Ciara Discovers Her Ancestors' Hidden Relationship | Finding Your Roots | PBS
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DNA research helps Ciara Harris discover one of her biological ancestors was not who the records show, and that a relationship must have occurred between this mystery man and her great-great grandmother.
Ciara is a Grammy Award winning singer/songwriter, entrepreneur, and philanthropist. During her 20-year career, she has sold over 23 million records and 22 million singles worldwide, including chart-topping hits “Goodies,” “Ride,” “Oh,” “1, 2 Step,” “I Bet,” and “Level Up.”
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Shid y’all talking about if she had a choice, her husband barely had a choice to confront him and protect her if it was assault. Very little changed between slavery and sharecropping. May that woman’s soul rest in peace ♥️
Or maybe she wanted it or just complied because of the power dynamic
I actually find it offensive the way they're trivializing what was very likely SA of a BW at a time when BP (especially BW) barely had any rights with this love is love nonsense. It's sick.
They love ⚪️ then as they do now
like he said 'desire is color blind' Affairs like this happened all the time.
@@thedayaftertomorrow9502 Oh I'm almost certain that it was SA. SA of sharecropper's wives by WM was one of the most common forms at the time. Acknowledging that doesn't mesh with the agenda apparently.
This made me very sad. I doubt it was consensual. The timeline alone speaks volumes. The men were out in the field practically every day, all day. It would be easy for a man to assault a lone woman (without basic human rights) and get away with it.💔
Agreed. Especially if that man had power.
💔
This is exactly the reason you will never hear me (a white woman) claim to be Cherokee in any way. My Native American ancestor was a Cherokee woman from the Kansas/Oklahoma area. The problem is that my ancestor dates to around the time of the Trail of Tears.
This was what I thought immediately.
This was what I thought immediately.
The fact that they’re making it seem like an affair when he said, the 2 men were in on deceiving the husband in order to take advantage of his wife is wild. This is why some people stay in a world of delusion
When did he say that ? I didnt hear that part
@@ndo533 listen to it again
upsetting
@@ndo533I think they are referring to the part where Walker Head and Whit Torbet were involved in why the husband Nathan was working 80 miles away from home. If Emily stayed back in the other county then she was alone more which could have been unsafe and if she went with Nathan to Butts county then she was closer to Walker, which could also have been unsafe. I know farm workers today have terrible problems with living on farms or nearby accommodations. I can't imagine it being better in the 1800s.
there are a number of possibilities. some worse than others
Ciara saying she believes it was consensual makes me think she didn’t understand what he said initially, is delusional, or lying for the cameras. Girl what?!
Exactly!!
Sometime we cant conceive the magnitudes of a thing so we only see it as it would be Lively in the present
In her eyes you could see that she wasn't following what was being laid out before her.
@@taliadavis4297I can relate to this.
My Husband strongly believes his Maternal Great-GrandParents were of consensual circumstances.
And, yet, in terms of my Paternal lineage particularly of my Native x German side, I highly think NOT.
She looked confused the majority of the time. You could tell she didn't fully understand the terminology he was using. Her face said she couldn't keep up with what's actually going on.
That is a troubling conclusion. I don't believe this was consensual. Black women had no agency at that time.
What black women DID have back then...which every woman has always had...is desire and the ability to sneak around. Ever hear of the Creoles? Ever hear of Puerto Rico and DR? Are you arguing that r--pe was the cause of all these situations? Yall need to study history. You watch one or two race movies and you make these silly claims.
@@writehandproductions1914Creoles and Carribeans were brought up in South European culture which promoted the idea of black women making white grandchildren
it was 1904 so black people were free. Who knows what really happened
@@writehandproductions1914Or the white dude could have been jealous of the black man who he was taught he was better than based on the fact his white father owned this other man’s family. Like don’t be dense yourself. Your modern day issues with Black women doesn’t make r*pe in 1904 impossible. If she willingly slept with that man and “loved him”, her son would’ve been aware of his paternity. Yea there are women who slept with men to get ahead but there were few relationships between Black women and white men where they could be equals prior to civil rights. History books can tell you that too.
At that time, all Black women would have been free citizens. Additional factors that would limit or expand agency would be their class status, religion, region they lived in and education.
Uncovering family history is a journey in itself
This is very true. I've always said that I wanted to delve deeper into my family history. I've hit a road block and always wondered how much it would cost to use a genealogist for help.
@@lovejones0686 I hit several road blocks
Be careful what you ask for. We all want to know our family history but the truth can be dark.
As a Boricua, of Taino descent, I sadly agree
Or, in this case, white.
For some People very "DARK" indeed.
Absolutely 💕
Dark?
There is no way of knowing if it was consensual or if he sexually assaulted her
It was most likely consensual
@@elliottoju495*likely not consensual.
Its likely that it was coerced consensual.
Exactly, she was a little to quick to accuse her ancestor of adultery for me.
That’s what I think and is factual in many cases
I feel like both of them tried to put lipstick on a pig with this situation. Hopefully the full episode will provide more context because I don’t understand how they came to the conclusion that the affair was consensual 🤷🏽♀️
Exactly!!!
I agree! It's fairytale thinking
And then with Nathan accepting the child as his own because he DEFINITELY knew…it gives more reason to believe it was bad circumstances. How long did he stay farming over there
She seems extremely niave…!
How could they not think that walkers family was the former owners of Nathan family given that they had the same name.
It is very dangerous to assume that BW had that level of agency to consent. Dr. Gates loves a we are the world moment🤦🏾♀️
He can’t say that if he doesn’t have any proof, use your head fr.
@@TQO81 I don't understand what you're referring to or your aggressive tone (use your head).
It's disrespectful.
@@TQO81you literally can as there was a clear power imbalance during the time
And he’s a know liar remember when he did Ben Affleck
Cici's reactions 😂😂😂" hm hm hm hmmm"
That tickled me.😂😂😂
I felt that😂❤
Her participation was probably mandatory but she knows better.
I know, right? She reminded me of the women in my family. I love her…
The problem with both Ciara and the host saying this was consensual is that Black ppl did not have agency during that time, nor were the laws on their side. So, even if it was technically consensual, it still wouldn't be consensual the same way that a boss having an affair with one of his lower level workers isn't consensual. There is a power differential that doesn't allow either person to be on the same level when it comes to agency.
thank you! this!
He shouldn't have even uttered that out of his mouth.
My thoughts exactly! His question very much gave “leading the witness” 🙄
Of course black people had agency in the early 1900s. They didn't have agency when they were enslaved, but slavery was abolished in 1865. Black people in early 1900s Georgia were oppressed under white supremacy and Jim Crow laws, but being oppressed is not the same as not having agency. It was also the same time period as George Washington Carver and W. E. B. Dubois. Historically black colleges and universities grew after the Civil War, with one in Atlanta starting in 1865 and by 1903 there were eight in Georgia. I do agree with the rest of what you wrote. If it was an affair it probably wasn't consensual, or it could have been r@pe (which I think is most likely). Extramarital affairs were rare in the South during that time period, especially interracial ones, making one between them unlikely.
Thank you @@Frodojack it would have been 1904 a long way from slavery
Exactly.
I know she could not really think that her great-grandmother had a choice or she was ok with it.
Why assume that? You can only be attracted to someone who looks just like you? Y'all are so odd.
@@sabrinashelton1997Did you see the timeline.. we all know what was happening back then. It’s not a mystery. I’ve noticed a pattern with people who think you. You probably think Jim Crow didn’t exist.
Oooh, Jim Crow, love him. Big fan, big fan. @@troywest1724
@@ABCDE.F.U. The probability is that she was SA'd. I don't know why people like you don't understand that downplaying our history only breeds more resentment.
@@ABCDE.F.U. Probably because you're lying and clearly no nothing about your supposed history. Type "A Georgia Sharecropper’s Story of Forced Labor ca. 1900" so you can learn about the high rate of SA among sharecropper's wives.
I highly doubt it was consensual! Men came and took what they wanted back then I’m shocked she didn’t give her great great grandmother the benefit of the doubt
She’s programmed with misogynoir
It's disrespectful and embarrassing. They know how to pick them for these shows.
Playing devil’s advocate is much more common than giving Black women the benefit of the doubt unfortunately
What? Her white great great grandfather was born 1 year before slavery was abolished, so he didn't grow up around slavery. He grew up during Reconstruction period which was a prosperous time for blacks. Is it that hard for you to conceive that maybe she had an affair?
@@mul7777You really believe that a year made a huge difference in how black people were viewed and treated????
You believe everything changed overnight? Mentalities??
You believe that most black people were prosperous during reconstruction???
You really do not know history at all.
Black people were “free” but it took another 100 years before they would receive rights!! And even after that they were mistreated.
Black people were being attacked and lynched after enslavement. Their homes were burned. They were terrorized daily.
And black women had NO voice. Even if “consensual” it may have been survival.
Yes, a love story is a possibility but we don’t know that and neither does Dr. Gates or Ciara.
If she wanted to be impartial, she should’ve just said … I really don’t know
Likely she was assaulted. Nathan probably knew that baby wasnt his cuz
And he probably knew exactly who the daddy was considering they grew up together. I’m saddened that Dr Gates CHOSE to simplify the relationship.
Y’all reaching
That was very common
Obviously. The baby was biracial lol
Seems to me that yt man FOLLOWED them there because Nathan and his wife had already moved.
As much as I NEED to believe the event was consensual……….😢 I’m tired of this pain.
🫂
I don't think that was love. In my personal opinion, they weren't that far off from the ending of “The Peculiar Institution,” and many southern whites still felt they had a right to the bodies of African-decent blacks.
Delusional watching too many reruns of roots
You seem delulu😂
@@Love_Daisys You are ignorant of history or likely covering up as is customary with those of your ilk.
Back then married or not if a white man saw a black woman that he wanted he just have arranged or just took her After all she was someone's wife And how did her husband felt 😮😮😮😮😮
Or maybe she wanted it too.
@@holeefuk413Highly doubt that… especially with the history of those from Western Europe.
Not just any white man. But certainly ones in charge.
@@holeefuk413NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT👀
@@troywest1724no real black woman who loves herself wants a white man… but I think a white man can win over her heart
Family ancestry can be a mystery or it can be revealing of some hidden truth. This show and their research are amazing.
Ummmmm ...
Trust me on this: THAT was NOT a "consensual" relationship!!
Lol stickin to the script you are
😄 I know you want to believe the Hollywood version of reality. What percent of rapes are White on black per DOJ statistics? Like 0.0, but you want to believe that back then it was 100%. yeah, right
It's like the Caribbean song,"Your daddy not you daddy but your dad don't know."
Whats funny to me is all these very light skinned ppl are surprised when they find a white ancestor.
You think she’s very light skin
She’s light enough to have suspected a white ancestor.
Being light skinned doesn’t always equate to having white ancestry just like being dark skinned doesn’t mean you don’t have white ancestry
@@MakeWay4CJ most of us have a few
What's funny to me is all of these white people who don't know that their ancient ancestors are from Africa.
Ciara looking like why you putting all my family business out here like this
Ciara has a beautiful speaking voice and she’s beautiful! I’ve always been such a fan and loved her music but I’ve never heard her speaking voice just singing
I doubt this was consensual.
This entire comments section doubts it, too 💯
@@HabitualLoverRiiiight, because we all know it’s “impossible” for a sister to find a YT man attractive.
@@memcrew1Do you think that the wife was so spiteful of her husband that she would lay with his former owner? Do you think that the husband couldn't tell that the child wasn't mixed race?
Oh the drama… well… we don’t know what happen, but we can probably assume Nathan knew
Right
Ancestry is deep to it core. We’re going through our family tree now five generations back took us back as a black family to 1797 our white family members fifth generation great grandmother and their 10 children is crazy. One of those children was the father of my great grandmother.
So happy Ciara is learning about her family
The narrator's presentation style is so great for this show, always slow and emphatic
Very impressive: intelligent and empathetic.
You can tell immediately what Ciara was thinking with that side eye !
"Desire is colour blind" is a wild statement.
These white men back then were going from one black woman to another. Consenual or not it was done with impunity.
I think I was SA
There is no way that was consensual, I wish PBS pushed back on that... There are a lot of African American descendants from SA victims, let's not revise history
I see u these things and feel gracious to know that i knew ppl that were alive during that time. My great great grandmother was born in 1905 or 1906. She passed at 106 years old and I was maybe 15 at the time. Crazy.
Right?!
Our ancestors were breathing in the same air as so many historically influential people😮😮
It blows my mind too
I doubt it was consensual. I am not sure what made them think it was? 🤔
She was saying that to save face.
It's a narrative push.
❤Exacly totally agreeing here 😮
@@zeroturn7091😅
The same exact thing happened to my great great grandmother , and my family was from Guyana so imagine all over the world in places that were colonized this happened more than we know.
Walter is the Husband of my 6th Cousin twice removed - Meaning Sierra and I are like 8th 9th cousins - Mind blowing ❤❤
That is mind blowing but cool.So she would be your cousin in law to the 8 power is what your saying? 😂😂😂
wow. really love this show, especially when they dig into african american participants lineage
I would love to do one of these on my family. My family's roots are a jumble mess.
She said the congenial answer. Love Ci ci for being quick on her feet.
Ohh her reaction definitely seemed tempered for tv.😂 i think i need to see that full episode.
That's an interesting conclusion. 🤔
Does PBS or an affiliate company provide ancestry services/findings for general public. If so, what is the cost ans process?
they no longer prompt a single company and shy away from prompting any company, but more than likely they are using ancestry because it has the biggest database of people and has record connections.
Girl, it's a scam. This show uses celebrity to lure you into their "database" where they can tell you that your ancestors are from Africa or anywhere else but right here on Turtle Island (Americas) . They make up stories to give you some sort of legitimacy when it's a slant to keep the indigenous people asleep and never knowing themselves or their true power. The visuals are very clever, but they aren't TRUE 80% of the time. Whatever you can collect ON YOUR OWN (See The Research Guy - he can help too) is more factual and even these days since more of us are looking they're making it more expensive to research and less accessible.
Ciara is absolutely stunning
Amazing bob Evan
I’m from Monroe County ga!!!!!!
Wouldn’t it be beautiful if this time and money was spent on those people- like adoptees- who need a sense of their beginnings? I love this series, but it would be lovely if this energy was directed to those who could be healed through this information. ❤
This is a beautiful idea! Find a way to present it
I am one of those descendants. 😢
It has been a hard journey even through Ancestry.
I have not been able to find any, as they say hints, of anyone but possible 3rd cousins.
No 1st. And No 2nd cousins only two 3rd cousins on my link
The matches then jump to 5th cousins and a lot of 6th-8th cousins 😮
It makes you wonder what really happened to my grandparents they are not telling us?
I did notice a lot of name changes coming to America.
Black Americans who descended from slavery deserve the time and money to trace the lineage. They are being healed through this information. 🙄
@@mstaz1688 I agree. My point is more about the celebrities - again, I love the series, just saying they could expand a little into that area, or some series coul.
There's a British show with this premise called Long Lost Family. A tear-jerker every time!
Awesome as always. 😘
I noticed something: "You're Still the One." By Shania Twain. 😘
So cool
Sharecropping no that was still slavery and I'm pretty sure it wasn't consensual
Been waiting for this to be uploaded... Thank you PBS!! #Ciara
In shock she thinks it was consensual! Smh
because the truth might be too much for her.
She doesn’t seem to bright and this is why you probably don’t see her doing to many interviews just dancing around and making TikToks.
Smh just heartbreaking 💔
No one knows!
@@celticmulato2609 spoken like someone who doesn't understand the institution of slavery. If she did say no, it wouldn't matter.
When she said Walker, I was expecting to hear "Texas Ranger"
Shes beautiful ❤
Ciara i know you don't really think that was consensual 🙄
It was all in the reactions her eyes say it all 😂😂😂😂😂
She has the same candance as Jlo. Even when speaking she seems like she is performing an act. And the end just proved it
Love is love? 😢
People in the comment section think they’re historians. We will never know if the relationship was consensual or not. Are we to assume that they only had one encounter?
At the end of the day, the most important thing is that Ciara knows who her ancestors are.
Btw we all have 16 great great grand parents. 8 great great grandmothers and 8 great great grand fathers... They usually only highlight one or two... By the time you hit the 10th generation u have over 2000 ancestors in your family line.
What??!! Love is love! Everyone knows it was not consensual in 1902! Let’s just pretend they were in love. 🤦🏽♀️
We do not know that. You are assuming.
Not every S$xual relationship was forced back then, lots of IR couples had their affair kept secret .
Maybe she was a gold digger like today.
This episode broke my heart…
I need this just for family still alive😢..don't know where or who they are
Let's be honest this is just AMAZING!!!! WOW!
I've heard stories and I can remember when my family had a reunion and I discovered that I had a cousin in North Carolina with my mom's exact name, I called her and explained to her who I was, and she said yes I've heard we have A LOT of family in North Alabama.... I then started hearing that I had white relatives that are kin to me!
You just never know!
How ironic that D. Jeter is her cousin & her husband, Russell was wearing My NY❤🗽🏙💙Yankee's Uniform! I always had a feeling her family was frome here & not ATL originally. Great Show, Congrats on 10 Seasons Professor Gates. Brooklyn Love, From My Family 💘🗽🏙🇺🇸🇯🇲🏴🇮🇪🇹🇹🇮🇳🇵🇦🇨🇦🇬🇧💙❤🖤💛💚🧡
Makes sense
She know what it really was...dont play ma'am.
She has to play nice. This was mandatory for her to do, NOT selective. They have to reach every generation who doubts otherwise.
This is crazy 😱 you just never know the truth unless you search it.
There was also a Walter Lafayette Head in Monroe Georgia at the time who married Amanda E James in 1889 but one of the census records have these two as being Black. Walker L Head married Maude L in 1888. On the 1900 Census, they had 5 children aged 1 to 9 years. Nathan Head married Emily Redding and on the 1910 Census, they had 7 children, Willie was the 3rd youngest. So both parents were married with a number of children.
The timing makes it very clear what was happening here.
Ow The Drama😅😅 The Music Background is killing me
We are in the same question about my grandpa and uncle. We know that their siblings look nothing like them . Their parents and 4 other siblings look just like their parents. On an ancestry there are know one with the last name of our grandfathers last name or dna related. But a relative of the man that shows as a cousin of the man that is dna cousin of ours .
Almost all of us have White ancestry but it’s incredible she was able to find out her great, great grandfather’s name!
Wow
Really it's incredible to know a great great grandpa's name? I know my 10 times great grand parent's names.
Maybe 75%. They realized the value of the "one drop" rule.
❤❤❤❤ Ciara
why they got CC in the thumbnail like that?! lol
You can’t control love but you can control how you act. Falling in love with someone else is not an excuse for cheating
Consensual? I doubt it
Right
I want to try this
I bet my life it wasnt consensual
SHAME ON GATES BECAUSE HE KNOWS full well that, STATISTICALLY, it wasn't consensual! he can be so grotesque sometimes. why even ask the question out loud? why does he play dumb like that??
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I think he asked to see what she would say. But the problem I have with that is he agreed with her and didn't counteract with stats & probability of the reality of the times
The thumbnail summarizes this clip perfectly. Should have been Cici’s response to Gates’ disgusting whitewashing of history: whatchu say? Ugh!
Definitely to keep the “optics” clear and transparent … I wonder who the majority of the audience is that watches this show?!? If it’s not a predominantly melanated audience, maybe that’s why he asked the way he did …
He doesn't want to be cancelled,so at times he pretends to be ignorant
This why i don't wanna know i have this feeling ima find out some stuff im never gonna he ready for
Interesting stuff...thats some ancestral tea right there
She just made me look at her differently
bro tf
oh, I wonder. I am from a white family name of Head from Macon, GA area. Not a Nathian though. But, also a guy that had two properties in different counties and two seperate families at the same time during about the same time frame. Them Heads were tricky people.
they were Heads for a reason then 🤣😅😆😄
Shouldve been called Heels, huh? Kikikiki 😁
True
Love is love …SA is SA
I doubt if it was consensual bc the lady in question didn't seem to tell her husband this child might not be his. Probably took that one to the grave but very fascinating history here
Oh gosh I sadly don't think the lady had a true choice in those days 😢
The best detectives on the planet.
You can see on Ciara's face that see did not like where this was going. The fact that they tried to pretty things up for some people who don't want to confront the truth makes me sure I will NEVER watch this show.
there wasn't many affairs in those times and it was mostly assault done to the women by the landowners, ciara might not know her u. s history that well 🤷🏻♂️
As a Creole of color with a very in depth knowledge and understanding of my own family history I will say this. My family were free people of color. I had a grandmother who was designated a free woman of color upon her birth. In New Orleans there were Creoles of color who formed romantic partnerships with European Creole men, which we call both placage and left handed marriages. Given the laws of the time a white man and a colored women were not permitted to marry in a legal sense, however race mixing in New Orleans was simply commonplace. My grandfather a French Creole had children with my grandmother and provided for them a small cottage house. Unlike slaves free women of color had the chance to choose their romantic partners.Let's not forget it was the love story of a white man and a black woman that ultimately changed the laws of the time and allowed for different races to marry. Thankfully many more interracial relationships and marriages are on the rise.
Yes but the same last name tends to mean it was a slavehand
Yes! Exactly! Also, prior to the Amerucans gaining control of Louisiana Creoles of Color and Europeans did marry. If Amricans didn't gain control of Louisiana, it would be separate with it's own history like Peurto Rico.
@@hereiswisdom Thank you, finally someone who truly gets it! You're intelligent and have an insight that so few have within this day and age. Stay blessed and stay wise!
She did say she wants to believe
We knew that look at her
She can choose to believe that, but I don't. In the year 1900s, in Georgia, where black people, despite it being post Emancipation, still did not have basic rights. I believe she was assaulted, unfortunately.
Was it consensual? It's like saying the sky is brown. No, it wasn't.
...Sacred Conversations!!!...
Oh they cleaned that up🤦🏾♀️🙄
I love this program. Absolutely fascinating. I have a similar situation in my ancestry, my great-grandmother's birth record states she was an illegitimate child, so we don't know who her father was. Her mom married a few years later and it seems he adopted my great-grandmother, since she got his last name. But my family are convinced he wasn't her biological father. A relative of mine did some digging and found that around the time her mom got pregnant he worked at a farm where also a number of men worked. Anyone of them could possibly have been our ancestor then. Guess we'll never know. 😅