Fully agree with you Pavlin! I have decided to stay with my old reliable 2014 Suzuki Vstrom instead of moving to a new, much more expensive bike. With the saved money I will travel!
I bought a Transalp this January. Sooo much hand wringing between this and t7. Decision came down to weight up high. I’ve put 100,000kms n 4 years on 2018 Africa twin (heavy bike with weight up high) and have had zero repair expense. This fall I am riding from my home in Vancouver Canada to Panama where I’ll store it and head into South America next fall. Reliability is everything, I still have the Africa twin and will continue to tour North America on it, for me it has been very close to the perfect bike and still performs perfectly.
So glad I've found your channel. I started riding in 1985 when you were lucky to have two working brakes on a bike and it started now and then. Since then, I've had a lot of bikes and now I'm coming back after a break of 6 years. The Tenere 700 hits all my boxes for a new bike, I've just come back from my local dealer and having a sit on the bike. I need to go back and have a test ride now just to make sure but I'm pretty sure this is the bike for me.
I always stick with the Japanese manufacturers, they have the track record and their experience will find its way into every motorcycle they build. The first thing is to work out what riding you will do. Not the riding you imagine yourself doing but the actual riding you will be doing. Mine is long paved road and gravel road distances with some quite difficult but not fast 2 track off road. I'm here to smell the roses not blast through them. I chose the transalp, fitted stiffer springs, a bash plate and some hand guards. Done and loving it. The T7 and DE800, and a couple of other models would also have been excellent choices.
@@motorcycleadventures Actually, a motorcycle should also allow you to dream a little bit as well, so it's ok to build an around the world bike even if you just ride to Starbucks, if that's what you're into, in my opinion.
I bought Tiger 900 for features, 24k miles (38,600km) in just over 2 years and I'm regretting it. I've spent lots of money, time and anguish to keep it running. My next purchase will be reliability with a few features I really like, like cruise control. I also have a Suzuki DR650 with 15k miles (24,000km) and it has been easy and reliable.
@@wyattblessing7078 I owned Triumph 800, 900 and 1200 lively bies; never had any issues. Now I have a 900 GT pro mod 2024. Love it. Drive 12000 km a year.
I feel sorry for you. I have Tiger 900 Rally Pro, 14k miles. I think the only problem I had with it was quickshifter. It stopped working, and was exchanged on the warranty for free. No other issues so far. I travelled to many European countries a few times, touch wood, no issues on the road at all.
More features, more to go wrong. Traction control- throttle and brake. Great video Palvin. I love my T7. The analogy was funny and yet so true. Cheers from 🇺🇸
Very good video Pavlin. Reliability turns possible to do big trips, some features are good on comutting as they simbolize confort but are way less important when you ride abroad
Reliability is THE most important matter for me. Period. Bikes with quick shiffer, cruise control (perhaps even radar guided), electronic suspension, etc., etc. will "enjoy" humongous repair bills once that crap fails 🤷
When I first riding bikes many years ago, bikes had no add ons, not even ABS, and we all tried our best to increase the power, take out restrictors, put on power pipes / microns etc, and we was happy
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I think it's all been said....JAPANESE (ideally minimal bells n whistles) as my friend once said ,"if you want faulty goods from japan,you must order it specially "
I understand your points about simplicity vs complexity as in bicycle is more reliable than a spaceship. However, it can be misleading the term versus. Some features will not collide with reliability. Indeed, online customers should conduct their research easily about various models and manufacturers. They just need to invest some time into that. An anecdote, simple meal is healthier than complex one to our body :)
Stil love my 2023 t7, with 11.000 km on the clock now. Love how simple it is and planty of power for a wheelie. Done 1000 km (with puig windshield, a50 euro and 2 minutes work) on a day, just a great alrounder for on and some gravel roads for me.
Right words! But about new brands- i am waiting and watching Kove brand. They finished Dakar and made it in good time. So, Dakar as one of the benchmark of reliability.
Excellent topic and very well explained. Been a long time subscriber of your channel My own example- I tour around the world with my wife as passenger on rented bikes. Indeed, BMW GS boxer is probably one of the finest touring machines when everything is working! The balance, comfort, handling, braking etc are one notch higher than the competition. HOWEVER, since each of my individual rides are 10-15 days maximum on RENTED bikes (which are relatively new and I dont have to bother about its maintenance), that is my first rental choice. Whereas my personal bikes have been the Kawasaki GTR1400 and Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 (I would have preferred a T7 but since I mostly ride 2up with luggage I need a little more power and comfort hence the S10). As for long distance touring, in my personal opinion the bare essential electronics needed are EFI and ABS, all other gizmos are just more things to go wrong. And if you see the things going wrong on the newer BMWs (including now a disposable shaft drive!) esp after paying mega-dollars for all the bells & whistles, I find it ridiculous when owners having problems with new bikes consoling themselves that "I still appreciate BMW as a company that they covered it under warranty or informed me about a recall/stop ride etc"....after paying almost twice the amount you would pay for a similar Japanese bike with relatively much lesser/no niggles
The 411 Himalayan has over a decade of use and 20000 miles with no problems. My 2022 has been flawless... Change oil, adjust valves, clean O2 sensor tighten fasteners. 2 hours of maintenance every 3000 miles with no dealer costs.. I think mainstream riders are minimizing the positive effects of this brand due to bias.... good video though
Fantastic! I think I made the right choice to buy a CRF300 Rally for some short time holidays on the TET. The time I do tousands of km on the motorcicle is not now (but possible) ;)
Peace of mind is a very important item and it all begins with reliability. I drove a KTM 790 Adv for three years and a half and 42000 km with some well known issues, rear shock broke down at 28000 km, brake reservoir leaking, humidity in the tachometer, rear stoplight sensor broke, cool water leaks etc m all repaired in my four year, extended warranty that I took. But next year my warranty is gone and a befriended KTM mechanic said that a suspicious ticking noice could mean camshaft wear. So what to do? I have chosen to sell the bike and at 66 years get me a road bike again, without electronics, lightweight and reliable. There weren’t so many options, because electronics are invading the motor scene, so my choice fell on two bikes, the Honda NC 750 and the Yamaha Tracer 7 GT with the reliable CP2 engine. I bought the Yamaha, not only for his more sporty looks, but also for his vivid 73 hp engine with plenty of couple. I am a road traveler through Europe, no off-road anymore, so the tubeless road tires will be a positive point also. I have it on the end of the week, and ready to ride it in. Thanks for giving me confidence in this engine because I lost my faith in KTM. Loved the bike I had, but I am gonna change my lover for a trustful partner. Thanks for the video!
Yeap. Lost my faith in the KTM too. I had major engine damage while riding. Luckily got it warrantied and sold it off too. Somehow the worst purchasing decision of my life but I'm glad i bought it brand new so it came with warranty
@@Ian-ny6ux It’s a shame and they are awesome bikes to ride, but when you hear that five years after the release of the 790 engine and the successor the 890, still the same serious problems appear…Not all the bikes seem to have for example the camshaft issue, but it seems to me that it is KTM’s duty to recall the bikes and check out if your bike is damaged. No, they wait until it breaks down or until the first valve check at 30000 km, when the damage is done. The last straw that broke the camel's back was cooling water dripping down from the hose on the thermostat house when I just came back from a 5000km road-trip. I was lucky there. The cool fluid was just under the minimum and it’s also a known issue by KTM. The housing of the thermostat of the first 790 series are oval, so the clamp isn’t tightened equally. The 890 has a round thermostat house, so why don’t do a recall when you know it’s gonna cause problems? This was my third KTM (after a 990 Adventure and an SMT 990) but never again.
I liked the ride, this format is way better then the ones from the chair. I am also not fun of features, reliability should be more important. I also don't agree with some things, but we know that you are hard core Yamaha Tenere fan (and with a good reason), so it is ok. One thing i would like to add - always test ride motorcycle you want to buy! That way you can't get disappointed for power for example, or ergonomics, as your friend did with 450mt. Because 1000cc to 450cc is a very big change to do without testing. I switched from xt660z to 450mt and i can say there is very little difference in power, if at all. Maybe tenere is 10% stronger at best. But my feeling is that Ten is a lot (top) heavier and harder to ride. Anyway, i am not some demanding rider, i ride 5 - 6k km a year and i guess mt will do the trick. And only time will tell is it reliable enough. All the best!
The emission requirements makes the electronics complicated. You will need a odb2 scanner to diagnose and solve errors. Not all dealers actually have the knowledge to fix the bikes but throws parts at it until something works. Travelling means for me that you will to know your bike in detail, get updates and replace vulnerable items before you leave. 80k kilometres trouble free kilometres do not mean that that your bike will not stop driving tomorrow😜
Pav - as usual, good wisdom on motorcycle reliability and added comfort necessities. And that wife/lover analogy should've been vice versa as I've had many friends and acquaintances tell me the lover is more reliable than the wife 😁.
An extreme analogy would be NASA sending a consumer smartphone into space. They worked with Samsung and got production data on failure rate. Once they bought the right phone for reliability, safety was analysed and they destroyed the antenna to prevent it from interfering with communications. It costs a lot of money to put weight into space - so a dead phone is very expensive.
@@motorcycleadventures yes, I agree I have a T7 with 50K KM. But a family member has a bike with cruise control and I just love to use it. I think the next T7 will be ride-by-wire, so cruise control will surely also be present. It's just cool to have the bike drive itself on the highway.
@@gbner9991 I agree, have a bike with it and loved it for my super long trips. I have a bike without it and I miss it. Never thought I wanted it until I got it.
Mr Pavlin. I am 64. I was 11 years old when i got my first motorcycle (Honda 50cc minitrail 😁). After many motorcycles, mostly Yamaha, I bought a Ténéré 700 2024. Although I like it, the center of gravity is too high. Very difficult to recuperate. It does not need that much ground clearance. I am 6 foot tall. The seat is too high when needed to back it up. Do we we need that much power ? Other than that I love it.
Hello Pavlin thanks for your video. We wanna buy something different than a t7 even if we know that or ktm is less reliable. If u want dead solid reliability buy a Honda cub 50😂😂
I have a RE Meteor 350 and it is a great bike, very easy to ride two up. The new Himalayan feels too top heavy for me, though I like the engine, so with the 350 down on power I am look at the 450 (low seat( Guerrilla. I am 72 and could never handle a top heavy bike like yours, so what else? RE seem pretty reliable, no problems with mine after 2 years.
Very true. I needed a lover rescently.. it was fun but I'm going back to a wife soon 🤣 I bought the fun bike fully understanding that I had no plans to make big trips with it. I wanted to experience it by ownership and report back how it is and it was pretty much as expected. Great bike but not so reliable.
Nice video. I am a trdent 660 owner, in two years I have 30k km on in but in the 300km radius from home. In 2025 I plan to go to Istanbul and I am thinking which bike to go with. Mine is the base choice but I would like to try something else. I have viewed the 450mt and I like it because it could be my second motorcycle, switching to a T7 would require me to sell the Trident for economical reasons. I can wait 1 year... I am not sure what to do after your video .. I will never be a travel guy, but I like eastern europe. I am from north Italy.
KLE 500 super comfortable low maintenance travel bike ... and cheap ... the only thing i rely miss on it is a fuel gauge :D and maybe a bit better brakes :D
One very positive thing that the Chinese bikes that have entered the market have done is that they have kept the prices of the "brand bikes" and have not gone too high. The 2nd thing I would like to say is that specifically cf moto has been around for years with rental quads since I was a kid and they still work !! (I'm 55 now) Another nice video my friend. Keep it up
Ciao Pavlin ( spero sia giusto); sono Marco ci siamo sentiti per le borse 21fra😊telli. Scusa se scrivo in italiano, non so scrivere in inglese. Seguo tutti i tuoi video e sono completamente d'accordo con te su tutto. Sto preparando un lungo viaggio e prendo tanti spunti dai tuoi video. Mi e' piaciuto particolarmente quello sulle sospensioni e vorrei darti il mio punto di vista: la Yamaha con il suo cp2 e la linea Teneré ha fatto la parte del leone nel segmento ADV da anni e anni, quindi non sono stupidi. Anche loro vedranno TH-cam e sapranno delle lamentele relative alle sospensioni del T 700. Mi sono chiesto perché non hanno dotato la moto di sospensioni tipo la Rally, potevano chiedere più soldi e ci avrebbero pure guadagnato. Poi ho pensato che io sono alto 1,78 e le selle di tutta la linea Teneré sono alte. Ho fatto questa prova: ho messo degli spessori di legno sotto la moto per non farla abbassare e sono salito. Toccavo appena le punte dei piedi, ho tolto gli spessori e la forcella ha ceduto di sette/otto cm. (per te 10 mi pare) e mi sono trovato bene piantato in terra con i piedi. Considerando che l' altezza media dei maschi europei e' 1,70 con questo assetto soddisfano quasi tutti e il probabile cliente non rinuncerà come ho fatto io per la Rally con sella a 91 cm e forcelle sostenute. Quindi la soluzione è la tua. Provarla ed adattarla. Altra nota: anch'io uso le carte (Michelin) le tue cosa sono? Nell' ultimo viaggio mi sono trovato molto bene con un Carplay impermeabile, che ne pensi? Ciao.
Yeah I wish more manufacturers go that route but they are not. Even Yamaha is already pumping stuff into the Tenere which are unnecessary since the 23 model.
What is the sense in having a motorcycle with all the bells and whistles, lots of chrome and loud pipes but it is unreliable and could break down about 10 km from home - only leads to embarrassment and you will soon get rid of it - I speak from experience.
The more electronic and hydraulic conveniences we add to vehicles the more very expensive failure points we also do. Unfortunately, the most desirable motorcycles in production are coming with more and more of those. Buyers may not even be given the choice. Urban riders who just pose/dream about having adventures are in a safer position than the ones, like you, who indeed go on adventures in remote places. When things go wrong with those features in a remote area, the user might be in serious danger. Legislation and marketing seem to be working against the real adventure users. They might be a endangered species.
With KTM I think it’s the buy extras that is already installed on the bike is the problem. Getting the dealer to switch it on and off has to be a problem
I know that you know well 411 air cooled 25 ho model. But me, I would be interested more in new one: 452. I want to travel 2 up. @@motorcycleadventures
@@motorcycleadventureslet’s say the latest one , the 452. But my question was about overall line of the model, the Himalayan . Do you consider them reliable like Japanese bikes , or not ? When it comes to cost , the price is very interesting to buy new , and also there are much praise about them in the internet .
What about having both, a wife and a lover? Two motorcycles, not two ladies 😂 One solid reliable Japanese bike and one crazy fun ktm? If you can afford it, seems like the way to go 👍. All joking aside, I completely agree that simplicity is the way to go.
Can you review the CF Moto 450 MT based on your friend's experience? It looks promising on paper, with its power-to-weight ratio, sound, 3-year warranty, etc. But like you said, its reliability is still unproven... PS: Keep up the great content! ;D
Electronics are not bad, bad electronics are bad. I work as a chemical engineer and most plants are highly automated and secure. These systems are bullet proof and tested. The same applies to many of these motorcycle systems. These are developed by. e.g. Bosch and produced by the millions with little to no room for errors. Selling you a budget bike under the disguise of "reliability" is the real marketing trick here. I don't think a Suzuki 800DE, Honda Transalp or Aprilia Tuareg 660 is any less reliable than a Tenere 700. Your opinion is usually based on anecdotal evidence, but that is worthless.
You guys talk like 50,000 km is some distance which proves reliability. I’ve cycled my bicycle more than 60,000km in the last 7 years. Zero problems. If a motorcycle can’t do that, it’s garbage 😂
I never ride my bikes as if I was in a race and I never have problems even with my KTM with 32000 kl on it. Just like if you treat your wife right she won't let you down.
You're comparing apples to oranges. You're talking about issues with the Aprilia Tuareg, but do not mention any of them. If you google it you'll find that the issues were: Brake Failure Engine Oil Leak Fuel Consumption Spark Plug Problems Color Damage Idle Issues Nothing about features that your Tenere doesn't have. Then you proceed talking about how more features mean more problems. I didn't find anything talking about Aprilia having failure with TC, or CC. So it all boils down to quality control and manufacturing processes and materials used. Things that Yamaha does better indeed. It's not the extra features, it's the engineering/manufacturing. Cars have CC and TC and throttle by wire for decades and they're not unreliable because of these. Also, you're misrepresenting the Tenere as a simple motorcycle. Nothing farther from the truth. It only misses the IMU and the throttle by wire, but it has almost every other modern feature. It's fuel injected, it has an ECU, ABS with modes, TFT dash with smartphone connectivity... pretty much everything. A simple motorcycle would be a DR650, but not a Tenere. So you don't like extra features on your bike. Fine, no problems with that, to each his own. But it's not the extra feature that make some bikes unreliable. It's the lack of build quality if we're being objective about this.
Exactly what I said in the video. Unreliable bike with a lot of features is nothing more than unreliable bike with pointless features. Never said that the features are the problem. Watch the video again but carefully.
@@motorcycleadventures I think I listened quite carefully: Your first three words in the video are "features vs. reliability". Like it's not possible to have both. Then 4:23... models that are not so popular try to attract with new features. Really? BMW is probably the most popular and has probably the most features. Honda, KTM... not really unpopular, but rich with features. 4:55 "That's why I decided to bet on something simple, like this Tenere..." clearly implying that features are the problem... Anyway... even if you tried to convey a different idea, what comes forward is your displeasure with the features and the idea that these are responsible for the lack of reliability. I think the comments also reflect this.
My conclusion was to bet on reliability, not on features! If the model is reliable and has it fine, but never buy it just because it has it. Tenere is still the simplest bike of all adventure models. Features complicate the bike and yes, make them unreliable. BMW and KTM might be popular but they have never been reliable motorcycles and yes, they rely on many features to sell their models easily. This summer for one month, I met two guys (from different countries) with Honda Africa Twins DCT that needed to go back on trailers, because of transmission problems. Another example is the cruise control. It requires ride-by-wire, which tends to cause a lot of problems on the new Tracer GT models, traction control and ABS might be a problem in many situations, especially when you try to ride off-road. Today, a friend of mine, drained his motorcycle battery, because of faulty auxiliary lights (stock), and many more examples like this. If you still cannot get the idea, there is nothing I can do for you. Thanks for taking the time, anyway!
I once owned a Yamaha SUPER TENERE 1200 XE . Let me down every winter although the batteriy was held in good condition. Also suffered with stallion. I bought it because everybody Saïd it was a reliable bike. Unfortunately it was not. Never in my life a Yamaha again.
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Fully agree with you Pavlin! I have decided to stay with my old reliable 2014 Suzuki Vstrom instead of moving to a new, much more expensive bike. With the saved money I will travel!
Good choice!
I bought a Transalp this January. Sooo much hand wringing between this and t7. Decision came down to weight up high. I’ve put 100,000kms n 4 years on 2018 Africa twin (heavy bike with weight up high) and have had zero repair expense. This fall I am riding from my home in Vancouver Canada to Panama where I’ll store it and head into South America next fall. Reliability is everything, I still have the Africa twin and will continue to tour North America on it, for me it has been very close to the perfect bike and still performs perfectly.
Thanks for sharing!
So glad I've found your channel. I started riding in 1985 when you were lucky to have two working brakes on a bike and it started now and then. Since then, I've had a lot of bikes and now I'm coming back after a break of 6 years. The Tenere 700 hits all my boxes for a new bike, I've just come back from my local dealer and having a sit on the bike. I need to go back and have a test ride now just to make sure but I'm pretty sure this is the bike for me.
Welcome aboard!
I always stick with the Japanese manufacturers, they have the track record and their experience will find its way into every motorcycle they build. The first thing is to work out what riding you will do. Not the riding you imagine yourself doing but the actual riding you will be doing. Mine is long paved road and gravel road distances with some quite difficult but not fast 2 track off road. I'm here to smell the roses not blast through them. I chose the transalp, fitted stiffer springs, a bash plate and some hand guards. Done and loving it. The T7 and DE800, and a couple of other models would also have been excellent choices.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@motorcycleadventures Actually, a motorcycle should also allow you to dream a little bit as well, so it's ok to build an around the world bike even if you just ride to Starbucks, if that's what you're into, in my opinion.
Good Video Pavlin. No features is my preferred route. When the motorcycle tries riding the "Rider" we are all in trouble!
Agree!
I couldn't agree more; reliability needs to be the first consideration. Hello from Canada and thanks for the great videos.
Thanks for watching!
There's nothing to ad 👍 Recently I bought a DR 650 for my next trip through Europe. I'm convinced it's the right choice! Cheers Alex
Good!
I bought Tiger 900 for features, 24k miles (38,600km) in just over 2 years and I'm regretting it. I've spent lots of money, time and anguish to keep it running. My next purchase will be reliability with a few features I really like, like cruise control. I also have a Suzuki DR650 with 15k miles (24,000km) and it has been easy and reliable.
Thanks for sharing!
@@wyattblessing7078 I owned Triumph 800, 900 and 1200 lively bies; never had any issues. Now I have a 900 GT pro mod 2024. Love it. Drive 12000 km a year.
I feel sorry for you. I have Tiger 900 Rally Pro, 14k miles. I think the only problem I had with it was quickshifter. It stopped working, and was exchanged on the warranty for free. No other issues so far. I travelled to many European countries a few times, touch wood, no issues on the road at all.
@@nkwd007 perhaps I am just having bad luck. It happens.
@@nkwd007I've just exchanged a well used 900gt pro for a '24 rally pro, never had any expenses outside of the expected, tyres, pads, chain etc
More features, more to go wrong. Traction control- throttle and brake. Great video Palvin. I love my T7. The analogy was funny and yet so true. Cheers from 🇺🇸
Couldn't agree more!
I must say you one of the TH-camRS who cares about your audience, like saving time and money for us by providing value expirience. thanks alot !
Thanks, man! I appreciate it!
Very good video Pavlin. Reliability turns possible to do big trips, some features are good on comutting as they simbolize confort but are way less important when you ride abroad
“Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication” is a quote by Leonardo da Vinci..... I think he agrees with Pavlin !
Absolutely!
Reliability is THE most important matter for me.
Period.
Bikes with quick shiffer, cruise control (perhaps even radar guided), electronic suspension, etc., etc. will "enjoy" humongous repair bills once that crap fails 🤷
I agree. but... many won't!
@@motorcycleadventures ancient Apache proverb:
One may lead the horse to the watering hole, but drink... 🤷
I got my T7 in March, and it has 10.000 km on the clock already. Love that bike.
Good!
When I first riding bikes many years ago, bikes had no add ons, not even ABS, and we all tried our best to increase the power, take out restrictors, put on power pipes / microns etc, and we was happy
I know what you mean!
more features equal more things that can break, thats common sense. i am happy with my vstrom 650, it just runs with no problems
Good!
Сравнението с любовницата искрено ме разсмя! Точно в десетката 😁 Хайде, няма да питам откъде имаш този експириънс 😁 Успешен нов сезон в Южна Америка! Чакам го с нетърпение 🍺
Благодаря за отделеното време!
20,000 kms this summer, touring all over Europe and Scandinavia. Honda CB500x. No gadgets, no gimmicks, zero problems.
Great! Thanks for sharing!
Reliability a very important asset for someone traveling great distances. 🆒😎🤘
Indeed it is!
Keepin' it real! Great vid! Поздрав
Thanks, man!
I think it's all been said....JAPANESE (ideally minimal bells n whistles) as my friend once said ,"if you want faulty goods from japan,you must order it specially "
Agree!
Very happy with my T7 Extreme. “The swiss army knife”👌
Good!
I understand your points about simplicity vs complexity as in bicycle is more reliable than a spaceship. However, it can be misleading the term versus. Some features will not collide with reliability. Indeed, online customers should conduct their research easily about various models and manufacturers. They just need to invest some time into that. An anecdote, simple meal is healthier than complex one to our body :)
Agree! If the model is reliable and has it fine, but never buy it just because it has it.
Stil love my 2023 t7, with 11.000 km on the clock now. Love how simple it is and planty of power for a wheelie. Done 1000 km (with puig windshield, a50 euro and 2 minutes work) on a day, just a great alrounder for on and some gravel roads for me.
Great to hear!
Right words! But about new brands- i am waiting and watching Kove brand. They finished Dakar and made it in good time. So, Dakar as one of the benchmark of reliability.
Don't rely on this! Dakar bikes are not like stock bikes.
I have the Ténéré, bought it in May, ~3700 km until now. I love it. Literally love it.
Great!
Excellent topic and very well explained. Been a long time subscriber of your channel
My own example- I tour around the world with my wife as passenger on rented bikes. Indeed, BMW GS boxer is probably one of the finest touring machines when everything is working! The balance, comfort, handling, braking etc are one notch higher than the competition. HOWEVER, since each of my individual rides are 10-15 days maximum on RENTED bikes (which are relatively new and I dont have to bother about its maintenance), that is my first rental choice. Whereas my personal bikes have been the Kawasaki GTR1400 and Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 (I would have preferred a T7 but since I mostly ride 2up with luggage I need a little more power and comfort hence the S10). As for long distance touring, in my personal opinion the bare essential electronics needed are EFI and ABS, all other gizmos are just more things to go wrong. And if you see the things going wrong on the newer BMWs (including now a disposable shaft drive!) esp after paying mega-dollars for all the bells & whistles, I find it ridiculous when owners having problems with new bikes consoling themselves that "I still appreciate BMW as a company that they covered it under warranty or informed me about a recall/stop ride etc"....after paying almost twice the amount you would pay for a similar Japanese bike with relatively much lesser/no niggles
Thanks for sharing!
The 411 Himalayan has over a decade of use and 20000 miles with no problems. My 2022 has been flawless... Change oil, adjust valves, clean O2 sensor tighten fasteners. 2 hours of maintenance every 3000 miles with no dealer costs.. I think mainstream riders are minimizing the positive effects of this brand due to bias.... good video though
I had it for 15,000km around India and Nepal and I know it very well. It does everything but it is definitely not a reliable machine.
What is your favourite drink? Most of the times I drink water. I think it's my favourite drink acutally.
I have many!
Rum, because drinking rum for breakfast doesn't mean I'm an alcoholic, it makes me a pirate! 🏴☠🤣
@@MarkN67I really hope you are not drinking in the morning tho. Do you think there were pirates who did not drink? Cannot be, right? haha
Fantastic! I think I made the right choice to buy a CRF300 Rally for some short time holidays on the TET. The time I do tousands of km on the motorcicle is not now (but possible) ;)
Thanks for sharing!
YUP, this is the main reason I got a T7 in addition to my KTM 1290 SA-R. Best of both worlds in my opinion.
Fair enough!
Reliability is a must for long travel (moto or car)
Agree!
Great video man, love the content.
Appreciate it!
Peace of mind is a very important item and it all begins with reliability. I drove a KTM 790 Adv for three years and a half and 42000 km with some well known issues, rear shock broke down at 28000 km, brake reservoir leaking, humidity in the tachometer, rear stoplight sensor broke, cool water leaks etc m all repaired in my four year, extended warranty that I took. But next year my warranty is gone and a befriended KTM mechanic said that a suspicious ticking noice could mean camshaft wear. So what to do? I have chosen to sell the bike and at 66 years get me a road bike again, without electronics, lightweight and reliable. There weren’t so many options, because electronics are invading the motor scene, so my choice fell on two bikes, the Honda NC 750 and the Yamaha Tracer 7 GT with the reliable CP2 engine. I bought the Yamaha, not only for his more sporty looks, but also for his vivid 73 hp engine with plenty of couple. I am a road traveler through Europe, no off-road anymore, so the tubeless road tires will be a positive point also. I have it on the end of the week, and ready to ride it in. Thanks for giving me confidence in this engine because I lost my faith in KTM. Loved the bike I had, but I am gonna change my lover for a trustful partner. Thanks for the video!
Yeap. Lost my faith in the KTM too. I had major engine damage while riding. Luckily got it warrantied and sold it off too. Somehow the worst purchasing decision of my life but I'm glad i bought it brand new so it came with warranty
Good decision! Enjoy your new toy!
Thanks for sharing!
@@motorcycleadventures Thanks! Can’t wait 😎
@@Ian-ny6ux It’s a shame and they are awesome bikes to ride, but when you hear that five years after the release of the 790 engine and the successor the 890, still the same serious problems appear…Not all the bikes seem to have for example the camshaft issue, but it seems to me that it is KTM’s duty to recall the bikes and check out if your bike is damaged. No, they wait until it breaks down or until the first valve check at 30000 km, when the damage is done. The last straw that broke the camel's back was cooling water dripping down from the hose on the thermostat house when I just came back from a 5000km road-trip. I was lucky there. The cool fluid was just under the minimum and it’s also a known issue by KTM. The housing of the thermostat of the first 790 series are oval, so the clamp isn’t tightened equally. The 890 has a round thermostat house, so why don’t do a recall when you know it’s gonna cause problems? This was my third KTM (after a 990 Adventure and an SMT 990) but never again.
I liked the ride, this format is way better then the ones from the chair.
I am also not fun of features, reliability should be more important.
I also don't agree with some things, but we know that you are hard core Yamaha Tenere fan (and with a good reason), so it is ok.
One thing i would like to add - always test ride motorcycle you want to buy! That way you can't get disappointed for power for example, or ergonomics, as your friend did with 450mt. Because 1000cc to 450cc is a very big change to do without testing.
I switched from xt660z to 450mt and i can say there is very little difference in power, if at all. Maybe tenere is 10% stronger at best. But my feeling is that Ten is a lot (top) heavier and harder to ride. Anyway, i am not some demanding rider, i ride 5 - 6k km a year and i guess mt will do the trick. And only time will tell is it reliable enough.
All the best!
Thanks for sharing your opinion and experience!
@@motorcycleadventures Thank you!
The emission requirements makes the electronics complicated. You will need a odb2 scanner to diagnose and solve errors. Not all dealers actually have the knowledge to fix the bikes but throws parts at it until something works. Travelling means for me that you will to know your bike in detail, get updates and replace vulnerable items before you leave. 80k kilometres trouble free kilometres do not mean that that your bike will not stop driving tomorrow😜
Thanks for sharing!
Pav - as usual, good wisdom on motorcycle reliability and added comfort necessities. And that wife/lover analogy should've been vice versa as I've had many friends and acquaintances tell me the lover is more reliable than the wife 😁.
Fair enough!
😆 you were right about the really good roads you have in Bulgaria 😆😆 .I ride a 2009 dr 650 , the only feature on the bike is me 😆 .
It is good enough feature!
An extreme analogy would be NASA sending a consumer smartphone into space. They worked with Samsung and got production data on failure rate. Once they bought the right phone for reliability, safety was analysed and they destroyed the antenna to prevent it from interfering with communications. It costs a lot of money to put weight into space - so a dead phone is very expensive.
Ok
Regardless of what anyone is saying, cruise control is useful, and I am confident the new T7 will also have it.
Never need it for thousands of km. but...
@@motorcycleadventures yes, I agree I have a T7 with 50K KM. But a family member has a bike with cruise control and I just love to use it. I think the next T7 will be ride-by-wire, so cruise control will surely also be present. It's just cool to have the bike drive itself on the highway.
Fair enough!
@@gbner9991 I agree, have a bike with it and loved it for my super long trips. I have a bike without it and I miss it. Never thought I wanted it until I got it.
Mr Pavlin. I am 64. I was 11 years old when i got my first motorcycle (Honda 50cc minitrail 😁). After many motorcycles, mostly Yamaha, I bought a Ténéré 700 2024. Although I like it, the center of gravity is too high. Very difficult to recuperate. It does not need that much ground clearance. I am 6 foot tall. The seat is too high when needed to back it up. Do we we need that much power ? Other than that I love it.
Fair enough!
THANK YOU 😊
Any time!
Hello Pavlin thanks for your video. We wanna buy something different than a t7 even if we know that or ktm is less reliable. If u want dead solid reliability buy a Honda cub 50😂😂
Fair enough! Buy whatever you like!
I have a RE Meteor 350 and it is a great bike, very easy to ride two up. The new Himalayan feels too top heavy for me, though I like the engine, so with the 350 down on power I am look at the 450 (low seat( Guerrilla. I am 72 and could never handle a top heavy bike like yours, so what else? RE seem pretty reliable, no problems with mine after 2 years.
Thanks for sharing!
Hi Pavlin,thanks for a good video once again, would you be perhaps doing a review on the CF Moto 450?
When I have the chance!
Very true. I needed a lover rescently.. it was fun but I'm going back to a wife soon 🤣 I bought the fun bike fully understanding that I had no plans to make big trips with it. I wanted to experience it by ownership and report back how it is and it was pretty much as expected. Great bike but not so reliable.
Thanks for sharing, Ismo! It will be good to make a video on this topic, because that last was a bit... not so clear.
Can't argue with the logic!
I will keep you updated with regular updates...
I hope the rearch i have done will stand me in good stead.
Ride safe 👍
Thanks, Richard!
Nice video. I am a trdent 660 owner, in two years I have 30k km on in but in the 300km radius from home. In 2025 I plan to go to Istanbul and I am thinking which bike to go with. Mine is the base choice but I would like to try something else. I have viewed the 450mt and I like it because it could be my second motorcycle, switching to a T7 would require me to sell the Trident for economical reasons. I can wait 1 year... I am not sure what to do after your video .. I will never be a travel guy, but I like eastern europe. I am from north Italy.
I will always bet on reliability, but that's me!
@@motorcycleadventures If I am not wrong you're from Bulgaria, what's about the Triumph resellers and assistance right in the countries around yours?
Not many!
KLE 500 super comfortable low maintenance travel bike ... and cheap ... the only thing i rely miss on it is a fuel gauge :D and maybe a bit better brakes :D
It will work for many, but hard to find them nowadays. Thanks for sharing!
Totally agree
Good!
One very positive thing that the Chinese bikes that have entered the market have done is that they have kept the prices of the "brand bikes" and have not gone too high.
The 2nd thing I would like to say is that specifically cf moto has been around for years with rental quads since I was a kid and they still work !! (I'm 55 now)
Another nice video my friend. Keep it up
Well... they might be an exception, but I highly doubt!
I sold my T7 because is boring bike, I bought a Ktm 890 and is super fun. I don't regret at all 😃
For now!
Ciao Pavlin ( spero sia giusto);
sono Marco ci siamo sentiti per le borse 21fra😊telli.
Scusa se scrivo in italiano, non so scrivere in inglese. Seguo tutti i tuoi video e sono completamente d'accordo con te su tutto. Sto preparando un lungo viaggio e prendo tanti spunti dai tuoi video. Mi e' piaciuto particolarmente quello sulle sospensioni e vorrei darti il mio punto di vista: la Yamaha con il suo cp2 e la linea Teneré ha fatto la parte del leone nel segmento ADV da anni e anni, quindi non sono stupidi. Anche loro vedranno TH-cam e sapranno delle lamentele relative alle sospensioni del T 700. Mi sono chiesto perché non hanno dotato la moto di sospensioni tipo la Rally, potevano chiedere più soldi e ci avrebbero pure guadagnato. Poi ho pensato che io sono alto 1,78 e le selle di tutta la linea Teneré sono alte. Ho fatto questa prova: ho messo degli spessori di legno sotto la moto per non farla abbassare e sono salito. Toccavo appena le punte dei piedi, ho tolto gli spessori e la forcella ha ceduto di sette/otto cm. (per te 10 mi pare) e mi sono trovato bene piantato in terra con i piedi.
Considerando che l' altezza media dei maschi europei e' 1,70 con questo assetto soddisfano quasi tutti e il probabile cliente non rinuncerà come ho fatto io per la Rally con sella a 91 cm e forcelle sostenute. Quindi la soluzione è la tua. Provarla ed adattarla.
Altra nota: anch'io uso le carte (Michelin) le tue cosa sono?
Nell' ultimo viaggio mi sono trovato molto bene con un Carplay impermeabile, che ne pensi?
Ciao.
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Yeah I wish more manufacturers go that route but they are not. Even Yamaha is already pumping stuff into the Tenere which are unnecessary since the 23 model.
It is what is is!
Like what? The new one can disable rear ABS only, which is useful.
And the TFT makes no difference to reliability and looks good.
For now...
What is the sense in having a motorcycle with all the bells and whistles, lots of chrome and loud pipes but it is unreliable and could break down about 10 km from home - only leads to embarrassment and you will soon get rid of it - I speak from experience.
Well...I don't know, but it looks like many will still play this game!
The more electronic and hydraulic conveniences we add to vehicles the more very expensive failure points we also do. Unfortunately, the most desirable motorcycles in production are coming with more and more of those. Buyers may not even be given the choice. Urban riders who just pose/dream about having adventures are in a safer position than the ones, like you, who indeed go on adventures in remote places. When things go wrong with those features in a remote area, the user might be in serious danger. Legislation and marketing seem to be working against the real adventure users. They might be a endangered species.
Well... it is what it is!
Tenere 4 years with me, 50000 km, no problems.
Good!
If it’s a Kato , that’s not the question , it’s when does it break.
For a T7 .. it may break , but probably not.
Only the time will show!
With KTM I think it’s the buy extras that is already installed on the bike is the problem. Getting the dealer to switch it on and off has to be a problem
Might be!
I had a Tenere for three years and rode it in the Alps, it was very fast. No need to take it outside of Europe.
Good!
@@motorcycleadventures No, very good!
What do you think about a royal Enfield Himalayan?
Which model?
I know that you know well 411 air cooled 25 ho model. But me, I would be interested more in new one: 452. I want to travel 2 up. @@motorcycleadventures
@@motorcycleadventuressry. I got my answers later in the video.
Okay!
@@motorcycleadventureslet’s say the latest one , the 452. But my question was about overall line of the model, the Himalayan . Do you consider them reliable like Japanese bikes , or not ? When it comes to cost , the price is very interesting to buy new , and also there are much praise about them in the internet .
What about having both, a wife and a lover? Two motorcycles, not two ladies 😂 One solid reliable Japanese bike and one crazy fun ktm? If you can afford it, seems like the way to go 👍. All joking aside, I completely agree that simplicity is the way to go.
Having a reliable bike at home isn't much use when you're 80 km from home, out of phone range and night is falling.
Exactly!
Let's go again the same things...
Ok
+1 ❤
Good!
Reliability is important as price. Price must be low. A moto is not a car...
Agree!
PAVLIN let the people live their dreams.
I never stopped them!
Lover can be from viliage but motor must be from japan
Agree!
No kawasaki?!
All Japanese
Can you review the CF Moto 450 MT based on your friend's experience? It looks promising on paper, with its power-to-weight ratio, sound, 3-year warranty, etc. But like you said, its reliability is still unproven... PS: Keep up the great content! ;D
I will when I have the chance!
👋🏻
Thanks for watching!
better 20 years japan then new china bike
Good!
Electronics are not bad, bad electronics are bad.
I work as a chemical engineer and most plants are highly automated and secure. These systems are bullet proof and tested.
The same applies to many of these motorcycle systems. These are developed by. e.g. Bosch and produced by the millions with little to no room for errors.
Selling you a budget bike under the disguise of "reliability" is the real marketing trick here.
I don't think a Suzuki 800DE, Honda Transalp or Aprilia Tuareg 660 is any less reliable than a Tenere 700. Your opinion is usually based on anecdotal evidence, but that is worthless.
Thanks for sharing!
You guys talk like 50,000 km is some distance which proves reliability. I’ve cycled my bicycle more than 60,000km in the last 7 years. Zero problems. If a motorcycle can’t do that, it’s garbage 😂
Agree!
I never ride my bikes as if I was in a race and I never have problems even with my KTM with 32000 kl on it. Just like if you treat your wife right she won't let you down.
Thanks for sharing!
Except, 32,000 km isn't really a distance.
Talk again after reaching 6 digits numbers, which my Z/GPZ Kawas did regularly.
You're comparing apples to oranges. You're talking about issues with the Aprilia Tuareg, but do not mention any of them. If you google it you'll find that the issues were:
Brake Failure
Engine Oil Leak
Fuel Consumption
Spark Plug Problems
Color Damage
Idle Issues
Nothing about features that your Tenere doesn't have. Then you proceed talking about how more features mean more problems. I didn't find anything talking about Aprilia having failure with TC, or CC. So it all boils down to quality control and manufacturing processes and materials used. Things that Yamaha does better indeed. It's not the extra features, it's the engineering/manufacturing. Cars have CC and TC and throttle by wire for decades and they're not unreliable because of these.
Also, you're misrepresenting the Tenere as a simple motorcycle. Nothing farther from the truth. It only misses the IMU and the throttle by wire, but it has almost every other modern feature. It's fuel injected, it has an ECU, ABS with modes, TFT dash with smartphone connectivity... pretty much everything. A simple motorcycle would be a DR650, but not a Tenere.
So you don't like extra features on your bike. Fine, no problems with that, to each his own. But it's not the extra feature that make some bikes unreliable. It's the lack of build quality if we're being objective about this.
Exactly what I said in the video. Unreliable bike with a lot of features is nothing more than unreliable bike with pointless features. Never said that the features are the problem. Watch the video again but carefully.
@@motorcycleadventures I think I listened quite carefully:
Your first three words in the video are "features vs. reliability". Like it's not possible to have both.
Then 4:23... models that are not so popular try to attract with new features. Really? BMW is probably the most popular and has probably the most features. Honda, KTM... not really unpopular, but rich with features.
4:55 "That's why I decided to bet on something simple, like this Tenere..." clearly implying that features are the problem...
Anyway... even if you tried to convey a different idea, what comes forward is your displeasure with the features and the idea that these are responsible for the lack of reliability. I think the comments also reflect this.
My conclusion was to bet on reliability, not on features! If the model is reliable and has it fine, but never buy it just because it has it. Tenere is still the simplest bike of all adventure models. Features complicate the bike and yes, make them unreliable. BMW and KTM might be popular but they have never been reliable motorcycles and yes, they rely on many features to sell their models easily. This summer for one month, I met two guys (from different countries) with Honda Africa Twins DCT that needed to go back on trailers, because of transmission problems. Another example is the cruise control. It requires ride-by-wire, which tends to cause a lot of problems on the new Tracer GT models, traction control and ABS might be a problem in many situations, especially when you try to ride off-road. Today, a friend of mine, drained his motorcycle battery, because of faulty auxiliary lights (stock), and many more examples like this. If you still cannot get the idea, there is nothing I can do for you. Thanks for taking the time, anyway!
@@motorcycleadventures Oh, I got the idea. It's not rocket science. I disagree with you, that's all.
I never said that everyone have to agree with me, even my words in the intro were that many won't like what I am about to say. Have a great week!
If you realy want to travel the world...there is no choice: fly to the states and buy a brandnew Suzuki DR or Kawasaki KLR 650 👍
I know these bikes very well and they won't be my choice!
Interesting - once, u compare your bike to a WIFE, then.....it is HIM..... Not that anything's wrong with it, just - slightly strange 😆😆
Must have been my poor English!
In today's world we just don't about its gender, everything is "fluid" 😁
The moral of the story is by Japanese. Now you can move on.
Buy proven machine!
Sorry, but your friend that downgraded to 450cc from 1000cc and is now disappointed is a bit of a dummy.
It is not that bad!
I once owned a Yamaha SUPER TENERE 1200 XE . Let me down every winter although the batteriy was held in good condition. Also suffered with stallion. I bought it because everybody Saïd it was a reliable bike. Unfortunately it was not. Never in my life a Yamaha again.
Thanks for sharing!