We really only expected this video to get like 5k views because our non form specific videos trend that direction. We have unintentionally clickbaited. Apologies
Having a playing partner understanding your form challenges and being willing to speak up and maybe hold the phone to video. My buddy and I try to do this... especially for rounding.
There’s was a great old golf book by Percy Boomer “On Learning Golf”, he focused on giving advice of what it feels like…sometimes not what you should do, but what it feels like. And his advice was specific to the individual. And I’ve heard Scott Stokely talk about fixing multiple things by focusing on one thing, that he knows will prevent them from doing the other five things wrong. A good coach who can communicate what to do, but also how to get the student to that point, is really important in all sports, as is the ability to accept the coaching.
This is actually one of the best coaching videos you’ve ever made. You can try explaining things all day, but if a person doesn’t know how to receive and implement the coaching, then progress will be minimal at best.
excellent analysis. i'd ad this can take a while to get right on a consistent basis. im 3 years in and its finally becoming more consistent. After full years 1 to 3 it was a come and go thing, maybe a month on and 3 weeks of struggle. Then out to the field and get it back in line. Being an 40+ i gave myself 5 years and its coming along nicely, OT is very helpful and improved my game, thanks guys
I've been casually playing disc golf here and there for a few years, but I want to start taking it more seriously and get better. Learning how to learn is always the most important skill, so I really appreciate this lesson.
Yeah, man. This is more important than people think. Learning to feel the real. If we can't feel it, we can't fix it, no matter how much you SEE it. Have a video coming soon very related to this. Promise it was planned before I saw this...lol
This is amazing. Today I just spent 2 hours doing field work trying exactly to unlearn my bad and deep habit (talking about years of cumulative muscle memory here) of rounding. After over 400 repetitions over 2 days, I am still doing it. Focus next. Will take weeks to fix it, I believe, and possibly a few thousand reps.
I've just gotten back out because the snow has finally started to melt ( i hate slipping and falling on ice.) and by the end of last year i had a decent toss, like avg. 330ft +\-. But I find every year I come back to it I try to throw my arm out because I'm trying to get back to peak end of season distance on the first round, I would get lightning from my shoulder to my elbow into my pinky. This year, I'm taking a softer approach, I would try to force my elbow through and try to snap off hard shots and it would kill my arm for the first month or so. Now, it feels like 70-80% power going through the motion shots and I'm getting 300ft shots easy and I'm not tearing my pec or tennis elbow nonsense. It feels great, I'm getting older, i just turned 45 and I would like to keep playing injury free. I'm probably going to have to submit a video this year for form review, get into the Patreon crowd. I love the content Josh, keep up the good work.
I agree that many people dont have good propriocetion, joint position and movement awareness in space. As you point out, you cant self diagnose what you do wrong if you cant feel what you do. If this is your issue, work on it daily. Close your eyes, touch body parts with a finger: nose, elbow, forehead, a specific finger on the other had, hip bone, knees, big toe, spine, etc. Also close eyes and notice bending and straightening joints. Metatarsals, ankles, knees, hips, neck, shoulders, elbows, wrists, fingers. Notice changes in tension, balance. Do it during commercials, and other dead time. Do it until you are good at it! You will be much better at learning movements, sports, dance... for the rest of your life.
One thing for me, is that when I'm standing on a tee pad, my "bad habits" kick in. I'm having a much easier time to focus on what I'm doing (and at times, filming as well) if I'm out in a soccer field or something like that. My problem is that I'm too... Addicted. I just want to go out and play, AND, try to make changes at the same time. It has not worked out great for me last year. But, for some reason I'm kind of able to replay what I did during certain shots (thinking more about the feel-part of the throw) hours to days after the shot took place and analyze what I did right VS what was wrong. This gives me hope for my backhand this year, but at the same time, it's like 10 things I have to "do right", which is a tall order. But again, if only the snow would melt I could get into field work some more.
I function the same way actually. The important thing for us is to make sure we get stuff into the final step of automatic and correct. If we can only get it right when we focus on it we haven’t grooved it enough yet. Eventually you’ll want to try to turn the brain off and see what sticks and only pull cues out to fix things that go wrong not to execute things so that they go correctly
These videos are amazing and so helpful so thank you!. Do you have any videos on shot shaping? Im struggling so hard in that area. Disc angle for anhyzer shots end up being straight rollers. Basically anything going left to right videos will be helpful. Again thank you
And... there is a concept i research about creating new habits, tie it to an existing habit. So, if you are rounding, where does the rounding mistake start? Is it in footwork? Reachback, etc? Find the first mistake, go back one step and then tie your new habit to that. For example, "when I cross my left foot behind my right leg, I will extend my arm straight out away from my body." Once you have that habit down, you tie your next change to the previous good habit. In that way, you don't have to remember everything, you just remember the one change to focus on. It's one of the reasons everybody says to focus on only one change at a time, because you just can't act athletically if you are in your head for more than one action. Repeat your one new action until you don't feel the need to pay attention to it. If it is something like a reach back, it's something you can do 100 times a day around the house without even throwing a disc.
The hardest part about breaking bad habits is that it feels "weird" and you will throw some terrible shots at first until you get used to it. Sometimes it's good to get out and not keep score, just focus on the one thing each throw, don't worry about throwing a bad shot and throw some mulligans. Get a cheap tripod and you can check yourself.
Good nuanced tips about how to make those fieldwork sessions better by making conscious adjustments. Think about what you need to do to get it right instead of what you shouldn't be doing. Amen.
This clip reminded me of a mulligan (We suck so we get 1 mulligan on the front and back 9). I mentioned this shot once before to you, downhill shot where the trees on both sides were reaching out (downhill) so if you threw a hyzer flip, no hit tilt. Low % shot because the ceiling decreased and the branches tapered inwards closing both margins /\. Here's the thing, at one point in the walkup, the only shot this summer where I just knew it. It wasn't ego; Like you said about feel but in the moment. Why did I know? What was different? and where has that bastard I summoned for that one drive been hiding since?
You're a great teacher josh (and mikey, youre a great videographer!) I dont remember how many subs this channel had when i first watched a video (though im sure it was sub 1k) but i knew immediately you would be succesful. You guys absolutely have earned your success. Keep on doing good work brothers. ✌️
This is important for sure. Fortunately, I grew up playing competitive tennis and I learned these micro-adjustments in forms. The hardest part is I don't have anyone close to work on forms with 😂
So I recently have been gaining distance. But I'm not 100% sure how. Now I really need someone film me. Cause for the life of me I can't do this into a net. It feels like I might be rounding, but I know I'm hitting the pocket. So I don't think those can both be true. But it feels like my shoulders and hips are rotating so fast that I have to actively throw my eblow through to have any hope of getting to the pocket. I threw 535' today and it never made it up to head height.I Had a big tailwind, but I'm not all that convinced it helped my distance today. Since turns out a 25 mph tailwind when throwing very slightly uphill (like1ft up per 100ft thrown), makes all your discs fly like crap never got a full shape out of them. Almost certainly because the relative airspeed is sooo low. Also historically my best throws tend to come on gentle headwinds where the disc crests at about 20' high and glides on the turn before fading for the last 5-7 vertical feet. That being said I also had a played around yesterday and after in a field threw a 470' standstill. I am actually starting to worry about long term injury risk but nothing hurts after. Just soreness but two questions, if you blow through your brace, does that mean you need a wider front brace? Second will bending the knees a lot, like a standard basketball defense level of bend, help the brace slow you more cause then you can extend the front leg into the brace creating more force on the groud and in theory more back on you to help you stop?
I have a three-step run up so momentum step, x, brace. Momentum thought is feel the flow (I have an arm swing that works for me that sets up timing for the steps and throws). So feel the flow, then throw the elbow to start the arm in the throw, and then whip the hand through which for more means get the hand from a to b as fast as possible.
You don’t know me, bro. You think I won’t watch this video? Oh I’ll watch it, and I’ll like it. I’ll even leave a comment and subscribe to your channel.
Why is Josh kissing his discs? At the end of this video Josh is like "This is for you" Kisses the disc and smashes. Wink and a nod gesture to his disc golf girlfriends perhaps? That's my theory anyway. Player.🤜🤛
So the video was about focusing... does that mean that the vignetting was Mikey's way of artistically expressing the video's theme... if so, genius. Or are you using subliminal mind control on us now?
Hey. This is going to be brutal. I love your videos, but if your going to talk about rounding and your belly is rounding my attention span is on you. Not your advice. You're a good dude. Just letting you know what my eyes see. Thank you for your content.
Mikey here. I think I’d rather you not watch our videos if you think comments like this are somehow helpful in any way whatsoever. Just letting you know. Liking your comment to get rid of it from our feed. Good day.
We really only expected this video to get like 5k views because our non form specific videos trend that direction. We have unintentionally clickbaited. Apologies
I appreciate this transparency so much!
I hate content creators need to use clickbait to get the views and revenue they deserve.
game is game 🤝
Having a playing partner understanding your form challenges and being willing to speak up and maybe hold the phone to video. My buddy and I try to do this... especially for rounding.
There’s was a great old golf book by Percy Boomer “On Learning Golf”, he focused on giving advice of what it feels like…sometimes not what you should do, but what it feels like. And his advice was specific to the individual. And I’ve heard Scott Stokely talk about fixing multiple things by focusing on one thing, that he knows will prevent them from doing the other five things wrong. A good coach who can communicate what to do, but also how to get the student to that point, is really important in all sports, as is the ability to accept the coaching.
Love it
I'm 1100 rated in bad habits
I'm 310 Udisc rated in poor form. Kinda an elite club we're in. 😎
Daaaaaang
Would you post a video on how to get maximum spin on a backhand. Does the hand curl around the disc when coming through the pocket, etc.? Thanks!
@@da324 when we have a definitive answer on that we’ll definitely post
😂 same, friend!
I have watched everyone of your videos so far, not stopping now! Good stuff.
This is actually one of the best coaching videos you’ve ever made. You can try explaining things all day, but if a person doesn’t know how to receive and implement the coaching, then progress will be minimal at best.
I would listen to a good teacher talk about anything. You are always interesting. Love your work, and Mikey's too!
excellent analysis. i'd ad this can take a while to get right on a consistent basis. im 3 years in and its finally becoming more consistent. After full years 1 to 3 it was a come and go thing, maybe a month on and 3 weeks of struggle. Then out to the field and get it back in line. Being an 40+ i gave myself 5 years and its coming along nicely, OT is very helpful and improved my game, thanks guys
I've been casually playing disc golf here and there for a few years, but I want to start taking it more seriously and get better. Learning how to learn is always the most important skill, so I really appreciate this lesson.
Yeah, man. This is more important than people think. Learning to feel the real. If we can't feel it, we can't fix it, no matter how much you SEE it. Have a video coming soon very related to this. Promise it was planned before I saw this...lol
Even if it wasn’t that’d be ok.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf can I name it "The Second Most Important Video You Probably Won't Watch..." 🤣🤣
This is amazing. Today I just spent 2 hours doing field work trying exactly to unlearn my bad and deep habit (talking about years of cumulative muscle memory here) of rounding. After over 400 repetitions over 2 days, I am still doing it. Focus next. Will take weeks to fix it, I believe, and possibly a few thousand reps.
It’s so hard to get out of the mindset sometimes
I've just gotten back out because the snow has finally started to melt ( i hate slipping and falling on ice.) and by the end of last year i had a decent toss, like avg. 330ft +\-. But I find every year I come back to it I try to throw my arm out because I'm trying to get back to peak end of season distance on the first round, I would get lightning from my shoulder to my elbow into my pinky. This year, I'm taking a softer approach, I would try to force my elbow through and try to snap off hard shots and it would kill my arm for the first month or so. Now, it feels like 70-80% power going through the motion shots and I'm getting 300ft shots easy and I'm not tearing my pec or tennis elbow nonsense. It feels great, I'm getting older, i just turned 45 and I would like to keep playing injury free. I'm probably going to have to submit a video this year for form review, get into the Patreon crowd. I love the content Josh, keep up the good work.
I agree that many people dont have good propriocetion, joint position and movement awareness in space.
As you point out, you cant self diagnose what you do wrong if you cant feel what you do.
If this is your issue, work on it daily. Close your eyes, touch body parts with a finger: nose, elbow, forehead, a specific finger on the other had, hip bone, knees, big toe, spine, etc.
Also close eyes and notice bending and straightening joints.
Metatarsals, ankles, knees, hips, neck, shoulders, elbows, wrists, fingers. Notice changes in tension, balance.
Do it during commercials, and other dead time. Do it until you are good at it!
You will be much better at learning movements, sports, dance... for the rest of your life.
One thing for me, is that when I'm standing on a tee pad, my "bad habits" kick in. I'm having a much easier time to focus on what I'm doing (and at times, filming as well) if I'm out in a soccer field or something like that.
My problem is that I'm too... Addicted. I just want to go out and play, AND, try to make changes at the same time. It has not worked out great for me last year. But, for some reason I'm kind of able to replay what I did during certain shots (thinking more about the feel-part of the throw) hours to days after the shot took place and analyze what I did right VS what was wrong. This gives me hope for my backhand this year, but at the same time, it's like 10 things I have to "do right", which is a tall order. But again, if only the snow would melt I could get into field work some more.
I function the same way actually. The important thing for us is to make sure we get stuff into the final step of automatic and correct. If we can only get it right when we focus on it we haven’t grooved it enough yet. Eventually you’ll want to try to turn the brain off and see what sticks and only pull cues out to fix things that go wrong not to execute things so that they go correctly
These videos are amazing and so helpful so thank you!. Do you have any videos on shot shaping? Im struggling so hard in that area. Disc angle for anhyzer shots end up being straight rollers. Basically anything going left to right videos will be helpful. Again thank you
Shot shaping is in the works!
And... there is a concept i research about creating new habits, tie it to an existing habit. So, if you are rounding, where does the rounding mistake start? Is it in footwork? Reachback, etc? Find the first mistake, go back one step and then tie your new habit to that. For example, "when I cross my left foot behind my right leg, I will extend my arm straight out away from my body." Once you have that habit down, you tie your next change to the previous good habit. In that way, you don't have to remember everything, you just remember the one change to focus on. It's one of the reasons everybody says to focus on only one change at a time, because you just can't act athletically if you are in your head for more than one action. Repeat your one new action until you don't feel the need to pay attention to it. If it is something like a reach back, it's something you can do 100 times a day around the house without even throwing a disc.
The hardest part about breaking bad habits is that it feels "weird" and you will throw some terrible shots at first until you get used to it. Sometimes it's good to get out and not keep score, just focus on the one thing each throw, don't worry about throwing a bad shot and throw some mulligans. Get a cheap tripod and you can check yourself.
Good nuanced tips about how to make those fieldwork sessions better by making conscious adjustments. Think about what you need to do to get it right instead of what you shouldn't be doing. Amen.
Love this topic!! A good zoomed out perspective 👀
Great advice on how to break bad habits, and not just the ones in sports (disc golf) but the ones we face in life. Thanks very helpful.
This clip reminded me of a mulligan (We suck so we get 1 mulligan on the front and back 9). I mentioned this shot once before to you, downhill shot where the trees on both sides were reaching out (downhill) so if you threw a hyzer flip, no hit tilt. Low % shot because the ceiling decreased and the branches tapered inwards closing both margins /\.
Here's the thing, at one point in the walkup, the only shot this summer where I just knew it. It wasn't ego; Like you said about feel but in the moment. Why did I know? What was different? and where has that bastard I summoned for that one drive been hiding since?
This is good advice for life not just disc golf
Always informative and entertaining. Thanks fellas
Aw man, you went back to my favorite outro music!! Idk why but it makes me happy, lifts my spirits! Thanks bros
And i watched twice
Look at mirror neurons and how it helps with learning. Yay brains! This was very helpful in using biofeedback in learning.
You're a great teacher josh (and mikey, youre a great videographer!) I dont remember how many subs this channel had when i first watched a video (though im sure it was sub 1k) but i knew immediately you would be succesful. You guys absolutely have earned your success. Keep on doing good work brothers. ✌️
Thank you! Sub 1k gang!!!
Exactly what I needed. Thank you
Adding to my “best beginner tutorials” playlist 👍
Good words. Thank you.
Josh, you are a great coach! That is all..
LEROY JENKINS!!!
@@OverthrowDiscGolf 🤣🤣
This is important for sure.
Fortunately, I grew up playing competitive tennis and I learned these micro-adjustments in forms.
The hardest part is I don't have anyone close to work on forms with 😂
It definitely helps
So I recently have been gaining distance. But I'm not 100% sure how. Now I really need someone film me. Cause for the life of me I can't do this into a net. It feels like I might be rounding, but I know I'm hitting the pocket. So I don't think those can both be true. But it feels like my shoulders and hips are rotating so fast that I have to actively throw my eblow through to have any hope of getting to the pocket.
I threw 535' today and it never made it up to head height.I Had a big tailwind, but I'm not all that convinced it helped my distance today. Since turns out a 25 mph tailwind when throwing very slightly uphill (like1ft up per 100ft thrown), makes all your discs fly like crap never got a full shape out of them. Almost certainly because the relative airspeed is sooo low. Also historically my best throws tend to come on gentle headwinds where the disc crests at about 20' high and glides on the turn before fading for the last 5-7 vertical feet.
That being said I also had a played around yesterday and after in a field threw a 470' standstill. I am actually starting to worry about long term injury risk but nothing hurts after. Just soreness but two questions, if you blow through your brace, does that mean you need a wider front brace? Second will bending the knees a lot, like a standard basketball defense level of bend, help the brace slow you more cause then you can extend the front leg into the brace creating more force on the groud and in theory more back on you to help you stop?
I have a three-step run up so momentum step, x, brace. Momentum thought is feel the flow (I have an arm swing that works for me that sets up timing for the steps and throws). So feel the flow, then throw the elbow to start the arm in the throw, and then whip the hand through which for more means get the hand from a to b as fast as possible.
Congratulations on the throws. Basically yes to both of your ending questions. And just be attentive to potential injury moving forward
Thank you for this !
I saw that Tone disc
Thank you!
You don’t know me, bro. You think I won’t watch this video? Oh I’ll watch it, and I’ll like it. I’ll even leave a comment and subscribe to your channel.
Bahaha. I am legitimately shocked it has this many views
Interesting. For me it's the opposite. I throw much better when I remind myself to keep the arm at 90° or behind that.
I feel like I'm good at breaking bad habits, even though I have this skill I still can't throw far 😂
Video Title of The Year Award goes to… This Video
He said, "Breaking Bad." Now I'm addicted to crystal meth.
I did in fact see it
I don’t understand how
One and biggest habbit of mine is elbow dropping
I see your manipulative video title that triggers my competitive nature to then watch the whole video... But I would have have watched anyway 😋
I legitimately thought that people wouldn’t watch this because it didn’t doesn’t deal with a hot topic. You’re a real one
Neck beard on point!
Good advice is like chicken soup for your soul. 😁
Realistically this video is teaching peopla a way to use your videos and how to learn to tell when they make changes
I have Breaking Bad habits
Foot fault
Why is Josh kissing his discs? At the end of this video Josh is like "This is for you" Kisses the disc and smashes. Wink and a nod gesture to his disc golf girlfriends perhaps? That's my theory anyway. Player.🤜🤛
Bahaha. Maybe I’ll keep that one a secret 🤫
So the video was about focusing... does that mean that the vignetting was Mikey's way of artistically expressing the video's theme... if so, genius. Or are you using subliminal mind control on us now?
Mind control could be cool
For the algo
🙌
I didn’t watch it
Thanks. We weren’t trying to be liars out here. Thanks for having our back 💪
drop
why you gotta be so un-entertaining for ...
I’m sorry! 😭
Hey. This is going to be brutal. I love your videos, but if your going to talk about rounding and your belly is rounding my attention span is on you. Not your advice. You're a good dude. Just letting you know what my eyes see. Thank you for your content.
Mikey here. I think I’d rather you not watch our videos if you think comments like this are somehow helpful in any way whatsoever. Just letting you know. Liking your comment to get rid of it from our feed. Good day.
You are exactly what disc golf does not need. You seem like the type of guy who couldn't be bothered to yell fore...
Weight loss looking great man.