You're losing me on your assessment of this girl. When I in 8th grade, way back in 1991, for class I made a speech about why we should ban all nuclear weapons and destroy them all. I grew up hearing about how we may all die in a nuclear war if we didn't do something. I knew nothing of geopolitics, so to me it was very simple. However it's not simple. It's a complex issue. I had a child's viewpoint so I came up with a childish solution. Greta is the same way. She's grown up hearing about how the world will end if we don't do something now. To her it's simple and she also is giving simple solutions, never mind the fact that they've been predicting the world would end from some kind of environmental disaster for what, 20 or 30 years now? All of those dates have come and gone. We're still here. I agree that we're abusing the planet and we should change, but the topic of man made climate change has become highly politicized and those on the "left" side seem to be mostly gibbering idiots, not to mention that they've been caught telling several lies about climate change. The "vibe" these "environmentalists" put out is one of fear and hate. That's what they're motivated by. They just want to be correct. They just want to win. They want to feel superior. It's got little to do with the health of the planet and much more to do with their egos, just like Greta. She's loving the attention and this makes her feel important.
adjustment bureau... agreed & "they" have been predicting the end of the word for as long as humans have been around... ancient texts witness so... and maybe, apparently, the end of the world happens on a regular cycle... yet, a small handful of people tend to survive to make another go at it... yet, it's all physical... and like a playground for the universe to experience itself... so, what's the big deal, anyway... let it live or let it end... is enlightenment really about saving humans? or is it about saving consciousness? or is it about saving anything? or is it phase within the field? (this video is saying the exact opposite of the last video I watched from this guy on this channel)... that's the problem with energy... it keeps oscillating... positive, negative, positive, negative... north polarity, south polarity, north polarity... it's shocking!
james staggs Outstanding points made !!!Could not say it any better. Pollution and environmental protection are real issues, climate change as you so eloquently state above are political and ego driven. Thus a huge distraction and waste of time and energy that could go toward the real and complex issues surrounding protection of the environment. Ultimately the more one gravitates towards panacea modeled solutions; maybe that would imply lower consciousness levels? The cure to this is exposing higher truths and they’re complexities in ways that are easy to absorb . All the while open to critique and new ideas. What you say about needing to be right above is right on, this human flaw would be hard to understate and could be a whole area study. I find myself being caught in its gravity tenaciously. One has to be humble and use subtlety to craft beauty and convey meaning.
I would warn people to be more critical of what's happening with Greta, it was discovered that her parents had been doing much of her speeches as well as writing all of her online work and basically handling her exterior presence. She was asked a pretty basic question when she was on a panel and you could see her confidence shift when she went off script, compared to how confident she was when she was repeating the same things she's said to large groups many other times. I worry that this is a case of parents moldering her into something that she doesn't fully understand the complexity of. They seem to be doing much of the thinking and writing and using her face as the persona of THEIR message. It feels like an emotional appeal and I worry it's not coming from a genuine place.
The Greta example is a form of co-opting the rise of consciousness, turning the purpose to 'blow off steem' Since when, the UN has done anything about those concerned children? I saw the same 'concerned children' addressing the leaders in the UN about the same issues 20 years ago. Did anything change?
She's only concerned as her neurotic and narcissistic mother has trained her to be like that. It's basically child abuse. She has no real thoughts or ideas of her own. Paid child actress just like Nayirah was in the first gulf War.
The most useful life lesson I learned so far is that people are going to be at different stages of the spiral, but once you have gone through all the tier 1 stages and reach the yellow stage, you can more easily relate to them based on the stage they are at and approach them in a matter that they are comfortable understanding. I find that a lot of people in the blue stage are intimidated by individuals with forward thinking and embracing what is called "bending the rules of society", and a lot of people in the orange stage discriminate against people in the green stage due to their ideas that the orange thinkers would find absurd and vice versa. It's critical to understand what level of consciousness other's are and approach them on that same level, only then will they cooperate
Thunberg is theatre, no more no less. Bad, uninformed, theatre for political purposes. She may look at herself years from now, and regret the footage. I doubt her parents' judgment in pushing her out on the world stage like this. Maybe parents are getting validated by it.
Hey, "Future Thinkers" - have you noticed that most of the people commenting on your videos have profound intellectual limitations (they can't think) and are stuck in some weird regressive yearning for an imaginary past?
Of course there are higher stages of development. The only issue I find in this framework is its rigidity. The beautiful thing about leaving high school is that we leave a linear, ultimately misguided frame of growth, in which everyone must follow the same path. Instead, we move into a multiplicity of understandings, interactions and relationships. Ken Wilbur himself is but one of a whole ecology of self-proclaimed spiritual teachers. For sure, he and many others may be referring to the same ultimate truth, but the way he understands that and the way he conveys that and the paths he takes in this here world is unique and imperfect. Surely for an integral thinker to assume to know and easily define who is and isn't a second tier thinker is in itself a terrible pitfall. There's nothing more practical than a good theory, but it would be mistake to believe that integral theory is reality. We must be humble and encounter each being with reverence.
Well said. It is terrible pitfalls both in what you are pointing out and also in believing all humans have the same/similar spiritual capacities in the relative world. Reverence, yes.
I don't think he would ever deny this. Any framework or theory can be picked apart or found flaws in. But as humans, we still need to find ways to interpret the universe. I'm sure you can agree that Newton's laws of motion is a very important theory for us to understand the world. We need frameworks like this in order to structure our understanding of things. Just like any other theory, integral is the same. Sure it can be rigid, but it's better than nothing. As long as you recognise the flaws of rigid thinking and don't get carried away with it of course.
I was reading Wilber right out of college in the late 90's, starting with 'Brief History of Everything' and moving on to at least half a dozen of his other works. He's been a huge part of how I view the world intellectually for over twenty years now and it's great that he's now well enough to engage with this material in the IDW-sphere. Interestingly, I also find myself too often saying "Jordan Peterson....whether you like him or not...." As soon as Peterson came online I thought immediately of my two great intellectual heroes, Joseph Campbell and Ken Wilber.
Get into Dan Winter's work. You'll love it. He describes the physics of spirituality, alchemy and multidimensional development through geometry, physics and chemistry in a approachable and useful language. With his work enlightenment loses it intellectual direction and becomes a living, biological reality once you employ his knowledge. So, his work is applicable and profoundly accurate road map for the guru less explorer.
Ken Wilber is a Sage and is one of the greatest and most integral philosophers of all time. His pure depth and span is remarkable. His integral synthesis of the world's philosophy, wisdom, spiritual traditions, psychology and history is amazing. He brings East and West together and he leaves nothing out of the whole display and drama. Ken is also humble enough to understand that he does not know everything and that even a man of his high level of development makes mistakes. Wilber is one of the most important teachers in my life. Love this guy and his work.
Total Enlightenment is actually being Totally Free of fear, anxiety, sorrow, suffering, confusion, alienation, addictions, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, anger, hatred, violence, bias, and prejudice in daily life, once and for all, now forever.
They who are Totally Enlightened actually treat everyone, without exception, with the same intensity and quality of care and affection that they would give their dearest closest friend, lover, or child, without any sense of division, separation or distance in daily life, once and for all, now forever.
Enlightenment does not take time. It is not of time. It is not the result of time or the things of time. It is not the result of any method, ritual, or diet. It is not the result of any chemical. It is not the result of any process. There is no path to it. It happens effortlessly and choicelessly...faster than the speed of light. Moreover, it is once and for all, now and forever.
Do Jacob's Ladder. Set yourself Totally Free of fear, anxiety, sorrow, suffering, confusion, alienation, addictions, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, anger, hatred, violence, bias, and prejudice, in daily life, once and for all, now forever. Then and only then is there Lucidity, which gives birth to Love. See my group on Facebook: "Total Enlightenment NOW!".
Isn't there though some personal responsibility to realize the need to keep expanding, to develop ones self in adulthood? It would seem that a majority of people embrace their own arrested development.
More people are aware of global problems.. just as people knew that slavery was bad. Still doesn't mean slavery is over.. because what co-opts the energy flow between humans, that are not familiar with each other, is MONEY.
2:00 Eight Stages (of Consciousness) 30% World - centric. 70% Only my view is correct, in lower two stages. 2nd Tier: Integrative Development continues in adulthood.
The whole satori things bugs me a bit. The "time" we experience, here in 3D, is totally unlike the NowHere of the other side. While words can't convey that, those having NDEs often do a good job of pointing to the way everything seems to be (is) happening at once, as in NowHere. Our challenge is that the NowHere is inaccessible to the brain, which spells it as nowhere. Back to the satori thing. It's made to sound like an ultimate experience beyond which there is no other. We, as Source-in-form, are eternal & infinite. There are no boundaries in that, no beginnings, no endings. I know it's my mind playing with me, but what would be the point of satori, of an ultimate state beyond which awakening cannot go? There's a bit too much of the mind involved in his philosophy, at least for me. It's not the mind that awakens, nor can the mind comprehend even just the next steps (such as those experienced in peoples' Near-Death Experiences). Nothing from "over there" can be conveyed in words. His chart seems to record the states of civilizations & groups, not the individual. It's far too linear for that, for the NowHere of Just This, the I Am, the Isness or whatever word you use. We discover that we are That which we seek. ~♥~
Can’t speak for NDE but I can say that a DMT experience is not the same as satori. DMT experiences are essentially irrelevant with regard to satori/awakening. My view is that there are too many people trying to understand awakening theoretically as if you can just gain enough information and then be awakened and not enough people actually practicing methods such as ZaZen which can actually give rise to awakening. Ken Wilber happens to have a stabilised and continuous awakened state which is achieved through meditative training over many decades. He tries to express and explain that through technical analysis and explanation. If that doesn’t work for you then that’s ok. Do the practice, have a satori and then stabilise that over years of continuous practice.
This parallels the Book of Ra to a large extent. I love that the universe offers many different, but similar (true and integrated) paths toward Satori.
Yes. The supposed-to-be grown ups and leaders of the world whose minds are stuck in a 1:st tier level of thinking. The people who keep fighting within some modern/postmodern framework, blind of the larger system that is heading towards collapse. "NO!!!! Climate science is invalid because authoritarioan post-neomodern political neo-radical feminist-left-marxist-correctness!!!! and 5G/chemtrails [...] and feminism!"
Ken claims 30% of population is at worldcentric level/altitude. Can anyone point to any empirical research that supports this claim? I'm not aware of any such research. Thanks!
@Jack Jones Not ignorant. I have the same concern here. Another voice for Globalism? Or an awareness of the peak human experience of being an integral part of the ultimate field of "oneness" experienced also by many with psychoactive substances like psilocybin, ayahuasca, etc., and in near death experiences. The danger is that these experiences can lead one to associate it with the One World agenda. It's likely that the so called New Age movement was an intentional attempt to conjoin and confuse the two, along with many other serious flaws in that ideology.
There are not only stages and states but quadrants. So if we talk about worldcentric Stage, you can experience that in 4 different States of awereness,conciousness as you said and also you have to deal with it in all quadrants. So you have to sort things in subjective/personal,interpersonal and objective/personal,interpersonal.
@@mobleyMobley true. The difference here is that he is NOT making that claim. These kinds of specious comparisons are just silly. Greta is speaking truth. Solutions are difficult, that is certain, but the problem IS REAL.
Once upon a time there was a big mouse named Louie. He had a secret: Louie was actually lactose intolerant. When his friends would scurry around and search for wedges of cheese and upon finding them squill with delight!-Louie would only imitate the high pitched vocalise but not the passion. Louie became a great mimic. On cold Friday nights, when he & the gang would convene in insulated walls, Louie would have them in stitches; Miss Dovavon the librarian, Mr. Drake the auctioneer-Louie would huff with pitch perfect precision their exact mannerisms and vocal inflections. The mice loved it! “Do Dr. Pendergast,” they’d shout. “Oh, and Barbs Broomstick with all her eye makeup and funny voice” they’d cry. The laughter was contagious, but It was sad business for Louie. You see Louie had to hide his tough tummy lactose intolerance with charades and party tricks. His modus operandi of pretending replaced his natural urge. So when a heel of Munster fell between the floor boards? Big Louie was no more excited than when an aged ice cube fell from the freezer.
I couldn't not explain what he was saying to my anti. Seems like Ken really does not understand in whole what he is trying to say 🤔 😕. How about Greta is manipulated by some influential people?
Why should there be an hierarchy of states? Who is to judge what stage of development anybody else is at? How does any of this gel with Rudolf Steiner's work?
Steiner's worldview is explicitly hierarchical. For example, plants are more complex than stones. This doesn't mean stones are bad or plants are superior. Plants need the soil (stones, minerals) in order to thrive. All hierarchies are interdependent upon one another
The world is explicitly hierarchical, even integral theory demonstrates this point. The system works exactly as designed. You can’t will yourself into higher forms of understanding because that implies the existence of free will. Consciousness is all knowing, it’s the physical world that has limits of knowing and understanding.
Speak for ppl that are opened and want to listen. Speak for people that want to open their eyes. Speak to ingorants. But sadly most do not want to see or listen, they already think they know and therefore they are not opened, no matter how you take them they ll not listen, they just believe they know, there are people you can t approach in anyway. Proof: the coments section. People are not willing to listen. So you got to wait till they grow up wake up etc so you can approach them? But what if they never grow up or wake up or evolve?
Ehhh. Wilber's model is insightful, but she's clearly being used as a puppet, and only understands what she's been told. While she may be thinking globally, it doesn't mean she's thinking for herself.
I'm not sure why "thinking globally" necessarily mean you're at a higher stage? Immature children can think "globally" as well. It's similar to the pre/trans fallacy that Wilber talks about. One can think "globally" at a low stage.
No, not everyone is aware of *growing* most people don't I think, they learn, not all, how to raise kids, but I think wilber is right that most people stop growing, but trough giving birth, death, near, loosing jobs they learn, getting new insights, more perspectives, awareness,
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remember the roger rabit guy that melted?
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Christopher Lloyd. Taxi, Jim, back to the future Doc
Science does not want to enter the realm of religion. There' s been an unconscious consensus that science does not touch upon matters of religion. Therefore, in my opinion, meditation is said to be for health, not for mystical purposes.
Who is no one? I am no one, I haven't heard of his models until recently and I appreciate that he explains it each time, otherwise I would be listening to a lot of things I wouldn't comprehend. It's only a repetition if you have heard it before, and in that case, you're a minority, don't expect the content to be tailored to you.
I do not mind that he has begging level material but the problem is he is turning off his long time followers by keeping all his content at that level. All of the videos are aimed at beginners. Why not try for content that is more far reaching?
Poor Thunberg has no understanding of the atmospheric sciences and statistics. She is being used to promote an aganda most don't share. Thunberg has demonstarted a lack of scholarship in the geopolitical events in eastern Europe, instead just repeating the popular western propaganda. Greta is demonstably an angry young girl too. She has my compassion. As for her "level' that seems somewhat irrelevant in the scheme of things.
What's lost in the very mental, developmental model is the distinction between Who we are, as Source-in-form, & the body-mind, our costume for the 3D Drama. Bodies develop, they are born & they die, but that's not us, just a temporary appearance in which we participate. Spirit does not "develop," it just is. Time, just like everything else in 3D, is not what we take it to be at any one point. Read-up on the NDE experience to encounter the timelessness, the NowHere-ness of the "other side," i.e., other dimensions, i.e., Spirit. While 3D offers relativity, the either/or of yes/no, up/down, right/wrong, etc., we can go beyond that into the both/and; the possibility for opposites to co-exist like 2 sides of one coin. Yes, we have fun stepping down into form, playing the development games. They're not real, however, but are more like a dream. If this is reality, then that is Reality, as anyone who has visited "the other side" in this lifetime - or retains it in memory - simply Knows. Yes, the mind can know, but what it knows doesn't hold a candle to the Knowing of That. It's not the mind that awakens. Putting the mind in charge of our journey = us chasing our tail around in circles. ~♥~
The strangled voice of old Mrs Beakybird....."Before enlightment...go toilet...after enlightnment...go toilet". Very emotional..very kitsch...blah blah blah
Do you think the large number of people, and ever increasing it seems, doing yoga regularly will contribute to the advancement of awareness of the US as a people and society?
You're losing me on your assessment of this girl. When I in 8th grade, way back in 1991, for class I made a speech about why we should ban all nuclear weapons and destroy them all. I grew up hearing about how we may all die in a nuclear war if we didn't do something. I knew nothing of geopolitics, so to me it was very simple. However it's not simple. It's a complex issue. I had a child's viewpoint so I came up with a childish solution. Greta is the same way. She's grown up hearing about how the world will end if we don't do something now. To her it's simple and she also is giving simple solutions, never mind the fact that they've been predicting the world would end from some kind of environmental disaster for what, 20 or 30 years now?
All of those dates have come and gone. We're still here. I agree that we're abusing the planet and we should change, but the topic of man made climate change has become highly politicized and those on the "left" side seem to be mostly gibbering idiots, not to mention that they've been caught telling several lies about climate change. The "vibe" these "environmentalists" put out is one of fear and hate. That's what they're motivated by. They just want to be correct. They just want to win. They want to feel superior. It's got little to do with the health of the planet and much more to do with their egos, just like Greta. She's loving the attention and this makes her feel important.
adjustment bureau... agreed & "they" have been predicting the end of the word for as long as humans have been around... ancient texts witness so... and maybe, apparently, the end of the world happens on a regular cycle... yet, a small handful of people tend to survive to make another go at it... yet, it's all physical... and like a playground for the universe to experience itself... so, what's the big deal, anyway... let it live or let it end... is enlightenment really about saving humans? or is it about saving consciousness? or is it about saving anything? or is it phase within the field? (this video is saying the exact opposite of the last video I watched from this guy on this channel)... that's the problem with energy... it keeps oscillating... positive, negative, positive, negative... north polarity, south polarity, north polarity... it's shocking!
james staggs Outstanding points made !!!Could not say it any better. Pollution and environmental protection are real issues, climate change as you so eloquently state above are political and ego driven. Thus a huge distraction and waste of time and energy that could go toward the real and complex issues surrounding protection of the environment. Ultimately the more one gravitates towards panacea modeled solutions; maybe that would imply lower consciousness levels? The cure to this is exposing higher truths and they’re complexities in ways that are easy to absorb . All the while open to critique and new ideas. What you say about needing to be right above is right on, this human flaw would be hard to understate and could be a whole area study. I find myself being caught in its gravity tenaciously. One has to be humble and use subtlety to craft beauty and convey meaning.
james staggs well said
Right on James Stagg. Wilber jumped the shark on this one.
I could not agree more with you on that and I mean everything of what you wrote!
I would warn people to be more critical of what's happening with Greta, it was discovered that her parents had been doing much of her speeches as well as writing all of her online work and basically handling her exterior presence. She was asked a pretty basic question when she was on a panel and you could see her confidence shift when she went off script, compared to how confident she was when she was repeating the same things she's said to large groups many other times. I worry that this is a case of parents moldering her into something that she doesn't fully understand the complexity of. They seem to be doing much of the thinking and writing and using her face as the persona of THEIR message. It feels like an emotional appeal and I worry it's not coming from a genuine place.
Lol
Allen is correct! This video didn’t age well. She’s a scammer.
The Greta example is a form of co-opting the rise of consciousness, turning the purpose to 'blow off steem'
Since when, the UN has done anything about those concerned children?
I saw the same 'concerned children' addressing the leaders in the UN about the same issues 20 years ago. Did anything change?
since when do children have any clue how the world works. She is a very good example of terrible parenting.
She's only concerned as her neurotic and narcissistic mother has trained her to be like that. It's basically child abuse. She has no real thoughts or ideas of her own. Paid child actress just like Nayirah was in the first gulf War.
No, including the climate 😜
The most useful life lesson I learned so far is that people are going to be at different stages of the spiral, but once you have gone through all the tier 1 stages and reach the yellow stage, you can more easily relate to them based on the stage they are at and approach them in a matter that they are comfortable understanding. I find that a lot of people in the blue stage are intimidated by individuals with forward thinking and embracing what is called "bending the rules of society", and a lot of people in the orange stage discriminate against people in the green stage due to their ideas that the orange thinkers would find absurd and vice versa. It's critical to understand what level of consciousness other's are and approach them on that same level, only then will they cooperate
Is your avatar a portrait of red or orange?
Thunberg is theatre, no more no less. Bad, uninformed, theatre for political purposes. She may look at herself years from now, and regret the footage. I doubt her parents' judgment in pushing her out on the world stage like this. Maybe parents are getting validated by it.
Hey, "Future Thinkers" - have you noticed that most of the people commenting on your videos have profound intellectual limitations (they can't think) and are stuck in some weird regressive yearning for an imaginary past?
thingypersonfellah the comments exceed the presentation
Of course there are higher stages of development. The only issue I find in this framework is its rigidity. The beautiful thing about leaving high school is that we leave a linear, ultimately misguided frame of growth, in which everyone must follow the same path. Instead, we move into a multiplicity of understandings, interactions and relationships.
Ken Wilbur himself is but one of a whole ecology of self-proclaimed spiritual teachers. For sure, he and many others may be referring to the same ultimate truth, but the way he understands that and the way he conveys that and the paths he takes in this here world is unique and imperfect.
Surely for an integral thinker to assume to know and easily define who is and isn't a second tier thinker is in itself a terrible pitfall. There's nothing more practical than a good theory, but it would be mistake to believe that integral theory is reality. We must be humble and encounter each being with reverence.
I appreciate this critique. Think Ken's work could do with more if it tbh!
Well said. It is terrible pitfalls both in what you are pointing out and also in believing all humans have the same/similar spiritual capacities in the relative world.
Reverence, yes.
I don't think he would ever deny this. Any framework or theory can be picked apart or found flaws in. But as humans, we still need to find ways to interpret the universe. I'm sure you can agree that Newton's laws of motion is a very important theory for us to understand the world.
We need frameworks like this in order to structure our understanding of things. Just like any other theory, integral is the same. Sure it can be rigid, but it's better than nothing. As long as you recognise the flaws of rigid thinking and don't get carried away with it of course.
Spoken like a true 'Post-Modernist'! ;-)
Are you suggesting that first tier is like the stem of a flower, while the second tier may radiate out like flower petals?
I was reading Wilber right out of college in the late 90's, starting with 'Brief History of Everything' and moving on to at least half a dozen of his other works. He's been a huge part of how I view the world intellectually for over twenty years now and it's great that he's now well enough to engage with this material in the IDW-sphere. Interestingly, I also find myself too often saying "Jordan Peterson....whether you like him or not...." As soon as Peterson came online I thought immediately of my two great intellectual heroes, Joseph Campbell and Ken Wilber.
@Jerk Joker Why not give examples and explanations to back your insults?
@@haljasonfoster2169 You noticed that, too... peculiar how many people think insulting your opponent is an adequate substitute for making an argument.
@@haljasonfoster2169 are you sleeping still?
@Jerk Joker So are you more woker than them ?
Get into Dan Winter's work. You'll love it. He describes the physics of spirituality, alchemy and multidimensional development through geometry, physics and chemistry in a approachable and useful language. With his work enlightenment loses it intellectual direction and becomes a living, biological reality once you employ his knowledge. So, his work is applicable and profoundly accurate road map for the guru less explorer.
Ken Wilber is a Sage and is one of the greatest and most integral philosophers of all time. His pure depth and span is remarkable. His integral synthesis of the world's philosophy, wisdom, spiritual traditions, psychology and history is amazing. He brings East and West together and he leaves nothing out of the whole display and drama. Ken is also humble enough to understand that he does not know everything and that even a man of his high level of development makes mistakes. Wilber is one of the most important teachers in my life. Love this guy and his work.
Sage ?😂
Total Enlightenment is actually being Totally Free of fear, anxiety, sorrow, suffering, confusion, alienation, addictions, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, anger, hatred, violence, bias, and prejudice in daily life, once and for all, now forever.
They who are Totally Enlightened actually treat everyone, without exception, with the same intensity and quality of care and affection that they would give their dearest closest friend, lover, or child, without any sense of division, separation or distance in daily life, once and for all, now forever.
Enlightenment does not take time.
It is not of time.
It is not the result of time or the things of time.
It is not the result of any method, ritual, or diet.
It is not the result of any chemical.
It is not the result of any process.
There is no path to it.
It happens effortlessly and choicelessly...faster than the speed of light. Moreover, it is once and for all, now and forever.
Do Jacob's Ladder. Set yourself Totally Free of fear, anxiety, sorrow, suffering, confusion, alienation, addictions, envy, greed, jealousy, pride, anger, hatred, violence, bias, and prejudice, in daily life, once and for all, now forever. Then and only then is there Lucidity, which gives birth to Love. See my group on Facebook: "Total Enlightenment NOW!".
@@michaelepstein2570 But it happens for no one,so who can claim it?
@@hermansohier7643 Do it and See. 90 minutes. Simple.
Isn't there though some personal responsibility to realize the need to keep expanding, to develop ones self in adulthood? It would seem that a majority of people embrace their own arrested development.
More people are aware of global problems.. just as people knew that slavery was bad.
Still doesn't mean slavery is over.. because what co-opts the energy flow between humans, that are not familiar with each other, is MONEY.
2:00 Eight Stages (of Consciousness)
30% World - centric. 70%
Only my view is correct, in lower two stages.
2nd Tier: Integrative
Development continues in adulthood.
Thank you for sharing this talk. I enjoyed very much. Greetings from Slovenia.
The whole satori things bugs me a bit. The "time" we experience, here in 3D, is totally unlike the NowHere of the other side. While words can't convey that, those having NDEs often do a good job of pointing to the way everything seems to be (is) happening at once, as in NowHere. Our challenge is that the NowHere is inaccessible to the brain, which spells it as nowhere.
Back to the satori thing. It's made to sound like an ultimate experience beyond which there is no other. We, as Source-in-form, are eternal & infinite. There are no boundaries in that, no beginnings, no endings. I know it's my mind playing with me, but what would be the point of satori, of an ultimate state beyond which awakening cannot go?
There's a bit too much of the mind involved in his philosophy, at least for me. It's not the mind that awakens, nor can the mind comprehend even just the next steps (such as those experienced in peoples' Near-Death Experiences).
Nothing from "over there" can be conveyed in words. His chart seems to record the states of civilizations & groups, not the individual. It's far too linear for that, for the NowHere of Just This, the I Am, the Isness or whatever word you use. We discover that we are That which we seek.
~♥~
Taking DMT gives the exact same experience as a NDE. So you can go there and come back when you want. You can reach it through meditation as well.
@@thomaspedersen4777 That's interesting. I'm all for everyone reaching it at least once. It's life-changing or at least perspective-changing.
~♥~
Can’t speak for NDE but I can say that a DMT experience is not the same as satori. DMT experiences are essentially irrelevant with regard to satori/awakening.
My view is that there are too many people trying to understand awakening theoretically as if you can just gain enough information and then be awakened and not enough people actually practicing methods such as ZaZen which can actually give rise to awakening.
Ken Wilber happens to have a stabilised and continuous awakened state which is achieved through meditative training over many decades. He tries to express and explain that through technical analysis and explanation.
If that doesn’t work for you then that’s ok. Do the practice, have a satori and then stabilise that over years of continuous practice.
This parallels the Book of Ra to a large extent. I love that the universe offers many different, but similar (true and integrated) paths toward Satori.
Thank you!
Perhaps Greta Thunberg is speaking to the part of the population that is regressing.
Lol, its beto!!
Yes. The supposed-to-be grown ups and leaders of the world whose minds are stuck in a 1:st tier level of thinking. The people who keep fighting within some modern/postmodern framework, blind of the larger system that is heading towards collapse.
"NO!!!! Climate science is invalid because authoritarioan post-neomodern political neo-radical feminist-left-marxist-correctness!!!! and 5G/chemtrails
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and feminism!"
My karma ran over my dogma
2:07 Integrative => Holistic - Universal
Ken claims 30% of population is at worldcentric level/altitude. Can anyone point to any empirical research that supports this claim? I'm not aware of any such research. Thanks!
@Jack Jones Not ignorant. I have the same concern here. Another voice for Globalism? Or an awareness of the peak human experience of being an integral part of the ultimate field of "oneness" experienced also by many with psychoactive substances like psilocybin, ayahuasca, etc., and in near death experiences. The danger is that these experiences can lead one to associate it with the One World agenda. It's likely that the so called New Age movement was an intentional attempt to conjoin and confuse the two, along with many other serious flaws in that ideology.
There are not only stages and states but quadrants. So if we talk about worldcentric Stage, you can experience that in 4 different States of awereness,conciousness as you said and also you have to deal with it in all quadrants. So you have to sort things in subjective/personal,interpersonal and objective/personal,interpersonal.
Ken could claim that Burger King sells diapers. Doesn't make it true.
@@mobleyMobley true. The difference here is that he is NOT making that claim. These kinds of specious comparisons are just silly. Greta is speaking truth. Solutions are difficult, that is certain, but the problem IS REAL.
@@davidcottrell1308 you are missing the point. Anyone can claim anything. Does not mean it is true.
Once upon a time there was a big mouse named Louie. He had a secret: Louie was actually lactose intolerant. When his friends would scurry around and search for wedges of cheese and upon finding them squill with delight!-Louie would only imitate the high pitched vocalise but not the passion. Louie became a great mimic. On cold Friday nights, when he & the gang would convene in insulated walls, Louie would have them in stitches; Miss Dovavon the librarian, Mr. Drake the auctioneer-Louie would huff with pitch perfect precision their exact mannerisms and vocal inflections. The mice loved it! “Do Dr. Pendergast,” they’d shout. “Oh, and Barbs Broomstick with all her eye makeup and funny voice” they’d cry. The laughter was contagious, but It was sad business for Louie. You see Louie had to hide his tough tummy lactose intolerance with charades and party tricks. His modus operandi of pretending replaced his natural urge. So when a heel of Munster fell between the floor boards? Big Louie was no more excited than when an aged ice cube fell from the freezer.
I couldn't not explain what he was saying to my anti. Seems like Ken really does not understand in whole what he is trying to say 🤔 😕. How about Greta is manipulated by some influential people?
Why should there be an hierarchy of states? Who is to judge what stage of development anybody else is at? How does any of this gel with Rudolf Steiner's work?
Steiner's worldview is explicitly hierarchical. For example, plants are more complex than stones. This doesn't mean stones are bad or plants are superior. Plants need the soil (stones, minerals) in order to thrive. All hierarchies are interdependent upon one another
Read a book and find out. You're not going to get it in 10 minutes on TH-cam.
@@ImJustSayingYKnow lol! Where dyou suggest as a starting point? The Great Mistake by Ivor Rubber?
The world is explicitly hierarchical, even integral theory demonstrates this point. The system works exactly as designed. You can’t will yourself into higher forms of understanding because that implies the existence of free will. Consciousness is all knowing, it’s the physical world that has limits of knowing and understanding.
Ken Wilber
10:45: We're stuck in adolescence.
The green movement is what the oil indusry trowed our way to not look at nuclar power.
Speak for ppl that are opened and want to listen. Speak for people that want to open their eyes. Speak to ingorants. But sadly most do not want to see or listen, they already think they know and therefore they are not opened, no matter how you take them they ll not listen, they just believe they know, there are people you can t approach in anyway. Proof: the coments section. People are not willing to listen. So you got to wait till they grow up wake up etc so you can approach them? But what if they never grow up or wake up or evolve?
Ehhh. Wilber's model is insightful, but she's clearly being used as a puppet, and only understands what she's been told.
While she may be thinking globally, it doesn't mean she's thinking for herself.
You're a clown. I'd suggest you read a science book.
It is possibly to think globally/green from an utter blue stage mindset.
I'm not sure why "thinking globally" necessarily mean you're at a higher stage? Immature children can think "globally" as well. It's similar to the pre/trans fallacy that Wilber talks about. One can think "globally" at a low stage.
A ken Wilber play this would be nice
Anybody notice somebody's drunk the wine that was on the counter in the background? Maybe Ken has an issue he'd like to share?
"let's go Brandon" FJB AND Greta Thunberg
Indigenous cultures understand development through the stages of life through a holistic view.
isnt it obvious that development continues into adulthood,i assumed everyone knew that.
Not obvious. We have the right to be taught this in Government Public schools.Isn't it "criminal" we're not?
Actually, it stops at exactly 18.
No, not everyone is aware of *growing* most people don't I think, they learn, not all, how to raise kids, but I think wilber is right that most people stop growing, but trough giving birth, death, near, loosing jobs they learn, getting new insights, more perspectives, awareness,
remember the roger rabit guy that melted?
Christopher Lloyd. Taxi, Jim, back to the future Doc
Fckin nice man lmao
Magnus is such a strong nobal name. You should legally change it to...
Science does not want to enter the realm of religion. There' s been an unconscious consensus that science does not touch upon matters of religion. Therefore, in my opinion, meditation is said to be for health, not for mystical purposes.
Ken addresses every topic as if no one has heard of his model.
Maybe because he's putting this out for the world and most of the world hasnt?
Who is no one? I am no one, I haven't heard of his models until recently and I appreciate that he explains it each time, otherwise I would be listening to a lot of things I wouldn't comprehend. It's only a repetition if you have heard it before, and in that case, you're a minority, don't expect the content to be tailored to you.
I do not mind that he has begging level material but the problem is he is turning off his long time followers by keeping all his content at that level. All of the videos are aimed at beginners. Why not try for content that is more far reaching?
Never heard of him until I wrote this comment.
Thank you
Like that quote from Albert - If you can't explain to your anti your theories so she will understand. You don't know what you are talking about.
Clean Up...Wake Up...Grow Up.....SHUT UP
Speak Up to the idiocy perpetrated as facts
Poor Thunberg has no understanding of the atmospheric sciences and statistics. She is being used to promote an aganda most don't share. Thunberg has demonstarted a lack of scholarship in the geopolitical events in eastern Europe, instead just repeating the popular western propaganda. Greta is demonstably an angry young girl too. She has my compassion. As for her "level' that seems somewhat irrelevant in the scheme of things.
Greta Thunberg in the title - > Climate change deniers in the comment section. Who would've thunk.
What's lost in the very mental, developmental model is the distinction between Who we are, as Source-in-form, & the body-mind, our costume for the 3D Drama. Bodies develop, they are born & they die, but that's not us, just a temporary appearance in which we participate.
Spirit does not "develop," it just is. Time, just like everything else in 3D, is not what we take it to be at any one point. Read-up on the NDE experience to encounter the timelessness, the NowHere-ness of the "other side," i.e., other dimensions, i.e., Spirit. While 3D offers relativity, the either/or of yes/no, up/down, right/wrong, etc., we can go beyond that into the both/and; the possibility for opposites to co-exist like 2 sides of one coin.
Yes, we have fun stepping down into form, playing the development games. They're not real, however, but are more like a dream. If this is reality, then that is Reality, as anyone who has visited "the other side" in this lifetime - or retains it in memory - simply Knows. Yes, the mind can know, but what it knows doesn't hold a candle to the Knowing of That.
It's not the mind that awakens. Putting the mind in charge of our journey = us chasing our tail around in circles.
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Waking Up and Growing Up, as Wilber says.
The strangled voice of old Mrs Beakybird....."Before enlightment...go toilet...after enlightnment...go toilet". Very emotional..very kitsch...blah blah blah
Greta would be green wouldn't she? She could be higher I haven't observed her much.
Blue, using green terminology.
@@Pilgrimsrummetwith emocional purple-red narcissistic problems
@@GBianc2 I have those also 🤓
I wonder if that Greta girl will ever be able to understand a word of this
Do you think the large number of people, and ever increasing it seems, doing yoga regularly will contribute to the advancement of awareness of the US as a people and society?
Awareness dos'nt need anything,because it IS everything .
The yoga done now is kindergarten- need to grow this up too
Ken thanks. I am blown up. BOOM!
I’m new to Ken’s work which surprised me.. however I find him unconvincing and full of false assumptions.
Go deeper, It's worth it.
Old Mrs.Beakybird v Prof.Pompousploppity...Wilber/Dawkins...aww comeon!
Lol. I thought wilber was smart
Good that Wibble envisges a new kind of society/culture
Even if she is being used she could genuinely be speaking from her heart and high level of consciousness, no?
No.
This is a joke. Right?