go through and through.
      You will find that there are no such through-and-through holes in the thousands of saguaros immediately surrounding that area where the massacre took place.

  • @MsJet1
    @MsJet1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Such a sad story. Thank you for going there for us.

  • @TheShop.
    @TheShop. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been in AZ for 45 years and have never heard of that location. Good detailed video of it's history. Good job.

  • @carpii
    @carpii 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was fascinating, I could watch this sort of stuff all day long. Beautiful landscape there too

  • @nick85able
    @nick85able 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just came across your channel and I absolutely love your work and this was such great history to learn…thank you!!!

  • @badarock177
    @badarock177 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I love in Brazil and indian people are being murdered right now here. It's horribly sad and nobody does anything about it. This is so sad.

  • @orringarn3779
    @orringarn3779 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your documentary on the hike and the cave with its history was so well done, I can now scratch it off my bucket list after 40 years! Thanks for being so respectful and for packing that big book up the mountain...incredible. Can't wait for the next Salt River tubing season. I'm holding my breath!

  • @VeXis101
    @VeXis101 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Love these videos!! You go above and beyond for us to watch and love them all! Thank you

  • @doverdiane
    @doverdiane 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You have a great way of bring history to life. Thanks for taking us along and sharing this historical event with us.

  • @suveran11
    @suveran11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Brilliant,as man who's great grandad was a native this gives me the courage to do a bit of reserch.Thanks.

  • @desertrose2059
    @desertrose2059 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beau, I really appreciate being to able to explore these sites where I live, through your exceptional documentaries. Being disabled, I can never see these first hand, although I live here. Thank you Sir, for letting me explore them with you.

  • @mikemccutchen1714
    @mikemccutchen1714 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the history lesson.Glad you do the research to give us the background on all your trips.

  • @TheAdadadada
    @TheAdadadada 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was one of the best! Thanks Beau! Very well done!

  • @mohicanson673
    @mohicanson673 7 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    It is spiritual..and emotional..thanks for a heartfelt explanation on your part.respect is seldom seen today..sad too..I always enjoy..coming along for the hike!..thanks!..

    • @glenpierce777
      @glenpierce777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He did a great job telling us the story of what happened. Even though I'm from the UK, I love the whole Native American/First Nations history.

    • @carolv8450
      @carolv8450 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They were amazing people. I just learned that when they dance, they say that is when their feet touch the earth they are kissing Mother Earth/ nature . Thought that was very moving.

    • @historyhunter5215
      @historyhunter5215 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Glen Pierce Well Good Day to you Mate from this sites neighboring state of Texas!

    • @glenpierce777
      @glenpierce777 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good evening my dear Chap.

    • @historyhunter5215
      @historyhunter5215 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glen Pierce You are correct I was wrong there lol,it is evening...

  • @tacolover274
    @tacolover274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome desert landscape thanks for sharing thank you for showing respect god bless love your channel

  • @stevew.3249
    @stevew.3249 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Beau,
    Thank you for bringing us along on your adventure.
    Listening to the story you read from the book makes for a sad story.
    Life was very, vary, different in those times.
    Thanks again.
    Steve,

  • @shaneshannon1096
    @shaneshannon1096 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for bringing us along on this expedition. Myself and many others thank you for the respect that you paid them.

  • @glenpierce777
    @glenpierce777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Such a sad, sad event. Well done Beau, you always bring history to life. It's sad that some people do not think when visiting places that they should leave nothing but their footprints. Skeleton Cave should be viewed as a very sacred place, somewhere that must be cherished to the memory of those Apache that were killed there.
    Btw, What is the name of the book you were reading from?

    • @terryrgee
      @terryrgee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Ken Elliott What would you do if someone raided America and raped and murdered your friends and family? Your response is ignorant and disgraceful.

  • @elizabethchastain2582
    @elizabethchastain2582 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My first visit to your channel, and I really enjoyed the videos. It means alot to me that you are one of the decent few considerate enough to be aware of the litter others so ignorantly leave and going the extra mile to remove it. You respect the history of the site and can relate to the trauma experienced by the people that died there. I think that we are all connected, past, present and future. It is important to take stock and own up to past transgressions so we can accurately see who we are and what we came from.Maybe the past can help us make adjustments and decide who we want to be in this lifetime. In short, I appreciate your respect.

  • @tomheli
    @tomheli 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i just loved this video thank you so mutch Beau. The helicopter that you saw yesterday was a Bell 212 and that big helicopter that you saw on this video is the Erickson S-64 Air-Crane (I just like helicopters would love to see an Apache flying overthere)

    • @BJDickerson
      @BJDickerson 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I worked at Erickson. I still love aircraft after being an aircraft mechanic in the Navy also.

  • @moondropkiss
    @moondropkiss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I Just found your videos today and have watched several of them. I appreciate how you narrate and you can be funny at times as well as respectful. Thank you for sharing your journeys with us.

    • @aquachigger
      @aquachigger  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. I appreciate that.

  • @richkrauss6405
    @richkrauss6405 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is the most FANTASTIC video you have ever posted. Most informative and so sad.

  • @deborahjaniak7531
    @deborahjaniak7531 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Chigg thank you so much! This was very poignant, and extremely captivating. I love history and you brought this to life. Truly my favorite series....please do Moar!

  • @macgregorwiggins1285
    @macgregorwiggins1285 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    A small excerpt from the web page of the book that Chigg was reading from tells about an 8 year old Yavapai boy, captured and forced to lead soldiers to the cave, where he had to watch the battle as his family was killed and afterward he was shown the body of his grandfather:
    "Hoo-Moo-Thy-Ah [...], was born into Yavapai family in Arizona, just before the establishment of Ft. McDowell, built by the U.S. Government to subjugate Native American peoples. His birthplace, around 1864, was near the Four Peaks Mountains, near Tonto Basin. In his autobiography he remembered the time as of "great beauty and happiness." However, when he was about 5 years old, his life was altered forever. His mother was killed by soldiers out on a patrol. She apparently ran for her life and crawled in a rock hole. She was pulled out and shot several times. After her murder, his father became a bitter enemy of the "Hayko" (enemy) and would often go with friends to the Salt River Valley just to kill any "Hayko" they could. The young boy was left responsible for the care of his younger brother and sister.
    Then, when Hoo-Moo-Thy-Ah was about eight years old, he was sent by his father to accompany his uncle to Wipuk (in the Sedona country) to bring back a horse. They were surprised by a patrol and the uncle deserted him. The terrified boy hid himself in a hole in a rock while the soldiers camped nearby. It became night and he almost froze to death, in a snowstorm, wearing only a G-string. They had been camped near Four Peaks, about 7,645 elevation in the Mazatzals. When he emerged the next morning, he was captured by the soldiers, whom he considered true demons. The captors remembered his valiant but vain struggle and after he lost, he was dragged over the rocks "like a log." The capture was in the winter of 1872 and General Crook was beginning his Tonto campaign.
    The terrified child was taken to Captain James Burns, Six days later he was forced to lead the soldiers and Maricopa and Pima scouts to Skeleton Cave and witnessed the massacre of over 60 of his people, including his father and siblings, grandfather, uncle and aunt. He was shown the body of his grandfather, who had part of his head in a little rock hole."

    • @georik627
      @georik627 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow thank you

    • @SRLowther
      @SRLowther 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here is a link to his autobiography: uapress.arizona.edu/book/the-only-one-living-to-tell

  • @rockyperez2828
    @rockyperez2828 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Chigg at 34:07 those nodules you were talking about I sometimes call the chocolate geodes cause some of them if you pop them open have tiny holes with crystals inside. You can find a lot of them on the other side of that mountain your at to the East outside of the little town of Superior which also has Apache Tears, you should also go check out the big mountain there called Apache Leap very cool where the cavalryman chased a bunch of Apaches up top and instead of surrendering women, children and warriors all jumped over the side of the cliff.

  • @dougalexander7204
    @dougalexander7204 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Much respect for Aquachigger. Thank you for sharing this spiritual journey.

  • @shucksful
    @shucksful 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You remind me so much of my good friend Edward, who sadly passed this week. You really have that great spirit that reminds me of him…Take care, and Ty.

  • @HkSniper
    @HkSniper 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A great 2 part series on some very interesting history. Thanks for the insight and everything with this as well as the lesson. I never knew of this location or it's story until you discussed it. Also, I have to give you props for the large amount of respect you are showing this site and the remains found on site. It's a shame others do not have this mindset. Great video. Be safe out there!

  • @matthewfocke5360
    @matthewfocke5360 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sir, the best personal historical presentation-On sight! Thanks so much.

  • @charleswillsonpeale5739
    @charleswillsonpeale5739 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I think Chigg finally found human bones. It must be Chief Yellow Ricky ! Beau, I guess you're outta' town and won't see this but, this was one of your best series.

  • @bills6093
    @bills6093 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Beau. Good job of telling the story your way and reminding us to read about it ourselves, too. I like the fact that you remind us that you may not be 100% right in telling the story on the fly, but the place and the events are important to know. Your visual lessons about showing respect are always nice to see. Can't wait for more east coast river adventures.

  • @ohioturkeyhunter
    @ohioturkeyhunter 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love the history of this video. I also respect the emotion of this video. I think it would be interesting to get a metal detector up there to just locate the shell casings, nothing more, just to locate them to see where the soldiers were firing from.

  • @Janettemay64
    @Janettemay64 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The thank you for hanging out, the pleasure has been all mine, as always, love your stories and a bit more American history learned, great video.

  • @marypass684
    @marypass684 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What an awesome 'trip'. And I appreciate all your videos so much. Very sad to hear the narrative of the massacre. Wow, we treated the American Indian with such cruelty. My daughter is an American Indian (adopted), Chippawah(sp). . .. again, thanks for taking us along. Am going to see if I can find the book.

    • @IndianaStoned
      @IndianaStoned ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you find it at all? Been lookin for the title of it.

  • @michaelsonleitner5724
    @michaelsonleitner5724 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Beau for the adventure! Really appreciate your respect for the departed. Sad that happened in our history. Got to learn from it and not repeat. Thanks for the lesson!

  • @DVProductions
    @DVProductions 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    YES, I agree with you 100% people should respect the land and people who lost their lives. Thank you for all that respect the lands and history we have.

  • @ms-fj8di
    @ms-fj8di 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In my opinion, two of your best videos to date. (Part 1, Part 2)

  • @mikebaize6971
    @mikebaize6971 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    great video sir that was one of my favorite and saddest all in one just thinking of those Indians just getting slaughtered just breaks my heart but thanks for the great video again

  • @purplebonnie3620
    @purplebonnie3620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are a lot like my dad! There was a riverbed under a dam that we called The Gully. He would say he was Gully-ing when he went out and looked for stuff. The desert, the mountains, just about anywhere! He loved and created brass things. Found an old street lamp made of brass in the middle of the desert. He dug it up, restored it and put it on a wall that's in his living room.. He even made little brass key chains with a magnet, and gave them to all his friends so they could check to see if it's made of brass. Good memories. Thanks for the trip!!!💜💜💜

  • @LavishHim
    @LavishHim 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wow! Thanks so much for doing that for us. Something about history rocks my soul. Makes me want to have witnessed it myself… But of course then I probably be dead. When I was in high school I flunked history. Hated it because all they had us do was memorize dates. One day, in my early 20s, I went to Morristown museum (nj) all by myself, and got hit with what our ancestors went through so that we could be free. Suddenly history came alive for me and has been ever since. If only the teachers knew that memorizing dates was so incredibly boring and that the stories are so incredibly intriguing. They'd have had a lot more passing students! Again, this was awesome! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @ronvanpelt8196
      @ronvanpelt8196 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      very well put Danielle l totally agree that all the emphasis on dates and the like is trivial when there are amazing stories to be told the dates matter only as a time context.
      l love history of all sorts Chig does us all a great service with is vlogs finding relics and visiting the sites he does.

  • @kevinhargrove3836
    @kevinhargrove3836 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just moved from ny to eagar AZ. I saw the mountains outside Phoenix and it was amazing. I started metal detecting because of you. Thanks for the awesome content

  • @doodlebug7349
    @doodlebug7349 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This was very informative, interesting and extremely sad! I really HATE how the native American people were treated it breaks my heart! Thank you for sharing with us!

  • @stepevin923
    @stepevin923 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beau, i follow your adventures in river hunters over here in the uk. Love the series and what you bring to it.
    Yes you are correct, some have no respect over areas of death in history, especially the so called Indian Wars. Terrible time in history.

  • @ianlane7026
    @ianlane7026 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Wow What a humbling experience just to watch this video can't imagine what it felt like to be there Never forget that history is written by the victors and there are always at least two sides to every argument Thanks Beau 👍

  • @stephenobrien5646
    @stephenobrien5646 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think you missed you're calling. I would sit in every history class you tutored. Thank you for letting their ghosts know not all of us agreed. I come from Glasgow in Scotland and you have not only opened the world and history to me but also the heart. Those who respect history are in your debt.

  • @gregorp3821
    @gregorp3821 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What's the particular name of our book about west?
    Thank you for your great movies.