Ive turned the lead(the weight of the burdens i bare) into gold (strength, wisdom, conduct, character, power, value) because of my explorations in philosophy, spirituality, religion, psychology, and alchemy.
21:30 I unintentionally may have mentioned this idea in chat the other day. I said that Jung, once you have read his work, you internalize the work. I said that he then speaks to you in your dreams. I meant to invoke the idea of the muse, integration, slow or compound growth. My friend allowed me to see another subtle idea within the message. That Jung was guiding us on our journey inside. Jung may speak to us in or dreams: maybe until we learn to speak, or listen to ourSelves when we dream?
Love your channel sir thank you so much for your time & effort, im learning so much. Just wanted to shower you with well deserving praise for a moment... have a great day!
This is my only critique of Jung, he believed in that things needed to be balanced outwardly, the male and female gods it's a good thing for example, the idead that the exogenous complementary is the only way to achieve balance, and also that balance it's always good in a static way instead of s pendular way. I do not believe having a balanced ratio of male to female gods it's inherently good, sometimes things are just one and holy, they can achieve balance in a non static manner and not everything has to be integrated for things to be good, it's literally the reason you distilled things to get rid of things, not to integrate everything. Well I think you can get my point by now.
It does seem to be a somewhat baseless assertion that balance is inherently good or healthy for the psyche. I think Jung, like many psychoanalysts, probably touches some side or aspect of the truth, but the trouble comes when we universalize his claims and think they apply to everyone. Creative, artistic people are typically very resonant with Jung's ideas; similarly, I'm sure Victorian-era bourgeois full of sexual repression vibed with Freud's theories, etc.
I see what you're saying, but I think both of those points(that he thought things should be balanced OUTWARDLY, and that he thought balance is ALWAYS good) are both misreadings. Idk what you mean by outwardly here(maybe talking about how people "outwardly" compensate for internal imbalances, e.g. how people find partners that balance out their traits, or how someone with inward insecurity will compensate with an outward expression of their superiority, always telling people how great they are to make up for their inner lack; he never claimed that was good though, in the latter case it's a projection that is specifically bad and his whole psychology is about withdrawing such projections. In terms of the notion that ALL imbalance is good, he does imply that many times in his books, but always in the context of pathologies; when an imbalance is the result of a repression of one side or the other then balance is always an improvement. But in terms of individuation, for example, he claims each personality is unique and has it's own traits that can fall anywhere on the spectrum, and in that context "balance" means aligning with your "true" personality, which usually means most traits won't be perfectly balanced. If someone had most of their traits falling towards the middle of the polarity he'd probably take that as a sign of a weak or underdeveloped ego.
@@untimelyreflections Society is willing to accept Freud's ideas as applicable to the public (or at least as the valid underpinnings of psychoanalysis), but for some reason the same consideration is not handed to Jung. Just because some people lack temperamental receptivity to Jung's theories, doesn't mean his ideas are barred from having universal significance. Just because many people fail to appreciate a good poem, doesn't mean the poem doesn't speak to universal truth.
Thought the Same thing. He is a great content creator. Eventho he isnt too fond of Jung and disslikes Nietzsche his structuralist Marxist Views combined with a whealth of knowledge about esotericism would make a great Partner for discussions.
👍quality here. thanks! there is more, see also: "The Forge & The Crucible" - Mircea Eliade "The Cheese & the Worms" - Carlo Ginzburg "The Hermetic Corpus & Alchemy" - Terrance McKenna
If the alchemist achieved a change internally, no matter how small, the material expressed in his measurements would change as well. That's why they pursued chemistry along with hermeticism.
I have the harley manuscript and i cant see it being about physical material. I have the Watkins Published Splendor Solis and i think on my own i may never work out the process at 36. I am doing my psychology phd though and my thesis is what ive called Consciousness Primacy. Flipped Panpsychism on its head. Just trying to bebunk it and come up with experiments to debunk it. But i feel strongly prima materia is Consciousness. The pythagorian tettractice explains the process of eminasion of devine and can be said its though, witness of thought, cause, will, action, creation.
Most Jungians argue that the problem with Mary is that she is actually TOO divine. Mary is an improvement on Helen, which contains feminine beauty but does not raise to the level of the spiritual, but at the same time Mary is lacking the balance of Sophia because she is TOO divine and therefore lacks a dark side, leaving a blindness. Modern Jungians attribute this "Mary" phase of the anima, which is where most modern men are at in their development, to be responsible for the unrealistic expectation that women should be perfectly "pure", which leads to a powerful shadow-image of woman that contains all it's negative traits: a shadow we see projected by many men nowadays, with Incels being the extreme example.
I agree. This is my main problem with the changeover of the divine feminine from paganism to Christianity. Pagan goddesses are still women, the Christian “goddess” Mary is, like Jesus, a rather inhuman character, an avatar of ascetic values with no sexual desire, no earthly desires, no jealous or selfish feelings, no personality.
I always thought of the conception and consequently the birth of Jesus as a sort of dark unconcious attibute. More of a nigredo yet still a still divine in the more orthodox christan sense. A Conicidentia Opositorum.
@essentialsalts would you an episode about puss in boots: the last wish? Writers were obviously inspired by nietchze because it deals with the questions of eternal return and main hero is looking for the affirtmation on life. I cant find any another movie that would go such themes from this perspective.
Dudes, these Alchemists are still around and they're fkng Hilarious. They put hints in stuff like Harry Potter and Pokemon (Lake Guardians) and throughout Hollywood and pop-culture making all those "serious" philosophers look like Fools. You need to put some Movies with Buddhism and Lucid Dreaming into an absurd Milkshake. Oh and best of all ignore all the serieus people on these matters that align themselves with group-related populair ideologies. Read Campbell on Prima Mareria and learn from what he describes as total Chaos State from which "any" new perspective on live and the world may arise (yes there is ur connection between mind-control and alchemy) just depending on the fact if someone is truly Conscious. Because the Conscious one will realize he can apply the method himself. (Campbell "creative mythology").
It’s interesting to me that many alchemists were trying to grow their semen into more spiritual humans by bypassing a woman’s body. Strange ideas like that
...a most excellent video, to be ssssssure, monsssieur... (many thanks!!) "Spirit is life which itself cutteth into life: by its own torture doth it increase its own knowledge,-did ye know that before? And the spirit’s happiness is this: to be anointed and consecrated with tears as a sacrificial victim,-did ye know that before? And the blindness of the blind one, and his seeking and groping, shall yet testify to the power of the sun into which he hath gazed,-did ye know that before? And with mountains shall the discerning one learn to BUILD! It is a small thing for the spirit to remove mountains,-did ye know that before? Ye know only the sparks of the spirit: but ye do not see the anvil which it is, and the cruelty of its hammer! Verily, ye know not the spirit’s pride! But still less could ye endure the spirit’s humility, should it ever want to speak! And never yet could ye cast your spirit into a pit of snow: ye are not hot enough for that! Thus are ye unaware, also, of the delight of its coldness. In all respects, however, ye make too familiar with the spirit; and out of wisdom have ye often made an almshouse and a hospital for bad poets. Ye are not eagles: thus have ye never experienced the happiness of the alarm of the spirit. And he who is not a bird should not camp above abysses. Ye seem to me lukewarm ones: but coldly floweth all deep knowledge. Ice-cold are the innermost wells of the spirit: a refreshment to hot hands and handlers. Respectable do ye there stand, and stiff, and with straight backs, ye famous wise ones!-no strong wind or will impelleth you. Have ye ne’er seen a sail crossing the sea, rounded and inflated, and trembling with the violence of the wind? Like the sail trembling with the violence of the spirit, doth my wisdom cross the sea-my wild wisdom! But ye servants of the people, ye famous wise ones-how COULD ye go with me!- Thus spake Zarathustra." (30. The Famous Wise Ones, THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA)
It's a shame how dismissive EssentialSalts can be on this topic, even when attempting to be fair to it A lot of these ideas and principles are being supported by quantum physics now
ima be real, it feels like the universe itself is trying to sell me this idea. First my dad randomly sends me a paper on this, then i get it recomened on like 5 diferent youtube channels, now i see your comment, all in the span of like 3 days. Can you please indulge my ADHD brain and give me an example of what you're talking about? Im coming off of a recent high of watching long form content, and i cant physically stomach doing even more long research on any topic for now. Also, i am genuenly interested in these topics, and i would like to hear whatever more esoteric aspects Salts dissmissed, to me he sounded like he was being fair, and far from a modern ''i love science'' type, but i dont know that much, please explain, please
@ I’m open to being corrected if I am wrong; but a lot of people interested in mysticism seem to hear about the ‘observer effect’ that is demonstrated in things like the double-slit experiment and make the common mistake of thinking the ‘observer’ that collapses the quantum wave function of a system by ‘measuring’ it refers to a conscious being and take this to be proof supporting the idea that consciousness shapes reality or at least is a force like gravity or magnetism that interacts with matter non-locally.
@@aguspuig6615 Schrödinger's Cat was originally a thought experiment intended to demonstrate the absurdity of the idea that the ‘observer’ must be conscious as it would lead to situations where macro-scale quantum superpositions like a cat that is both living or dead until someone bothers to check on it. You _can_ choose to interpret quantum mechanics that way, and many do, but know that both interpretations would produce identical results and are therefore unfalsifiable.
Never thought the Nietzsche guy would cover Jung so well. Keep it up, good job.
he iszzzzzz... a singular TH-cam influencer/content creator entity... (is he not thus?!)
@@languagegame410 no habla ingles
👏 👏 I am a happy me because I know that this Nietzsche's guy is covering Juang. I will understand Juang a little more.
Ive turned the lead(the weight of the burdens i bare) into gold (strength, wisdom, conduct, character, power, value) because of my explorations in philosophy, spirituality, religion, psychology, and alchemy.
OH YES BRO THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR IM EXCITED FOR THIS BABY
I always loooooooooooveeee your analysis on Jung!!! Thank youuuu
Was hoping you'd do some more Jung episodes. Always enjoy your work Salts
Thank you. This episode is part one of two, so another one is coming next week on the same topic. Really, alchemy is a huuuuge subject.
GREAT job playing the role of honest steersman maintaining coherence within this storm at hand my man!!
Just finished Memories Dreams Reflections, may dive into his Alchemy work deeper next. Thanks for providing some great content for the Jungians ❤
21:30 I unintentionally may have mentioned this idea in chat the other day. I said that Jung, once you have read his work, you internalize the work. I said that he then speaks to you in your dreams. I meant to invoke the idea of the muse, integration, slow or compound growth. My friend allowed me to see another subtle idea within the message. That Jung was guiding us on our journey inside. Jung may speak to us in or dreams: maybe until we learn to speak, or listen to ourSelves when we dream?
take your pills
Love your channel sir thank you so much for your time & effort, im learning so much. Just wanted to shower you with well deserving praise for a moment... have a great day!
Thank you friend
Holy crap, Jung's alchemy stuff is some of my favorite. Can't wait to listen to this one, cheers
I love and appreciate all your efforts and videos. Support from Montreal.
Thanks! The trees loved to hear this while planting and watering!
MORE JUNG PLEASE SIR!
I’m going as fast as I can!
24:24 this is such a vital element of understsnding and mental peace, and it seems one of those most predated by technology
Great choice of topic
This is so on topic for me right now, me and the gf learning more Jung atm
What a fascinating subject
Ur right, tin was mined in england by the phoenicians. We kind of protect it. Its so important to prove archeology wrong.
Does anyone know the song that plays at the end of every episode?
This is my only critique of Jung, he believed in that things needed to be balanced outwardly, the male and female gods it's a good thing for example, the idead that the exogenous complementary is the only way to achieve balance, and also that balance it's always good in a static way instead of s pendular way. I do not believe having a balanced ratio of male to female gods it's inherently good, sometimes things are just one and holy, they can achieve balance in a non static manner and not everything has to be integrated for things to be good, it's literally the reason you distilled things to get rid of things, not to integrate everything. Well I think you can get my point by now.
It does seem to be a somewhat baseless assertion that balance is inherently good or healthy for the psyche. I think Jung, like many psychoanalysts, probably touches some side or aspect of the truth, but the trouble comes when we universalize his claims and think they apply to everyone. Creative, artistic people are typically very resonant with Jung's ideas; similarly, I'm sure Victorian-era bourgeois full of sexual repression vibed with Freud's theories, etc.
I see what you're saying, but I think both of those points(that he thought things should be balanced OUTWARDLY, and that he thought balance is ALWAYS good) are both misreadings. Idk what you mean by outwardly here(maybe talking about how people "outwardly" compensate for internal imbalances, e.g. how people find partners that balance out their traits, or how someone with inward insecurity will compensate with an outward expression of their superiority, always telling people how great they are to make up for their inner lack; he never claimed that was good though, in the latter case it's a projection that is specifically bad and his whole psychology is about withdrawing such projections.
In terms of the notion that ALL imbalance is good, he does imply that many times in his books, but always in the context of pathologies; when an imbalance is the result of a repression of one side or the other then balance is always an improvement. But in terms of individuation, for example, he claims each personality is unique and has it's own traits that can fall anywhere on the spectrum, and in that context "balance" means aligning with your "true" personality, which usually means most traits won't be perfectly balanced. If someone had most of their traits falling towards the middle of the polarity he'd probably take that as a sign of a weak or underdeveloped ego.
@@untimelyreflections Society is willing to accept Freud's ideas as applicable to the public (or at least as the valid underpinnings of psychoanalysis), but for some reason the same consideration is not handed to Jung. Just because some people lack temperamental receptivity to Jung's theories, doesn't mean his ideas are barred from having universal significance. Just because many people fail to appreciate a good poem, doesn't mean the poem doesn't speak to universal truth.
New banger just dropped
Thank you so much
ever thought about doing an interview episode with dr Justin Sledge from the Esoterica channel? 😉
Thought the Same thing. He is a great content creator. Eventho he isnt too fond of Jung and disslikes Nietzsche his structuralist Marxist Views combined with a whealth of knowledge about esotericism would make a great Partner for discussions.
So so cool love these vids
👍quality here. thanks! there is more, see also:
"The Forge & The Crucible" - Mircea Eliade
"The Cheese & the Worms" - Carlo Ginzburg
"The Hermetic Corpus & Alchemy" - Terrance McKenna
Thanks!!
If the alchemist achieved a change internally, no matter how small, the material expressed in his measurements would change as well. That's why they pursued chemistry along with hermeticism.
I have the harley manuscript and i cant see it being about physical material. I have the Watkins Published Splendor Solis and i think on my own i may never work out the process at 36. I am doing my psychology phd though and my thesis is what ive called Consciousness Primacy. Flipped Panpsychism on its head. Just trying to bebunk it and come up with experiments to debunk it. But i feel strongly prima materia is Consciousness.
The pythagorian tettractice explains the process of eminasion of devine and can be said its though, witness of thought, cause, will, action, creation.
Clearly presented thankyou.
I feel Jung again
That's the whole point of alchemy! Rebirth!
Liking the sound of this
More JUNG, YEA BABAYYYY
Most Jungians argue that the problem with Mary is that she is actually TOO divine. Mary is an improvement on Helen, which contains feminine beauty but does not raise to the level of the spiritual, but at the same time Mary is lacking the balance of Sophia because she is TOO divine and therefore lacks a dark side, leaving a blindness. Modern Jungians attribute this "Mary" phase of the anima, which is where most modern men are at in their development, to be responsible for the unrealistic expectation that women should be perfectly "pure", which leads to a powerful shadow-image of woman that contains all it's negative traits: a shadow we see projected by many men nowadays, with Incels being the extreme example.
I agree. This is my main problem with the changeover of the divine feminine from paganism to Christianity. Pagan goddesses are still women, the Christian “goddess” Mary is, like Jesus, a rather inhuman character, an avatar of ascetic values with no sexual desire, no earthly desires, no jealous or selfish feelings, no personality.
They're just blinded by Zeitgeist totally losing grip of the simplicity of the matter.
I always thought of the conception and consequently the birth of Jesus as a sort of dark unconcious attibute. More of a nigredo yet still a still divine in the more orthodox christan sense. A Conicidentia Opositorum.
@@untimelyreflectionsugh I love this reply
That's how I understood it and sure challenged my previous conditioning.
Heraclitus will remain eternally right with his assertion that fire (energy/force/movement) is and always be the materia prima.
@essentialsalts would you an episode about puss in boots: the last wish? Writers were obviously inspired by nietchze because it deals with the questions of eternal return and main hero is looking for the affirtmation on life. I cant find any another movie that would go such themes from this perspective.
I'm not gonna lie, the likelihood of this topic for an episode is... slim.
@@untimelyreflections I know 😄 it's a weird art piece to be talking about on the NP. But one can dream about tongue in cheek 1st april episode
All of the mysteries explained? :O Oh my... We live in interesting times... I kid..
Spoiler alert: the real alchemical magnum opus was the friends we made along the way
@@untimelyreflections Beautiful, can I add, it was the friends and vicissitudes along that way: that made Us and the journey.
Dudes, these Alchemists are still around and they're fkng Hilarious. They put hints in stuff like Harry Potter and Pokemon (Lake Guardians) and throughout Hollywood and pop-culture making all those "serious" philosophers look like Fools. You need to put some Movies with Buddhism and Lucid Dreaming into an absurd Milkshake. Oh and best of all ignore all the serieus people on these matters that align themselves with group-related populair ideologies. Read Campbell on Prima Mareria and learn from what he describes as total Chaos State from which "any" new perspective on live and the world may arise (yes there is ur connection between mind-control and alchemy) just depending on the fact if someone is truly Conscious. Because the Conscious one will realize he can apply the method himself. (Campbell "creative mythology").
“What makes matter, matter?”
“It’s not a question of what, but of why…”
“¿Why does it matter?”
“You tell me, you’re the one bringing it up ;)”
It’s interesting to me that many alchemists were trying to grow their semen into more spiritual humans by bypassing a woman’s body. Strange ideas like that
...a most excellent video, to be ssssssure, monsssieur... (many thanks!!)
"Spirit is life which itself cutteth into life: by its own torture doth it increase its own knowledge,-did ye know that before?
And the spirit’s happiness is this: to be anointed and consecrated with tears as a sacrificial victim,-did ye know that before?
And the blindness of the blind one, and his seeking and groping, shall yet testify to the power of the sun into which he hath gazed,-did ye know that before?
And with mountains shall the discerning one learn to BUILD! It is a small thing for the spirit to remove mountains,-did ye know that before?
Ye know only the sparks of the spirit: but ye do not see the anvil which it is, and the cruelty of its hammer!
Verily, ye know not the spirit’s pride! But still less could ye endure the spirit’s humility, should it ever want to speak!
And never yet could ye cast your spirit into a pit of snow: ye are not hot enough for that! Thus are ye unaware, also, of the delight of its coldness.
In all respects, however, ye make too familiar with the spirit; and out of wisdom have ye often made an almshouse and a hospital for bad poets.
Ye are not eagles: thus have ye never experienced the happiness of the alarm of the spirit. And he who is not a bird should not camp above abysses.
Ye seem to me lukewarm ones: but coldly floweth all deep knowledge. Ice-cold are the innermost wells of the spirit: a refreshment to hot hands and handlers.
Respectable do ye there stand, and stiff, and with straight backs, ye famous wise ones!-no strong wind or will impelleth you.
Have ye ne’er seen a sail crossing the sea, rounded and inflated, and trembling with the violence of the wind?
Like the sail trembling with the violence of the spirit, doth my wisdom cross the sea-my wild wisdom!
But ye servants of the people, ye famous wise ones-how COULD ye go with me!-
Thus spake Zarathustra."
(30. The Famous Wise Ones, THUS SPAKE ZARATHUSTRA)
I wonder if the Christian mystics like St John of the Cross are interesting. Their world views were less simplistic than some Christians.
It's a shame how dismissive EssentialSalts can be on this topic, even when attempting to be fair to it
A lot of these ideas and principles are being supported by quantum physics now
Which of these ideas are being supported by quantum physics?
ima be real, it feels like the universe itself is trying to sell me this idea. First my dad randomly sends me a paper on this, then i get it recomened on like 5 diferent youtube channels, now i see your comment, all in the span of like 3 days. Can you please indulge my ADHD brain and give me an example of what you're talking about? Im coming off of a recent high of watching long form content, and i cant physically stomach doing even more long research on any topic for now.
Also, i am genuenly interested in these topics, and i would like to hear whatever more esoteric aspects Salts dissmissed, to me he sounded like he was being fair, and far from a modern ''i love science'' type, but i dont know that much, please explain, please
@ I’m open to being corrected if I am wrong; but a lot of people interested in mysticism seem to hear about the ‘observer effect’ that is demonstrated in things like the double-slit experiment and make the common mistake of thinking the ‘observer’ that collapses the quantum wave function of a system by ‘measuring’ it refers to a conscious being and take this to be proof supporting the idea that consciousness shapes reality or at least is a force like gravity or magnetism that interacts with matter non-locally.
@@aguspuig6615 Schrödinger's Cat was originally a thought experiment intended to demonstrate the absurdity of the idea that the ‘observer’ must be conscious as it would lead to situations where macro-scale quantum superpositions like a cat that is both living or dead until someone bothers to check on it.
You _can_ choose to interpret quantum mechanics that way, and many do, but know that both interpretations would produce identical results and are therefore unfalsifiable.