Why Does Seiko Not Use Their Best Budget Quartz Movement?
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- What's happening good people, bit of a different video today, but I thought I'd talk about Seikos best budget quartz movement and why they don't use it in their own watches. Well my theory that is. Thanks
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Why Does Seiko Not Use Their Best Budget Quartz Movement?
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Hey guys, here is my theory as to why Seiko perhaps don't use their best budget quartz movement. Keep in mind this is speculation and again is a theory. But it makes sense if you think about it. Do you think I'm right?
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I think that the DATE & TIME on this CASIO AE1200 watch should be a larger size. The DATE and TIME on the CASIO model W96H-1BV is a much larger size. I can see the TIME on it easily from 1 meter away !
The CASIO W96H-1BV is my favorite digital watch because it shows the TIME, DATE, DAY and YEAR all on the face without having to push any buttons for selection. You look at this watch and it shows everything all at once.... though the CASIO AE1200 watch is better when traveling to different countries.
What about VH68 movement , is it the same sweep as VH31 ? I have a VH64 with a sweep.
Agreed, they probably don't want to cannibalize their own sales. Fortunately they do sell the movements to other companies so enthusiasts can enjoy them!
Thanks Eve and that's true, it is great they're open to sharing their movements and well I can imagine it's quite lucrative for them too. Appreciate you watching
Very reasonable! I love quartz! I love that a quartz watch is accurate and always ready. Having to swap the battery every 3-5 years is a compromise I'm happy to make! I wish Seiko gave us more quartz options. I'd even pay the same price for a quality quartz movement as for an automatic. I want my watches to be accurate and always ready.
That does make sense, thanks for providing this video. I was wondering the same about thia movement - and I have a business degree, lol. I've recently got my first mechaquartz VH31 in a Geckota and like it, probably will soon get another one in an Aliexpress incarnation similar to the one shown in your vid.
Agreed. The one beat per second quartz remains the standard simply to differentiate the high end stuff. Watch manufacturers who offer both a mechanical version and a quartz version need to make the quartz version feel "cheap".
I love my Pagani with the VH31, if Seiko doesn't use them more microbrands should.
I agree, they do need to work around the battery life though. Thanks
Great video, I’m always interested to learn about movements.
Thanks mate, got some coming up soon too.
Great video and a good question.
Glad you enjoyed it mate and thank you
I think you are 100% right. I like automatics but it’s a nuisance having to correct the time. If I could buy a Seiko with the VH31 movement I would prefer it to buying a mechanical or a quartz version.
If you can get a simple quartz watch, you could possibly swap it out
I agree with your opinion mate. I do believe, that better accuracy and a smoother sweep with these sweeping quartz movements are possible, may they have to make the batteries a bit bigger, obviously they come at the cost of thickness and battery life. But if they have done that obviously for an average customer even the highly regarded Spring Dive and other automatic movements will be a tough cookie. Well that's the case with Seiko. What surprises me is that why other true electronic watch makers like Casio are not interested in the R & D of these movements. They have already used sweeping quartz movements in their watches, even though its a borrowed one from Seiko, why they are focused only on digital movements?
That's probably the biggest downside of the movement and I have an idea on how to fix it. Would be cool to see casios with something similar as well. A lot of people said they should combine it with their solar technology
I think Citizen have one too and it sweeps like a Grand Seiko. I believe Bulova was using that movement for their precisionist and discountinued accutron.
Very plausible theory Wes. It makes sense from Seiko's point of view. I still don't get why this movement is not used more broadly and why you would ever use a single tick quartz movement when you could use this. Also why does Seiko not produce a higher end sweeping quartz for use in their higher end pieces? Perhaps they could engineer a finer sweep for those pieces?
Thanks mate and it's a challenge, the battery size can only provide so much power for so long, that's why the spring drive movements are so expensive. But I'm sure there are ways to get around it as I'd love to see this movement more widely adopted. Thanks
Bulova uses a high beat sweeping hand quartz movement but it’s hard to find because some just spec them as regular quartz and don’t differentiate them
That could be the main reason.
Another possible thing that I can think of, is that with current strategy, they can secure 2 sustainable market : the watch market, and the movement market (through b2b model).
That's a great point mate, I think you could be right there. Thanks
I ordered the green one last week.. it was between this or the 35mm green tissot prx but the prx seem to blingy and much more expensive so I chose this escapement time that has a unique movement instead..
Its a great choice for sure, hope you enjoy it.
I must be missing something! I wish I could clip out this quote (around 8:05), "Why would anybody buy an automatic, that is not as accurate . . ." That is exactly what I can't figure out! Quartz watches are accurate AND THINNER! (which is all I really care about--accurate and thin). That's why I've bought five of the SUR watches from Seiko. I'm so happy with them! Thanks so much for this very interesting video.
Don't get me wrong, I love a good automatic, but they can't compete with the grab and go nature of a quartz. The SUR range is great as well, some really good stuff. Cheers
@@WesWatchRoom Smart phone is even more accurate. So why anybody would by the quartz watch?
@@alisastebuklu8618 You have to pull the smart phone out of your pocket to look at the time, like my Great-Grandpa with his pocket watch.
A wristwatch is always there.
I have a cheap Escapement Time with VH31, and it is much more accurate than my two Seikos with 7T62 movements. I set my Escapement time in late October, and it is still dead on time. By far my best quartz movement. My second best is 5 seconds off since late October.
Lots of Aliexpress watches have this movement.
would love to see this movement on better designed seiko 5 line up.
wonder if it can be placed into it?
That would be awesome to see, not sure if seiko would do that though. Thanks
Very interesting!
Thanks for watching mate, I really appreciate it.
@@WesWatchRoom of course :)
@@MirrlyonTime have a great day mate
Awesome topic mate and why would seiko use a lesser rate quartz movement in their watches when they could sell them like the NH series and make profit 📈 nothing really wrong with the movement just need to improve it for a longer battery life
Agree mate, and yeah I've actually had an idea for that, so hopefully I can get it to work. Thanks for watching and for the support
@@WesWatchRoom that's be awesome if you could make that happen for future video I'd watch
Totally 👍
Thanks 👍
Interesting 👍 . I was under the impression that quartz movements use the single tick to conserve battery power. I had assumed four smaller movement a second uses more energy so reduces battery life. Does anyone know how long Escapement Time batteries last?
About 2 years.
@@Shri_V That seems OK 👍
@V is spot on, the battery life isn't the best but I'm sure there are ways to improve that. Thanks for watching
@@WesWatchRoom Its worth it for the sweep. 2 years is anyway a good amount of time. Now if only someone makes a way to power it using solar ...
@@Shri_V agree mate, a solar would be perfect
Interesting,
Appreciate you watching mate
Low end budget movt's are PC32's as found in many Lorus and Pulsar's, next level up is VX42-43's again found in many budget Lorus and Pulsar's. I have seen elsewhere that its suspected the 31 is basically the timekeeping side of a VK63 mecaquartz chrono. I seem to remember Seiko used these in their pricier sub brands Wired and J Springs and maybe Alba AKA. The VX4x are far far cheaper to produce and about as accurate albeit with the ticking motion of the second, the 31 has a jewel count where the 43 has zero jewels, zero jewels means more profit all round lol
Have you seen 5S21 movement? That thing beat VH31 imho
Of course it is also very hard to find nowadays😢😅
5s21 & 5s42 are the best by far! They need to bring them back.
Can you imagine if they combine this tech with their solar tech?
That would be the ultimate quartz imo. Thanks
I have mec. and Quartz watches, but the VH31 has a battery life of 2 years... which I don't want. I really don't mind the stepping of a standard quartz movement.
They use the 6N52 now which is better.
Do you have a link to what microbrands use the VH31? Many thanks.
Dont think I've seen any micros use this movement to be honest.
@Wes' Watch Room Loads do like Escapement, Chameri, steeldive, Qimei to name a few. I was hoping there was a site that lists all. Thanks anyway.
@@roadgent7921 Any non-chinese brand ?
it would be great if this movement combine with solar. it would be great!
100% mate, that would be a game changer
@@WesWatchRoom but sadly, like you said... they don't want to kill their own luxury line. :(
@@zamSEG exactly mate, they probably wouldn't sell as good imo. Thanks for watching
@@WesWatchRoom you're most welcome sir. have a great day.
@@zamSEG thank you and same to you
The Bulova UHF Quartz watch in the precisionist range has a beat rate of 16. The only watch that is smoother on the sweep is the Grand Seiko.
nothing smoother than the BULOVA 262
If only they didn't make their watches so obnoxiously large (lug to lug).
the jetstar and accutron 2 are nice not large@@hb9145
most people that buy a quartz watches are looking for something that looks good on the wrist and I doubt the average buyer really cares about the movement.
That's a great point too, but I think if you explained the pros and cons most consumers would sway towards quartz because of their simplicity. But you do make a valid point. Thanks
Sweep is gilding the lily but better than the tick
Hi has anyone got the black faced version, is it easy to read the hands. I’m torn between the white and black
With the hands being high polished it would be fine in the day, but low light or dark and you'd have an issue.
How is your battery life on that one?
A further question , do Seiko use the Nh35 in any of their own watches or do they just sell them for other brands to use ?
They don't use the nh35 but they use the 4r35 which is basically the same thing. Thanks
Is this movement used in any other Ali watches?
Yes a few I believe. There's a pilots watch from steeldive and others too, just don't recall them off the top of my head
I think they don't use it due to the lack of date. Not much Seiko releases are no date.
so does a 28,800 bph quartz exist? I wouldn’t mind swapping out the battery once (or even twice a year)!
I wonder that too. Think it would be worth changing the battery more often to get an even nicer sweep.
@@LillJohn90 Too bad we can’t get our question answered
i know something about watches but i wear them 100% for fashion not for craftsmanship or movements. My two cents is, from the basic person perspective, is the Pressage is entirely about the dial. Thus the only way you compete with it with most people is to offer the same level of dial. So i don't care what automatic movement you put in another watch. If it ain't got a dial as good as pressage it's not competition. thus i'm not sure i agree with you that it's actual competition. Now yes, offer a pressage with an automatic that's half the price and people will buy the half price one and not care cause normal people wouldn't care it's an automatic.
I need your help. Would anyone have a recommendation for a watch? It should have a diameter of 35-38mm and a maximum of 45mm lug to lug, have sapphire glass, 5-10bar, max. 10mm high and a quartz movement or solar with at least 5 years battery life. In terms of price, I imagine around €300. Visually, it should be sporty but also minimalistic. optics such as a gs 263 or rolex op / explorer1 or an omega aqua terra or something in the direction of the Bauhaus style. I hope for a few suggestions. (I already have a tissot prx35 and junghans milano solar would be an option, but maybe you can think of something else.
Greetings from Germany
I reviewed this seiko a while ago might be worth a look. It's a little bit smart casual but with a different strap it could look sporty th-cam.com/video/eSH5hDDY0pM/w-d-xo.html
@@WesWatchRoom its a very nice Watch, the only downsite is, That is has only a battery Life of 3 years
@@fredsoldi9006 that is a bit of a downer. I think they do something similar but with a solar movement. Might be worth looking into
This movement use 2 year battery since manufacturig date ( not sale date).This is not very convenient, given the prevalence of solar movements.
Agree, the battery life does need working on. Thanks for watching
You can easily change your own battery. It's not a big inconvenience.
you are likely right. seiko just doesnt want to shoot itself in the foot so to speak
Skmei 0992 + sunon sp28d3 👌👌👌
What model is this its lovely?
Escapement time king seiko homage in 35(36)mm from aliexpress. There's also a 40mm version.
@alexandru | is spot on, if you're interested there's a link in the description for it. Thanks for watching
@@lulul thanks for helping out mate
A steel bracelet would look nice on it
@@binyard1972 it would yeah, might be tricky to find one though
Pagani design pd1780 👍
What's the name of the movement
VH31. It's very accurate.
I'd say it is inside company politics like how Pontiac and Saturn died but Buick lived. Perhaps the guy who designed the thing got fired.
Not sure to be fair, but it seems a shame we don't get seikos with it.
They didn't even use a mecha quartz in their $675 Speedtimer reissue. Like seriously guys? 🙄 Thanks Wes! (Edit: not sure if it was because it's solar?)
Ikr, imagine a solar mecha quartz, that would next level. But I think you're right they don't make one, I think they should though. Cheers mate
Cannot understand why Seiko do not use this movement. I also cannot understand why all the Japanese manufacturers keep their best watches for the domestic market only.
I know, it's very annoying, least you can import the domestic stuff, just at a premium. Cheers
They probably create it to sell~ it's the same thing like Samsung buying parts from Sony to create their electronics
That could likely be the main reason, appreciate you watching
Battery life? The need to change every two years may not be what Seiko wants to be hassled about by their customers.
Yeah that is it's biggest issue, but I think there might be a way around that. Thanks for watching
It's still cheaper than getting an automatic/mechanical watch serviced. If you're an enthusiast you can invest in a case back opener and replace batteries yourself. 371s which are SR920SW equivalents are pretty cheap (used to be $5 at Ace but has since gone up to $ 8) and they come in 2s.
@@porschephile2k3 very true, they are cheaper to maintain for sure.
@@porschephile2k3 Agreed, but for those who can't, they will blame Seiko for the 'frequent' dead batteries. Seiko can just avoid this by not offering this movement in their watches. A solar version would be great. 4 ticks, no battery replacement and accurate.
@@jims4539 I've seen more people complain about the power reserve on Seiko 5s on Amazon. If anything, Seiko needs to retire the 7S26 or update them with a manual winding mechanism. I'm not sure if that would be the 4R series of movements, but a cheaper 7S series of movements with manual winding would surely solve that problem.
I agree a solar version of VH31 would be great, I commented on that here too.
Pressage is well below Mid-Range. It's the opposite end of a Grand Seiko. I've owned both. Miss my GS, couldn't care less about the Crappy Pressage Tokyo Dawn or any Cocktail Crap. Keep away from Pressage
Thanks for the info
dolce +-10 per y
Nonsense. They could put it in the presage and charge £500. The NH 35 in the presage is a very cheap basic movment
seiko dolce
It's beacause they want to earn much more money, so I think mechanical watches are overrated than those really are, thanks to people's pretentiousness.
I have to say, a little I disagree with your conclusion as why Seiko don't use this movement. While there's definitely room in my collection for a watch with a quartz movement like this the vast majority of my collection are automatic watches for a certain reason and that's not just the sweeping second hand. So even if Seiko used this movement they would still sell a lot of automatic watches.
No doubt, especially from fans, I was more referring to those that perhaps aren't as deep into the hobby and just want a nice watch but don't care for an automatic and perhaps don't want what an automatic offers. Because we have to remember that not all people who buy watches are enthusiasts.
Why dont you say "mechanical" ? not all mechanical watches are "Automatics" :)
I have it in the Proxima, it's fantastic. All quartz could tick at 10x a second. It's down to battery life..
If the quartz movement is properly designed around a larger battery it's a non issue. Precisionists get something like 2 years out of a CR1620 cell.
This is something that makes me buy a Bulova or a Citizen instead of a Seiko. I'm going to buy the high frequency quartz that gives me better shock resistance, yearly accuracy in seconds, and a sweeping seconds hand instead of the Seiko if they insist on gimping their high quality offerings to prop up an ancient technology.
Limiting your own technology is something that sounds good to business majors and may improve sales in the short term but it is disastrous in the long run. They're letting their rivals release a mid range watch that is competitive with their grand seiko quartz movements.
People who are not interested in a mechanical watch should not be pushed towards buying them. They should be given watches that last them through 20 years of constant use and which are never noticeably inaccurate.
I agree with some points here, but in my opinion, this is no rival to anything done by grand seiko. Even if you managed to address the issues this movement has it doesn't come close to the technology in them. And I think grand seiko are a watch enthusiasts watch and the average consumer with that sort of money probably would look elsewhere.
Agree that bulova has that sweeping quartz too which I'm trying to get ahold of because it looks amazing. I appreciate your comments and for watching. It's always great to hear a different perspective
@@WesWatchRoom The problem with bulova is their ugly designs. Put the 262hz movement in a well designed and clean dial looking dial/case and they'll knock it out of the park. The trade off is again battery life, I think the precisionist line has a single year of battery life for the smooth sweep.
@@Shri_V to be honest I know of the movement but I haven't seen any watches (in person) with one. I still would like to though and a nice dress watch with one and that would be amazing.
@@Shri_V If a manufacturer could put an UHF movement on a solar powered watch it would be perfect. It's annoying to see Citizen being heavily into two really good innovations here and not combining them, and until then it looks like the G-shock with radio sync + tough solar has an edge. But overall I really want manufacturers to bet more on advanced quartz movements than trying to double down on automatics, since having a movement that is good enough to not need radio sync is very useful.
Yes, automatics are cool, but so is having a watch that is accurate enough to be in sync with my work's outlook. If getting an automatic comes at the cost of that, it should be marketed at mechanical watch enthusiasts only instead of being branded as a high end feature even when this comes at the cost of the mass market.
Then I suppose there is the smartwatch market which just trains users to recharge their watches and which syncs its time to the local network time, and where watch faces can be set to have a continuous sweep fairly easily, but of course that isn't with a physical seconds hand and I would see that as a separate market.
I an switching to automatics as quartz watches are fucking not environment friendly, same time saves in battery cell cost
I purchased a seiko,orient and certina power matic,enjoy them daily
That's a great point, I suppose there is solar too but autos are definitely more friendly yes
You do know there are places to take the batteries for recycling? No one said you had to just throw the dead ones in the trash.
if you were serious about the environment you would not be buying any new watches. you would go for a 2nd hand watch and keep it forever....
Seiko/TMI/Hattori = LOVE them!
You DARE show a Miyota???? BOOOOHHH!!!! BOOOOHHH!!!! BOOOOHHH!!!!
The highest failure rate of all watches I bought in the last 40 years were by Citizen/Miyota! That pesky brand is only propped up by fanboys! Over a dozen bought, 2 left! JUNK! NEVER again will I buy Miyota/Citizen anything!
It's a pretty mid movement to be honest
Bulova quartz is even better but they have like the worst design ever lol
you’re telling me you dont like having 262KHZ stamped on every dial?!
Unfortunately the sweeping seconds hand shortens the battery life on what is otherwise an unremarkable quartz movement. For those of us who prefer quartz to mechanical movements, the ticking seconds hand is not a negative, but rather a signal that we are wearing something that is more accurate and durable than any mechanical. Reduced battery life, however, is not wanted.
Hey , have you ever done your homework? You can't compare a quartz with an automatic, they are both totally different types of watch. Quartz are electrical, automatic , mechanical, and have you ever seen a Seiko Elnix, or Majesta?? They both have sweeping second hands and they are from years ago. Why worry about the sweeping second hand? Seiko chronograph quartz have a sweeping second hand. I don't understand your argument.
It's not a very refined movement and Seiko isn't interested in this type of movement in their watches - simple as that. The sweep isn't that good either.
For straight 4 agonising minutes you asked multiple times Why!? With no answer...
The point of the video was to get your input as well as provide my own
@@WesWatchRoom A "point" you tried to make, is with a very very bad and annoying approach. Keep that in mind for the futute.
thanks for the feedback