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hi, great pronounciation of french cities names, main details to correct are: the S in paris is not pronounced in french and Metz is pronounced like "mess"
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William The Conqueror wasn't the only Norman who changed history: another faction of Normans migrated and settled in Southern Italy and, under the leadership of the Hauteville brothers Robert Guiscard and Roger, eventually conquered it from Lombards and Byzantines, defeated Papal and Holy Roman Imperial forces, Roger conquered Sicily from the Arabs, while Robert and his son, Bohemond of Taranto, invaded the Balkans and inflicted some devastating defeats to the Byzantines. And later Bohemond would be one of the main leaders of the First Crusade and due to his previous experience in fighting against the Seljuk Turks (in Byzantine service) he played the decisive role in defeating the Seljuks at Nicaea, Dorylaeum, and Antioch.
Almost all cities were small back then. About 90% of the population lived on the countryside, and the population in general were a lot smaller than today.
It's great how you juxtapose the history with the TV series. It helps to legitimize the show, despite its fictional elements, while setting the record straight. Cheers!
Can you do a video on raiding, not just vokings but how other kingdoms would raid each other just to prove how worthy they where to wear the crown. 👑 Back then everyone raided each other and they didnt need a just cause to do so only to weaken their enemy or even neighbors.
This video provides a fascinating insight into the tumultuous period when Paris faced the relentless onslaught of Viking invaders. The meticulous historical narration sheds light on the complex dynamics between the Frankish Empire and the Viking raiders, offering a captivating journey through this pivotal moment in history. Kudos to the creators for their thorough research and engaging storytelling!
The Viking TV-shows siege of Paris is more similar to Björn Ironside and Hasteins siege of Luna in Italy where they supposedly tricked them selves into the city by pretending to be a dying Christian convert, while hiding swords in their robes and sacked the city.
@@Lawnmower1068 It s really pointless to argue over this but imagine that between ,,quite a small town back then" and ,,almost a village" is a comma ( , ). The ,,almost a village " part I said thinking of some rural places having similar populations nowadays.
@@Lawnmower1068 While clearly not a village, 5000 will still surprise people considering Rome, for example, was at around 1 million people during its peak in the roman empire 900 years before. Town were much smaller than they were before during this period of the middle-age.
Nice summary of this sad chapter in European history. Especially sad that the descendants of Charlemagne were too busy fighting amongst themselves to protect their people from Vikings.
dumb question: Why did Odo and the Parisians not allow the Vikings to simply pass through and plunder Burgundy? Was it simple moral virtue that made them unwilling to be complicit in the killing and robbing of their neighbors? That's kinda heartwarming
Everyone was raiding each other back then kingdoms would raid ither kingdoms, they did not need proxy armies just a little combat to make themselves worthy of the crown. 👑
Would you trust them, an army in the thousands which likely outnumbers your city, would you trust a group of literal raiders to pass through without doing anything to your kingdom? The Franks had no choice but to fight I say and I guess it was the right choice seeing how well things turned out for Count Odo
They considered as kinsmen, as the Frankish empire was still a recent memory for most living souls, especially so for nobility. Moreover, the Crown was close to Burgundy.
The HRE was found in 800 but was consolidated by 962 by king Otto I of Germany when he was crown by pope John XII and was destroyed in 1806 by Napoleon
@@XRakxXRaknasan What? The Carolingians was split into 3 major nations; West Francia, Middle Francia and East Francia. Lombardia as well, IIRC. There was no HRE. I guess there's some confusion or disagreements as to definitions? The Carolingian Empire was nothing like the HRE we normally refer to but I'll have to look into this again. Edit: And the Carolingians _DID_ have to deal with the Vikings, in fact some of them - perhaps especially West Francia - had their future somewhat shaped by that (and the butterfly/domino effect and so forth)
At least they won that war and in fact Normans were also French for 99%. It was some kind of civil war. Especially with the Burgundians (also French) helping the "English".
Charles the Fat .. more like Charles the Flaccid. Just lets them go on their way with the raid despite bringing an army to their face. Can't imagine how the Parisian defenders felt
No! No! Vikings is real footage from the time. I’m sure of if it. But, yeah, the number 30-40k is a joke. It would have been the largest army ever by far of the age.
Wow thank you for this video and I am actually related to one of the Viking commanders the one that was named rollo and I am related to him because one of my 3rd great grand uncles had an eighth great grandfather and this eighth great grandfather was the 17th in lineal descent from Gundred who was the daughter of the William the conqueror and from William the conqueror to rolo you go to Williams great grandfather Richard the first Duke of Normandy aka Richard the fearless and he was the grandson of rolo and his wife popapa of Bayeux through their son William longsword the second count of Rouen.
There are a few mistakes : - Paris was the capital of Francia since Clovis in 508. It remained the capital of the Kingdom of the west Franks after the treaty of Verdun in 843, and then of France until today. - Rollo's defeat at the battle of Chartres was in 911 and not 991* - The Normans (of which i am) are a mix of Vikings and Gallo-Franks, but the latter have in reality always been the largest part of the mix. That's why the language is very similar to other oil languages (which includes French), and the culture is close. And also why they become christians. Also, Normandy has never been independent, and always part of France and technically, the Duke of Normandy was a vassal of the French king. By the time of Hastings, the Normans were basically a French people. They sung the song of Rolland before the battle, used Frankish tactics and half of William's army was not from Normandy but from other regions of northern France. He even had mercenaries from Lombardy. And later, the language of the English court, law and aristocracy was French, for centuries...
Tell that to the English they can't handle the fact. They say Normans were 100% Vikings so they don't feel to bad about themselves. We all know they were 95% more French than Danish.
Paris was not the capital, as one singular capital did not exist at that time. The most important cities were Reims, Aachen, Metz, Soissons and Paris, but there was no single capital until the end of the frankish empire. Only under the centralisation and establishment of the french kingdom under Hugh Capet, Paris became the single main capital.
@@Echoak95 at the time of the Viking raids, the Frankish empire was over. Paris was the capital and main city of the Kingdom of West Francia But sometimes the King spent much time in one of his castles in Soissons, Laon or in later centuries in the Loire, and ruled from there. But the centre of power and institutions were in Paris
@@skiteufr the Frankish Empire was not over yet, as it existed for a short time as an united empire under Charles the fat until 887, when Paris was no residential or royal city at that time. The empire titel even existed to the 920s, but yeah at that time you are right with the importance of Paris and west Francia.
@@Echoak95 stop your bullshit man. You're trying to pinpoint a detail that lasted two years to support an invalid point. The Empire ended in 843 with the treaty of Verdun that split the Empire into 3 parts. The western part become the Kingdom of Francia Occidentalis, then of the Franks and France. Paris was the capital. Even when the royal palace was located in Versailles or elsewhere, the centre of institutions and ambassies remained Paris, always. The temporary and Lucky revivals of the Frankish Empire that happened from 875 to 877 with Charles II of France or from 885 to 887 with Charles III the fat were merely symbolic and did not change the political apparatus and system of the previous entities, who split very quickly anyway and came back to their previous status
Amazing as usual. Any update on the 30 years war??? I read Wilson's books so to see a series along those lines is amazing, considering it's a difficult read
Reginherus is just written that way because the chronicles are in Latin. -us is nominative. Reginher or something that sounds like that would've the Frankish variant of his actual name, Ragnarr. By the way, that extra -r at the end is that exact same nominative, and is from the same origin has Latin -us. Regin = ruler, her = army.
@@faramund9865 I think his reason for NOT calling him Ragnar, is because it would make everyone assume that he is saying it actually WAS Ragnar Lothbrok. And what he is saying, is that we DON'T KNOW if this was actually Ragnar Lothbrok.
@@Tjalve70 No, you do not have a clue. We can not time travel to pinpoint what a word meant exactly 1000 years ago. And the meaning would have drifted. Compare what the words you are using today would have meant 200 years ago? 400 years ago? Ragnarök would be a very old concept when it was written down in 1250. Maybe it was 1000 years old already. "Ragn" in ragnarök would mean something different in 1250 than it meant in 200. And it would mean something different in 900 too. Våld and Ragn have very similar meanings, they are both used to signify political power and violence and violent conflict. That is as close as you are going to get. Unless you go into a specific use in a specific manuscript. And then write a paper to discuss the actual meaning in that time and place.
There is not yet such a thing as a "knight" in the Carolingian period (defending Odo), that notion belogs to the middle medieval period (11th-13th centuries). The film seems to do the same thing: situating the siege of Paris in a 13th century material context instead of the 9th. Is it due to a lack of documentation of the film makers, or did they just not expect the viewers to recognize a Carolingian environment, so went for a better known one, which is a little like an insult to the viewers?
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 The viewers of the film mostly knew that things were jazzed up for the story, but there was some underlying history. The show has encouraged many to actually learn more about the history.
@@mch2359 Viewers know the story is mostly made up, but I doubt a lot know that the buildings represented are 13th century instead of 9th century. Not much progress had been made in that area since the film "Vikings" with Kirk Douglas, at least there it is was more like 12th century. But of course, it is still good, better than having Napoleonian hussars against Vikings, perhaps I am expecting too much.
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 That is interesting that the buildings were so "modern" for their time. It reminds me of movies about the old west. All the towns were dusty and faded like they were a hundred years old. Seems like Blazing Saddles was the only "western" that got it right with new towns being freshly painted. Anyway, this time of the Viking invaders is interesting, a more fact based telling of the history, like in this video, is a real treat.
Ah yes, the concept of force multipliers and attrition are simply irrelevant. There definitely aren't many documented examples of groups outnumbered 100 to 1 resisting sieges throughout history. We are all truly humbled by your opinions; Thank you oh-wise one.
@@nemos9856 Rhodes was defended by 7000 fighting against 140 000 ottomans that ratio is 7,5 times more favorable for the defenders (as compared to what this chronicler wrote) and they still lost.
No, the Normans were Frankish in 11th century, the Vikings quickly assimilated into the Gallo-Frankish world. In terms of numbers, they were much inferior, and adopted the regional customs already existing before in Neustria. They had regional differences with other regions in France, but no more than the Burgundians, Picards, Angevins, etc...
They did some tests on some bones from Normans and they found that most regular Normans were atleast 25% Scandinavian. Viking settelment didnt stop with the first one, vikings from Norway, Iceland and Denmark continued to come to Normandy into the 11th century. Normandy would be literally nothing without the vikings. Who do you think they got their fierce fighting spirit from
@@NoName-qe4yx I didn't say the contrary, but there's more to the story than just DNA. All Norse things were diluted with the Gallo-Frankish world in the region of Neustria, particularly with Marriages. But also the language, trade, the art of war (they became heavy cavalrymen, and knights, where the Vikings fought on foot), castle life, regional customs, feudal politics (vassalage of the king of the Franks), culture (the Song of Roland had been heard during William's conquest), Fashion/Clothing (The Normans shaved short like the Franks), Religion (Entirely Christian), etc... The Scandinavians were massively few in number in term of ratio to maintain their culture, they quickly assimilated. This certainly created a unique region in the Frankish kingdom, but this was the case for all regions of the Kingdom. Each had their own dialects of Old French and customs. In the South of France, they did not even speak in Old French, but in Old Occitan. Which gave more cultural differences. It's like comparing France and Spain today. As such, the Normans were closer to the Northern Franks than of the South.
"they were much inferior" I think you overestimate how urban and populated cities were at this time. You should look up how the population of Earth has increased the last 1000 years. They were probably fewer in numbers in the entirety of the region of modern Normandy, however they were not comparatively "few". And this is the exact reason why they were _very_ distinct, more so than for instance the Burgundians you mention.
@@NoName-qe4yx Their sea tactics and their equipment was also _heavily_ influenced by Norse culture and traditions. That they were "not distinct" is a load of bollocks, sorry. I think Emperor Basil II and Emperor Alexios I would disagree with you there. (Edit: Not you but tibsky) Even Sicily/South Italy was conquered by a Norman, who in turn eventually went on to invade the Byzantines themselves. At this point, however, some of their seafaring traditions and expertise had waned and might be the main reason for their ultimate failure (at least when it did happen).
@@tibsky1396 "(they became heavy cavalrymen, and knights, where the Vikings fought on foot)" This is not true at all, their best footmen were renowned. And, again, their way of warfare and sea traditions and other things heavily influenced by the Norse. As for your linguistic claims, I will post something I had to find from a French Medieval major to put into words my thoughts; "Prior to the Norman Conquest, there were basically two pools of languages that would eventually become modern "English" and "French", and they were developing somewhat independently. The various regional "Englishes" of the time were descended from the Angle, Saxon, Celtic and Scandinavian languages that had migrated and invaded Britain over time. Similarly, there were two broadly related but distinct versions of "French" evolving at the time, which would eventually merge to become modern French -- "langue d'oc" and "langue d'oil" (based on how they tended pronounced the word for "yes"). At the time of the Conquest, though, there were still many different flavors of both versions being used. There were definitely some overlaps in the various "English" and "French" languages that were spoken before the Conquest, though -- especially on both sides of the Channel, in southeastern Britain and northwestern France. That was for two reasons: historically, both sides of the channel had had strong historical Celtic and Norse influences for centuries, and in the century or two before the invasion, there had been a lot of invading, counter-invading and inter-marrying between powerful families on both sides. By the time of the Norman Conquest, the new nobility from northeastern France insisted on speaking a dialect of French that was primarily "langue d'oil", and so the vocabulary and grammar of the English spoken at the time began to be significantly influenced by contemporaneous French from Normandy. Within the next couple of centuries, the grammar of old English not only started to standardize, but it also started to take on a lot more characteristics from Norman French. There was never any kind of wholesale takeover, though -- for cultural and political reasons, there was enormous resistance to having the older Anglo-Saxon language subsumed by the language of the conquering culture." This is just in regards to contemporary cross-channel interactions. A lot of your comments project the world _you_ live in; not the one *THEY* lived in. "It's like comparing France and Spain today." Not even _remotely._ Not historically, not linguistically, not geopolitically, not sociologically, not in _any_ way is it like France and Spain "today". If you said "Netherlands and Germany" I _could_ give a pass.
@@DreadWaaaghGaming He is a Germanspeaking person, the Geld in Danegeld is pronounced similar to the German word for money = Geld. He definetely didn't say girly
There is no y in the proper pronunciation of Dane. He also said the word geld correct, as the word is still in use in the German language. He also didn't said girl, get your ears washed.
@roberthartburg266 well Danegeld was something in place in England. Not Germany or anywhere else. So the proper pronunciation would be the English. As I said
Had the same feeling when i first tried watching it in 2020, if you treat it like a historical series it's pretty horrible, what worked for me was just treating it like Lotr or Got just treat it like a fantasy story with historical characters and you'll enjoy it alot more.
Same here. I long for the day when we will get historical accuracy as a norm in dramatazations of the past, and not only documentaries. A real looking viking warrior with gambeson, mail and Gjermundbu style helmet. Atleast one can dream. 😅😭
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hi, great pronounciation of french cities names, main details to correct are: the S in paris is not pronounced in french and Metz is pronounced like "mess"
Telling the events while comparing it with the series is a very good idea rather than just saying the wrongs of it much more smooth content
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I am like Charles The Simple.
I see a SandRhoman upload, I click.
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@@GAarcherI think a pepin is a type of bird.
The illustration of Odo, with his period-correct sword, is very nice!
William The Conqueror wasn't the only Norman who changed history: another faction of Normans migrated and settled in Southern Italy and, under the leadership of the Hauteville brothers Robert Guiscard and Roger, eventually conquered it from Lombards and Byzantines, defeated Papal and Holy Roman Imperial forces, Roger conquered Sicily from the Arabs, while Robert and his son, Bohemond of Taranto, invaded the Balkans and inflicted some devastating defeats to the Byzantines.
And later Bohemond would be one of the main leaders of the First Crusade and due to his previous experience in fighting against the Seljuk Turks (in Byzantine service) he played the decisive role in defeating the Seljuks at Nicaea, Dorylaeum, and Antioch.
The Bald wasn't bald and The Fat wasn't fat 😆
He was phat though
And the Simple was no simple
More like slightly bald and slightly fat.
Sounds just like me!@@edgychico9311
The terrible wasn’t terrible, the elder wasn’t old, the pretender wasn’t pretending. These historical nicknames make no sense 😂
the guy who plays Ragnarr made the tv show so much better. I got hooked on viking history after that
I hadn't realised how tiny Paris was back then
Almost all cities were small back then.
About 90% of the population lived on the countryside, and the population in general were a lot smaller than today.
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We need a simple video about the simple life of Charles the Simple.
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Small mistake at the timestamp of 23:48. I think that you meant 891, instead of 991. But that's just a nitpick. Great work on the video!
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Massive fucking crossbow
And
Pot of oil”😂
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These damn Frankish names Charles the simple, Charles the fat, and let not forget about bozo, it had to be pretty rough for him on the playground.
A history of Ram ranch under siege please
It's under lockdown!
EIGHTEEN NAKED COWBOYS AT RAM RANCH
My viking ancestors raided the early settlement of Ram Ranch. They brought home some big buff strong cowboys from the showers there.
nice video
I adore the stories of the Vikings where they became Normans to become rulers of Southern Italy. Its a very cool story.
And then they fought other Vikings hired as mercenaries by the Byzantine empire
@@thePyiott Hell yeah! :D
I would like to congratulate him for his amazing prononciation which I recognise is not easy at all
It's great how you juxtapose the history with the TV series. It helps to legitimize the show, despite its fictional elements, while setting the record straight. Cheers!
Always learn, thank you!
Thanks!
Can you do a video on raiding, not just vokings but how other kingdoms would raid each other just to prove how worthy they where to wear the crown. 👑 Back then everyone raided each other and they didnt need a just cause to do so only to weaken their enemy or even neighbors.
yay! good viking history! love it!
This video provides a fascinating insight into the tumultuous period when Paris faced the relentless onslaught of Viking invaders. The meticulous historical narration sheds light on the complex dynamics between the Frankish Empire and the Viking raiders, offering a captivating journey through this pivotal moment in history. Kudos to the creators for their thorough research and engaging storytelling!
Amazing work as always
“Oh Rollo, if you knew what the gods had in store for you, you would go down to the shore and dance naked…”
@@leeh6317 Warhammer 2 out this week. Guess which voice actor is the main character?
The seer 😂
Thanks for making this video
Charles the Bald wasn't bald, Charles the Fat wasn't fat, and Charles the Simple wasn't simple? They seemed pretty bad at giving nicknames
Charles the Great was... kinda great. Sort of. One out of four ain't bad.
@@johntitor_ibm5100: Not great either.
Charles the Pretty Good
@@SirCheezersIII It's certainly more efficient than Charles the Shedder of the Blood of 4,000 Saxon Men (it was Actually 4,500)
The Viking TV-shows siege of Paris is more similar to Björn Ironside and Hasteins siege of Luna in Italy where they supposedly tricked them selves into the city by pretending to be a dying Christian convert, while hiding swords in their robes and sacked the city.
After a few generations the Norse and Franks where no longer separate but one and the same. They would then be called Narcs.
Indeed. These people where well known to inform the authorities about any illegal activities they came across.
Wow Paris really was a small town back then almost a village 😮
5000 people
"Almost a village"
@@Lawnmower1068 Quite a few villages in the modern day have a population around 5000.
@@someonesilence3731 let me quote him once more:
"Back then"
@@Lawnmower1068
It s really pointless to argue over this but imagine that between ,,quite a small town back then" and ,,almost a village" is a comma ( , ). The ,,almost a village " part I said thinking of some rural places having similar populations nowadays.
@@Lawnmower1068 While clearly not a village, 5000 will still surprise people considering Rome, for example, was at around 1 million people during its peak in the roman empire 900 years before. Town were much smaller than they were before during this period of the middle-age.
My high school had an exchange program with a school from Noirmoutier. I had no idea that it was involved with the Vikings
I know WIlliam the Conqueror is a very trendy figure for the normand culture but the Hautevilles also left their mark and not only in Europe.
Nice summary of this sad chapter in European history. Especially sad that the descendants of Charlemagne were too busy fighting amongst themselves to protect their people from Vikings.
dumb question: Why did Odo and the Parisians not allow the Vikings to simply pass through and plunder Burgundy? Was it simple moral virtue that made them unwilling to be complicit in the killing and robbing of their neighbors? That's kinda heartwarming
Everyone was raiding each other back then kingdoms would raid ither kingdoms, they did not need proxy armies just a little combat to make themselves worthy of the crown. 👑
Would you trust them, an army in the thousands which likely outnumbers your city, would you trust a group of literal raiders to pass through without doing anything to your kingdom?
The Franks had no choice but to fight I say and I guess it was the right choice seeing how well things turned out for Count Odo
They considered as kinsmen, as the Frankish empire was still a recent memory for most living souls, especially so for nobility.
Moreover, the Crown was close to Burgundy.
Really cool video
good stuff
nice job guys
Wow Charles the fat was lamer than I thought. What a sad way to end the carolingean dynasty - they went out just as weak as the merovingians did.
It would be interesting to know how the HRE faired against the Vkings.
? The Holy Roman Empire didn't exist until 1512.
What are you talking about?
The HRE was found in 800 but was consolidated by 962 by king Otto I of Germany when he was crown by pope John XII and was destroyed in 1806 by Napoleon
@@XRakxXRaknasan What?
The Carolingians was split into 3 major nations; West Francia, Middle Francia and East Francia. Lombardia as well, IIRC. There was no HRE.
I guess there's some confusion or disagreements as to definitions?
The Carolingian Empire was nothing like the HRE we normally refer to but I'll have to look into this again.
Edit: And the Carolingians _DID_ have to deal with the Vikings, in fact some of them - perhaps especially West Francia - had their future somewhat shaped by that (and the butterfly/domino effect and so forth)
I have never watched vikings.Is the wheel of death in indiana jones style rolling wheel of death
Basically
It rolls down a corridor bridge using tracks and a chain to bring it back
Crushes and impales a bunch and blocks the way
22:23 French knights sure were easily taunted, even when the Hundred Years War was still half a millenia away.
At least they won that war and in fact Normans were also French for 99%. It was some kind of civil war. Especially with the Burgundians (also French) helping the "English".
@@Leon-bc8hm
Yes
@@Leon-bc8hmcope harder frog
I'm pretty sure that chain thing is what they did in Constantinople against the Ottomans.
It was rather comon and yes constantinople used also chsins, bext to nany otger port cities.
And the Ottomans transported ships across land to circumvent the chain.
Danke!
very nice video 8-)
Imagine being such a badass people in the future can't believe you even existed.
rip BOSO
The Viking's ability to strike when and where their enemies were the weakest is impressive. Both on a strategic and tactical level.
Who were in paris ?
🥷🏾's
Next video needs to be the many treaties of Paris.
Where's the Jay-Z song - Vikings in Paris?
Ragnar is a Scandinavian name. Reginherus sound like a latinasion.
Well, it was written in Latin by a monk. So what do you expect?
You should do a video on the Russian strelsty
Yes
Charles the Fat .. more like Charles the Flaccid. Just lets them go on their way with the raid despite bringing an army to their face. Can't imagine how the Parisian defenders felt
are u from switzerland?
grüezi!
12:29 there was no Novgorod till 930
No! No! Vikings is real footage from the time. I’m sure of if it. But, yeah, the number 30-40k is a joke. It would have been the largest army ever by far of the age.
Where female warriors tossed large warrior men with no effort 😂 .
"My cousin saw it in a dream, this is how it happened..."
Wow thank you for this video and I am actually related to one of the Viking commanders the one that was named rollo and I am related to him because one of my 3rd great grand uncles had an eighth great grandfather and this eighth great grandfather was the 17th in lineal descent from Gundred who was the daughter of the William the conqueror and from William the conqueror to rolo you go to Williams great grandfather Richard the first Duke of Normandy aka Richard the fearless and he was the grandson of rolo and his wife popapa of Bayeux through their son William longsword the second count of Rouen.
Stop LARP:ing lmao
@@ville3932 what’s larping.
lmao stop the cap
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@@chasechristophermurraydola9314 Live Action Role Playing..?
Great video
Nice
There are a few mistakes :
- Paris was the capital of Francia since Clovis in 508. It remained the capital of the Kingdom of the west Franks after the treaty of Verdun in 843, and then of France until today.
- Rollo's defeat at the battle of Chartres was in 911 and not 991*
- The Normans (of which i am) are a mix of Vikings and Gallo-Franks, but the latter have in reality always been the largest part of the mix. That's why the language is very similar to other oil languages (which includes French), and the culture is close. And also why they become christians. Also, Normandy has never been independent, and always part of France and technically, the Duke of Normandy was a vassal of the French king. By the time of Hastings, the Normans were basically a French people. They sung the song of Rolland before the battle, used Frankish tactics and half of William's army was not from Normandy but from other regions of northern France. He even had mercenaries from Lombardy. And later, the language of the English court, law and aristocracy was French, for centuries...
Tell that to the English they can't handle the fact. They say Normans were 100% Vikings so they don't feel to bad about themselves. We all know they were 95% more French than Danish.
Paris was not the capital, as one singular capital did not exist at that time. The most important cities were Reims, Aachen, Metz, Soissons and Paris, but there was no single capital until the end of the frankish empire. Only under the centralisation and establishment of the french kingdom under Hugh Capet, Paris became the single main capital.
@@Echoak95 at the time of the Viking raids, the Frankish empire was over. Paris was the capital and main city of the Kingdom of West Francia
But sometimes the King spent much time in one of his castles in Soissons, Laon or in later centuries in the Loire, and ruled from there. But the centre of power and institutions were in Paris
@@skiteufr the Frankish Empire was not over yet, as it existed for a short time as an united empire under Charles the fat until 887, when Paris was no residential or royal city at that time. The empire titel even existed to the 920s, but yeah at that time you are right with the importance of Paris and west Francia.
@@Echoak95 stop your bullshit man. You're trying to pinpoint a detail that lasted two years to support an invalid point. The Empire ended in 843 with the treaty of Verdun that split the Empire into 3 parts. The western part become the Kingdom of Francia Occidentalis, then of the Franks and France. Paris was the capital. Even when the royal palace was located in Versailles or elsewhere, the centre of institutions and ambassies remained Paris, always.
The temporary and Lucky revivals of the Frankish Empire that happened from 875 to 877 with Charles II of France or from 885 to 887 with Charles III the fat were merely symbolic and did not change the political apparatus and system of the previous entities, who split very quickly anyway and came back to their previous status
On your map... why do you have Merica covering the territories of Northumbria?
As a French, I am estonished by your good pronunciation of French location
PArce-que l'auteur est Québécois je pense.
Amazing as usual. Any update on the 30 years war??? I read Wilson's books so to see a series along those lines is amazing, considering it's a difficult read
Hold on there ! Ragnar (as played by Travis Fimmel) did just exactly that. I saw him !
Lol
Charles 'the fat' was not actually fat 🤷♂
He was big boned
No he wasn't but I bet Charles the skinny was.
Lindisfarne was not the first Viking raid or attack on British soil btw
This is true. But I think they were not well documented, therefore ignored.
@@Vandelberger They raided the South Coast nr Portland Bill first, in Wessex at that time
Reginherus is just written that way because the chronicles are in Latin. -us is nominative.
Reginher or something that sounds like that would've the Frankish variant of his actual name, Ragnarr.
By the way, that extra -r at the end is that exact same nominative, and is from the same origin has Latin -us.
Regin = ruler, her = army.
So please refrain from calling him Reginherus unless you're willing to do your entire video in Latin and call Charlemagne 'Karolus Magnus' etc.
And Charles the Bald as: Karolus Calvus. You see how it makes no sense what you have done?
Otherwise, thanks for the entertaining video.
@@faramund9865 I think his reason for NOT calling him Ragnar, is because it would make everyone assume that he is saying it actually WAS Ragnar Lothbrok. And what he is saying, is that we DON'T KNOW if this was actually Ragnar Lothbrok.
Hype!
Ragn = war Vald = Power
In which language is that?
Anyway, in this video, they are talking about Ragnar. Not Ragnvald. And Ragnar means "counsel" and "army".
@@Tjalve70 Compare ragn to English Reign or ragn in ragnarök. Compare Vald to words like välde and våld.
@@DestinationBarbarism So you don't have a clue, do you?
@@Tjalve70 No, you do not have a clue.
We can not time travel to pinpoint what a word meant exactly 1000 years ago. And the meaning would have drifted. Compare what the words you are using today would have meant 200 years ago? 400 years ago?
Ragnarök would be a very old concept when it was written down in 1250. Maybe it was 1000 years old already. "Ragn" in ragnarök would mean something different in 1250 than it meant in 200. And it would mean something different in 900 too.
Våld and Ragn have very similar meanings, they are both used to signify political power and violence and violent conflict. That is as close as you are going to get. Unless you go into a specific use in a specific manuscript. And then write a paper to discuss the actual meaning in that time and place.
Shoulda put it in the title that this was a comparison video to a TV show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is not yet such a thing as a "knight" in the Carolingian period (defending Odo), that notion belogs to the middle medieval period (11th-13th centuries). The film seems to do the same thing: situating the siege of Paris in a 13th century material context instead of the 9th. Is it due to a lack of documentation of the film makers, or did they just not expect the viewers to recognize a Carolingian environment, so went for a better known one, which is a little like an insult to the viewers?
Vikings is historical fantasy, the problem is viewers who expect entertainment to be education.
@@greyfells2829 Ok but my comment is about the historical analysis in this video not the film which is by the way deplorable...
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 The viewers of the film mostly knew that things were jazzed up for the story, but there was some underlying history. The show has encouraged many to actually learn more about the history.
@@mch2359 Viewers know the story is mostly made up, but I doubt a lot know that the buildings represented are 13th century instead of 9th century. Not much progress had been made in that area since the film "Vikings" with Kirk Douglas, at least there it is was more like 12th century. But of course, it is still good, better than having Napoleonian hussars against Vikings, perhaps I am expecting too much.
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 That is interesting that the buildings were so "modern" for their time. It reminds me of movies about the old west. All the towns were dusty and faded like they were a hundred years old. Seems like Blazing Saddles was the only "western" that got it right with new towns being freshly painted. Anyway, this time of the Viking invaders is interesting, a more fact based telling of the history, like in this video, is a real treat.
A CITY?? WITH WALLS??? ON AN ISLAND??? GETTING SIGIED BY AN OUTSIDE ENEMY???
ATTACK ON TITAN REFRENCE
A ANIME GETTING REFRENCED???
JOJO REFRENCE
12:00 Gee, what a bozo
Spoiler for vikings fans leif erikson wasn't here 😅. But there's a few books about him, i have a good one with maps and all
Imagine unironically writing that 200+ men where abele to stop 30 000+ men, what a great atempt to try to discredit your own chronicle.
look at siege of rhodes or Battle of Vítkov Hill , the defenders are usually small but they have big walls
Ah yes, the concept of force multipliers and attrition are simply irrelevant. There definitely aren't many documented examples of groups outnumbered 100 to 1 resisting sieges throughout history. We are all truly humbled by your opinions; Thank you oh-wise one.
@@nemos9856 Rhodes was defended by 7000 fighting against 140 000 ottomans that ratio is 7,5 times more favorable for the defenders (as compared to what this chronicler wrote) and they still lost.
@@Bigbirdisntreal [facepalm]
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714Source: Trust me, man, I am the one who counted the Ottoman forces
I don't know about any other inaccuracies but your map of Mercia is grossly wrong
It could have been Rollo the "Bonerless", who knows.
yea
Ahhh, Paris! The City of Lice!
No, the Normans were Frankish in 11th century, the Vikings quickly assimilated into the Gallo-Frankish world. In terms of numbers, they were much inferior, and adopted the regional customs already existing before in Neustria. They had regional differences with other regions in France, but no more than the Burgundians, Picards, Angevins, etc...
They did some tests on some bones from Normans and they found that most regular Normans were atleast 25% Scandinavian. Viking settelment didnt stop with the first one, vikings from Norway, Iceland and Denmark continued to come to Normandy into the 11th century. Normandy would be literally nothing without the vikings. Who do you think they got their fierce fighting spirit from
@@NoName-qe4yx I didn't say the contrary, but there's more to the story than just DNA. All Norse things were diluted with the Gallo-Frankish world in the region of Neustria, particularly with Marriages. But also the language, trade, the art of war (they became heavy cavalrymen, and knights, where the Vikings fought on foot), castle life, regional customs, feudal politics (vassalage of the king of the Franks), culture (the Song of Roland had been heard during William's conquest), Fashion/Clothing (The Normans shaved short like the Franks), Religion (Entirely Christian), etc... The Scandinavians were massively few in number in term of ratio to maintain their culture, they quickly assimilated.
This certainly created a unique region in the Frankish kingdom, but this was the case for all regions of the Kingdom. Each had their own dialects of Old French and customs.
In the South of France, they did not even speak in Old French, but in Old Occitan. Which gave more cultural differences. It's like comparing France and Spain today. As such, the Normans were closer to the Northern Franks than of the South.
"they were much inferior"
I think you overestimate how urban and populated cities were at this time. You should look up how the population of Earth has increased the last 1000 years.
They were probably fewer in numbers in the entirety of the region of modern Normandy, however they were not comparatively "few". And this is the exact reason why they were _very_ distinct, more so than for instance the Burgundians you mention.
@@NoName-qe4yx Their sea tactics and their equipment was also _heavily_ influenced by Norse culture and traditions. That they were "not distinct" is a load of bollocks, sorry. I think Emperor Basil II and Emperor Alexios I would disagree with you there. (Edit: Not you but tibsky)
Even Sicily/South Italy was conquered by a Norman, who in turn eventually went on to invade the Byzantines themselves.
At this point, however, some of their seafaring traditions and expertise had waned and might be the main reason for their ultimate failure (at least when it did happen).
@@tibsky1396 "(they became heavy cavalrymen, and knights, where the Vikings fought on foot)" This is not true at all, their best footmen were renowned. And, again, their way of warfare and sea traditions and other things heavily influenced by the Norse.
As for your linguistic claims, I will post something I had to find from a French Medieval major to put into words my thoughts;
"Prior to the Norman Conquest, there were basically two pools of languages that would eventually become modern "English" and "French", and they were developing somewhat independently. The various regional "Englishes" of the time were descended from the Angle, Saxon, Celtic and Scandinavian languages that had migrated and invaded Britain over time. Similarly, there were two broadly related but distinct versions of "French" evolving at the time, which would eventually merge to become modern French -- "langue d'oc" and "langue d'oil" (based on how they tended pronounced the word for "yes"). At the time of the Conquest, though, there were still many different flavors of both versions being used.
There were definitely some overlaps in the various "English" and "French" languages that were spoken before the Conquest, though -- especially on both sides of the Channel, in southeastern Britain and northwestern France. That was for two reasons: historically, both sides of the channel had had strong historical Celtic and Norse influences for centuries, and in the century or two before the invasion, there had been a lot of invading, counter-invading and inter-marrying between powerful families on both sides.
By the time of the Norman Conquest, the new nobility from northeastern France insisted on speaking a dialect of French that was primarily "langue d'oil", and so the vocabulary and grammar of the English spoken at the time began to be significantly influenced by contemporaneous French from Normandy. Within the next couple of centuries, the grammar of old English not only started to standardize, but it also started to take on a lot more characteristics from Norman French. There was never any kind of wholesale takeover, though -- for cultural and political reasons, there was enormous resistance to having the older Anglo-Saxon language subsumed by the language of the conquering culture."
This is just in regards to contemporary cross-channel interactions.
A lot of your comments project the world _you_ live in; not the one *THEY* lived in.
"It's like comparing France and Spain today."
Not even _remotely._
Not historically, not linguistically, not geopolitically, not sociologically, not in _any_ way is it like France and Spain "today".
If you said "Netherlands and Germany" I _could_ give a pass.
hundreds...
lol, hunderds
thirty years war when will countie
Danegeld ( day-n g-eld) not Darny-girl
He said Geld properly
@@adidascap9441 nope
@@DreadWaaaghGaming He is a Germanspeaking person, the Geld in Danegeld is pronounced similar to the German word for money = Geld. He definetely didn't say girly
There is no y in the proper pronunciation of Dane. He also said the word geld correct, as the word is still in use in the German language. He also didn't said girl, get your ears washed.
@roberthartburg266 well Danegeld was something in place in England. Not Germany or anywhere else. So the proper pronunciation would be the English. As I said
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The glaring historical errors made the Vikings-show unwatchable. I manged only to stomach two episodes.
Had the same feeling when i first tried watching it in 2020, if you treat it like a historical series it's pretty horrible, what worked for me was just treating it like Lotr or Got just treat it like a fantasy story with historical characters and you'll enjoy it alot more.
Same here. I long for the day when we will get historical accuracy as a norm in dramatazations of the past, and not only documentaries. A real looking viking warrior with gambeson, mail and Gjermundbu style helmet. Atleast one can dream. 😅😭
It's not a historical documentation either.
It's tries to make itself seem historical though.. that's an issue@@bayramaktas4135
Yes it was a very weak show.