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Moro, the animator of the fight, actually thinks that if it was a 1v1 of Bowser vs Metal Sonic, Metal Sonic would probably win! Kamek just has the perfect counters to stop Metal Sonic’s copying abilities among other things. Plus Mario’s more cartoony universe allows a few more Toon force type feats yk? Like Donkey Kong punched the moon out of orbit for a gag. But yeah, it could go either way tbh, but this outcome makes the most sense.
Metal Sonic was the win condition. Eggman dying was the losing condition. The Eggman army was used to protect Eggman instead of protecting Metal Sonic. Eggman could have launched the attack from a safe distance but you know he is arrogant and loves the attention. MS even took hits protecting Eggman and thus was left open to attacks: he took the blast from the Grand Star instead of dodging to protect Eggman again. Bowser himself was win condition and lose condition. The troops would always give him whatever chance he needed to come back and power up. Bowser would tank the heavier blows instead of letting them die.
@@_------------_but it’s all perception-based illusions, sure they wouldn’t hit like a illusion, but Ig a well-experienced reality warper (Bowser or even King Boo in this case) who can actually warp it for real can either see past it or manipulate the illusions with their own reality bending
Basically, Bowser wins bc he has more chances to win in different times. Not bc he would win everytime. (And Sage didn't has something to hack so, she only can be a support here, sadly for eggman)
Kinda-sorta (with Sage); I mean, she could still use telekinesis to lift and throw multiple robots, but yeah; she'd not really meant as a fighter. Heck, you'd find little objection if you claimed that she only threw those robots at Fury Bowser to lure Kamek out, _just_ so Metal Sonic could target him.
@smartboy201 Don't forget she can shoot lasers and create barriers to protect Eggman too. If we get a rematch against Willy, Eggman wins for sure, she can even hack Metal if needed to stop his rampage if the virus makes him go nuts again.
The fact that one person, MORØ, animated this ALL BY THEMSELF IS MIND-BLOWING. Also Among Us vs Fall Guys dropped yesterday. Go ahead and check it out!
Keep in mind, they were generous. Eggman would lose those Chaos Emeralds, the Master Emerald, and/or the Phantom Ruby before he could THINK “Oops”. Kamek is just THAT busted and there are THOUSANDS of Magikoopas just like him and he has an older sister who’s STRONGER THAN HIM. Not to mention King Boo can create and manipulate Dimensions which means he’s somehow fucking universal
i wouldn't say "generous", they counted up the things bowser has personally more than the abilities of his minions. kamek being busted is a side note. bowser is busted by himself.
Not to mention Bowser JR should have comparable magic considering Kamek Is turoring him That plus the koopalings mean Bowser has a Lot of revives available. While Eggman would buen must His Trump cards killing Bowser one or twice, Bowser just need to kill Eggman ONCE.
How does damn-near everyone think the Light Man form's just... gonna appear? Not only do they say it's complicated to manifest, it _required the Phantom Ruby that Bowser had been seen destroying._ ... Okay, it DIDN'T, since there's a _Prototype Phantom Ruby_ as well, but they didn't cover that in the DB.
i think it just boils down to how, for most people, this death battle is the first time that they hear about stuff like the phantom ruby, so they just don't remember/notice that through the whole slog of information they're trying to retain from the fighter breakdowns
36:17 In response to what happened to Sage , Sage became the Death Egg. Bowser Jr Shot the Death Egg with the Wand and It became the question block. If you know in Mario Lore, the first Mario Bros. Bowser Turned all the Toads into Blocks and at the end of the game we never turned them back into people. Sage became a question block with no certain way of being turned back into her own being, a Lifeless block. You'd have no idea if the person who was turned into these blocks are still alive or not.
30:15 worst thing with this, for Infinite? The viewers have gone and asked the animator about this scene, and Moro has stated that *no* , the hit *did not* kill Infinite.
@@aktonio1710 Because let's be honest, taken away the Phantom Ruby and the 'connection' with the Eggman Empire, what is Infinite if not Yet Another Randomly Numbered Punching Bag for Shadow the Hedgehog? And I think that getting his "Strongest Move" used against him by King Boo *did not* help Infinite's self-esteem and ego into retaining their integrities.
@MWkillkenny84 fr. At least he, sage, orbot, and cubot lived, but my head canon due to the ko screen. Sage developed her own army with the help of Sonic to avenge her father
Honestly, the Chaos Emeralds' ability to give thoughts power sounds like Bowser's innate magical ability to make what he imagines happen. He already has something that others need those Emeralds for. And there's also the fact that the Koopa Troop has a greater number of experienced heavies than the Eggman Empire does (Jr., Kamek, King Boo, the seven Koopalings, maybe the Elite Trio, and others, versus Metal Sonic, Sage, maybe Orbot and Cubot).
if eggman tried protecting his army (infinite, metal sonic, sage, etc) he would have also gotten a chance to win but because he cares less about them (except maybe sage) that lead to his downfall since metal was carrying eggman and infinite got oneshotted (he didnt actually die but he just stood there the whole time because of the reason he got said one shot).
Time Travel is from Yoshi's Island DS. The game says slightly paraphrased randomly: Suddenly warping through Time and Space Bowser is here. Since we have no context as to how we can assume he does it of his own accord
@ManicCow idk on the ending of new Island but definitely yoshi Island DS. I got clips from 3ds of the story. It has minimal narrative differences from the other Yoshi's Islands. It's possible it happened in both.
I'm surprised they even brought up the super eggman form thing. The animation for the deathbattle was being worked on before the form was in the comics so that's the main reason why it wasn't in the animation. Since it was too new for them to include in the episode, maybe they should have left it to a black box mentioned it in the conclusion and saying that because the episode was too far into development they couldn't include it in the research. Not that it'd really make much of a difference in the end.
i think thats why lightman is shown in one of the alternate scenarios. that and with characters having multiple endgame states, you kinda gotta just pick one for fight flow. not that it matters bowser, IN BASE FORM might i add, has transformation magic.
Just wanna remind one thing that i think nobody noticed~ Sage after Super Neo Metal defeat was HOLDING all 7 chaos emeralds, which has ability to revive (Sonic 2006) so she could use them to revive Neo Metal. Lets be fair, Bowser died here 2 times and he was keep coming back, Eggman could be AS WELL revived using chaos emeralds and darn he could even use decoys this whole time and keep spamming army. This one death battle is nearly way too good if not the fact how many times Death Battle LOVE to screw up Chaos Emeralds (For example in Sonic vs Mario rematch Hyper Sonic was SAME SPEED as regular sonic + whole super/hyper sonic transformations were time limited only because of game mechanics, in lore Sonic was in his super form 2 weeks in row) This death battle could went way different way, way smarter, strategic etc especially when Sage is around Eggman, Metal Sonic could copy whole Bowser DNA and make himself even stronger, he could copy EVERY SINGLE BOWSER ARMY UNIT and keep making himself stronger, go into Metal Overlord mode but nah.
Is finally here at last we've been waiting PS guys I don't want to be rude but I can barely hear you guys talking more instead of hearing any videos in the background up louder can you fix the volume in the background to have it up more louder
@@ChillinWithTheJs.Guys I've been meaning to ask you after his whole Bowser versus Eggman can you actually believe that Bowser's armies was more powerful than Dr eggman's robot armies Dr Eggman has a giant massive armies of robots massive Titan robots all made for Sonic and get Bowser and his armies still was able to fight robot but they didn't fight no giant massive enormous Titan robots I like the one from Sonic Frontiers
@undeadlink8623 it was pretty reasonable for the time, they still scaled reasonably by including Culex and Dark Gaia scaling in the black boxes, they just didn't do the grand star or chaos emerald scaling yet. It's certainly way less cringe than capping Thanos at only Galaxy or Sun level when he beat 4 marvel super heavy hitters by himself without the gauntlet. The episode is still REALLY good regardless.
@AwesomeMooseSmile they half assed sonic majorly especially his speed and capabilities, there is way more evidence that he can move as fast as the speed of light even said by iizuka san yet they stay stuck on the black hole which is really funny because the boost bar is still in the corner meaning he completely could've outrun the black hole 😂, but they even missed alot of Mario's other abilities too as well as ignoring that his "invincible power ups" are still suseptible to lava unlike super sonic. But i 100% agree that the Thanos fight was BS.
Eggman should be able to do anything that kamek can do. In the Sonic Shuffle games (Sonic Mario Party) he can do anything that kamek can do. They also killed Infinite too quick, with too much ease. In the end I thing Bowser still wins this war, but it should have been way closer.
You know the death egg robot has many different versions the one they showed destroying a city block is just a drone and not THE DE robot not to mention the DE robot DR Eggman pilots in the game is supposed to be a lot more powerful. Final point the phantom Ruby has only been destroyed by another one or one of the prototypes. Well actually my last point is that, why no super Eggman I mean they could of just juiced up the PR to make it work they did the same for other death battles, I mean if Bowser gets chance time Eggman deserves something to! Edit: also many of eggmans newer mechs outclass the Death egg by a significant margin, Metal sonic was described as EMs greatest and most powerful creation for a long time in various sources and with the emeralds actually beats the DE. I mean heck, the DE is now mostly just a mobile base for Eggman rather than a super weapon
Yeah, Bowser and his army is more likely to win cause they're simply better in more areas across the board. In fact, the Emeralds and plenty of other things can honestly get taken away from Eggman due to many different characters on Bowser's side. It's why they even showed "Super Eggman" being turned into a Goomba in an alternate scenario. In fact, the Wonder Flower and Dream Stone are basically on par with some of Ultra Sonic's (stronger than Hyper Sonic) abilities.
My only issue with the Death Battle is how downplayed Eggman felt. I do think Bowser wins personally, however Eggman’s strongest matches up with Bowsers strongest. That feat with Mario crossing the universe doesn’t match up to an attack that spans an entire timeline, however both Bowser and Eggman has better speed feats so regardless that doesn’t matter. Again, I don’t entirely disagree with the result, in fact they mentioned that Metal Sonic alone could take out the majority of Bowser’s army. I’m just upset that they make the result seem like this was not close at all
Check the black box they do note higher scaling Popup: “The Pure Hearts counter the Time Eater and Paradox Prism, as they can restore space/time and nullify destructive forces like the Chaos Heart. These could scale to their multiverses, which are theoretically infinite in scope sharing similar cosmological interpretations based on statements from both series” Popup: “Bowser's space-traversing vehicles match the speed of Eggman's vehicles. Both had arguments for incalculable speeds given equal levity. Both potentially scale above dimension manipulation feats from Antasma, Culex, Erazor Djinn, and Void.”
@@spinozilla2421 The thing about that first one is that Time Eater isnt even the strongest Mech physically that Eggman has. Even if it was taken out that doesn’t particularly mean Eggman runs out of options. Even then, the most the Pure Hearts would do it counter the Time Eater’s sealing. Bowser n Co would still be facing a Super Sonic level threat. They got more stuff that could scale them even higher like the Wonder Flower or Phantom Ruby/Chaos Emeralds As for speed, again I’m not too upset because they match speeds pretty evenly with their highest stuff. I disagree with “Mario moving around the galaxy matches an attack that literally traverses a timeline”
@ I mean Time Eater is his only solution of negating Bowser time Manipulation and while big threat, lack of resistance means it very vulnerable to Bowser’s hax, which they do show off in a alternate scenario of Dreamy wishing away Time Eater.
They made it seem pretty close. They gave Bowser way better physical stats, but considering the army and Trump cards, which were pretty even, it wouldn't be that big of a factor.
@@spinozilla2421 True, but Bowser’s transformation hax get negated by Eggmans multiple phantom rubies. He has multiple, and a prototype alone was able to reform and reshape reality, a pretty good way of keeping Eggmans troops in form
I disagree, because barely any of eggman’s army can defend against magic, and magikoopas make up a large part bowser’s army. Kamek is the leader of the magikoopa army, and even the weakest soldier can transform a robot into anything else with one attack.
@@ohhimarx1471yeah Bowser army as seen in minion quest and Jr’s Journey can all receive buff to themselves but also apply debuff to Eggman’s troop There also the fact With certain power up can buff a minion to be a heavy hitter lvl and Kamek shown in recent party games to be able to transform groups of troop into Fake Bowser, the basic equivalent of turning couple of your Pawns into Queen on chess board free of cost.
Nah, while Eggman's army had more raw power (via Metal Sonic), Bowser's army was way more versatile and had many options to shut down Eggman's army. While they didn't show it in the animation (because it would be lame), Kamek and King Boo had like 5 different options of completely shutting down Metal Sonic. From stealing the emeralds, to preventing Metal Sonic from using the Emeralds, transforming him into a Goomba, or trapping him in a painting, Bowser's army just had such a wide variety of powers that Eggman's couldn't stand a chance.
@@yuuhyakuya3863 Honestly it's even simpler than that to determine army. Based off the canon size of Bowser's army, of approximately 98 million, basically every Eggman bot would have to trade at least 10 for 1 to come out ahead. As Bowser's army is canonically almost 100 million, and Eggman likely could _build_ that many, I highly doubt he fields anywhere near that many bots at a single time. Now that Eggman has Sage to handle logistics its more likely he can field a much larger force in the future, but at present, assuming a generous estimate, I'd wager the odds are Bowser's nearly 100 million strong army versus around a 10 million strong Eggman army. Bowser simply has too much fodder for Eggman to win on the army front, not even factoring in any of Bowser's heavy hitters.
IF you think about it, the overall fight would be a tie. Both Eggman and Bowser are DEAD by the end of the fight. The thing is Bowser JR is able to revive Bowser. Bowser's act of protecting his army through out the fight is what wins him this match. He protects the army from infinite as best he can. He destroys the Ruby so it can't be used anymore. He berserks once his Son is hurt. Then jumps INFRONT of the beam to save his army. His bones are scattered and his army brings him together for a revive and Bowser JR is the one to stop Eggman. Bowser JR is the one who breaks the Eggmobile, Transmutes the Death Egg and even the laser gun. Also note right before the blast of energy ALL of Eggman's Army retreats and thus is blasted by the splash of energy that Bowser doesn't block. If they remained in position they could have swarmed Bowser's bones preventing a resurrection.
The emeralds outscale anything in the mario universe but to unlock their full power a living being must use them and eggman doesn't have any creations to imitate that and if they do they turn on him. So close yet so far eggman 😭
Isn't there also that rule that you need to have a good heart in order to tap into the Chaos Emerald's true powers or something? I remember reading something like that in the comics and Sonic Unleashed.
@raymaikeru this is true, the chant that the echidnas used to activate the master emerald also applies the same rules for the 7 chaos emeralds. "The servers are the 7 chaos emeralds, chaos is power enriched by the heart, the controller is the one who unifies the chaos". Eggman can go super just like metal but because they are evil or machine they lose full access to their potential
@@frozezone2947 This is something that's overlooked and even blatantly said. Also the stars are easier to use while being more common. And even then, Kamek can just take the emeralds away.... He can canonically do that, even outside of Mario Party.
@@DarkFrozenDepths yeah, and Kamek is one of hundreds if not thousands of Magikoopas. Plus in the game they reference with Bowser’s Star Rod, we learn Kamek has an older sister even more powerful than him. And King Boo with the crown can create and manipulate Dimensions. He could probably trap Metal in a Dimension and let the Super Form essentially time out lmao
39:51 I mean, yeah there are more power stars than chaos emeralds. But the emeralds are basically limitless energy right? So I feel like it doesn't matter if there are fewer or not. Are we really saying the quantity overpowers quality?
When have the Chaos Emeralds been ‘limitless energy’? Super Sonic is a temporary form that requires all seven emeralds, so that doesn’t sound limitless. Universe-level maybe, but a single Grand Star is Universe-level, as well. Therefore 1 Grand Star = 7 Emeralds. Bowser can overwhelm with the two dozens he has at his disposal.
It’s pretty hard for yall to witness the “aura” and “cinema” of a fight when you keep fucking pausing it at every good part just for one of yall to say something that gets proven wrong half a second later. “Metal sonic can tank that” *talks about it for 2 minutes* *unpauses* *metal sonic immediately dies*
What says Emeralds (especially just 1 Emerald) is “infinite power”? Characters have been beaten out of their Super Forms MULTIPLE times with all 7 inside them, not even just 1. If the power is “infinite” that should never happen. They can be, and have been over-powered before.
You're forgetting about the popup box regarding the Pure Hearts, which is true. The Pure Hearts are specifically designed to destroy chaotic energy (as seen with the Chaos Heart and the Void, both of which were threats of destruction to the entire Mario multiverse), and restore even already destroyed universes, which the Power & Grand Stars can already do too since those are pretty much grown up Lumas.
Well you can say the power of the Emeralds are infinite, issue is the output is limited by whatever it is being used for. Machines still can only efficiently process that power at lower levels, even Sonic & Crew are likely limited by the power of their own body, they can only contain and output so much of the Emerald power at any given time. (So basically it's an infinite power supply but that doesn't mean you can use the full extent of the infinite power available to you)
This fight got debunked it's so bs 😂. Mfs really did infinite dirty, what do they mean the ruby ilusions are mind control only? They do real damage!. Where the master emerald at? 😂 Eggman not using his stronger mechs? Where the mega death egg robot? It had the original ruby. Metal sonic not going overlord?
Lets run down this little list of yours, shall we? 1 - Infinite got Outplayed. He increased gravity with the ruby, and King Boo countered with something that exclusively attacks using gravity. That is why he was taken out so fast, he wasn't done dirty. He literally got hit with what would have otherwise probably been a normal attack, but he was increasing gravity so severely that he basically accelerated that thwomp to hundreds of times faster than it otherwise could manage, thus enabling it to be capable of taking him out of the fight. Additionally, They never said the ruby illusions are mind control, they said they affect your _Perception,_ meaning it makes both your mind and body think you've been injured, which causes your body to react as if you are injured even if you aren't. Bowser, on the other hand, can literally just rewrite reality to make it so you were always injured, without any perception tricks required, using the Wonder Flower. 2 - Where was the Master Emerald? That's easy. The Chaos Emeralds were down on the field, so take a guess what Eggman Superweapon would be using the master emerald to power itself. A certain orbital base with a massive death laser. Sage bringing the emeralds there later was to give it some extra kick (which is a thing that can be done), but if its not in play on the battlefield, it's in the only place it would otherwise make sense, powering the Death Egg, since it needs _something_ powering it and the chaos emeralds are, again, in use on the battlefield. 3 - I'll give you this one, they didn't really give Eggman many of his Mechs, but realistically most of his Mechs are outmatched by Bowser. Still would have liked to see a few more of them in some fashion, but sometimes its hard to fit everything you want into an animation, especially one as busy as this one. 4 - Super Neo Metal Sonic is generally (key word, _Generally,_ as in not always but for this kind of situation he is) a stronger, and more accessible, form than Metal Overlord and, more importantly, _More Controllable._ Eggman wants to _Win_ the battle, not just kill Bowser. Bringing out Metal Overlord would literally just cause another Eggman vs Wily scenario where Metal goes berserk and just kills everyone.
@@TheMongral And this is assuming Metal Overlord can actually match up to either Fury Bowser, or his massive blast that he unleashed using the Grand Star's power. Don't get me wrong, Metal Overlord was very strong, to the point it took most of the Sonic cast teaming up, and Team Sonic powered up by the emeralds to defeat him, but he would have a problem matching up to someone like the Fury Bowser, who also could only be defeated using a super powered form in his debut game (The Super Cat Mario that he got after gathering however many Cat Shines he needed), with most of its attacks. At best, Overlord could maybe use Chaos Control to try and get some chip damage in with crystals and other ranged attacks it has. Unfortunately, nothing in Overlord's arsenal would be able to counter the grand star powered fire breath, something even Super Neo Metal failed to counter, likely because he ran out of time he could spend in his super form. I feel like once that attack was brought out, Overlord would get cut in half on the spot. So I'd say Super Neo Metal was definitely a better choice for Metal's final form for this fight.
Buddy, this is a fictional matchup. Calling it debunked like you're Mythbusters doing real science is silly. As far as I'm concerned cannot "debunk" this anymore you can debunk fanfiction. Infinite does infinite dirty. As far as I'm aware, him showing up to do one cool thing and then dying is perfectly in character. Bowser and his koopas not only had every tool to win in a way that doesn't feel like it's BS, but it makes more narrative sense for the good king to defeat the petty tyrant. That's ultimately what really matters for me with these matchups. You can bring up all the numbers and fancy nonsensical powerscaling logic you want, and I just don't care.
@@TheMongral to add to the third point, as they said, a lot of the mechs are situational and cannot be used fully. Like Eggman’s Dark Gaia Mech that required a SHIT TON of work to make. And to add to your fourth point, keep in mind, Metal Overlord would have to consume EGGMAN’S WHOLE ARMY. And once it does that, King Boo teleports him to the alternate dimensions he can create and the beastial Metal Overlord would be trapped in another Dimension with nothing he can do while Bowser and his troops kill Eggman. Than Overlord gets overpowered or wished out of existence, or turned into a block, or Bowser uses transmutation magic and reverts him to normal Metal Sonic and crushes him like a beer can.
@@SeriousGranadeAnd as for the Chaos Control part they mentioned that Kamek had abilities that were related to field control preventing access to abilities like Chaos Control or Metal's Bio-Data Collecting. So all Metal had was his speed, brute force and the Chaos Emeralds Eggman had at hand. Still impressive and was pretty much carrying the fight, but it pretty much boiled down to "Can Bowser defeat Metal? And if so then can Metal eliminate Bowser before they can eliminate him?"
People really just go based off of reputation when it comes to the Chaos Emeralds from Sonic. Super Forms are NOT invincible. Characters have been beaten out of their Super Forms MULTIPLE times throughout the years. A Super Form is extremely powerful absolutely, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to overpower. (Even then, one could also argue that Metal didn’t get overpowered, but his Super Form just ran out. Bowser’s Star also ran out, so it’s not like those forms were permanent for either side.)
Super Sonic (And other Super Forms) have never entirely been "unstoppable". Even in recent years, Super Sonic still faces foes whom he can't just blitz through. If Super Forms were really an end all be all, a lot of the big enemies Sonic's faced over the years (From Chaos to Time Eater to Dark Gaia to The Titans) would've been absolutely destroyed. Yet repeatedly over the years we've been shown that they are not unstoppable. Knuckles punched the Emeralds out of Sonic while he was in his Super Form, Sonic had the Super Form forcefully deactivated by Eggman at the start of (I believe Unleashed? Whatever the one with the Werehog was and Dark Gaia), METAL SONIC had his Super Form deactivated by Shadow when Shadow hit him with a Chaos Spear.
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Moro, the animator of the fight, actually thinks that if it was a 1v1 of Bowser vs Metal Sonic, Metal Sonic would probably win! Kamek just has the perfect counters to stop Metal Sonic’s copying abilities among other things. Plus Mario’s more cartoony universe allows a few more Toon force type feats yk? Like Donkey Kong punched the moon out of orbit for a gag. But yeah, it could go either way tbh, but this outcome makes the most sense.
Metal Sonic was the win condition. Eggman dying was the losing condition. The Eggman army was used to protect Eggman instead of protecting Metal Sonic. Eggman could have launched the attack from a safe distance but you know he is arrogant and loves the attention. MS even took hits protecting Eggman and thus was left open to attacks: he took the blast from the Grand Star instead of dodging to protect Eggman again.
Bowser himself was win condition and lose condition. The troops would always give him whatever chance he needed to come back and power up. Bowser would tank the heavier blows instead of letting them die.
You forgot about infinite who could wipe their army easily. He can create a army of metal sonics if he wanted!
Or make a sun and nuke them.
@@_------------_ As you see though he got thwomped. The strongest yet couldn't lock in.
@@_------------_but it’s all perception-based illusions, sure they wouldn’t hit like a illusion, but Ig a well-experienced reality warper (Bowser or even King Boo in this case) who can actually warp it for real can either see past it or manipulate the illusions with their own reality bending
@@_------------_ mhm, if he threw the sun everyone would die, even eggman, noticing the details of how a team fight works?
@@_------------_ deal with it, Infinite sucks.
Sorry my man, but that "SHOWTIME" line got all the aura in the galaxy
Basically, Bowser wins bc he has more chances to win in different times.
Not bc he would win everytime.
(And Sage didn't has something to hack so, she only can be a support here, sadly for eggman)
I believe that's fair
@@ChillinWithTheJs.Eggman definitely wins against Wily now, tho.
Kinda-sorta (with Sage); I mean, she could still use telekinesis to lift and throw multiple robots, but yeah; she'd not really meant as a fighter.
Heck, you'd find little objection if you claimed that she only threw those robots at Fury Bowser to lure Kamek out, _just_ so Metal Sonic could target him.
@smartboy201 Don't forget she can shoot lasers and create barriers to protect Eggman too. If we get a rematch against Willy, Eggman wins for sure, she can even hack Metal if needed to stop his rampage if the virus makes him go nuts again.
@@Memelord1117Ehh, Roboenza is still probably a threat. And if that somehow infects Metal or even Sage then Eggman is in danger.
Guess what. Its the same animator who made Murder drones vs Helluva Boss
Nah, thats crazy they cooked with this one.
Ew
Okay yeah.
That animation was also fire.
@@ErebusX1I bet you don’t even know anything between those 2 shows😭🙏
@@LowFatFreeMilk probably a good thing dumbass
The fact that one person, MORØ, animated this ALL BY THEMSELF IS MIND-BLOWING. Also Among Us vs Fall Guys dropped yesterday. Go ahead and check it out!
Good looks
Keep in mind, they were generous. Eggman would lose those Chaos Emeralds, the Master Emerald, and/or the Phantom Ruby before he could THINK “Oops”. Kamek is just THAT busted and there are THOUSANDS of Magikoopas just like him and he has an older sister who’s STRONGER THAN HIM. Not to mention King Boo can create and manipulate Dimensions which means he’s somehow fucking universal
i wouldn't say "generous", they counted up the things bowser has personally more than the abilities of his minions.
kamek being busted is a side note. bowser is busted by himself.
Not to mention Bowser JR should have comparable magic considering Kamek Is turoring him
That plus the koopalings mean Bowser has a Lot of revives available.
While Eggman would buen must His Trump cards killing Bowser one or twice, Bowser just need to kill Eggman ONCE.
I got the Spy Kids reference
I thought Kammy was his mom? Not his sister
How does damn-near everyone think the Light Man form's just... gonna appear? Not only do they say it's complicated to manifest, it _required the Phantom Ruby that Bowser had been seen destroying._
... Okay, it DIDN'T, since there's a _Prototype Phantom Ruby_ as well, but they didn't cover that in the DB.
i think it just boils down to how, for most people, this death battle is the first time that they hear about stuff like the phantom ruby, so they just don't remember/notice that through the whole slog of information they're trying to retain from the fighter breakdowns
36:17 In response to what happened to Sage , Sage became the Death Egg. Bowser Jr Shot the Death Egg with the Wand and It became the question block. If you know in Mario Lore, the first Mario Bros. Bowser Turned all the Toads into Blocks and at the end of the game we never turned them back into people. Sage became a question block with no certain way of being turned back into her own being, a Lifeless block. You'd have no idea if the person who was turned into these blocks are still alive or not.
Literally at the KO screen you can see her alive plotting her revenge so she’s fine
I mean, we do see her "currently plotting" post-battle
30:15 worst thing with this, for Infinite? The viewers have gone and asked the animator about this scene, and Moro has stated that *no* , the hit *did not* kill Infinite.
He for real could have got back up and help out. But decided to leave the fight
@@aktonio1710 Because let's be honest, taken away the Phantom Ruby and the 'connection' with the Eggman Empire, what is Infinite if not Yet Another Randomly Numbered Punching Bag for Shadow the Hedgehog?
And I think that getting his "Strongest Move" used against him by King Boo *did not* help Infinite's self-esteem and ego into retaining their integrities.
@MWkillkenny84 fr. At least he, sage, orbot, and cubot lived, but my head canon due to the ko screen. Sage developed her own army with the help of Sonic to avenge her father
Yeah, but he was still beaten by a freaking thwomp. 😅
Is it me or are they calling him “browser”
Nope, you're not the only one
microsoft edge koopa
Theyre black, they cant even say ask properly
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Honestly, the Chaos Emeralds' ability to give thoughts power sounds like Bowser's innate magical ability to make what he imagines happen. He already has something that others need those Emeralds for.
And there's also the fact that the Koopa Troop has a greater number of experienced heavies than the Eggman Empire does (Jr., Kamek, King Boo, the seven Koopalings, maybe the Elite Trio, and others, versus Metal Sonic, Sage, maybe Orbot and Cubot).
“You can’t kill Metal Sonic.”
Said seconds before he kills Metal Sonic.
34:01 Grand Star is close but weaker to Master Emerald plus he is Fury Bowser. Double massive power up
if eggman tried protecting his army (infinite, metal sonic, sage, etc) he would have also gotten a chance to win but because he cares less about them (except maybe sage) that lead to his downfall since metal was carrying eggman and infinite got oneshotted (he didnt actually die but he just stood there the whole time because of the reason he got said one shot).
Not only did he not protect them, Sage threw dozens of them as projectiles, and who knows how many got obliterated by that death egg blast?
Metal Sonic carried like 22 Giannis vs the Celtics 200pts 100 rebounds 50 assists
10:14 Ohhhh you mean SML. yeah they changed allot after the nintendo law suit
Bowser's army is 90m+ men. Even if eggman won here, he's still getting jumped.
Time Travel is from Yoshi's Island DS.
The game says slightly paraphrased randomly:
Suddenly warping through Time and Space Bowser is here.
Since we have no context as to how we can assume he does it of his own accord
I thought it was yoshis new island?
@ManicCow idk on the ending of new Island but definitely yoshi Island DS. I got clips from 3ds of the story. It has minimal narrative differences from the other Yoshi's Islands.
It's possible it happened in both.
22:40 that the only adequate reaction to anything Batman Who Laugh's related.
I'm surprised they even brought up the super eggman form thing. The animation for the deathbattle was being worked on before the form was in the comics so that's the main reason why it wasn't in the animation. Since it was too new for them to include in the episode, maybe they should have left it to a black box mentioned it in the conclusion and saying that because the episode was too far into development they couldn't include it in the research. Not that it'd really make much of a difference in the end.
i think thats why lightman is shown in one of the alternate scenarios. that and with characters having multiple endgame states, you kinda gotta just pick one for fight flow.
not that it matters bowser, IN BASE FORM might i add, has transformation magic.
Just wanna remind one thing that i think nobody noticed~
Sage after Super Neo Metal defeat was HOLDING all 7 chaos emeralds, which has ability to revive (Sonic 2006) so she could use them to revive Neo Metal.
Lets be fair, Bowser died here 2 times and he was keep coming back, Eggman could be AS WELL revived using chaos emeralds and darn he could even use decoys this whole time and keep spamming army.
This one death battle is nearly way too good if not the fact how many times Death Battle LOVE to screw up Chaos Emeralds (For example in Sonic vs Mario rematch Hyper Sonic was SAME SPEED as regular sonic + whole super/hyper sonic transformations were time limited only because of game mechanics, in lore Sonic was in his super form 2 weeks in row)
This death battle could went way different way, way smarter, strategic etc especially when Sage is around Eggman, Metal Sonic could copy whole Bowser DNA and make himself even stronger, he could copy EVERY SINGLE BOWSER ARMY UNIT and keep making himself stronger, go into Metal Overlord mode but nah.
Yall look like internet city when I squint my eyes
Internet city lite
I saw a TH-camr that explained why Eggman should have won and looking back at the animation, yeah Eggman's army was nerfed heavily.
Browser?
Honestly yeah bowser takes this.
But I’ve been reading Archie sonic and HOLY S*** BOWSER WOULD’VE BEEN COOKED IF IT WERE ARCHIE EGGMAN
facts, thats what I was going off
But what if it was Bowser from Super Mario-kun, who beat the shit out of the mangaka drawing the Manga itself?
@@warryarusboioh god Popeye all over again 😅
@@Hamantha Yep.
@ Oh how busted is he?
Is finally here at last we've been waiting PS guys I don't want to be rude but I can barely hear you guys talking more instead of hearing any videos in the background up louder can you fix the volume in the background to have it up more louder
Wait you want us to make the video louder of us louder?
@ChillinWithTheJs. no the video that you was reacting to wasn't loud enough turn the volume up on the video you guys be reacting to you
alright bet
Yes agreed
It wasn't too bad though
Definitely loved the reaction 🙏🏾🔥
@@ChillinWithTheJs.Guys I've been meaning to ask you after his whole Bowser versus Eggman can you actually believe that Bowser's armies was more powerful than Dr eggman's robot armies Dr Eggman has a giant massive armies of robots massive Titan robots all made for Sonic and get Bowser and his armies still was able to fight robot but they didn't fight no giant massive enormous Titan robots I like the one from Sonic Frontiers
Best one YET!?
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You should watch the Mario vs sonic death battle next, the newer one at least.
Nah unlike this one the research was extremely half assed on both ends
@undeadlink8623 it was pretty reasonable for the time, they still scaled reasonably by including Culex and Dark Gaia scaling in the black boxes, they just didn't do the grand star or chaos emerald scaling yet. It's certainly way less cringe than capping Thanos at only Galaxy or Sun level when he beat 4 marvel super heavy hitters by himself without the gauntlet. The episode is still REALLY good regardless.
@AwesomeMooseSmile they half assed sonic majorly especially his speed and capabilities, there is way more evidence that he can move as fast as the speed of light even said by iizuka san yet they stay stuck on the black hole which is really funny because the boost bar is still in the corner meaning he completely could've outrun the black hole 😂, but they even missed alot of Mario's other abilities too as well as ignoring that his "invincible power ups" are still suseptible to lava unlike super sonic. But i 100% agree that the Thanos fight was BS.
looking back that fight was kinda trash 😂 I'm a much bigger mario fan when it comes to the games but he's not beating sonic
@zy1an I love both of them to death and mario definitely has the better games over all but god damn it was such a disappointment of a fight 😭
36:22 browser
After among us vs fall guys happeneds, kratos vs asura is next
The only 3d models in this were the egg dragon and godzilla bowser. Insane right? All the other stuff that looks like 3d are tricks
Eggman should be able to do anything that kamek can do. In the Sonic Shuffle games (Sonic Mario Party) he can do anything that kamek can do. They also killed Infinite too quick, with too much ease. In the end I thing Bowser still wins this war, but it should have been way closer.
You know the death egg robot has many different versions the one they showed destroying a city block is just a drone and not THE DE robot not to mention the DE robot DR Eggman pilots in the game is supposed to be a lot more powerful.
Final point the phantom Ruby has only been destroyed by another one or one of the prototypes.
Well actually my last point is that, why no super Eggman I mean they could of just juiced up the PR to make it work they did the same for other death battles, I mean if Bowser gets chance time Eggman deserves something to!
Edit: also many of eggmans newer mechs outclass the Death egg by a significant margin, Metal sonic was described as EMs greatest and most powerful creation for a long time in various sources and with the emeralds actually beats the DE. I mean heck, the DE is now mostly just a mobile base for Eggman rather than a super weapon
Metal Sonic carried!
he did, and I really wanted eggman to win. He had so much aura All Glaze
He could have won a few of the times this is a good back and forth fight
yeah this was a toss up
Yeah, Bowser and his army is more likely to win cause they're simply better in more areas across the board. In fact, the Emeralds and plenty of other things can honestly get taken away from Eggman due to many different characters on Bowser's side. It's why they even showed "Super Eggman" being turned into a Goomba in an alternate scenario. In fact, the Wonder Flower and Dream Stone are basically on par with some of Ultra Sonic's (stronger than Hyper Sonic) abilities.
Im new to this channel why do you guys look like an off brand version of InternetCity?
Discount Internet City.
Eggman v Bowser = Terminator v Bugs Bunny
why tf yall calling him browser 😭
We’re not from this time line
My only issue with the Death Battle is how downplayed Eggman felt. I do think Bowser wins personally, however Eggman’s strongest matches up with Bowsers strongest. That feat with Mario crossing the universe doesn’t match up to an attack that spans an entire timeline, however both Bowser and Eggman has better speed feats so regardless that doesn’t matter. Again, I don’t entirely disagree with the result, in fact they mentioned that Metal Sonic alone could take out the majority of Bowser’s army. I’m just upset that they make the result seem like this was not close at all
Check the black box they do note higher scaling
Popup: “The Pure Hearts counter the Time Eater and Paradox Prism, as they can restore space/time and nullify destructive forces like the Chaos Heart. These could scale to their multiverses, which are theoretically infinite in scope sharing similar cosmological interpretations based on statements from both series”
Popup: “Bowser's space-traversing vehicles match the speed of Eggman's vehicles. Both had arguments for incalculable speeds given equal levity. Both potentially scale above dimension manipulation feats from Antasma, Culex, Erazor Djinn, and Void.”
@@spinozilla2421 The thing about that first one is that Time Eater isnt even the strongest Mech physically that Eggman has. Even if it was taken out that doesn’t particularly mean Eggman runs out of options. Even then, the most the Pure Hearts would do it counter the Time Eater’s sealing. Bowser n Co would still be facing a Super Sonic level threat. They got more stuff that could scale them even higher like the Wonder Flower or Phantom Ruby/Chaos Emeralds
As for speed, again I’m not too upset because they match speeds pretty evenly with their highest stuff. I disagree with “Mario moving around the galaxy matches an attack that literally traverses a timeline”
@ I mean Time Eater is his only solution of negating Bowser time Manipulation and while big threat, lack of resistance means it very vulnerable to Bowser’s hax, which they do show off in a alternate scenario of Dreamy wishing away Time Eater.
They made it seem pretty close. They gave Bowser way better physical stats, but considering the army and Trump cards, which were pretty even, it wouldn't be that big of a factor.
@@spinozilla2421 True, but Bowser’s transformation hax get negated by Eggmans multiple phantom rubies. He has multiple, and a prototype alone was able to reform and reshape reality, a pretty good way of keeping Eggmans troops in form
My only issue with the battle is that I wish Army was a tie. Even then, Bowser would still win. This was my favorite death battle so far.
I disagree, because barely any of eggman’s army can defend against magic, and magikoopas make up a large part bowser’s army. Kamek is the leader of the magikoopa army, and even the weakest soldier can transform a robot into anything else with one attack.
@@ohhimarx1471yeah Bowser army as seen in minion quest and Jr’s Journey can all receive buff to themselves but also apply debuff to Eggman’s troop
There also the fact With certain power up can buff a minion to be a heavy hitter lvl and Kamek shown in recent party games to be able to transform groups of troop into Fake Bowser, the basic equivalent of turning couple of your Pawns into Queen on chess board free of cost.
Nah, while Eggman's army had more raw power (via Metal Sonic), Bowser's army was way more versatile and had many options to shut down Eggman's army. While they didn't show it in the animation (because it would be lame), Kamek and King Boo had like 5 different options of completely shutting down Metal Sonic. From stealing the emeralds, to preventing Metal Sonic from using the Emeralds, transforming him into a Goomba, or trapping him in a painting, Bowser's army just had such a wide variety of powers that Eggman's couldn't stand a chance.
@@yuuhyakuya3863 Honestly it's even simpler than that to determine army. Based off the canon size of Bowser's army, of approximately 98 million, basically every Eggman bot would have to trade at least 10 for 1 to come out ahead. As Bowser's army is canonically almost 100 million, and Eggman likely could _build_ that many, I highly doubt he fields anywhere near that many bots at a single time. Now that Eggman has Sage to handle logistics its more likely he can field a much larger force in the future, but at present, assuming a generous estimate, I'd wager the odds are Bowser's nearly 100 million strong army versus around a 10 million strong Eggman army. Bowser simply has too much fodder for Eggman to win on the army front, not even factoring in any of Bowser's heavy hitters.
IF you think about it, the overall fight would be a tie. Both Eggman and Bowser are DEAD by the end of the fight. The thing is Bowser JR is able to revive Bowser.
Bowser's act of protecting his army through out the fight is what wins him this match. He protects the army from infinite as best he can. He destroys the Ruby so it can't be used anymore. He berserks once his Son is hurt. Then jumps INFRONT of the beam to save his army. His bones are scattered and his army brings him together for a revive and Bowser JR is the one to stop Eggman. Bowser JR is the one who breaks the Eggmobile, Transmutes the Death Egg and even the laser gun.
Also note right before the blast of energy ALL of Eggman's Army retreats and thus is blasted by the splash of energy that Bowser doesn't block. If they remained in position they could have swarmed Bowser's bones preventing a resurrection.
How did Bowser lose to Ganondorf.
Pretty sure they admitted at some point that the Bowser vs Ganon result was incorrect
The emeralds outscale anything in the mario universe but to unlock their full power a living being must use them and eggman doesn't have any creations to imitate that and if they do they turn on him. So close yet so far eggman 😭
Isn't there also that rule that you need to have a good heart in order to tap into the Chaos Emerald's true powers or something? I remember reading something like that in the comics and Sonic Unleashed.
@raymaikeru this is true, the chant that the echidnas used to activate the master emerald also applies the same rules for the 7 chaos emeralds. "The servers are the 7 chaos emeralds, chaos is power enriched by the heart, the controller is the one who unifies the chaos". Eggman can go super just like metal but because they are evil or machine they lose full access to their potential
Nope, power stars are just as powerful as the chaos emerald
@@frozezone2947 This is something that's overlooked and even blatantly said. Also the stars are easier to use while being more common.
And even then, Kamek can just take the emeralds away.... He can canonically do that, even outside of Mario Party.
@@DarkFrozenDepths yeah, and Kamek is one of hundreds if not thousands of Magikoopas. Plus in the game they reference with Bowser’s Star Rod, we learn Kamek has an older sister even more powerful than him. And King Boo with the crown can create and manipulate Dimensions. He could probably trap Metal in a Dimension and let the Super Form essentially time out lmao
39:51 I mean, yeah there are more power stars than chaos emeralds. But the emeralds are basically limitless energy right? So I feel like it doesn't matter if there are fewer or not. Are we really saying the quantity overpowers quality?
When have the Chaos Emeralds been ‘limitless energy’? Super Sonic is a temporary form that requires all seven emeralds, so that doesn’t sound limitless. Universe-level maybe, but a single Grand Star is Universe-level, as well. Therefore 1 Grand Star = 7 Emeralds. Bowser can overwhelm with the two dozens he has at his disposal.
It’s pretty hard for yall to witness the “aura” and “cinema” of a fight when you keep fucking pausing it at every good part just for one of yall to say something that gets proven wrong half a second later. “Metal sonic can tank that”
*talks about it for 2 minutes*
*unpauses*
*metal sonic immediately dies*
W reaction?
1 emerald against the all stars is just an massare. A single emerald is infinite power, so they downplayed the 7 emeralds-
What says Emeralds (especially just 1 Emerald) is “infinite power”?
Characters have been beaten out of their Super Forms MULTIPLE times with all 7 inside them, not even just 1.
If the power is “infinite” that should never happen. They can be, and have been over-powered before.
@@GuyWithNoNickName And again there's only 7 Chaos Emeralds compared to the 200+ Power Stars and 2 dozen Grand Stars which Bowser can use.
You're forgetting about the popup box regarding the Pure Hearts, which is true. The Pure Hearts are specifically designed to destroy chaotic energy (as seen with the Chaos Heart and the Void, both of which were threats of destruction to the entire Mario multiverse), and restore even already destroyed universes, which the Power & Grand Stars can already do too since those are pretty much grown up Lumas.
Well you can say the power of the Emeralds are infinite, issue is the output is limited by whatever it is being used for. Machines still can only efficiently process that power at lower levels, even Sonic & Crew are likely limited by the power of their own body, they can only contain and output so much of the Emerald power at any given time.
(So basically it's an infinite power supply but that doesn't mean you can use the full extent of the infinite power available to you)
This fight got debunked it's so bs 😂.
Mfs really did infinite dirty, what do they mean the ruby ilusions are mind control only? They do real damage!.
Where the master emerald at? 😂
Eggman not using his stronger mechs? Where the mega death egg robot? It had the original ruby.
Metal sonic not going overlord?
Lets run down this little list of yours, shall we?
1 - Infinite got Outplayed. He increased gravity with the ruby, and King Boo countered with something that exclusively attacks using gravity. That is why he was taken out so fast, he wasn't done dirty. He literally got hit with what would have otherwise probably been a normal attack, but he was increasing gravity so severely that he basically accelerated that thwomp to hundreds of times faster than it otherwise could manage, thus enabling it to be capable of taking him out of the fight. Additionally, They never said the ruby illusions are mind control, they said they affect your _Perception,_ meaning it makes both your mind and body think you've been injured, which causes your body to react as if you are injured even if you aren't. Bowser, on the other hand, can literally just rewrite reality to make it so you were always injured, without any perception tricks required, using the Wonder Flower.
2 - Where was the Master Emerald? That's easy. The Chaos Emeralds were down on the field, so take a guess what Eggman Superweapon would be using the master emerald to power itself. A certain orbital base with a massive death laser. Sage bringing the emeralds there later was to give it some extra kick (which is a thing that can be done), but if its not in play on the battlefield, it's in the only place it would otherwise make sense, powering the Death Egg, since it needs _something_ powering it and the chaos emeralds are, again, in use on the battlefield.
3 - I'll give you this one, they didn't really give Eggman many of his Mechs, but realistically most of his Mechs are outmatched by Bowser. Still would have liked to see a few more of them in some fashion, but sometimes its hard to fit everything you want into an animation, especially one as busy as this one.
4 - Super Neo Metal Sonic is generally (key word, _Generally,_ as in not always but for this kind of situation he is) a stronger, and more accessible, form than Metal Overlord and, more importantly, _More Controllable._ Eggman wants to _Win_ the battle, not just kill Bowser. Bringing out Metal Overlord would literally just cause another Eggman vs Wily scenario where Metal goes berserk and just kills everyone.
@@TheMongral And this is assuming Metal Overlord can actually match up to either Fury Bowser, or his massive blast that he unleashed using the Grand Star's power. Don't get me wrong, Metal Overlord was very strong, to the point it took most of the Sonic cast teaming up, and Team Sonic powered up by the emeralds to defeat him, but he would have a problem matching up to someone like the Fury Bowser, who also could only be defeated using a super powered form in his debut game (The Super Cat Mario that he got after gathering however many Cat Shines he needed), with most of its attacks.
At best, Overlord could maybe use Chaos Control to try and get some chip damage in with crystals and other ranged attacks it has. Unfortunately, nothing in Overlord's arsenal would be able to counter the grand star powered fire breath, something even Super Neo Metal failed to counter, likely because he ran out of time he could spend in his super form. I feel like once that attack was brought out, Overlord would get cut in half on the spot.
So I'd say Super Neo Metal was definitely a better choice for Metal's final form for this fight.
Buddy, this is a fictional matchup. Calling it debunked like you're Mythbusters doing real science is silly. As far as I'm concerned cannot "debunk" this anymore you can debunk fanfiction.
Infinite does infinite dirty. As far as I'm aware, him showing up to do one cool thing and then dying is perfectly in character.
Bowser and his koopas not only had every tool to win in a way that doesn't feel like it's BS, but it makes more narrative sense for the good king to defeat the petty tyrant. That's ultimately what really matters for me with these matchups. You can bring up all the numbers and fancy nonsensical powerscaling logic you want, and I just don't care.
@@TheMongral to add to the third point, as they said, a lot of the mechs are situational and cannot be used fully. Like Eggman’s Dark Gaia Mech that required a SHIT TON of work to make.
And to add to your fourth point, keep in mind, Metal Overlord would have to consume EGGMAN’S WHOLE ARMY. And once it does that, King Boo teleports him to the alternate dimensions he can create and the beastial Metal Overlord would be trapped in another Dimension with nothing he can do while Bowser and his troops kill Eggman. Than Overlord gets overpowered or wished out of existence, or turned into a block, or Bowser uses transmutation magic and reverts him to normal Metal Sonic and crushes him like a beer can.
@@SeriousGranadeAnd as for the Chaos Control part they mentioned that Kamek had abilities that were related to field control preventing access to abilities like Chaos Control or Metal's Bio-Data Collecting.
So all Metal had was his speed, brute force and the Chaos Emeralds Eggman had at hand. Still impressive and was pretty much carrying the fight, but it pretty much boiled down to "Can Bowser defeat Metal? And if so then can Metal eliminate Bowser before they can eliminate him?"
once metal got all the emeralds it should have been over, death battle glazing bowser
yeah it was gg's
People really just go based off of reputation when it comes to the Chaos Emeralds from Sonic.
Super Forms are NOT invincible. Characters have been beaten out of their Super Forms MULTIPLE times throughout the years.
A Super Form is extremely powerful absolutely, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to overpower.
(Even then, one could also argue that Metal didn’t get overpowered, but his Super Form just ran out.
Bowser’s Star also ran out, so it’s not like those forms were permanent for either side.)
More like they’re not over glazing metal’s super form
Super Sonic (And other Super Forms) have never entirely been "unstoppable". Even in recent years, Super Sonic still faces foes whom he can't just blitz through. If Super Forms were really an end all be all, a lot of the big enemies Sonic's faced over the years (From Chaos to Time Eater to Dark Gaia to The Titans) would've been absolutely destroyed.
Yet repeatedly over the years we've been shown that they are not unstoppable. Knuckles punched the Emeralds out of Sonic while he was in his Super Form, Sonic had the Super Form forcefully deactivated by Eggman at the start of (I believe Unleashed? Whatever the one with the Werehog was and Dark Gaia), METAL SONIC had his Super Form deactivated by Shadow when Shadow hit him with a Chaos Spear.
@@GuyWithNoNickName I went and checked before you responded and yeeted my comment and put a new one in, thank you though