What's The Difference Between Kung Fu and Sanda???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2023
- This is the question that everyone asks. Most people equate Sanda with Chinese Kickboxing, well today Shifu Gregg will delve deep and give those who were wondering but didn't understand, where does the Sanda begin and Kung Fu end?
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awesome video!!!
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San Shou is a term as old as the Han dynasty, while Sanda is as recent as the 40s. Both mean in essence fighting. Training as far as the Republican period was based on traditional styles and methods, e.g., form, application, and free fighting. After the Communists took over, their approach broke at least as competition wushu is concerned, the link between taolu and fighting. Interestingly, the PLA does link taolu with application and fighting with routines deviced specifically for the military.
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Thanks for this explanation, I totally agree with you, one style is not better than another, each style has something to bring to the table. For those of us who have made martial arts a way of life will understand this. At the end of the day its the practitioner that is important not the style, think of the style as the vehicle that brings you along on your journey and finally your destination in martial arts. To me martial art has always been about self discovery and expression and your own interpretation. Everyone's journey and vehicle that they use to get to the final destination will be different, but we all get there in the end. Peace and respect to all my fellow martial artists out there.
We are more similar than different. That is what needs to be taken from all of this. We need to come together as a martial arts community and stop the bickering about what's better and what's worse. It's all subjective and we can find weakness in every style. And also find great power in every style of fighting. Thanks for watching and understanding the lesson 🤙🤙🤙🙏
@@AuthenticShaolin I totally agree, all martial arts started from one source and then spread throughout the world, this is why so many countries who have their own "style" have so many things in common, or similarities. When I first started on my journey most of the styles I did was Japanese, simply because that was all there was in my area, then as I got older and Bruce Lee became famous, more and more schools of Kung Fu/Gung Fu started showing up. I studied several of them and realised how most of the techniques were so similar and so were their applications. This lead me down a rabbit hole and although I am not as active as I used to be I still practice on my own and continue to study. The emergence of MMA and BJJ has had both a negative and positive effect on the art IMO. All styles are subjective, its what you take away from it that matters in the end, as instructors and teachers we can only hope that we point the students on the right road, wherever that may lead them, we give them the tools, they then create what they can with it. Peace
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Well said. I agree 💯
From what I have learned, the origin of Sanda is that, Sifu Mei Huizhi, the very founder of Sanda, could not take self-claimed "Kung Fu masters" who are too stuck-up to improvise, so he found a new modernized school. It's kinda like what Master Kano Jigoro did for Jijutsu. Sadly, many still view Sanda "not a pure Chinese Kung Fu". Here in Taiwan we have Wing-Chun and Baji practitioners who literally fight, still people call them 不正宗 (unauthentic), just because they practice in modern ways.
It's very sad. Thank you for supporting our channel. I appreciate you watching and enjoying. I hope this channel will help educate the public🤙🤙🤙🙏
this video reminded me alot of what I was showing a friend of mine from a wrestling background, how grappling was used in wing chun and mantis boxing, the importance of structure and posture as well as how they may play into self defence and competition fighting, "strike wrestling" and "strike grappling" was the term that i found best described alot of what I was showing him.
this video is a very important video, it has so much honesty and truth, always important and awesome infomation, thanks again!
Thanks for the great input you gave. I appreciate the support and really understanding what we are doing here. It is very important to get all this out on TH-cam and internet to help and educate people. 🤙🤙🤙
Thanks again
"Strike wrestling/grappling"...that's such a fascinating way of describing it. I was talking about the wrestling found in Filipino martial arts to my brother, who has a background in judo. I described it as "attaining imbalance in the opponent through strikes, making it easier to throw them".
@AuthenticShaolin I've been watching your video's for a while. Often, there is alot of slandering of kung fu/wushu, but I see so much more in practice that is realistic, I've done martial arts most of my life and your videos describe so much of what isn't communicated openly when it comes to grappling in kung fu, often grappling and wrestling is overlooked In teaching but it helps when someone with great understanding of thier craft shows what is often not taught, I love these videos and hope that you continue to produce more in the future
@Maodifi wow, that is a great way to put it. From what I've seen of judo it has a lot of similarities to shaui jiao, but even in judo, its focus on off balancing someone to gain leverage has a similar rooting principle, from what I remember practitioners of Filipino boxing have a heavy focus on very simple sensitivity drills like pummelling In most grappling arts or chi Sao in wing chun, what's awesome about Filipino boxing is the focus on how your footing comes off on an angle to find weakness in structure for grappling or to cut arteries and tendons with a knife, very much like Dan chi Sao, "strike wrestling" in clinch or cover does take advantage of position and distance, often its learning the fine line outside of competition and practice, what's needed and can be used effectively because what often doesn't work on the mat works very well in self defence.
@thesavant1455 with the support of people like you we will definitely be putting up my vids. Thank you for enjoying the content and always watching🤙🤙🤙. Thanks again🙏
I LOVE that you used Huo, Endi's battle with the Zhou family patriarch. He could have killed him with that last blow but shows the restraint his son, Huo, YuanJia, learned too late. Great movie: Fearless starring Jet Li. He doesn't use Mizongyi in the film per se, the action is standard Wuxia fair but he does a full speed execution of 48 Taijiquan movements at the end of the movie. It's electrifying.
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@@AuthenticShaolin Sifu Lloyd Coleman is who told me about your school back in 99. He was a beginner and was enamored with it. I was a supervisor at Symbol tech at the time. We had just wrapped up R&D in preparation for the move to Mexico. I met him then, at the Lakeland Ave. Campus before they shuttered and moved.
Great video and keep training !
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏 Aumitofu
Great explanation of where Sanda came from. I was on a Sanda team in Seattle in China town while I was training with Sifu Tian Li. It was really fun. We never hurt each other but it always hurt lol. Great, great time that I miss. Great great explanation Sifu Greg Zilb!
Thank you. Trying to educate our upcoming martial artists. It's difficult because alot of the martial arts is so separated and not growing together. Alot of teachers have fragile egos and put down other arts to make themselves feel better and create little monsters that have no clue except for what the teacher tells them. Thanks again for watching. Much respect to you and I appreciate you 🙏🙏🙏
@@AuthenticShaolin Love light and Blessings to you as well Sihing.
Gave me a smile seeing you demonstrating a Mantis technique that my Sifu often has me drill. I hope you dont mind me sharing some input on it altough the dynamics might be different with the boxing gloves on. Something unique about the punch is its corkscrew nature that allows the striker to penetrate a few inches deeper and secondly and this just may be our system is that the strike slips through peoples guard due to its angular tragectory so I like to think of it as an arrow soaring over someones shield. We like to throw our weight and apply pressure with out strikes to preoccupy our opponent or as I like to think bury them so that requires moving in with the body. Although I am not saying thats the correct method only an option when using it.
Awesome. Thank you for your input🤙🙏
As always excellent content.
Appreciate you 🤙🤙🤙
Nice video with great information. Thanks.
🤙🤙🤙. More vids to come
Thanks for that explanation about Sanda. I do Sanda kickboxing or Sanshou before and it is amazing. I only stop playing when I was seriously injured in a sparring. I came back last year but I only spar twice. Right now I spar more in boxing and I am hoping to spar again in Sanda. I hope you can also show some knife defense technique.
Thank u again. I will try to get a knife vid out soon. 🤙🤙🤙
@@AuthenticShaolin thanks.
what kind of injury? a knee one?
Good technique, thanks
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It's great 👍, I like how you use traditional Wushu in Sanda. I appreciate you 🙏 .
Awesome! I appreciate you 🤙🤙🤙
"Traditional wu shu" is an oxymoron, it's a very recent invention.
@LIONTAMER3D wu shu means war arts. Traditional wushu means traditional war arts. Modern wushu refers to modern war arts or what we understandhere in America as Wushu. Going to China and asking to learn at a kung fu school, you would get looked at funny. The term kung fu means to Excell through hard work. I hope that helps. 🤙🤙🤙
@@AuthenticShaolin you're clueless, good luck
@@LIONTAMER3Dnahh you're the one whoe clueless here
The only different is practicioner can learn what fighting is really is when doing Sanda. While the other dont
🤙Sanda is so important to truly understand the form and function of your style. Unfortunately, teachers are scared to lose students, so they don't teach the fighting aspect. Thanks for your comment and for the support 🙏
What's the difference? Kungfu IS Sanda.. Kungfu is a very "broad" term.
The meaning of the word itself means any skill that requires hard work to master. So it can mean literally anything. The term Wushu refers to combat martial arts. It's also a broad term.
Wushu is basically a blanket term for all Chinese martial arts. There's also Traditional Wushu which is the oldschool combative stuff, Modern Wushu which is the fancy flip stuff, and combative Wushu which is what Sanda is. I'm learning Sanda from a Shaolin monk, so I really appreciate it when a lot of the semantics is cleared up. Another interesting fact is the term Kempo is a Japanese blanket term for Chinese martial arts.
Exactly 🤙🤙🤙. Thanks for watching.
Well semantically speaking Wushu could also refer to any country martial art.
When I used to live in Taiwan, I used to say I did Japanese Wushu (Karate) back home.
Thanks for the video.
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Thank you Master! Tell me, please, is there a stance in Kung-fu that corresponds to the Japanese stance Shiko-dachi (Sumo stance)? It is slightly different from Kiba-dachi (Chinese equivalent - Mabu). Or are such stances not used in Wushu? I would be grateful for the information provided.
Thanks for your question. The Shiko-dachi stance looks like our archer stance. All Japanese stances are very similar to our stances in the Chinese arts. We are more similar than different.
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Could you please elaborate more on the difference between sanshou and sanda?
Their thr same thing actually just different terms
Hi Sifu. Do you by chance practice Wing Chun? If so can you do a few videos on it?
I do not. I'm sorry. My style is Lohan Chuan ( norther Shaolin )
Thanks for watching and supporting 🤙🤙🤙.
I trained Kung Fu (Lau Chu) for ten years.Then i started to learn how to fight. The only way to learn how to fight is by pressure testing with a good coach.
Absolutely correct. You need to pressure test your material in order to be proficient in what ever you study. Unfortunately alot of Kung fu stylists don't pressure test and understand the fighting aspect of the system.
Wonderful ❤
Thank you 🤙🤙🤙
I think it is 3 years of any style kung-fu training to participate in Sanda in China but not sure. This training time provides a ton of insight on technique and control, which is why the techniques are precise and clean in Sanda. Thank you for making a fair comparison to other notable systems that have an understanding of growth to branch out and understand multiple ways to modernize combat.
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Nah, you honestly just need to sign up. I've trained Sanda and Shuaijiao in China a bit and my Shuaijiao coach wanted me to sign up for a competition after only a couple months.
As far as Sanda, you can go to any gym or "dojo" that teaches it and just sign up and start. Having other martial arts experience helps and the teachers are really practical about just using what works, but you don't need any prior experience to train Sanda at all.
Oh wow. So, what you are saying is that Sanda in China is similar to kickboxing or mma gym in the west? I watched a Shaolin documentary on Sanda. When I saw it, the head monk had explained that requirement in the documentary. Thank you for confirming that. I always understood Sanda as the hybrid of chinese martial arts, boxing, and shaigiauo as the mma type evolution of combat sports in China. Shuaigao being the grappling side. Either way, I am glad to see growth in the system because I think there is much to learn.
Anytime. Great content!
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hey im 55 years old can i still join sanda classes or do you think im to old. i love your video. i just dont know what martial arts to join. thanks.oh and is this art good for self defense on the street.
Yes you can! I'm 53 and still training Sanda🤙🤙🤙💪. If you want it bad enough, you will succeed 🙏
Do you have to learn kung fu while doing Sanda or can you do it without? currently, I do wing chun but is 40 yrs old to old?
I'm 53 years old and I'm still training and growing. You can learn sanda without prior kung fu training, but any kind of basic training will always increase your progress. Thanks for the great question 🙏🤙
Sanda falls under the umbrellas of "Wushu" and "Kung Fu". Might "Chuan Fa" be a better aspect of Wushu for comparison with Sanda and it's rules?
Chuan fa translates to law of fist. Wushu means war arts. Kung fu means a skill or trade learned through hard work. The American understanding of these words tends to be a little skewed. Chuan fa usually corolates to shaolin arts. I hope that helps.
@@AuthenticShaolinvery on-point explanation. You’re definitely an insider 👏🏼
@@Noir-Force blessings and light 🙏. Thanks for the support🤙
I love the strikings but what I don't like is the pummelling stuff cause I don't get it at all hahah
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Does sanda tecahes self defense against people with weapons
No
It doesn't even teach unarmed self defense lol
Yeah it's just a combat sport
Yup. All from the Nanjing Central Kuoshu Leitai fighting in 1928.
Maybe, you should just say Sanda is the sports combat version of Kung Fu. The legal, restrictive way to use Kung Fu in sports and sparring.
I like my traditional Wing Chun and weapons that I know will save mu life in a real fight. The method of conditioning and tendon training is not rushed but go hand in hand with the body's natural adaptive ability so that when I get to my 60s I'll be stronger and more skilled and deadlier than most martial artists half my age.
You can enjoy hard sports now and take brutal beatings now and retire early like Muay Thai fighters or take it slow and refine your MA as you get better and better. The choice is yours.
Are there any rules or point(score) in sanda with relation to knees, elbows, or shoulders hitting the ground?
Also do you have a video on all the major Sanda rules?
You can find the rules online, but if you throw someone off the platform or to the ground and your knees or hands don't touch the ground you get points. If they touch you don't receive any points for throwing the opponent. Some places allow inside and outside leg kicks. Some have a 4 foot platform to fight on. I hope this helps 🤙🤙🤙
@@AuthenticShaolin Yes it does. I am considering trying Sanda in the future. Seems like a good sport.
@@mizukarate awesome. Please let me know how you liked it 🤙🤙🤙
@@AuthenticShaolin Well presently have medical issues that prevent me..... But who knows in the future I will try it.
Kung Fu what's the SANDA difference?
LOL LOL Lol. Exactly
The difference is Sanda works and isn’t as silly
Kung fu = Fancy techniques that only work if your opponents help you. Mostly seen in movies.
Sanda = A stand up MMa system created in China. Its mostly based on Muay thai, Boxing, TKD, and Wrestling.
Before there was such a thing as MMA or even Kickboxing, sanda had existed since 1910. Sanshou or Chinese free boxing had existed since the Tang Dynasty. The system in Sanda is Bajiquan for military Sanda, not Muaythai, Elbows and Knees are used from Bajiquan, not Muaythai. and the kicks are not Taekwondo but North Shaolin kicks. and what you call wrestling is Shuai Jiao not Western Wrestling.
@@elmagnifico5248 Sanda never existed since 1910 hahaha! Basically Sanda is made up of other popular styles and people like you are denying it. Kung fu sucks. Admit it and move on. Cute
@@iROChakri Sanda has been made since 1910 by the Chinese National Government or what is usually called Koumintang. the main root of the martial art is Bajiquan which is combined with North Shaolin kicks, Shuai Jiao/Chinese wrestling, Chin Na/body joint locking techniques. I know you don't seem to like Chinese martial arts, I'm not a practitioner either, I'm a karate and Taekwondo practitioner, just talking outside the facts is stupid. I also know that you and the account called Muay Thai who commented on this video are the same person
@@elmagnifico5248 Yup, the original Kung fu that gave birth to Sanda ... but why does Sanda look like Muay thai/Kyokushin with some Wrestling compared to their "supposedly" parents? Hahahah!
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@@iROChakri Kung Fu has thousands of styles. while the video you sent is from Hung Gar. I have practiced Kyokushin, although not as long as Shotokan. Kyokushin is very different from the Shotokan School which is the child of Fujian White Crane, but in fact Kyokushin karate has its basis in Chinese Kempo. of course White Crane and Chinese Kempo are two different schools, thus creating 2 different styles of karate. the style you are referring to that is similar to Muay Thai is the style of what we call San Shou or free Chinese boxing. It has existed since the Tang Dynasty, and it has been competed since the Tang Dynasty in an arena called "Lei Tai". bro, watch less kung fu films like IP Man, Taichi Master, Drunken Master, all of which are just nonsense. Start looking at references to old school Kung Fu fighters such as Don Wilson, a kickboxer from the 70s who became world kickboxing champion 11 times. He is Pai Lum Tao of North Shaolin. Please follow his Instagram and ask about kung fu when he is live on Instagram. then there are Cung Le and Ali Jacko, they are all world kickboxing champions who use Kungfu martial arts
Sanda was made after traditional kung fu got their butt kicked by almost every styles esp from muay thai 😂
There are still people out there that think kung fu is the greatest martial arts because bruce lee. The guy in the video is old enough to be just that individual.
@@LIONTAMER3D Actually, due to national pride, they really believe sanda today is 100% kung fu. In reality, sanda itself is mostly muay thai, with karate, and some wrestling. Crazy stuff how nationalism can do to people.
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It’s not 100% kungfu and indeed it has combined a lot of influences from other martial arts. No doubt.
But Sanda is indeed made with Shuaijiao, Chinna, and different Shaolin styles, Bajichuan.
It’s not simply “nationalism” doing. Sanda is actually made with various Chinese martial arts.
@@Muay-MMA The grappling skill of Sanda come from Shuai Jiao, which is the oldest chinese martial arts.
@@martysat2760 Oldest doesnt mean anything when you keep adding other techniques into it. Say, if now Africa has internet, does this mean Africa invented the internet?
Muay thai is the best
Muay Thai is a great style 🤙👍
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