NOKTON vs SIMERA - Voigtländer or Thypoch 28mm?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ม.ค. 2024
- Shortly after Thypoch came out with the Simera 28mm 1.4 ASPH lens, Voigtländer released a Nokton 28mm 1.5 ASPH. Naturally we were all curious how these two lenses compare. So, let's do that in this video :-)
Which one you like better?
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#streetphotography #voigtlander #thypoch
Hello, I am a Chinese viewer. I think the biggest problem with some Chinese M-mount lenses is their pricing strategy. Voigtlander's lenses will generally gradually drop below their recommended selling price, but Chinese brands will strictly control the ex-factory price. At the same time, since most of the M-mount lenses made in China are made by "enthusiasts" with crowdfunding, I think the reliability and quality control may be a little weak. Anyway, I am still very happy to see Chinese products or brands on TH-cam. I hope they will do better and better in the future.
I bought the Thypoch 28mm 1.4 after your review and am using it on my Black Magic 6k full-frame. It is super sharp, wide open, and has smooth bokeh. I had a little difficulty mounting a focus ring on the lens due to the infinity lock, but I was able to get it to work. Thank you.
The was an amazing video and informative. The 28s I’ve been looking at!
Love your video comparison. Would purple fringing be a big issue ? I am leaning more on the Voigtlander.
Very helpful video! I prefer the look on Thypoch, and I hope they can fix the focus scale on their production units.
Thanks for this one, this is the comparison I’ve been waiting for.
Used the Thypoch 28mm on Leica M11 for a bunch of photos yesterday (close-up cherry blossoms and so on), so I am reporting what I noticed.
Let me say that I love the 'retro' design of the Simera, the lens hood and the dual-click design. Mine is a black Simera on a black leica M11-P.
1) The red dots are not easy to see at night and in shadow. (red dots on black body. Perhaps silver body maybe better?)
2) No sun star? (unlike Voigtlander lenses) -- perhaps it is just very difficult to get sunstar and not impossible??
3) Simera overfocuses on maximum infinity!!
The last one really irks me: I have heard from Lintaro's episodes that the focus distance scale on his Simera was bad (when he adapted the lens, last episode). In this episode, he tried a better ($$$) adapter that seemed to have corrected the infinity focus. (Lucky you, Samuel!)
On the Leica M, I found the sharpest infinity focus to be at "just before infinity" -- meaning I have to dial back the lens from infinity.
BUT there's a problem: Simera has an infinity lock pin! I can't turn the lens to infinity and then dial it back a bit like other (voigtlander) lenses because once the Simera reaches infinity, it will lock up! I must then push on the pin to unlock the lens if I want to dial back on the focus. Upon comparison with photos shot at infinity and "just before infinity", the photos at infinity is softer. This may explain why MrLeica reported that the Voigtlander 28mm f1.5 Nokton and f2 Ultron are both sharper than the Simera 28mm (at infinity). I reckon if he dialed the Simera back a little, the sharpness at just-before-infinity would be better.
I just ordered a used VC 28mm f1.5 Nokton -- arriving tomorrow. The used VC 28mm is $799, just $100 more than the Simera -- making the gap between the two lenses negligible. Yes, there will be stronger CAs in the VC (will need LR correction) but at least I will get back the sun stars. I will report back and let you know if the VC focused sharpest at infinity (as expected), or just before infinity like the Simera.
The VC 28mm f2 Ultron is still the best in this price range. The Zeiss 28mm f2.8 beats them all but at a price.
This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for.I think Thypoch is good choice.
Thank you so much for making this video
just what i wanted to see, personally i like the rendering of the Typoch more
Thanks for the vid!
I posted a (pre)fire ode to the CV, but the Thypoch is actually very good - especially if you look at the CA.
Not a fan of the Thypoch “gimmick” distance scale, but it is a very good lens. The CV has the sexy bragging rights, but sometimes it is the other girl that surprises you!
tl;dr: To me the difference is so minimal that you could just pick the cheaper one.
From my personal point of view, the Voigtländer also has some annoying CA with the purple fringes but I prefer that it maintains a little bit more detail in the out-of-focus areas. The Thypoch one is a lot smoother there in comparison but I also feel that it has the better sharpness in the in-focus areas. The slightly higher compactness of the Voigtländer on the other hand might be preferred by others but for me (someone using solely Minolta AF lenses on a modern Sony) it wouldn't be *that* important. The difference is minor and given that the Voigtländer costs more than one thousand €, I'd be inclined to pick the Thypoch if I was searching for a new 28mm lens.
Great stuff. Thanks.
Thank you.... most informative
Ist der Focus-Stop ein Hindernis bei der Bedienung? Bei der digitalen M habe ich das Problem, dass der F-Stop bei alten Leica-Linsen den 6-Bit Sensor irgendwie so stört, dass ein Live-View verhindert wird. Hast du da Erfahrungen? Ansonsten sehr sympathisch, weil praxisnah und unkompliziert.
Thanks for this. I picked up the Voigtlander but knew of the Thypoch and wasn't sure if I'd made the right choice. I'm still not but at least I know it's neck and neck. I like the look of the Thypoch wide open, those extra aperture blades make a difference but the Voigtlander isn't far off and I do like the handling of it...
Swapped to the Thypoch, it's a great lens. Still undecided which I prefer, both are fantastic. 🤷🏻♂️
does the infinity stop match the nikon with the simera?
What about the Ultron VM 2.0? Obviously not the same thing but cheaper and more compact if f/2.0 is sufficient
Bought the Thypoch 28mm 1.4 after your review..... love the lens on the Nikon ZF.... super sharp and smooth pictures all the wy to the edges,... thank you Sam.
what adapter do you use?
So little in it huh. Seems like you would be able to equalise them in Lightroom pretty easy seeing as fringing is one of the easier abberations to fix in post.
14:04 Regarding micro contrast, Voigtlander is noticeably better, isn‘t it?
I’ve been very happy with my Voigtlander type 1. I prefer the lighter weight. Using it on m10r.
28mm is my favorite for street, but I don't need 1.4. My data shows that I am 95% somewhere between f8-f11. But for those who shoot a lot in poor light and want thin DOF, this must be right.
Actually, I am most interested in the Voigtlander color scopar 18mm 2.8 for Fujifilm.
Thanks
wow, that color abberation on Voigtlander is just huuuuuuuuuuuge, especially on the out of focus zone, kinda change the color of white sky and car actually.....
“Moneyshot. Not much of a smile, but it will do.” 😂
Crazy that the difference between 1,4 and 1,5 is so noticeable. Maybe they are both not really accurate in their specification. The CA alone on the Voigt alone disqualifies it for me but I’m glad it’s at least sharp wide open which isn’t a given on Voigtländer „character lenses“.
The CA was all I needed to see. And the bokeh difference was not expected. After watching this review, the Thypoch is the "better" lens. However, both are awesome.
It looks like it was raining, side comment but how did the x-s20 hold up while filming in the rain? (Since it isn’t weather resistant)
Btw, full body with bokeh is 🔥
Can u remove the focus tab on the Voigtländer? I want to 3d print a Focus gear ring as I wanna use it also for filming…
Very nice video, and I don’t mind chromatic aberration as most vintage lenses have some form of it
You cannot remove the focus tab on either lens as far as I know.
I will see more lenses from Thypoch. I like that look and build quality. Maybe they bring something for Fuji X mount. Without Adapters.
And give the mediocre Fuji x Voigtländer lenses a run for their money
The difference between the lenses is so minuscule that it’s hard to decide which one is better.
I think voigtländer will release z mount version later on, and that will be deciding factor for me
Morgen Samuel! 😃😃
Thanks!
How much is the Voigtlander
Hey, thanks for the comparison.
Not an easy decision. I was about to buy the Voigtländer last week but held off. The chromatic aberrations look really bad. I would want to see more samples to judge this better. Size differences for an f1.4/f1.5 lens are not that relevant I think. Any wanting a compact 28mm would not buy either of these lenses - I have the 28mm Elmarit for that anyway. And both lenses are smaller than the Summilux by a large stretch anyway. I might go with the Thypoch. I am actually surprised!
I echo your thoughts exactly.
Very odd for me that your Voigtlander M-to-Z adapter gives you "almost perfect" infinity calibration. My experience with that exact same adapter is the opposite: on some lenses I cannot accurately focus to infinity. Worst culprit is the ZM 35mm f/1.4 Distagon. Cannot use it for landscapes/cityscapes as there is always a slight blurring of outlines at, say, 100 or 200 meters (tree crests, buildings, etc). Works perfectly with Novoflex adaptor, so the lens is not the culprit. Some lenses have their hard stop very slightly beyond infinity to allow for thermal expansion, but the ZM 35 does not give that couple of microns extra leeway. These adapter issues are a real pain in the @ss.
Great video, thanks! I think you should buy, or at least try, the Elmarit R 28mm f2.8 V2 and you'll stop looking around for 28mm lenses 😜
I owned one! :) And yes it was the best 28mm I ever owned but to be honest my cheap nikon 28mm 2.8 Z lens is so close it's a no brainer. Oh just realised you mean "R" lens! Haha. Well, I know I would have to use a thick adapter for that and it would make the setup a bit too big for a 2.8 lens. But I am sure it is a great lens!
@@SamuelStreetlife Yeah, it's not as a small setup like with M-mount lenses. In my case, I don't mind going around with 300g extra to get an unique look in the pictures. Cheers!
@@SamuelStreetlifeany chance of you reviewing the z28mm f 2.8
Waited for your first impression on both of these lenses, since I'm currently looking into a manual 28mm for my Zf (adapted), which I can also use for my M6.
Regarding image quality both look amazing and build quality seems also amazing on both. That's why I currently gravitate towards the Simera, simply because of the huge price gap. And although the Voigtländer is more expensive, it does not include a lenshood ... :D
Thx for sharing and looking forward to your choice in the near future :)
Until then I'll wait for my shipment of you book with Alex 😁
I personally dont like the Siemeras looks but type I sits perfectly on my M262
Oh by the way, I think I like the Simera's results better. The difference in DOF is small but the way the Simera renders the OOF areas are just smoother, less distracting, and the transitions are more fluid. The corners (like when you showed the branches) seem to be more consistent too. Typical for many M-mount lenses, I bet the Voigt has some field curvature just outside the edges of the full frame sensor which results in the corners looking sharper but weirdly so as they're not on the same focal plane as the subject. That's why I'm so interested on the Simera mounted on a GFX because I think it might be a great 28mm 1.4 on that sensor. Hey Thypoch, can you let me test one on my GFX? Promise I'll post a video on my dead TH-cam channel! 😂
Thanks for the video Sam. Always looking forward to your uploads. It's like listening to a friend who's also a camera nut just rambling on about our days. 😂
Hi, I haven't watched the full video yet, because I want watch it carefully. But, one question. What do you think about Takumar lenses?. Thank you.
Waaay better bokeh on the Thypoch, less backward-directed field curvature as well > look at the tiny black windows/squares in the top right corner at 14:01 mark; much more defocused on the Thypoch.
Why buy M mount glass for a Z camera ? Advantages/disadvantages? I've read that M mount glass on Sony cameras can be a little problematic due to the sensor stack. Zf is in my future, I think.
The Z mount is one of the best mounts to adapt lenses from other manufacturers on it because of the distance to the sensor. Next to the Leica Sl mount, the Z mount is the next best option for M lenses. Sony and Canon have more problems because their mount is not as close to the sensor as the ZU mount is : )
Didn’t learn much here. But the voigtlander is smaller, lighter, sharper, and renders beautifully. The Thypoch is ungainly.
Sam, I suggest you get the TTArtisan 6bit M-Z adapter for your Nikon Zf and Leica lenses! There's a dial for focal length registration, manual focus confirmation will work, and trap focus (!!!) will also work! Imagine having face/eye detect on then you just hold down the shutter button fully, turn the focus ring and the shutter will fire if the eye/face is in focus!
I have tried the TTArtisan adapter but it felt so cheap and thick : D But the 6Bit coding is nice. I never found a setting for "trap focus". I definitely need to try that!
@@SamuelStreetlife Yeah, it does kinda feel cheap but it hasn't failed me yet so far. Haha. I use it for weddings and photowalks. Just make sure to update it to the latest firmware. Annoyingly, you can only update it on a Windows pc.
As for the trap focus, there's several settings to set up.
Go to custom settings and set a1 and a2 to "Focus" priority. Then go to a6 and select "AF-On only" and press right on the d-pad and select "Disable". That should enable "trap focus" already.
Works with you pre-framing and focusing on a spot and people walking into it or you moving with your subject with burst shooting. It doesn't work if you're in AF-S with "Pinpoint AF" selected though.
@@enshongmirandathank you for the instructions!! I did everything you said but my ZF still releases the shutter even when the focus is off 😅
I also just got my TTArtisan adapter for the ZF/Nokton 28. The build quality does feel a little cheap, but it has the small benefit that I can stand the camera on a surface without it tipping onto the lens (which did happen with the heavier K&ZF adapter.
@@SamuelStreetlifeWere you on MF? You have to be on AF-S or AF-C.
Go Lintaro
Cmon .... Ill trade you the Thypoch 28 for the Voigtlander 28 any day,,,,, please.....
All unsharp lenses are either character or with smooth rendering😅
I like Voigtländer lenses a lot but in this case fringing is a deal breaker for me. Even if one can say such amount of fringing is making it very close to a Leica Summilux 28 f1.4 😀
And , including the cost of the hood, the Voigtländer is double the price of the Thypoch.
So I’ll give a go to Thypoch
The difference is minimal. Get the cheaper / smaller one
ZED-f !!
ZeeF
seems like the Thypoch has better IQ. BUT because I'm Shallow Hal i went for the Type II Chrome Voigtlander. Smaller and looks better. Japan sounds better than China when it comes to photo equipment. lol. It basically looks like a vintage 50mm Summilux V1 too. Especially after you add the LH-6 Voigtlander hood.
It does look nice with the LH-6 lens hood! If I wouldn't shoot fast 28mm wide open most of times I would probably also prefer the voigtländer. But the Simera is really close to my ideal look so hard to make a decision. I might stay with the Simera for now but still tempted to see a black paint Nokton on my ZF just for the looks :-D
@@SamuelStreetlife would you say that the Simera rendering is closer to a Modern Leica - with creamy background blur? Like a 35 1.4 FLE ?
@@j5daniel182 The 35mm simera is a bit less sharp than FLE, but has slightly better distortion and chromatic aberration control. The 28mm Simera has less punch and contrast than the 28 summilux, but beats the summilux in every other aspects such as field curvature, distortion, chromatic aberration, closer focus, size, etc.
Honestly I see no advantage to the Voigtlander…
I would never touch a Thypoch. There are so many reasons for avoiding Chinese lenses. One of them is that I bought a Chinese lens, back in 2018, which fell apart on the inside and damaged my camera. Never again.
I had a lot of Leicas, R and M, in the 80s. The R4-6 bodies failed many times, and a 19mm lens. By your reasoning, should I never buy Leica again or never buy German cameras again?
Ouch
Very disappointed in last 3 videos. Really poor. If comparing get same size images!
No Chinese lenses
Do you know Cooke SP3, Schneider ISCO4, B+W, are actually all made or designed by Chinese optic manufacters ?
When Japan was catching up fast to the US’ economy in the 1980s, Japan was demonized, just like China today, to prevent people from buying Japanese products.
grow up
Yes, your money.