Tokina (Angenieux design) 28-70mm f/2.6 Zoom Lens
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Say hello to my new little friend, Angie. The Angēnieux inspired Tokina zoom 28-70mm f/2.6-2.8. This is a beast of a lens, and I think is a must have piece of kit for all documentary filmers. Anyone doing live event gigs should definitely check out this lens!
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Great content and delivery JV! I'm super proud of you brother. Looking forward to the next one.
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The lens definitely looks like a good one - I've had my eyes on it for years, but unless I can get price AND condition to both be good, which doesn't normally happen at the same time, I'll keep looking. So far I've gotten a Tokina 50-135/2.8, a Sigma 17-50/2.8, and a Tamron 28-75/2.8 ranging from a start of $186 in like new condition down to about $80 where other than a scratch requiring a 1.1-1.2x crop, minimum, it's in great condition acting as a 35-96/1.8(roughly). Out of those the Tokina is my FAVORITE and based on some of the qualities you mentioned being seen in some of their other pro lenses(like the one I have) I wouldn't be surprised if Tokina's involvement/co-operation ran deep. I'm glad to see high praise for the company - they engineered some beautiful kit and its sad to see them doing so poorly now.
Watching your channel is bad for my bank account! I got mine (Nikon version in mint condition) a couple of days ago after watching your video. I have to say: I love the 28-70mm. Great complement for my 11-16mm. Thank you!
I graduated in 1992 Oh 94 was a good year good video Justin.
hey Justin just got my copy and am so happy . Thanks for the tip bro truly appreciated.
I had one of these lenses and it was a tank! I loved the parfocal, no focus breathing and the constant aperture. It produces a great image. But.... I guess I got unlucky because it was really really soft at 2.8 and the next stops. It was really unusable at those stops, and I wasn't pixel peeping it gave the image a straight up haze. And honestly I ended up selling it... Might buy it again someday
Been rocking a gen 2 bartered for at Seoul Technomart for the last 12 years. A mighty fine piece of metal and glass.
Great lens and great video!
This is a very cool lens! I got mine in 2007. I have one of the last first gens, with 2.6 scrapped from the name. It just says 2.8. Still has thread lens hood. They say that 2.6 was mostly a marketing ploy anyways.
Looks good. I found some that focus the 'right' way (non-Nikon way) but they are in Sony-A mount which won't adapt to EF.
that's beautiful! love your videos
Goriza Thank you
My favourite creative lens. The way it renders creamy skin tones and blooms highlights with no filter! The bokeh is velvety. The colours so rich. I use it on the EOS R when I’m bored of the modern/clinical/autofocus thing and just wanna have fun ;) I also recommend the Super Takumar 135mm f2.5 for mojo - even Kubrick used a modded version of it...
Nice!
Kubrick used a takumar .. got a source
Just picked up the Japan model on ebay. Looking forward to getting it soon. Looks like a good match for my 18-35 Art. Thanks for the review.
@Lance, How did you ebay Japan model work out for you?
For anyone looking to adapt this to MFT using an EF speed booster; I thought my copy of the lens was unusable at 2.6 - 4 but when I switched from my Metabones .64x to my .71x suddenly everything was tack sharp wide open, just like Justin’s video. Hope this helps someone!
Hey i'm curious if you have aperature control and auto focus with the metabones? I'm using the same setup, EF mount to MFT with the Metabones .71x and I have no control of either... works great on my canon 90d but not so much on my Z Cam.
So you wouldn’t recommend this lens if I have the 0.64 XL only?
Hi! Can you set aperture manually on the EF mount model? I was told that only the Nikon could do that.
@@Tazio_01 Definitely not
@@jd5787 I have the Nikon
Just bought one, and had it declicked plus the mount changed to EF. Should be here next week !
Internal zoom would make this lens quite useful for me. Previous Tokina lenses I've had in the past have had a bit of bloom in the highlights specifically in the blues if I remember correctly. I don't remember them being parfocal though. That's useful
I could use it with an anamorphic scope too.
Awesome vids w Jon! Couldn't find a part where he talks about this lens, did you include it?
whats the best way to adapt the Sony A-mount/ minolta version to EF?
I've just been told from a reputable source that it was in fact Angenieux that bought the design from Tokina. Interesting! Either way, this lens is awesome! And my new go-to zoom for my narrative shoots!
The older ones are def the Angenieux design especially with the f2.6 instead of f2.8. Hey question, I know you don’t like variable ND but with the simmod one did it have IRcut in there or did IR pollution still happen??
@@nicholasboule5134 slight IR pollution, but not nearly as bad as Tiffen. You can see it in this video: th-cam.com/video/2s29Ek5gaHo/w-d-xo.html
Recently found one that was in good condition and I have been shooting with it everyday - love this lens
I am also really interested in the DZO Cine zooms that are coming out - a lot of coverage for under 5k - do you think you will find those to test
According to an internet resource(cameragx.com/2018/04/11/the-truth-about-the-angenieux-28-70-af-zoom/amp/) only the 28-70 f2.6-2.8 has connection with Angenieux, is it true?
One of the best documentary lenses for the BMPCC4K is the old Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 14-35mm f/2.0 SWD Lens. I've had mine for well over a decade, travelled just about everywhere with it, used in all conditions and it still performs flawlessly. A big mother of a lens, but makes for perfect hand holding.
Better hold onto that one! Now that Olympus is no more
@@JustinPhillip Not manufactured anymore, but you can still find them from time to time in new or almost new condition. In fact Amazon is currently listing four: www.amazon.com/Olympus-Zuiko-14-35mm-Digital-Cameras/dp/B000X1P5R4.
Big Fan Justin, getting this now to try with my new Fujifilm H2s
I owned this lens a few years ago for Nikon and have missed it so much. I also found that great review on Vimeo by R73. I found a mint copy for Canon EF on ebay for $150 and hope I can get it to work on my Canon R5! I'll post my findings on my channel. Great content btw!
Thanks!
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Just ordered mine with the canon EF mount
Has anyone noticed that when on the BMPCC4K and a metabones the lens set to 28mm and put to even f4 when you zoom in the f-stop changes? Shouldn’t it stay at f4 all the way through the zoom range?
Is there a fix for this or do I have the settings wrong?
Were can i get the focus ring ? thanks
How does this lens stack up against the non pro version?
In what mount is this lens available ?
Wow, that's gorgeous!
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So, the Japan versions you show... ATX-Pro 2.8's have good quality, as well??
@@bubblerings Thanks! i am not sure about that
@@JustinPhillip Ok. Other videos show good things, but not with as classy footage as you are shooting... so, it's hard to tell.
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@@bubblerings Thanks! I appreciate that
What about a side by side with the original Angenieux?
Does anyone know of a tele-zoom (something like 70-200mm) that has similar characteristics to the AT-X Pro? I'm looking to buy a set of two zooms for travelling and the Tokina would be perfect if there is a tele-zoom that delivers a similar look to pair it with
Oh great one? What cameras are you using this one Canon, BMPCC 4k, 6K, just wondering. I have a version of this I am using and it's just a workhorse. Yes! it has its limitations. But the look and the fact that I can pull focus with no breathing on a run and gun HH set up is crazy + that vintage look.
lately the Komodo
i haved use this zoom ( version II) for two months, in 2008, very tasty manual focusing, but absolutely too low resolution from 50 to 70mm. this optics was quite hype, more than today. Maybe it was a bad sample for me.
Was your Pro-SV or Pro? Pro SV was designed with elements for the value.
Hi Justin. Thank you for making these videos, I greatly appreciate it.
Since you had the lens on the P4K, using the Nikon and EF adapters, would the effective focal range be around 39-99? Thank you so much for your work
with the Metabones Ultra, and shooting at full resolution on the P4K at 4K DCI this lens is a 37-93mm full frame equivalent
@@JustinPhillip Thank you!
Nice video bro, great recommendation
of course!
Using a 28-70mm f2.8 JDM Tokina mounted on a Nikon D3 in 2022 … love it
Is this the perfect poor man's cinema zoom? 28-70 is the one of the most usable zoom ranges. Constant 2.6(okay, 2.8) aperture. Almost parfocal(actually no lens is perfectly parfocal). Zero focus breathing. What else do you want in a cine zoom?
Rishi Raj Lama That’s the idea
only missing is that long focus throw. the Tokina has a very short focus throw of about 30 degrees.
Does anyone knows if wether in EF or Nikon or Minolta A-mount, with a good adaptor, the autofocus of this old lens works while shooting video on a Sony alpha 7c camera?
AF wont work with an adapter
For flares check the Takumars.
Tak's always look cool, but I'm not a fan of the yellow build-up on the front element, the Uranium or whatever it is
I experienced almost a stop and a half of light loss from 28mm to 70. I prefer my 16-28.
Oh no! I noticed that you get rid of your Contax Zeiss set by Milvus 24/35/50 1.4😂what happened?
Thanks!
Thank YOU!
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I got myself one of these for real cheap, they're nice. Though mine is the 2.8 version.
If attaching this to a BMPCC4K with the metabones 0.64 does it matter if it’s the Sony A mount (Minolta AF) or the Nikon F mount? How to adapt either of these versions to slap on the metabones and still have it function as intended?
Nikon F has manual aperture control. Sony A and Canon EF are electronic aperture.
Is your copy also sharp from about f4 and totally blur at 2,6 or 2,8?
no, i haven't experienced any extreme softness wide open
Another great video - really curious to know if you've compared the angie to the Contax 35-70mm. Debating between the two at the moment - that zero breathing is really tempting me though!
That 35-70 is a beauty from what i understand. i used to have the 28-85 contax, it was by far the most gorgeous zoom ive ever owned, but i wasnt a fan of the push pull
@@JustinPhillip thanks Justin! Do you feel the Tokina can stand up to the image quality of the Contax?
@@heroaomedia mmmm, no. lol. For what this lens is and can provide, it's pretty awesome. But IMO, it can't beat Zeiss
@@JustinPhillip bahhhh! Making my decision really tough!
Hi Justin, care to share your experience with that K&F F to EF adapter 1:43? was there any free play/wiggle, was it tight fit?
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Still like/recommend this lens? I picked up cine modded trip from Ironglass (37,58,85) when I shoot broll for my doc/narrative work, I use the sigma 24-70. Would this tokina lens still be good to pickup?
Oh yea, if you like those russian lenses, the Tokina is gonna blow that Sigma out of the water.
@@JustinPhillip do you have any recommendations to look out for so that I have a better chance at picking up a solid performing lens like yours?
Tokina makes some good lenses, but some could do with a design update and quality control seems a bit hit and miss. If Tokina upped its game like Sigma did, they'd probably get a lot more sales.
does it work with dual pixel autofocus on canon?
Peter Vandall Nope. 😞 The adapter prevents any electronic connection from happening. Since this lens is a native Nikon mount.
How does this lens match with your contax zeiss lenses?
I have Contax Zeiss 28 2.8, 50 1.7, 85 2.8. Do you think this will be able to match (in terms of colors) with the contax zeiss'?
They’re not too far apart actually
@@JustinPhillip Hey Justin, thanks for the reply! I am torn between getting this lens or the contax zeiss 35mm f2.8. Do you recommend going with this lens instead of getting both? Thanks man!
@@renzosunga646 Two different lenses for two different jobs, if u ask me. Depends on what you’re trying to do
Looks amazing, what brand and size focus/zoom gears did you go with?
Originally went with FollowFocusGears.com but now i have Simmod’s newest Simple Fit gears on here, they’re all metal.
@@JustinPhillip did you happen to know what size Simmod lens cap you went with? Thanks again
@@louismacindoe156 all of mine have 80mm OD rings
mine is TRUE parfocal with nikon+eos -> eos to NEX adapter
Hi, so if the lens is f2.6 it is definitely angenieux designer? even if she is pro I or pro II?
You'll only see the f2.6 on the first version of the lens.
Please, definitively why buy the second version ?
what did you think about old sigma 28-70 2.8 DF ex
This is not the second version. The one i own (and is in this video) is the first version that Tokina made. I already explain this in the video. I never used the Sigma. I still own this lens and shot some of my most recent video on it.
Justin what about the version with canon mount? I mean should I be aware of something?
the first gen is the only one thats a true angenieux design clone
@@JustinPhillip it is 2.6-2.8 that mean? Or it does not matter? One I am looking at has name at-x pro.
@@ondrejjanoska660 2.6 is the angie version, if its not Gen 1 2.6 its def not gonna be the same as angie
Great lens! Does it have an internal motor for AF?
yes
@@JustinPhillip thank you. After asking the question I googled and found that the camera has the focus motor to operate the lens??? I am confused now LOL
Do you use cine zooms Justin?
I own the big Sony Servo zoom , but other than that, have only used sigma's cine zooms and the canon cine servo zooms on docs and shows i was the operator on. DZO's are nice as well
Hey neighbor (I'm in Glendale) what's the best mount to get for Sony a7iv?
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@@JustinPhillip thanks bud.
@@JustinPhillip the Japanese version is 2.8 as you said. Is there any quality difference between the 2.6 version and 2.8?
Is the the lens full frame ???
yes
This vs the Canon 24-70mm?
too new
@@JustinPhillip sorry, which one is too new? I was wondering about image quality, contrast, build quality... 😁
Not to bring anyone down but I owned that lens and it has a lot of distortion and very little contrast.
Granted I don’t shoot video so I’m sure the par-focal aspect is intriguing
If anyone has a Nikon z6 ii and is thinking of getting this Nikon mount version, beware, I got a "fee" error message. I returned and will try with a Pentax version using an adapter.
It works on a Pentax version :)
If I have one that
Reads 2.6 with
Bayonet Mount for
Hood then I guess
It's Second Generation
Can’t find these lenses on eBay now
everyone bought em up 😮
Justin Phillip just because they learned from your testing Video?
Who knows
Justin Phillip 😂
Rehouse this lens?
i think that would be awesome
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Just buy Samyang/Rokinon AF24-70mm FE a parfocal lens , and it's sharp as 24-70GM
Low light performance is the weakness
thats why you need the metabones 👌🏼
Justin Phillip for this lens Metabones x0.64 might be better
Depends on the camera. S1H and new A7S III can handle...
its incredibly easy to find the information about these Angie lens and this Tokina. They don't even have the same grouping, people have really taken this myth FAR lol. Angenieux has NOTHING to do with this Tokina lens, its just bullshit people are now using to overprice these things on ebay
Sorry to ruin your day
What is your opinion about this lens today? Do you think is a great first vintage lens?
Shooting on it today! Next three days actually! This and the Tokina 11-20 are the only zooms i currently own!
@@JustinPhillip Have you tried de contax zeiss 35-70 3.4 perhaps?
@@TheGuigotz no, but i use to own the 28-85 and that was hands down the most beautiful zoom lens i ever owned. Sadly the push/pull was a deal breaker for me in the end. but the image was superb
Cine at a cost of removing the AF-IS? No thanks. Just keep it original.
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