When I glanced at your thumbnail and title, I assumed this video would be a bait and switch ultimately made to sell some product. Imagine my pleasant surprise when you delivered a very astute, even handed review of this lens - praising its performance, yet critical in why it didn't work for you: bulky size and weight. Well done!
Either the voigtlander 28mm f2 or the zeiss biogon 28 f2.8 seem like they'd suit you far better, excellent image quality from both. A used Leica Q or Q2 would also be an option
TOTALLY agree. I am 69 years old,been a photographer since I was 17. Most people make your mistake. I shoot a M10R,an M10M. For the reason of weight. f2.8 is plenty fast,and Leica lens with that F-stop are very small. Unless,you shoot a lot of interiors,or night photography, anything below F-2, is not needed. AND you save a Crap load of money. My 2 cents.
Size and weight of the camera is always the most import factor to consider when travelling with small kid. That's why the 35 summicron is living on my M10R.
Camera shop sales advisor here: People greatly underestimate the ergonomics of gear. This is why mirrorless has taken over so fast. Pretty much all former DSLR shooters are always amazed when holding a flatter lighter body in their hands. But you need to pair it with the right lenses for the right use cases. Otherwise you won’t even use or even bring it.
Then again, my first M lens was a v1 Nokton 35mm f/1.2. One of the biggest 35mm lenses at that time and I loved it. Easy to grab, no finnicky handling.. it felt over-engineered and very sturdy. All things considered, it was still a small lens (coming from DSLR's). I think the problems start when you get used to the tiny small lenses and then go back to a bigger lens.
Agree with some of the other comments. A Voigtlander 28mm f2 or the new 2.8 would be a better choice, particularly for travel. The Q is another option, albeit more pricey. It gives you the bright aperture, IBIS, and AF which comes in handy with a little one running around. Put a 50 on your M10 and you’d have a great pairing.
Weight and size are such a huge factor for my own enjoyment as well. I recently got that Voigtländer 35/2 macro for my X-T5 and I couldn't be happier. Sure, I could have gotten several f1.4 lenses or even f0.95 at a similar or lower price point, but the Voigtländer is such a perfect smallt package and that's before I factor in the 0.5x magnification, which makes it absolutely unique in the Fuji system!
This is validating haha - I considered this lens but instead went for a Zeiss 28 2.8 Biogon, and I’ve been loving that lens. I can see what you mean - the various times I’ve had my M240 and this 28 with family at a restaurant or just walking around, I like its small size and can imagine that a larger heavier lens would get annoying for an EDC
Hey man, just want to ask for advice, if money wasn't an issue, would you get Leica M which manual focusing, or a Hasselblad X2D with single 28mm F4 (22mm FF equivalent) or Sony A7CR with single 20-70mm F4 to use as hobbyist and personal work? What you use to shoot video if your camera only take picture?
@@NetvoTVwell, personally, I would choose the Leica M. But that’s because I know my brain works that way and I connect with the rangefinder system. And to me Leica make the best built cameras in the world. But everyone is different, so maybe for you the Sony or the Hassy would be the answer.
I no longer own mine, but I second the 28mm 2.8 Biogon recommendation. It is probably the sharpest lens I've ever used and it has that signature Zeiss 3D effect that so many love.
@@HolybasilYT yeah I’m very excited to keep using it and get to really know it well. I was very excited about some of the images I got yesterday at a wedding I shot
I bought used Voigtlander, Leica and Zeiss m-mount lenses for my M10 and M10M. I focus with a rangefinder 99% of the time. All my lenses came to me with spot-on rangefinder calibration. I bought my used lenses from B&H and the Miami Leica store. I would be very hesitant to buy a 7Artisans lens judging by your experience. I totally agree that you would have been happier with the 28mm f/2 Ultron Aspherical ver. II. That Voigtlander will give you great optical performance plus compact size with good ergonomics. Yeah, it costs quite a bit more but thats why I buy used.
It's a great lens with excellent image quality regardless of price. When you consider price, it's probably one of the best wide angles lenses out there. The size is an issue. That is the only tradeoff. It's big, but it's not that much bigger than the Summilux. If you don't like the 7Artisans because of the form factor, you would also hate the Summilux. And while it's bigger for a M-Mount lens, the whole setup is still equivalent to a small SLR like a Nikon F3, Canon A1, Contax RX with 28mm lenses which people don't complain about.
my favorite everyday carry lens for my M10 is the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 mk II. It's really really small. wide open it creates really vintage looking images, soft and with a nice 3d look to them, but as soon as you stop it down to f/2 the quality improves immensely and becomes almost clinical looking so i really enjoy getting those two distinct look in one lens ! And yeah did i mention it's small ? it's the smallest lens i own.
I reviewed this lens when it was first released and found it very impressive optically: but it's quite heavy and long as you mentioned. I think my ideal kit for travel photography in cities, where my gear is going to be on me the entire day, is quite different from when I'm doing a road trip or I'm shooting in my home city, and I think it's good to have options for both situations if you are ok with redundancy!
Mine sits on the shelf for much the same reason. I’m contemplating taking it to Cambodia next month though on the front of my GFX 100II as a dual use cinema lens.
Yeah, that lens is hefty. The wide aperture is nice, but i'll take a smaller lens any day. I owned the 28mm for a while. I was happy with the image quality, but like you, I couldn't take the weight.
Not enough people cover this mismatch of lens size and purpose/fun. As a Sony shooter I love the SonyZeiss 55mm 1.8 but to have it hanging around me it was so annoying. Even worse if using the very deep hood. I swapped it out for the 50mm 2.5 and then even that for the (slightly )sharper but more importantly wider 40mm 2.5. 40 suits that neutral sense of being there that I feel 28mm and 40mm manage to pull off. I love 35mm but the 35mm 1.8 is similarly long like the 55mm. There is the SonyZeiss 35mm 2.8 which is also great but the feature set on the small G lenses really add to the enjoyment.
Yup, there is no substitute for hands-on experience. Maybe a Q might be a better daily for this kind of trip. The first gen should match your M10 nicely.
I've had basically the exactly same experience with my 7Artistans L-Mount 21mm f1.5. It's crazy how heavy it is for the size and I find myself only using f2.0-2.8 unless I want the dreamy vintage look.
I had the exact same issue with my M10 the last time I tried to daily a large lens like this one. I ended up using vm 35mm f2 as my daily because it is much lighter and more balanced.
If you are travelling with family, always have autofocusing cameras, preferably light weight and compact. Don't bother fiddling with your beloved gears
Odd suggestion, you might want to consider in the future: Not using white as the on screen border to show your images, maybe a neutral grey or black might be better. I found the bright white in conflict with many of the darker night as well as more colourful daytime images ... the white creating contrast to the mood of the image, or our eyes sometimes are not able to fix it or balance the contrast from the border to the image, and colours and levels of darkness gets lost. Beyond that, I found your argument regarding the bulkiness of that lens fine and understandable , but a bit of a chuckle, as I back in the day hoofed around Europe on a month long trip like that, with a full size Canon full framer with the ubiquitous 70-200 2.8 firmly attached to it. Such is the change in the market; equipment gets smaller, peoples expectations and comfort level also shrinks. Made me chuckle.
idk about half of the specs that you talk about, but i really enjoy your videos! Xd who knows, maybe one day i will try using one of those fancy cameras :D
Good review. I was on the fence about buying this lens and you pushed me into the "stay away" side of the fence. The f1.4 comes at a price. I walk 6-7 miles during a typical photowalk and I think I need something smaller/lighter.
Maybe look at getting a hand grip? I know it takes away from the compactness of the M10 but it could be an option for when you intend to use heavier lenses. Bit of a trade off. Other option is to look at any smaller f2.0/2.8 lenses? Then for speedy focusing, I'd recommend zone focusing. Helped me when I first started using a rangefinder. Hope it helps, great video. Keep it up
Great review, incredible photos, and the review is well appreciated. The shots in front of your computer are really nice too apart from your lips missing any red, they look kinda lifeless lol
Curious if you have put any thought into the Thypoch Simera 28 1.4? ~150g lighter than this 7artisans, not that much more expensive. I ran the 28 f2 Ultron on my M10R for a couple years and it's a fantastic lens, but my brain can NOT leave the thought of a 1.4 alone. Any updated thoughts since you made this video?
I haven't tried it yet but it's on my radar. Voigtlander also just released a 28mm that looks interesting. The 7artisans is not a new release so in the 4+ years it's been out competition is finally catching up.
I've had great experiences with Voigtlander but the Chromatic aberration has scared me off :( The size, price, everything is so great but it makes the 1.5 feel unusable. (So why not get the incredible f2 ultron) @@brandonylee
nice vid, I have the same lens, I ended up stop using it, too big, full stop only can be an issue sometimes, and long to focus. The Image Q is on the other hand impressive even at 1,4
Can confirm. Many different visual styles available, from classic to modern to weird to wtf ... All with remarkable build quality. Currently using the 21mm 3.5 Color Skopar asph., the 35 and 50mm APO Lanthar and the 90mm APO Skopar. They work flawlessly on the SL2-s. (I can't rangefinder ... I tried ... I'm incompatible.)
I feel the issue with the lens weight can be alleviated with alternate methods of carry. My dad swears by Peak Design's backpack clip and mount as well as their unique strap system.
Am very happy with my minuscule 28 ultron II Kinda seems like a no brainer for M mount when even the “budget” Elmarit equivalent is slower, larger, and has worse build quality.
I had this lens on my M10, sold it and got a zeiss 28 f2.8…. The 7 artisans was super sharp by comparison to the zeiss.. which was weird and unexpected. I sorta miss this lens, but it is way too big. I think I’ll eventually go for a used Leica 28 f2.8 and stop searching!
As far as I understand, TTartisan is a bit better quality then &artisans, personally Ive got the Leica 28mm elmarit f2.8 V4, at least here in Europe can be easily found under 1k
a wee bit of feedback your music was too loud at the start of the video! i turned the music down and then had to turn it back up when your voice came in!
Omg…your images look fantastic, your video production is top notch ….but surely these are first world problems…a super expensive Leica that screams $$$$ wouldn’t be my first pic of travel camera ….the Ricoh GR3 gives you the same focal range, plus is small, discrete and has great image quality
my digital EDC is a fuji xe4 with the 27mm f2.8 R WR pancake lens. Sharp AND compact. If I want something a little wider for the crop sensor, I adapt my canon fd 24mm 2.8, or the classic fd 50mm 1.8 for something a little longer (while being physically smaller)
I'm getting so tired of these fragile little boys that cry about how ''heavy'' and ''cumbersome'' some lens is.... My god man, millions of years of evolution, your ancestors have adapted to much more difficult situations than this, but here's you crying about how you can't find a better way to carry your little camera.
It goes back to the idea you date camera bodies; you marry lenses. An M10 is fantastic; but the lens is just... yuck. In addition to amazing optics; leica has an amazing experience to shoot with; but you lose any notion of quality and enjoyment using some crappy chinese garbage like that. Be honest: you got a dream camera, and a garbage lens youll never use again. Save up, get decent glass.
So glad to see you in my feed, my friend! Based on all the views you have already, I think others feel the same way 🥳
When I glanced at your thumbnail and title, I assumed this video would be a bait and switch ultimately made to sell some product. Imagine my pleasant surprise when you delivered a very astute, even handed review of this lens - praising its performance, yet critical in why it didn't work for you: bulky size and weight. Well done!
Either the voigtlander 28mm f2 or the zeiss biogon 28 f2.8 seem like they'd suit you far better, excellent image quality from both. A used Leica Q or Q2 would also be an option
TOTALLY agree. I am 69 years old,been a photographer since I was 17. Most people make your mistake. I shoot a M10R,an M10M. For the reason of weight. f2.8 is plenty fast,and Leica lens with that F-stop are very small. Unless,you shoot a lot of interiors,or night photography, anything below F-2, is not needed. AND you save a Crap load of money. My 2 cents.
Size and weight of the camera is always the most import factor to consider when travelling with small kid. That's why the 35 summicron is living on my M10R.
Camera shop sales advisor here: People greatly underestimate the ergonomics of gear. This is why mirrorless has taken over so fast. Pretty much all former DSLR shooters are always amazed when holding a flatter lighter body in their hands. But you need to pair it with the right lenses for the right use cases. Otherwise you won’t even use or even bring it.
Then again, my first M lens was a v1 Nokton 35mm f/1.2. One of the biggest 35mm lenses at that time and I loved it. Easy to grab, no finnicky handling.. it felt over-engineered and very sturdy. All things considered, it was still a small lens (coming from DSLR's). I think the problems start when you get used to the tiny small lenses and then go back to a bigger lens.
Little skinny dude thought he’d be cool buying a big Leica and lens 😂 I daily drive a ff cam with a 150-600 sport. Don’t wanna hear it.
Agree with some of the other comments. A Voigtlander 28mm f2 or the new 2.8 would be a better choice, particularly for travel.
The Q is another option, albeit more pricey. It gives you the bright aperture, IBIS, and AF which comes in handy with a little one running around. Put a 50 on your M10 and you’d have a great pairing.
Weight and size are such a huge factor for my own enjoyment as well. I recently got that Voigtländer 35/2 macro for my X-T5 and I couldn't be happier. Sure, I could have gotten several f1.4 lenses or even f0.95 at a similar or lower price point, but the Voigtländer is such a perfect smallt package and that's before I factor in the 0.5x magnification, which makes it absolutely unique in the Fuji system!
This is validating haha - I considered this lens but instead went for a Zeiss 28 2.8 Biogon, and I’ve been loving that lens. I can see what you mean - the various times I’ve had my M240 and this 28 with family at a restaurant or just walking around, I like its small size and can imagine that a larger heavier lens would get annoying for an EDC
Hey man, just want to ask for advice, if money wasn't an issue, would you get Leica M which manual focusing, or a Hasselblad X2D with single 28mm F4 (22mm FF equivalent) or Sony A7CR with single 20-70mm F4 to use as hobbyist and personal work? What you use to shoot video if your camera only take picture?
@@NetvoTVwell, personally, I would choose the Leica M. But that’s because I know my brain works that way and I connect with the rangefinder system. And to me Leica make the best built cameras in the world. But everyone is different, so maybe for you the Sony or the Hassy would be the answer.
I no longer own mine, but I second the 28mm 2.8 Biogon recommendation. It is probably the sharpest lens I've ever used and it has that signature Zeiss 3D effect that so many love.
@@HolybasilYT yeah I’m very excited to keep using it and get to really know it well. I was very excited about some of the images I got yesterday at a wedding I shot
I bought used Voigtlander, Leica and Zeiss m-mount lenses for my M10 and M10M. I focus with a rangefinder 99% of the time. All my lenses came to me with spot-on rangefinder calibration. I bought my used lenses from B&H and the Miami Leica store. I would be very hesitant to buy a 7Artisans lens judging by your experience. I totally agree that you would have been happier with the 28mm f/2 Ultron Aspherical ver. II. That Voigtlander will give you great optical performance plus compact size with good ergonomics. Yeah, it costs quite a bit more but thats why I buy used.
It's a great lens with excellent image quality regardless of price. When you consider price, it's probably one of the best wide angles lenses out there.
The size is an issue. That is the only tradeoff. It's big, but it's not that much bigger than the Summilux. If you don't like the 7Artisans because of the form factor, you would also hate the Summilux. And while it's bigger for a M-Mount lens, the whole setup is still equivalent to a small SLR like a Nikon F3, Canon A1, Contax RX with 28mm lenses which people don't complain about.
I completely agree. IQ does not matter if you can't handle your rangefinder.
Your sample photos were beautifully composed!
my favorite everyday carry lens for my M10 is the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 mk II. It's really really small. wide open it creates really vintage looking images, soft and with a nice 3d look to them, but as soon as you stop it down to f/2 the quality improves immensely and becomes almost clinical looking so i really enjoy getting those two distinct look in one lens ! And yeah did i mention it's small ? it's the smallest lens i own.
What an informative video, where would I be without Brandon videos to enlighten me on the world of photography
I reviewed this lens when it was first released and found it very impressive optically: but it's quite heavy and long as you mentioned. I think my ideal kit for travel photography in cities, where my gear is going to be on me the entire day, is quite different from when I'm doing a road trip or I'm shooting in my home city, and I think it's good to have options for both situations if you are ok with redundancy!
Mine sits on the shelf for much the same reason. I’m contemplating taking it to Cambodia next month though on the front of my GFX 100II as a dual use cinema lens.
Yeah, that lens is hefty. The wide aperture is nice, but i'll take a smaller lens any day. I owned the 28mm for a while. I was happy with the image quality, but like you, I couldn't take the weight.
Not enough people cover this mismatch of lens size and purpose/fun. As a Sony shooter I love the SonyZeiss 55mm 1.8 but to have it hanging around me it was so annoying. Even worse if using the very deep hood. I swapped it out for the 50mm 2.5 and then even that for the (slightly )sharper but more importantly wider 40mm 2.5. 40 suits that neutral sense of being there that I feel 28mm and 40mm manage to pull off. I love 35mm but the 35mm 1.8 is similarly long like the 55mm. There is the SonyZeiss 35mm 2.8 which is also great but the feature set on the small G lenses really add to the enjoyment.
Voigtlander 28mm f2 ultron v2 would suit you perfectly.
Another top tier video!
Thanks Brandon!
Yup, there is no substitute for hands-on experience. Maybe a Q might be a better daily for this kind of trip. The first gen should match your M10 nicely.
I've had basically the exactly same experience with my 7Artistans L-Mount 21mm f1.5. It's crazy how heavy it is for the size and I find myself only using f2.0-2.8 unless I want the dreamy vintage look.
Great video Brandon! Keep the content coming!!
Hey Brandon would this lens work on a Fuji X100T thanks!
@@zacharywilson2571 the fuji x100t is a fixed lens camera which can not be interchanged
I had the exact same issue with my M10 the last time I tried to daily a large lens like this one. I ended up using vm 35mm f2 as my daily because it is much lighter and more balanced.
You have better option is Voigtlander 28 F2 II or 28 F2.8 pan cake size.
If you are travelling with family, always have autofocusing cameras, preferably light weight and compact. Don't bother fiddling with your beloved gears
Odd suggestion, you might want to consider in the future:
Not using white as the on screen border to show your images, maybe a neutral grey or black might be better.
I found the bright white in conflict with many of the darker night as well as more colourful daytime images ... the white creating contrast to the mood of the image, or our eyes sometimes are not able to fix it or balance the contrast from the border to the image, and colours and levels of darkness gets lost.
Beyond that, I found your argument regarding the bulkiness of that lens fine and understandable , but a bit of a chuckle, as I back in the day hoofed around Europe on a month long trip like that, with a full size Canon full framer with the ubiquitous 70-200 2.8 firmly attached to it. Such is the change in the market; equipment gets smaller, peoples expectations and comfort level also shrinks. Made me chuckle.
Man, some of those shots are really really good, most of them, maybe the editing enhances them big time, but they looked top notch.
Would love to see more videos. I’m a Nikon shooter and still enjoy your content so much.
Did you consider the Leica Elmarit-M 2,8/28mm? It's pretty compact and light and affordable used.
- I been all over Europe.
- Where exactly you been?
- France and Spain
😂😂
idk about half of the specs that you talk about, but i really enjoy your videos! Xd who knows, maybe one day i will try using one of those fancy cameras :D
Good review. I was on the fence about buying this lens and you pushed me into the "stay away" side of the fence. The f1.4 comes at a price. I walk 6-7 miles during a typical photowalk and I think I need something smaller/lighter.
Maybe look at getting a hand grip? I know it takes away from the compactness of the M10 but it could be an option for when you intend to use heavier lenses. Bit of a trade off. Other option is to look at any smaller f2.0/2.8 lenses? Then for speedy focusing, I'd recommend zone focusing. Helped me when I first started using a rangefinder. Hope it helps, great video. Keep it up
what's a good beginner camera for someone that wants to start a youtube channel? Other than a phone camera.
Great review, incredible photos, and the review is well appreciated. The shots in front of your computer are really nice too apart from your lips missing any red, they look kinda lifeless lol
I think I am too deep in but I think $430 is super cheap for a lens. Although I wouldn’t give up my 16-35 for anything.
Thanks for the review Brandon!!
Curious if you have put any thought into the Thypoch Simera 28 1.4? ~150g lighter than this 7artisans, not that much more expensive.
I ran the 28 f2 Ultron on my M10R for a couple years and it's a fantastic lens, but my brain can NOT leave the thought of a 1.4 alone. Any updated thoughts since you made this video?
I haven't tried it yet but it's on my radar. Voigtlander also just released a 28mm that looks interesting. The 7artisans is not a new release so in the 4+ years it's been out competition is finally catching up.
I've had great experiences with Voigtlander but the Chromatic aberration has scared me off :( The size, price, everything is so great but it makes the 1.5 feel unusable. (So why not get the incredible f2 ultron) @@brandonylee
Yes, it is a honking big lens. That is a negative for sure. I like my small Canon 28mm f/2.8 LTM because it is such a good lens and also so small.
I have the canon 25… good from 5.6 onwards but terrible wide open
nice vid, I have the same lens, I ended up stop using it, too big, full stop only can be an issue sometimes, and long to focus. The Image Q is on the other hand impressive even at 1,4
As a 40 year Leica shooter.... if you want "cheap" lenses.... go Voigtländer... the 40mm for example weights nothing and costs nothing....
Can confirm. Many different visual styles available, from classic to modern to weird to wtf ... All with remarkable build quality. Currently using the 21mm 3.5 Color Skopar asph., the 35 and 50mm APO Lanthar and the 90mm APO Skopar. They work flawlessly on the SL2-s. (I can't rangefinder ... I tried ... I'm incompatible.)
Love all of your content, thanks for pointing us towards more affordable options on the market!
I feel the issue with the lens weight can be alleviated with alternate methods of carry. My dad swears by Peak Design's backpack clip and mount as well as their unique strap system.
I think mostly you should consider a grip to be more comfortable with that weight. Also yea, using 28mm for the first time it can be “unique”.
Am very happy with my minuscule 28 ultron II
Kinda seems like a no brainer for M mount when even the “budget” Elmarit equivalent is slower, larger, and has worse build quality.
Voigtlander and Zeiss are more in line with Leica regarding build and image quality.
Hi Brandon,
Have you tried this lens on GFX ?
Thanks a lot !
I haven't! I imagine it probably wouldn't resolve as well as you would hope on a 100MP sensor but that is just a guess.
Thanks for your feedback, @@brandonylee !
What viewfinder attachment is that?
I had this lens on my M10, sold it and got a zeiss 28 f2.8…. The 7 artisans was super sharp by comparison to the zeiss.. which was weird and unexpected. I sorta miss this lens, but it is way too big. I think I’ll eventually go for a used Leica 28 f2.8 and stop searching!
I have the 28mm,f2.8 lens. Use it a lot and enjoy it. Cameras with high ISO’s give excellent pics these days.
As far as I understand, TTartisan is a bit better quality then &artisans, personally Ive got the Leica 28mm elmarit f2.8 V4, at least here in Europe can be easily found under 1k
Great conclusion, to be repeat !
woah. got to get them photos before others get em. LoL
thanks for spotlighting a more affordable lens option for us broke folk
mans fallen into the leica hole
yet still obsessed with cheap fast aperture lenses
owned it, loved it, but it was killing my neck so badly....
Video is great but audio feels hollow just a heads up jarring when watching other videos before this one
a wee bit of feedback your music was too loud at the start of the video! i turned the music down and then had to turn it back up when your voice came in!
Woohoo. Regardless of the size, I love your pictures. Beautifully composed images.
I appreciate the comment! Thank you!
imagine criticising the weight of a budget f1.4 lens
Next time buy it used. Then you can unload it for minimal loss
Omg…your images look fantastic, your video production is top notch ….but surely these are first world problems…a super expensive Leica that screams $$$$ wouldn’t be my first pic of travel camera ….the Ricoh GR3 gives you the same focal range, plus is small, discrete and has great image quality
my digital EDC is a fuji xe4 with the 27mm f2.8 R WR pancake lens. Sharp AND compact. If I want something a little wider for the crop sensor, I adapt my canon fd 24mm 2.8, or the classic fd 50mm 1.8 for something a little longer (while being physically smaller)
OMG Portugal. Let's goooooo. Viva a Portugal caralho
Great thorough video! Your assessment is fair and helpful 👍 Thank you! 🙏
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nothing wrong with the camera, the photos are the problem
Such a terrible camera and system. So niche
I'm getting so tired of these fragile little boys that cry about how ''heavy'' and ''cumbersome'' some lens is.... My god man, millions of years of evolution, your ancestors have adapted to much more difficult situations than this, but here's you crying about how you can't find a better way to carry your little camera.
Wtf is this. Dude buys a $8000 camera and complains because the $500 lens sucks. “Don’t recommend channel” check…
It goes back to the idea you date camera bodies; you marry lenses.
An M10 is fantastic; but the lens is just... yuck. In addition to amazing optics; leica has an amazing experience to shoot with; but you lose any notion of quality and enjoyment using some crappy chinese garbage like that. Be honest: you got a dream camera, and a garbage lens youll never use again. Save up, get decent glass.