Oh, I was thinking about this myself. It is sort of explained here: He is a tough nasty tyrant to everyone, like Hermie, but with Santa, who is his boss, he's an ass kisser. There are a lot of people like that.
He isn't being too loud with the "All Out....". He's just calling the elves. Santa wouldn't mind that. He would probably mind the Chief Elf yelling at Hermie.
This was on purpose. As a kid yes it is weird and you think it's a mistake. Turns out he is simply getting into character. Elves are supposed to be tender and sweet, he simply went from a grouchy foreman to a tender elf.
I loved the voice change..when I was a kid, it reminded my how phony people can be.. Nasty when you're alone with them, but sweet when important people were around..great life lesson..
The elf song was edited down from the original version so maybe that part was re-done and they didn't realize the mistake in the voice. But if you think that's odd, think about the sadistic and tragic ending to this film. There's an elf dropping the misfit toys to thier new homes. He gives each one an umbrella to parachute down ... except the bird. He looks at the umbrella, looks at the bird and then just pushes him out of Santa's sleigh. Now think back to the Island of Misfit Toys scene. That bird doesn't fly - he swims! That elf pushed the poor bird to his death.
Wow, you make points I never thought of! First, I never noticed the change in voice (how did it I miss it) and then bird murder? What other diabolical things are in this show??
OMG!!! I never realized that! This is right on par with WKRP in Cincinnati, when Mr. Carlson and The business mgr come back into the station after the Thanksgiving helicopter turkey-drop promotion with the terrible news that, “I swear, I thought turkeys could fly!“
Let's hope that bird was dropped somewhere around Hawaii and he swam to his new child's home...and flopped gently on the shore as he got to that front door. Yeah no that bird got smashed on the pavement.
It's so obviously on purpose. He acts like a jerk to the elves but he acts all nice and perfect to Santa. Everybody thinks this is some HUGE mistake but I don't think it is.
As a Kid I always interpreted that that was a different character from the Head Elf and just shared his design, kinda like all the other generic background elves. Realistically, I'm guessing; 1.) The script dictated that another character speak and the stop motion people messed that up. This one the most reasonable explanation in my mind. 2.) The Head Elf had a different voice at one point in production and this is the single remnant. 3.) A retake was needed and the original voice actor wasn't available. Though why that replacement voice couldn't have tried to mimic the original is beyond me, which is why I feel that one's a pretty weak guess.
I recall reading from a book about the making of this movie, and the author stated that he wasn't sure how the voice changed but gave a theory. The thing is, I don't remember the exact details. I think it had something to do with this part of the movie being recorded in a different location from the rest of it.
This makes total sense to me. He has one voice for authority, like he’s a boss, and one voice for subservience, like he’s serving Santa. Can you imagine if he used the boss voice on Santa?
When watching this part as a kid, I naturally took this in stride because there are people out there that are nice in one situation, but can turn into a big grouch when their 'ire' gets roused.
What I’m thinking is that he might change his voice around Santa? Because I believe he only used the voice around Santa. And when he left. He went back to a gruff voice. I might be wrong but that might be what’s going on.
One thing to note is that the Head Elf imitates popular (at the time) TV bandleader, Lawrence Welk, saying his famous catchphrase "and a one-a, and a two-a, and a three-a", so that likely has something to do with the voice change section.
I think his WHY WEREN'T YOU AT END PRACTICE voice is his sorta strict, serious voice, and the other one is his normal one. Kinda like the way Him speaks in the Powerpuff Girls.
My theory is that the voice actor for the Head Elf probably didn't have time to record that one line so I think that line was recorded at the last minute.
We had a Cabbage Patch doll that chewed on things way before Baby Alive. it got recalled cause it could sometimes chew on a kid's hair... and not stop. Maybe he was right.
...Papa Elf's origin story to why he never married. He was too busy micromanaging and being a jerk to Hermie and the other elves. HEADCANON ACCEPTED. Wrap it up. Question is... What made Papa Elf so lovable and kind? Maybe a certain someone breaking his heart ala Scrooge in A Christmas Carol but instead of becoming a relentless buttmunch he becomes a more tender elf? Also maybe Hemie pulling that infected tooth helped him so... We're doing the deep lore diving here. MatPat should pay us.
He sounds like Yosemite Sam on Looney Tunes. He even has a slight southern accent! ”HERMEY AREN’T YOU FINISHED ERADICATING THAT DIRTY STINKIN RABBIT?! AH HATE DEM COTTON PICKING VARMINTS!! AND WHY IN TARNATION WEREN’T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE?! YOU WILL NEVER FIT IN UNTIL YOU LEARN TO HUNT A RABBIT. GOOD GRIEF!! (Meek voice) Right Santa, keep my temper in check… (to himself) Dirtyrakinfrackinshakinkrat… 😂
When I was a little kid I always assumed it showed what a weaselly little jerk the head elf was. His real personality was a grouchy eh hole, then pretended to be all sweet and elflike for Santa boy. Even the obsequious servile way he looks back to make sure Santa approves to me as a kid was HILARIOUS. And I grew up to encounter 2 faced type bosses just like him who would change their personality to suit the bigwigs or peons in the room.
...I'm thirty and my mind is blown that he has a "nice voice" for his boss and a "regular voice" for the elves under him. You posted this in 2015. WHY. ALGORITHM WHY! WHY NOW?! WHY DID YOU BREAK ME NOW?!
Well, I always thought it was weird that Rudolph looks different in Rudolph's Shiny New Year. Must have gotten a replacement because of a salary dispute with original actor.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that has noticed the voice change for 50 some odd years. Also, I can't be the only one who hears the head elf call him Herbie instead of Hermie? Right about at the 5 second mark?
Years ago, they made a couple changes to the original version. They edited the song, and sped it up, to save time. When they did, they made an error in the adjustment of the head elf's voice. There's a video somewhere here on YT that explains the error.
I think in my earlier viewings as a kid, I thought it was supposed to be two different elves, but once I got the DVD a couple years ago I did a double take.
MagentaSky 234 I noticed that when hes in front of santa his voice changed to a more friendlyer tone but as soon and Santa and mrs claws leave he gets back to that crazy ass tone, perhaps hes just putting up a facade to look good. And bashes his elves when saint nick aint around
Okay, in answer to the question about the Chief Elf, he is very bossy around his minions, but in front of Santa he is sort of an ass kisser, which is why he sounded more like a polite servant. How hard was this to understand?
does anyone to this very day know who the different voice of the Head elf was at 0:20??? we all know that ISN'T Mr. Banas it does sound like Mel Blanc mixed in with some Bill Thompson like voice. if anyone has info on who the voice actor in post-production was please let me know! -Chuck Jose
If Mel Blanc can do both the voices of George Jetson’a boss Mr. Spacely (who also sounds gruff and bossy) and Bugs Bunny than it isn’t a stretch to say that Banas could do both voices for the Head Elf.
It's never too late to correct this, it really is jarring for an established character to have his voice completely changed. I get that the talent wasn't available for this change but let's get a sound alike to fix this. I guess that would get the purists panties in a bunch wouldn't it?
The worst thing about it is at that the guy has a deep voice that's scary and then he has a has a young child's voice lol how did this even happen when will we get at the behind the scenes secrets of this scene
It was a cut scene and they added it back in except there was no soundtrack so they had to add a different voice don't know why they didn't try to sound like the first one but I think that's what happened
You think this is weird? In Frosty the Snowman, when the kids are trying to come up with names for the snowman, one kid sounds like a totally grown man, like a bass - the one who says, "Bruce?" Check out THAT scene - what happened there?
@@catvoncrimson666 It's nothing complicated. When he's around Santa he puts on a friendly demeanor but with the other elves, his true personality reveals itself. I think that's an obvious joke.
Also....why do the reindeer live in caves? Where's the nice comfy stalls? Seems Rudolph had more of an effect on how the North Pole works than we've been told
It was a continuity problem. Near the end of the wrap up, they realized they needed that extra line. The voice actor wasn’t available, so some other actor was used for that one line. I know the son of Bernard Cowan, the Bumble and voice director. He told me about that particular glitch. Except for Burl Ives, all the other voice actors were Toronto actors.
Thanks for that! I had to Google Bernard Cowan and got this thread: twitter.com/twitandrewking/status/1070505906826285056?s=20&t=lMOfam5rwsZsOUG8zM-0Hg
Here's the real question:
*WHY WEREN'T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE?!?!*
Becouse I'm not a elf
Yeah ya ding bat!
YEAH GET TO PRACTICE & HURRY UP!!!!
Just fixing these dolls’ teeth.
I was doing bong hits in the parking lot in my '69 El Camino and lost track of time.
My idea is that the Head Elf pretends to sound nice in front of Santa, so he uses that silly voice instead of his usual loud, rude voice.
And as for the "ALL OUT FOR ELF PRACTICE" I think Santa wasn't really paying attention at that moment or something
That's the vibe I always got. He kisses up to Santa, and so uses his nice, nasily voice. But with his own workers, he uses his Yosemite Sam voice.
Oh, I was thinking about this myself. It is sort of explained here: He is a tough nasty tyrant to everyone, like Hermie, but with Santa, who is his boss, he's an ass kisser. There are a lot of people like that.
He isn't being too loud with the "All Out....". He's just calling the elves. Santa wouldn't mind that. He would probably mind the Chief Elf yelling at Hermie.
He uses his deep voice so the elves take him seriously.
This was on purpose. As a kid yes it is weird and you think it's a mistake. Turns out he is simply getting into character. Elves are supposed to be tender and sweet, he simply went from a grouchy foreman to a tender elf.
Rest in peace Alfie Scopp. He lived over 100 years of his life and died at the age of 101 years old earlier this year.
1919-2021.
Carl Banas voiced the head elf and he's still alive
I loved the voice change..when I was a kid, it reminded my how phony people can be.. Nasty when you're alone with them, but sweet when important people were around..great life lesson..
WHY WEREN'T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE
Just fixing these dolls' teeth.
JUST FIXING...NOW LISTEN, WE HAVE DOLLS THAT CRY, TALK, WALK, BLINK AND RUN A TEMPERATURE! WE DON'T NEED ANY CHEWING DOLLS!
@@thatundergroundflavorrareo3194 I just thought I found a way to fit in.
You’re never fit in
NOW YOU COME TO ELF PRACTICE AND LEARN HOW TO WIGGLE YOUR EARS AND CHUCKLE WARMLY AND GO HEE HEE AND HO HO, AND IMPORTANT STUFF LIKE THAT.
This always bugged me, even as a little kid. I wonder if that's just how he sounds when he's not yelling at someone (which is almost never).
But he still has that gruff voice of his later in the film when he’s not yelling, where he apologizes to Hermey.
I thought I was the only one that noticed
I noticed it too. It has to do with who he is talking to.
same
kulerage Same here.
Me and my sister laughed when we heard his voice change.
Maybe that's his show voice and his angry sergeant voice is how he actually talks.
it is cause he used a quieter version of the gruff voice when not yelling at someone and santa isn't around
WHAT PEOPLE ARE STILL WATCHING DIS
The elf song was edited down from the original version so maybe that part was re-done and they didn't realize the mistake in the voice. But if you think that's odd, think about the sadistic and tragic ending to this film. There's an elf dropping the misfit toys to thier new homes. He gives each one an umbrella to parachute down ... except the bird. He looks at the umbrella, looks at the bird and then just pushes him out of Santa's sleigh. Now think back to the Island of Misfit Toys scene. That bird doesn't fly - he swims! That elf pushed the poor bird to his death.
Haha!
Wow, you make points I never thought of! First, I never noticed the change in voice (how did it I miss it) and then bird murder? What other diabolical things are in this show??
@@DocDoccus I still love it though!
OMG!!! I never realized that! This is right on par with WKRP in Cincinnati, when Mr. Carlson and The business mgr come back into the station after the Thanksgiving helicopter turkey-drop promotion with the terrible news that, “I swear, I thought turkeys could fly!“
Let's hope that bird was dropped somewhere around Hawaii and he swam to his new child's home...and flopped gently on the shore as he got to that front door.
Yeah no that bird got smashed on the pavement.
It's so obviously on purpose. He acts like a jerk to the elves but he acts all nice and perfect to Santa. Everybody thinks this is some HUGE mistake but I don't think it is.
Exactly!
Yeah its like when the principal walks in the classroom and the teacher acts nice.
As a Kid I always interpreted that that was a different character from the Head Elf and just shared his design, kinda like all the other generic background elves.
Realistically, I'm guessing;
1.) The script dictated that another character speak and the stop motion people messed that up. This one the most reasonable explanation in my mind.
2.) The Head Elf had a different voice at one point in production and this is the single remnant.
3.) A retake was needed and the original voice actor wasn't available. Though why that replacement voice couldn't have tried to mimic the original is beyond me, which is why I feel that one's a pretty weak guess.
Nah, I just think he's using his ass kisser voice to Santa and using his tyrants voice the rest of the time around his underlings.
Would kinda make sense too, because as a kid I thought Rudolph's dad was also the coach. It's the same figure but with a cal and whistle.
sounds a lot like my boss when he's mad...
Maybe bosses talk tough with worker bees.. And then cower when talking to their own manager.
His voice went from a drill sergeant to a little kid
He uses an elf voice in front of Santa, and a boss voice to the elves.
It's interesting that as much as the head elf sounds like a grouchy old man, he's one of the few surviving voice cast members.
He's 92 currently
R.I.P
I recall reading from a book about the making of this movie, and the author stated that he wasn't sure how the voice changed but gave a theory. The thing is, I don't remember the exact details. I think it had something to do with this part of the movie being recorded in a different location from the rest of it.
Man puberty hits him harder then usual
This makes total sense to me. He has one voice for authority, like he’s a boss, and one voice for subservience, like he’s serving Santa. Can you imagine if he used the boss voice on Santa?
Santa is his boss. If he acts rude and loud in front of his own boss he's gonna be fired.
I always had the impression that he only talked like that when Santa is around cuz he's a suckup
Carl Banas
When watching this part as a kid, I naturally took this in stride because there are people out there that are nice in one situation, but can turn into a big grouch when their 'ire' gets roused.
What I’m thinking is that he might change his voice around Santa? Because I believe he only used the voice around Santa. And when he left. He went back to a gruff voice.
I might be wrong but that might be what’s going on.
Maybe he's got a thing for Mrs. Claus.😁
It is believed that the line was added late in production and voiced by a different actor
Carl Banas used both the meek and gruff voices for that character
I’m pretty sure the fact that he sounds different when he’s nice or angry is the joke.
He's just an ass kisser.
And a one-a! and a two-a and a three-a! ......
WHY WEREN'T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WHAAAT!?!?!?!?!?!?
I think Lawrence Welk says that too.
Who'd have thought the guy who voiced this dude would have been one of last surviving cast members of this movie
One thing to note is that the Head Elf imitates popular (at the time) TV bandleader, Lawrence Welk, saying his famous catchphrase "and a one-a, and a two-a, and a three-a", so that likely has something to do with the voice change section.
That is what I thought.
I think his WHY WEREN'T YOU AT END PRACTICE voice is his sorta strict, serious voice, and the other one is his normal one. Kinda like the way Him speaks in the Powerpuff Girls.
My theory is that the voice actor for the Head Elf probably didn't have time to record that one line so I think that line was recorded at the last minute.
It's called sucking up to the boss, especially he says, "And remember...it's for Santa!" He's acting the way he thinks Santa wants him to act.
“We don’t need any chewing dolls!”
*Tell that to Baby Alive.*
We had a Cabbage Patch doll that chewed on things way before Baby Alive. it got recalled cause it could sometimes chew on a kid's hair... and not stop.
Maybe he was right.
@@jamie1602 Baby Alive dolls first came around in the 1970s. The Snack Time Cabbage Patch Kid (the one that got recalled) came out in the mid 90s
Is anyone going to talk about his clothes look like buddy from Elf? it could be Papa elf in his youth
...Papa Elf's origin story to why he never married. He was too busy micromanaging and being a jerk to Hermie and the other elves. HEADCANON ACCEPTED. Wrap it up. Question is... What made Papa Elf so lovable and kind? Maybe a certain someone breaking his heart ala Scrooge in A Christmas Carol but instead of becoming a relentless buttmunch he becomes a more tender elf?
Also maybe Hemie pulling that infected tooth helped him so...
We're doing the deep lore diving here. MatPat should pay us.
W H Y _ W E R E N ' T _ Y O U _ A T _ E L F _ P R A C T I S E ? ! (But for real thought it's just plain out classic voice humor)
“WHY WEREN’T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE!?!?!?!?!?”
Maybe the elf was attempting a parody of Lawrence Welk? - and a ona and a twoa, etc.
I think he was showing off for santa and trying to impress him
He’s smiling for Santa.
He sounds like Yosemite Sam on Looney Tunes. He even has a slight southern accent!
”HERMEY AREN’T YOU FINISHED ERADICATING THAT DIRTY STINKIN RABBIT?! AH HATE DEM COTTON PICKING VARMINTS!! AND WHY IN TARNATION WEREN’T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE?! YOU WILL NEVER FIT IN UNTIL YOU LEARN TO HUNT A RABBIT. GOOD GRIEF!!
(Meek voice) Right Santa, keep my temper in check… (to himself) Dirtyrakinfrackinshakinkrat… 😂
When I was a little kid I always assumed it showed what a weaselly little jerk the head elf was. His real personality was a grouchy eh hole, then pretended to be all sweet and elflike for Santa boy. Even the obsequious servile way he looks back to make sure Santa approves to me as a kid was HILARIOUS. And I grew up to encounter 2 faced type bosses just like him who would change their personality to suit the bigwigs or peons in the room.
Wow after all these years I never noticed that lol. Maybe it's because he wanted to sound nice in front of Santa.
As a kid I thought he was just trying to sound inisint in front of Santa
...I'm thirty and my mind is blown that he has a "nice voice" for his boss and a "regular voice" for the elves under him. You posted this in 2015.
WHY. ALGORITHM WHY! WHY NOW?! WHY DID YOU BREAK ME NOW?!
Ever notice in all these specials Santa is bald?
Well, I always thought it was weird that Rudolph looks different in Rudolph's Shiny New Year. Must have gotten a replacement because of a salary dispute with original actor.
hair is troublesome to animate..hence why almost all the male elves are bald too.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that has noticed the voice change for 50 some odd years. Also, I can't be the only one who hears the head elf call him Herbie instead of Hermie? Right about at the 5 second mark?
Years ago, they made a couple changes to the original version. They edited the song, and sped it up, to save time. When they did, they made an error in the adjustment of the head elf's voice. There's a video somewhere here on YT that explains the error.
It's pretty simple.
He has separate personalities
Maybe Herbie should study psychiatry instead of dentistry.
@@dr.migalitoloveless1651 It is pronounced Hermy.
Either he's more timid around Santa or he's pretending not to be such a big tough meanie when Santas around
The first one. Santa intimidates him, so he stops using his fake deep voice that HE uses to intimidate the other elves.
AMAZING that it was recorded and used in the show - nice bit of realism - suck up to Santa
I always thought that something in the original was said that might not have been appropriate for today's viewers. But all makes sense now...
I think in my earlier viewings as a kid, I thought it was supposed to be two different elves, but once I got the DVD a couple years ago I did a double take.
Kevin Sean Feeney what is the reason?
MagentaSky 234 I noticed that when hes in front of santa his voice changed to a more friendlyer tone but as soon and Santa and mrs claws leave he gets back to that crazy ass tone, perhaps hes just putting up a facade to look good. And bashes his elves when saint nick aint around
No more excuses. Go to Elf Practice.
I hate Elf Practice.
It’s because Santa sitting near by so he’s trying to sound like a nice guy.
Okay, in answer to the question about the Chief Elf, he is very bossy around his minions, but in front of Santa he is sort of an ass kisser, which is why he sounded more like a polite servant. How hard was this to understand?
Chief Elf rocks this special.
He’s using his fake voice whenever Santa is around.
I think he's trying to be nice for santa
He's got a thing for Mrs. Claus.
First he sounds like Yosemite Sam then he sounds like Spongebob.
Nope it's Bugs bunny's voice
Also he’s channeling Lawrence Welk with his counting but the young ones of today wouldn’t know that, I’m guessing !
does anyone to this very day know who the different voice of the Head elf was at 0:20??? we all know that ISN'T Mr. Banas it does sound like Mel Blanc mixed in with some Bill Thompson like voice. if anyone has info on who the voice actor in post-production was please let me know! -Chuck Jose
If Mel Blanc can do both the voices of George Jetson’a boss Mr. Spacely (who also sounds gruff and bossy) and Bugs Bunny than it isn’t a stretch to say that Banas could do both voices for the Head Elf.
That's my favorite part of the movie - the chief elf's voice changes for no apparent reason.
The Head Elf has some anger issues.
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Thanks for pointing that out; I never noticed until now!
It's never too late to correct this, it really is jarring for an established character to have his voice completely changed. I get that the talent wasn't available for this change but let's get a sound alike to fix this. I guess that would get the purists panties in a bunch wouldn't it?
WHY WEREN'T YOU AT ELF PRACTICE!?
He's stingy from lazy town.
The worst thing about it is at that the guy has a deep voice that's scary and then he has a has a young child's voice lol how did this even happen when will we get at the behind the scenes secrets of this scene
Can this guy get his own movie, he’s the best!
Yeah, he rocked this special.
He should have had his own movie. And Hermie could have made a cameo.
It was a cut scene and they added it back in except there was no soundtrack so they had to add a different voice don't know why they didn't try to sound like the first one but I think that's what happened
Put it on Vine.
Wow. I don't know if I noticed that before
WHAT THAT IS WEIRD I JUST NOTICED IT BEFORE WATCHING THIS
I've always wondered this😂
Hes Lil Jon sometimes ‘WHAAAAT!!’ Lol Some one should do a mashup video . Lol
What I heard was the part when they played for Santa was added in afterwards so they used I different voice for that part.
0:23 how many of you guys noticed that lip change?! XD
He's sucking up to Santa. I thought it was a great touch.
You think this is weird? In Frosty the Snowman, when the kids are trying to come up with names for the snowman, one kid sounds like a totally grown man, like a bass - the one who says, "Bruce?" Check out THAT scene - what happened there?
This is the funniest part of the movie LoL fail
Finish the job, or you’re fired!
tell me doesn't your voice change in front of the boss?
Meh, why does Yukon Cornelius lick his pick axe? Because it's Rudolph.
Because, he was actually looking for peppermint. There's a part that they edited out, that explained it.
This sounds like SpongeBob istg 😂😂😂
He’s like an Oblivion NPC
*W H Y W E R N ' T Y O U A T E L F P R A C T I C E ?*
The mouth piece change at 0:23 is really weird too. How often does that configuration pop up?
It very simple God damn people he was sounding to be nice and professional in front of his boss Santa
That’s his real voice and the voice at first is angry mode and yell
Perhaps this was a voice acting mistake that they either glossed over and didn’t bother to fix
It is believed that a line was added late in production and voiced by a different actor
@@superjackster0165 that sounds very possible
@@catvoncrimson666 It's nothing complicated. When he's around Santa he puts on a friendly demeanor but with the other elves, his true personality reveals itself. I think that's an obvious joke.
@@SnoutMajor I forgot how many assholes were in this movie.
@@catvoncrimson666 Wasn't trying to be but that's your opinion. :\
0:21 He sounds like Bugs Bunny. 😂💀
I've always wondered this too
I thought I was the only one who noticed this! 😱
Also....why do the reindeer live in caves? Where's the nice comfy stalls? Seems Rudolph had more of an effect on how the North Pole works than we've been told
It was a continuity problem. Near the end of the wrap up, they realized they needed that extra line. The voice actor wasn’t available, so some other actor was used for that one line.
I know the son of Bernard Cowan, the Bumble and voice director. He told me about that particular glitch.
Except for Burl Ives, all the other voice actors were Toronto actors.
Thanks for that! I had to Google Bernard Cowan and got this thread: twitter.com/twitandrewking/status/1070505906826285056?s=20&t=lMOfam5rwsZsOUG8zM-0Hg
@@JohnChu
His friends called him Bunny. I met Paul Soles (Hermie) a couple of times at voice auditions. He was a very nice guy.
Merry Christmas, all!
Totally.... always wondered that myself 😁
I’m pretty sure he’s just kissing up to Santa because he’s his boss
From yosite sam to jerry lewis the nutty professor.
Here's the real question....
WHY DOES HE HAVE BUDDY THE ELFS CLOTHES?
Elf practice that’s what
That sounded terrible. The tenor section was *_W E A K_*
His Raccoon friends can explain it.
Maybe he going threw the change