Making records at home - my disc recorder project

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  • UPDATE - 21 March 2022 - please see below
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    The latest, after a five-year gap, of my efforts to build a working record lathe for home use. This video tries to explain a bit about what such a machine is and how mine works, and ends with a demonstration of results achieved, interleaving the original mono mix of the source file with playback from the record made from it. You can jump straight to the playback demo at 8:48.
    Sources and acknowledgements:
    Disc recorder block diagram - Donald Aldous, "Manual of direct disc recording", Bernards 1943
    Cutterhead diagram - Larry Boden, "Basic disc mastering", 2nd ed. 2012
    Pressing process diagram - welcometo1979.com/
    Stepper motor drivers - learn.watterot...
    V-Slot aluminium extrusions - ooznest.co.uk/
    Linear rail unit - tech.thk.com/
    Z-axis slide - www.optosigma....
    FreeCad - www.freecadweb...
    3D printing service - i.materialise....
    Coin exciters - www.tectonicau...
    Sapphire embossing stylus - www.recordlath...
    Audacity audio software - www.audacityte...
    Music for demodisc - Jason Shaw, audionautix.com/
    The very wonderful Lathe Trolls site - www.lathetroll...
    UPDATE: 21 March 2022
    =====================
    I've put together a first cut version of some instructions on how to build the lathe described in this video. Be aware that these instructions have been compiled some time after the event and are based on my memories of what I did at the time; so please forgive any omissions or inaccuracies.
    The instructions relate to the lathe frame, transport and cutter head only. You will need to supply your own turntable deck, amplifier, any signal processing gear etc.
    I've also uploaded my original FreeCad files for the dozen or so 3D-printable parts. These have the extension .FCStd, and you will need the FreeCad software to load these and export them to your printable file format of choice, e.g. .STL.
    The system I built uses a stepper motor to move the cutter head transport, and this motor is controlled by an Arduino, which is itself harnessed by software ('Vinyl Burn') running on a PC. Vinyl Burn - developed in C# using Visual Studio - enables the user to plan out a record side, listing sound files (.WAV only) to be used, and setting characteristics of the record such as groove pitches, inter-track gaps, run-ins and -outs, playing speed and so on. When the user starts the cutting process, Vinyl Burn plays each of the sound files in turn through the PC's sound card, while sending signals via USB to the Arduino to control the cutter head motor speed.
    'Vinyl Burn' and the associated Arduino sketch are more than likely to need some rewriting to reflect your own system's hardware, logic etc. Specifically, the Arduino software, as it stands, caters for a 20 x 4 LCD readout (interfaced via a 74HC595 register), two photo-interrupter limit switch circuits, the stepper motor driver itself (TMC 2208) and an optional thermistor circuit. I've included these two sets of software really as a possible starting point for your own project.
    All software released under GPL 3.0, instructions document under Creative Commons 4.0. All are offered 'as-is' and absolutely no warranty is given.
    Instructions, FreeCad files and Arduino sketch: github.com/dn7...
    Vinyl Burn: github.com/dn7...
    Good luck!

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  • @blackmore1030
    @blackmore1030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    Although the recording is a bit less "alive" than the original, it's still the only homemade record cutter on youtube that produces actually enjoyable records :)

    • @nedelcuconstantin9450
      @nedelcuconstantin9450 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check what i built :) : th-cam.com/video/uFqQ1Uyjqd8/w-d-xo.html

    • @robfriedrich2822
      @robfriedrich2822 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      There are some companies, recording discs and one of them had no frequency above 6 kHz. It sounded so bad, compared with this, a 1950's shellac was way better and also a 20 hit compilation. And this company wanted much money for this.
      So the DIY cutter does pretty good results, much brilliance.

    • @viniciusarlindo9432
      @viniciusarlindo9432 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Aonde tem disponível este cortador ​@@robfriedrich2822

    • @viniciusarlindo9432
      @viniciusarlindo9432 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Por favor gostaria de saber aonde eu consigo comprar as peças para eu montar a minha gravadora

  • @onomatopoeidia
    @onomatopoeidia หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Only the very best and most clever videos get rewarded with so few vids. That’s the unjust YT algorithm. Thanks so much again for this great effort!.

  • @specowos
    @specowos ปีที่แล้ว +10

    that is one of the coolest things i’ve ever seen, that sound quality for that is insane

  • @fretlessfender
    @fretlessfender 2 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    You bring this video quite casual... but this is nothing short but a miracle! The sound quality you managed to achieve is huge!

  • @uncommon1369
    @uncommon1369 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    fabulous!

  • @dean6816
    @dean6816 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Cant believe how good that sounds!!

  • @dariuszmular1051
    @dariuszmular1051 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Very good job! I built a CNC milling machine for cutting Styrofoam and a CNC milling machine myself, I even had fun as a DJ for several years and I always wanted to have such a plate milling machine, many years have passed and it turns out that it can be done at a low cost :-) Thank you for you shared so much information, it's inspiring and I'm very happy about such projects :-)

  • @ianmarlowe3936
    @ianmarlowe3936 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is absolutely amazing. I have been wanting to build a record lathe for some time and this is by far the best jumping off point I've come across. The work you've done here is phenomenal!

  • @audiophile1024
    @audiophile1024 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Outstanding result. Congratulations.

  • @noelg3384
    @noelg3384 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is amazing what you have done, fantastic good on you the best sounding home disc cutter I have listened to. 😇😍🤩

  • @jeepsimorq
    @jeepsimorq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I tried almost same project but for the recording media I used CDs and DVDs! Which are made of polycarbonate as well! It was a surprise for my friends to see I have analogue records on CDs! It was for fun anyways! Mine was super low quality though, you did a great job. Amazing results. Well done

  • @palashproduction4723
    @palashproduction4723 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Vinyl is an open source format because the patent expired a long time ago. This means that bands can get together and create their own label for their fans. It may not be as good as professional studios, but it's definitely worth it. At least singles could be made in relatively decent editions. Punks Not Dead, just sleeping off the hangover. This is what recording democracy looks like :)

  • @rizzlerazzleuno4733
    @rizzlerazzleuno4733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for taking the effort for recording and posting this video. Very interesting project.

  • @ElectromagneticVideos
    @ElectromagneticVideos ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a great project with fantastic results! Sometimes in old movies you see a machine like this, presumably in the days before tape recording. Cool to see the
    "modern" DIY version. Regards from Canada!

  • @randyvalentineofficial8345
    @randyvalentineofficial8345 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you should show more of these clips.. really appreciate this one

  • @gustav0celis
    @gustav0celis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is unbelievably beautiful!!! Genius!
    greetings from Chile

  • @raysoucie489
    @raysoucie489 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for showing this and It convinces me to repair the older recorders that I bought from Ebay

  • @semarcouteauxrasoir6481
    @semarcouteauxrasoir6481 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks to share your knowledge, i'm very impressed by the result and i'm on the way to do it 🔥

  • @AMOKIAN
    @AMOKIAN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the video. I used to cut laquers, acetates, dub plates and made real records. But I really enjoy home made lath cutters and even the novelty toys too.

  • @DANVIIL
    @DANVIIL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent results!

  • @alfredtrerotola990
    @alfredtrerotola990 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing!

  • @alottafrancium
    @alottafrancium ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool! I would love to build a project like this. 👍 Very informative and concise on your research steps with results you've gathered.

  • @kamuy_1337
    @kamuy_1337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Glad you're back, and great job with your project!
    I watched your videos a few years back, and then this video. The playback sound quality has improved a lot, also the record lathe has changed over the years. I would like to watch more of your videos! :D

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you very much! Glad you liked the video!

    • @richindesign4671
      @richindesign4671 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson hi David, wow I think you hit the target there. I've spent the day going from seeing the Japan toy 5" recorder player, through various others, and to finish on your video just puts the cherry on the cake. Love it.
      Now tell me. Can you send an email to me with the spec and details how I can build the same? I would love to make one and try it out.
      Also what would you charge if I sent you a track / song I've written, performed and produced myself ( no copyright issues ) and you lathe one off for me to hear for real?
      Thanks
      Rich

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks for your comment! I've seen some good reviews of the Gakken machine - it seems to work surprisingly well, given that it is really a toy.
      As for making your own device, I'm putting together a set of instructions - kind of reverse-engineering them really, based on remembering what I did! - which, when complete, I will upload to the Lathe Trolls website. If you're new to the world of making records, the Lathe Trolls site is really the place to start, as it is full of vital information, and populated by hundreds of enthusiasts. Be warned, though - making records is *not* an inexpensive hobby! I worked my way through over £1,000 developing my own machine, and that's purely for embossing, rather than cutting which is a far more involved and expensive prospect.
      I'm not ready just yet to take on orders for manufacturing records for others, but when I am, I will make some sort of announcement on TH-cam.
      Regards, David

  • @mwnci1000
    @mwnci1000 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For years I have wanted to build a lathe, but what I had found so far did not sound at all good. The quality of the sound of your recordings is amazing.

  • @miltoneduardososa378
    @miltoneduardososa378 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Congratulations and thanks for sharing your experience, as well as, the technical knowledge.
    Record lathes have caught my attention a lot but I was never able to find technical details of the key parts like the cutting head.
    More videos please!

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can recommend the Lathe Trolls website. Posters there range from professional disc recordists with 40 years' experience to complete beginners; the site also has a section dedicated to vintage documentation.

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mark Animaco The conical sapphire stylus is used to impress or 'emboss' the groove, with no material being removed. The groove is not 'cut' in the traditional way using this method. However, polycarbonate can be cut using a diamond cutting stylus, which presents a sharp, chisel-shaped face to the surface.

  • @aurynaichi7030
    @aurynaichi7030 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing and a lot of hard work!

  • @adriancressy8363
    @adriancressy8363 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good for you. A lot of hard work and it sounds fabulous. Just a tiny slight difference

  • @zylascope
    @zylascope 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's awesome. Thanks for sharing! ❤

  • @pcallas66
    @pcallas66 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's fantastic!!!

  • @lucaslac124
    @lucaslac124 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The cut disk sounds like an early 50s record in terms of clarity. Not bad!

  • @Popaholic
    @Popaholic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is very good!!

  • @andrewandrosow4797
    @andrewandrosow4797 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hello! Good work! Good video! I tried making mohe records several years ago. I came to several conclusions - the resonant frequency of the system "record coil - disc" is extremely important: you have a mechanical lowpass filter - roughly 12 dB per octave. I made several types of recorders (from aluminum profiles, coil, and neodymium magnet). I used only the mono record technique. The first variant had a resonance at 800 Hz. The sound was horrible - I could write up to 3kHz.The final variant had a resonant frequency 2000Hz - but , the resonance was very sharp and narrow - when we have, for example, a loud soprano voice, overcutting occurs. The frequency in my case wasn`t high enough - you must have at least 4000Hz. I understood - firstly: the resonant frequency must be as high as possible; secondly: a weight of moving system must be as small as possible. The last important thing is that the front surface of a cutter must be oriented to a disk surface at 90Deg. Otherwise, you will lose high frequencies - like in tape recorder (when gaps in the recording head and the reproducing head aren`t parallel).

  • @ronanramos3773
    @ronanramos3773 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amazing sound quality!

  • @ANIGHTWING
    @ANIGHTWING ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the quality of the copy from the original is great, in a way I kind of like the copy more, lol. The copy seemed to have had more of a bite to it. Ether way really cool and so far the best quality home record I have heard yet. :)

  • @B0A2
    @B0A2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Impressive sound quality

  • @lookoutleo
    @lookoutleo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your a real engineer , those records sound great. Wish you could do me some 30s stuff at 45 to play on my music centre :) love to many years :)

  • @AjaySingh-us6vl
    @AjaySingh-us6vl 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great Work !! My Best wishes !! Go Ahead....

  • @ourstarsRstars
    @ourstarsRstars ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely amazing job! The people at Phonocut that have been trying to build a simple to use lathe should’ve used you as a consultant considering they keep on pushing back the release date. Not by a little amount of time but years. Anyway I’m sure you’ve been asked a million times already but would you ever consider building one to sell? If so I’m ready! Loved the video!

  • @CHARLIEtheCATofficial
    @CHARLIEtheCATofficial 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent!!! Well done

  • @SO_DIGITAL
    @SO_DIGITAL ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds pleasant.

  • @whitewavesrec
    @whitewavesrec 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, a loooooooot of respect!!!

  • @ttguitarstringstt1550
    @ttguitarstringstt1550 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very cool!.

  • @avacreativemedia
    @avacreativemedia 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is superb Video David really well put together, nicely clear edited and the voiceover is concise and clear too. Thank you, I'm just becoming interested in this area, i have an electronics and audio background. Was a mastering tech for 10 years creating the masters that went off on DAT tape and Exabyte to people that cut the disc. Been vinyl collecting for 35yrs, but i'm considering taking this a stage further and experiencing the process of cutting. I build everything myself preamps, power supplies, anything that involves soldering irons and PCB's, C# programming, and hack/maker side of things. I think what you have done , developed and researched over the past few years has paid off. Well done lots of time put into this project.

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your comment - much appreciated coming from a mastering technician! In an earlier profession I was a computer programmer, so used my knowledge of C# to write the PC control software ('Vinyl Burn'), which plays the music files and sends the appropriate signals to an Arduino to control the lathe stepper.

  • @hroyd
    @hroyd ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job

  • @sammygold5078
    @sammygold5078 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good

  • @alanKIMBROUGH
    @alanKIMBROUGH ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what size and type bearing do you use in your recorder love this awsome job
    thanks Alan cheers

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      See the preamble to the video - contains GitHub links to my build instructions!

  • @cawfeeea8608
    @cawfeeea8608 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so sick dude

  • @recvival995
    @recvival995 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS U!!!!!!!!!!

  • @paulmacca3974
    @paulmacca3974 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations !

  • @gabrielepasqualoni7362
    @gabrielepasqualoni7362 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    complimenti per la realizzazione del suo tornio incisore ! alla fine si è capito che bisogna equalizzare la sorgente sonora e rendere la meccanica di controllo più stabile (rigida) possibile
    mi stupisce, tuttavia ,la qualità del suono sul supporto di policarbonato!

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Grazie! Ho provato diversi tipi di plastica, ma l'unico che ha dato risultati accettabili è stato il policarbonato. (Tradotto da Google)

  • @SharpblueCreative
    @SharpblueCreative 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow - impressed. The recording sounded a bit brighter to me - other than that the same.

  • @aimetutorials
    @aimetutorials 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hello David, thanks for sharing all your work! I really appreciate it!
    Are you working on a next version already?
    Greetings from cologne, Germany!

  • @AriaMusicVibe
    @AriaMusicVibe 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Much better than the teenage engineering one. I want one please

  • @yerpaderpa5k73
    @yerpaderpa5k73 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic demonstration! How much weight do you apply to your cutting head?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! The total force exerted at the stylus tip is 40 grams. This is the force recommended by the manufacturers of the stylus.

    • @yerpaderpa5k73
      @yerpaderpa5k73 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidseannelson Thank you very much for your response, David. I’m working on a Vanrock Atom E-101 at the moment and trying to troubleshoot some things. It’s fully functioning with new sapphire needle but it isn’t yielding good results.

  • @pnmadhu1962
    @pnmadhu1962 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Congratulations and thanks for sharing this valuable information regarding record cutting. I am interested in this project. I would love to cut some records for myself. Once more thank you very much.

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Delighted it's been of use to you, thanks!

  • @Gigidag77
    @Gigidag77 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if you could raise the trebble prior to cutting to get closer to the source.

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      For embossing there is a physical constraint on the HF limit, in that the groove is impressed using a conical stylus, with a circular cross-section: the wavelength of the signal, as recorded in the groove, cannot be shorter than the diameter of this cross-section. On a good day I can get 8 - 10 K response.

  • @omegadeca
    @omegadeca 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is impressive. What can be done to improve it further to have a crisper sound? Just curious.

  • @SucculentforLife
    @SucculentforLife 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pretty close 😍 👍

  • @mandrivapaul
    @mandrivapaul 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good work! Thanks for useful info.

  • @bilitore
    @bilitore 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ¡This is amazing, thanks for share!

  • @BenjaminFrock
    @BenjaminFrock 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice work!

  • @Mrpurple75
    @Mrpurple75 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very improved

  • @tweeleaf
    @tweeleaf ปีที่แล้ว

    i reckon with some more eq compensation, it will sound a lot closer to the original.

  • @Mirellarecords
    @Mirellarecords 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excelent!!! How many watts got your amp? Sorry my bad English I'm from argentina

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The amp is an ordinary domestic hi-fi separate, 85 W per channel.

    • @Mirellarecords
      @Mirellarecords 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidseannelson thanks for answer man I try the made this machine in the past . You know how is the minimum watts from a amp that I need to make a good emboss on polycarbonate disc? . I love this machine man congratulations 👏

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Mirellarecords The two drivers in my cutter head are rated at 2 W continuous, but the extra headroom supplied by the 85 W amplifier is needed for short (a few ms) high-frequency peaks, such as in percussion. If the peaks are short enough the drivers will handle them without being destroyed - but it's wise to install a fuse in the line to each driver, just in case! Even the professional heads can only handle about 10 W continuous, but their amplifiers can be in the hundreds of watts.

    • @Mirellarecords
      @Mirellarecords 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@davidseannelson thank you so much !!!

  • @embrionikelektra
    @embrionikelektra 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hai im from indonesia. can i make my band records on vinyl. how much cost i pay, thank you

  • @froknzokremixes
    @froknzokremixes 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can hear more harsh mids and a dip in high freq on the cut , than the original. Probably, with a bit of eq during the cut you can fix it

  • @JMDAmigaMusic
    @JMDAmigaMusic ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonder if this can be achieved with a laser

  • @ilive4god2007
    @ilive4god2007 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Gosh.. Man, you are genius! Greetings from Ukraine )

  • @sc0or
    @sc0or ปีที่แล้ว

    You forgot two block on the initial process diagram: a sound mastering for a vinyl (which is very important), and a sound level prediction controller, that makes an intergroove distance smaller or bigger

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agree with you on mastering. The diagram in my video was taken from a 1940s manual for direct-to-disc recording, in which all signal processing must be done on the fly, at the time the musical performance is given. This is accomplished by the pre-amp, EQ unit and recording amp in the signal chain. For the same reason, it's generally not possible to adjust groove pitch for such recordings, unless the recordist is given prior knowledge of when to expect louder passages in the performance being recorded. Professional vinyl cutting studios, with the performance already in some recorded format, e.g. tape, do use variable pitch cutting; for the moment at least, I'm not bothering with that level of refinement!

    • @sc0or
      @sc0or ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson Yes, I see. Actually I meant a proper compression, mono signal at low freqs, and so on. But you might know better your project, and when will be a proper time to apply this.

  • @dollarbill6102
    @dollarbill6102 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just found this. If you dont mind me asking about how much dud it cost you to assemble that final cutter?

  • @alasdairmacdonald23
    @alasdairmacdonald23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fabulously inspiring ! Cheers!:-)

  • @dylangergutierrez
    @dylangergutierrez 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is amazing! Have you considered trying to record at half or quarter speed?

  • @mohamedfgaier967
    @mohamedfgaier967 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hi
    for 12 inch vinyl 33rpm,how much speed rpm for stepper motor cutter head to get space between grooves??
    for 7 inch 45 rpm ,how much speed for cutter head motor??

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It depends on how far apart you want the groove windings to be... Generally I use between 70 and 110 lines/cm, depending on programme length and space available. As an example, let's take 80 lines/cm as your groove pitch. This means that the cutter head carriage has to advance by 1 mm in the time it takes the platter to rotate eight times. (Assume 1:1 gearing and a linear actuator thread pitch of 1 mm.) Then for a 33 rpm record, this would take 1.8 x 8 = 14.4 s, indicating a carriage motor speed of 4.17 rpm. For a 45 rpm record, the calculation would be 1.33 x 8 = 10.67 s, meaning that the motor would turn at 5.625 rpm.

  • @rymoaudio
    @rymoaudio 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey David! I'm looking to purchase a lathe - is there a way I can discuss this with you? Not sure how to get in touch otherwise. Thanks!

  • @DoowopJohnnyBoy
    @DoowopJohnnyBoy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you provide a cutting service I want to cut 30 vinyl acetates of my first single fro 95 ?

  • @Capturing-Memories
    @Capturing-Memories ปีที่แล้ว

    Does the head transport moves linearly or according to a curve where low frequencies have wide grooves and high frequencies have narrow grooves to save disc space?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      The groove pitch is set for each track on a side. Given the very limited excursion (lateral stylus movement) for embossed records, there is no real need to worry about shortage of space. I can get about 8 minutes, sometimes quite a bit more, on one side of a 7-inch 45.

  • @EthicRadioArchiveReels
    @EthicRadioArchiveReels 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    David you're a freaking genius man can you build us a recording head with transport mechanism unit?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm gradually putting together a set of instructions on how to build one! A good place to start meanwhile is the Lathe Trolls site, which contains a mass of information on record cutting and manufacture, and its contributors range from ex-industry engineers with 40 years' experience to complete beginners.

    • @EthicRadioArchiveReels
      @EthicRadioArchiveReels 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson Ok great we're apart of the lathe trolls community @ EthicStudios 😃 we have a Presto modle G machine,we been looking for tubes for the amp if you know a place please let us know 🙏 😉

    • @EthicRadioArchiveReels
      @EthicRadioArchiveReels 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello Mr. Nelson we need your help 🙏 can you send us a email on how to build a stereo cutting head 😀? We need a list of the electronical parts...thanks in advanced Sir

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The audio drivers in the head are 2 watt, P/N TEAX19C01-8, available from RS Components and other electronics suppliers. They cost a very few pounds or dollars each. All my signal processing, EQ etc is done digitally at the workstation, so the hardware chain (at present) is simply sound card -> amplifier -> recording head. I'd recommend some kind of meter circuit (VU) after the amp, which you can calibrate as required, and *definitely* a fuse in each signal line, again after the amp. I use 500 mA slow-blow fuses, and they have saved me from disaster on many occasions!

  • @Sooxfarsbabymama
    @Sooxfarsbabymama 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mass production yet?

  • @punkrockjemojzivot
    @punkrockjemojzivot 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just add a bit of bass on the EQ and it could sound almost just like original, nice

  • @richardosontvbox3426
    @richardosontvbox3426 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quanto um projeto desse você faz

  • @JayTronik1
    @JayTronik1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you are a very smart person to build your own vinyl record cutter, whats the longest duration you can record and how much would it cost to get a disc? just curious... i mean, I would love to have a vinyl with some of my songs on it without paying hundred or even thousands of dollars

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      About 11 minutes seems to be the absolute limit for a 7-inch 45 r.p.m. side. I'd recommend 6 minutes as ideal and a maximum of no more than about 8 min 30 sec.
      I'm hoping to be in a position to offer a disc-production service very soon...!

    • @Jukebox45s
      @Jukebox45s ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson - Hello David - Please let me know when you have the disc-production service ready as I have been waiting for an affordable option to create 45s for my jukebox. Thanks

    • @jimmiesmith5811
      @jimmiesmith5811 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson Right 6 minutes anything over that then you might be running into distortion

  • @franciscochagas5891
    @franciscochagas5891 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello, I started this project but I'm having difficulty in building the sensors, and where to connect the arduino... can you help me?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      The Arduino Uno connects to your PC through its USB port, and is controlled by the Vinyl Burn software running on the PC. I've just uploaded a scan of my hand-drawn circuit diagram, and an explanatory text file, to GitHub. This shows connections between the Arduino, the TMC2208 stepper driver and the limit sensors. If you're using the HY870P photointerrupters, or similar, you need resistors on both the LED and the sensor - I used 470 ohm for the LED and 10k for the sensor (connected as a pull-down). Hope this helps!

    • @franciscochagas5891
      @franciscochagas5891 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson thanks for the feedback, tomorrow my arduino will be arriving... in this case I'm going to use micro switches not photo sensors

    • @franciscochagas5891
      @franciscochagas5891 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson I'm trying to understand your drawing diagram, but it's difficult and the written part I have to translate into Brazilian...I'm picking up maybe the photo is more clear thanks

  • @may_68
    @may_68 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work. I did wonder though why you converted the idler to belt drive? Obviously a change of motor would require reworking but an idler would give better w&f.

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! My earlier attempts at this project used an original Lenco 75 idler drive deck, but I found that its motor could not provide enough torque to keep the platter up to speed under the heavy recording head. The platter would run slow at the start of recording, and gradually speed up as the head approached the centre of the record. The effect was more-or-less bearable on 7-inch records, but on anything much bigger, the change in speed became very obvious.
      Using a stepper motor and a belt may seem bizarre (and heretical to Lenco users), but the speed is absolutely constant now, even at the edge of a 12-inch disc. I measured W&F at 0.11%, which is to all intents undetectable by most people. Through use of a home-built PI controller, the speed is steady enough to allow pictures to be drawn in the grooves - see my other video, "Vinyl Draw", for details of this!

    • @may_68
      @may_68 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidseannelson thanks for the reply. I can imagine the Lenco wouldn’t have the torque required and by no means was it meant as a criticism. I am In awe with your project. It’s just that an idler drive has a peculiar and useful property in that the drive engages more so when load is increased. I just wondered what would happen if you drove the pulley with the stepper motor. Cheers

  • @DaviHenn
    @DaviHenn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hello! first of all, sorry for the poor english, i'm from Brazil and i'am a huge fan of your project since the beginning. Watching your oldest videos i was abble to made my own lathe at home, only with 'junk' available at home. the lathe works very well and aloud me to release 100 copies of my first single as musician. i really don't know how to express how im gratefull for your machines updates and videos. there somethings that i didn't quite understand yet, like how many watts you have to send to the cutter-head? theres some abbey road videos theres the engineer says something about 600w per speaker, but if i do that at home i certantly gonna blow up everything, can you help me out? thanks for the great work and the awesome PDF! and again, sorry for the poor english😁

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi and thanks for your comment! I'm very pleased that my older videos inspired you to make your own machine. The amplifier I use is an ordinary domestic hi-fi separate, 85 W, and the drivers on my latest recording head are rated for 2 W continuous. The apparent mismatch is because the extra power is needed to record very short, transient high-frequency details. If these are short enough - and the amplifier is not turned up too high - then the drivers will manage to dissipate the extra power without damage. However, experience has taught me to include a 500 mA fuse in the line to each driver, just in case. Even the professional heads can only handle about 10 W continuous, despite being driven by amplifiers in the 500 W - 1 kW range.

    • @DaviHenn
      @DaviHenn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson the quality is amazing! Thanks for the answer.

  • @JoeLaFon3
    @JoeLaFon3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is fascinating. I'd love to cut some records.

  • @perthvinylrecording3721
    @perthvinylrecording3721 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great work but why does your heads tilt forward it should be horizontal with the turntable when cutting or is the cradle diamond holder underneath horizontal?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The tilt of the head has been designed in to allow compensation for pick-up vertical tracking angle in stereo recordings. Opinion among hi-fi people is divided as to whether VTA compensation makes any difference at all - and it will indeed make no difference at all for my current production of embossed records, which tend to come out (mainly) in mono. However, at some future date I plan to do 'real' cutting, using a diamond cutting stylus, and will carry out comparison tests between this head and others with no tilt, to see if there is any difference! The stylus hole in the torque tube is bored at an equal complementary angle, so the stylus (whether for embossing or cutting) ends up vertical or thereabouts.

  • @theofficialcindywonderful
    @theofficialcindywonderful 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you sell these?

  • @ianmarlowe3936
    @ianmarlowe3936 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Which length linear rail unit does this use? I see several lengths available.

    • @ianmarlowe3936
      @ianmarlowe3936 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      200 - saw it in the github issue

  • @huemungus69
    @huemungus69 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seriously though, when can we buy these machines from you?!

  • @snerttt
    @snerttt ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish i had the time and dedication to do something like this (i also wish you were accepting commissions to cut CD's)

  • @rodrigocosta3368
    @rodrigocosta3368 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have instructables or patreon with the project? That’s actually the better project to record lp. Amazing the for the quality you achieved.

  • @svens4965
    @svens4965 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi David, at first thank you for the good building instruction! I try to build the VinylCutter. My problem is the arduino program. The arduino is detected in the UI but I can't see anything on the Display and the Stepper don't move. I used the same components out of your description. Can you share your arduino program?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi Sven, the Arduino sketch is on GitHub, in a sub-folder in the same directory as the instructions. As noted, you may need to make some alterations to it and the Vinyl Burn software to get it all to work with your own hardware.

  • @hroyd
    @hroyd ปีที่แล้ว

    What kind of torque do you need at the platter. I have technics SL1200, but not sure that is enough. Wonder if reloop rp7000 at 4.5kg/cm is enough?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      My turntable stepper motor is Wantai 42BYGHW609, which has a holding torque of 0.39 Nm or about 4 kg.cm, and the belt reduces the speed at the platter while correspondingly increasing torque. The actual running torque (to sustain speed under load without losing steps) will be rather less than the holding torque. I'm not sure if a holding torque of 4.5 kg.cm at the platter would be enough - the downforce at the recording stylus is 40 to 45 g, which is far more than that of a playback stylus. The Wantai motor easily handles the task without faltering, even at the edge of a 12-inch record.

    • @hroyd
      @hroyd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks!

  • @vincenzopisani9737
    @vincenzopisani9737 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, nice video, and very useful! Can I ask you for some advice? My name is Vincenzo and I live in Italy, I recently bought a vinyl engraver that works pretty well, but I'm having some problems with background noises, like creaking or 'clicks'. What can be done to get a cleaner sound? Do I need to work on the temperature of the needle or do I need to pass some liquid on the blank vinyl before recording, or something else? Thank you very much!

    • @ricouochi9678
      @ricouochi9678 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ciao Vincenzo, io da quel che so è meglio se il vinile è caldo (20-25 gradi) e poi cosa usi per soffiare\aspirare la polvere di vinile che genera la testina?

    • @vincenzopisani9737
      @vincenzopisani9737 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks it was an indispensable help. I solved problem . Thank you

  • @vanhartman325
    @vanhartman325 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Howdy David! I’m really interested in the programming behind the linear guard rail, is there any place I could get in contact with you to learn more?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hi - I've made the whole thing (design, 3D-print files, programming and instructions) open-source - you can download the lot from the links given in the introduction to the video above. Hope this helps!

    • @vanhartman325
      @vanhartman325 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson Thanks bunches mate you saved me a multiple headaches

  • @PioNunes
    @PioNunes ปีที่แล้ว

    By the way you described your original recording attempts I was really surprised by the quality of your disc recording. Have you managed to measure other characteristics such as stereo separation and THD?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The embossing process does not lend itself really to good stereo. There can be what I would have to describe as "spaciousness" in the sound, rather than true stereo. I have not attempted to measure harmonic distortion. Something to think about, I think!

  • @robinnorfolk628
    @robinnorfolk628 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    David the output is awesome. A very commendable job. Kudos. A question, would there be a better groove cutting if the plate is pre heated. What program do you run to run the stepper motor.

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Yes, heating the blank disc to about 35°C and using a lubricant both help create a better groove. I use a vivarium heat lamp. The best lubricant I've found is WD40. Care must be taken not to over-heat because of its low flashpoint!
      The stepper is controlled by software I wrote for Arduino, harnessed by a GUI/control module running on a PC.

  • @canadianman000
    @canadianman000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you thought of recording the records at 3/4 speed to shift that frequency response up a bit?

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      I did this on some of my earlier builds, before I found the small 2 W drivers that I now use. Frequency response is fairly good up to about 8-10 K. For embossing there is a physical constraint on the HF limit, in that the groove is impressed using a conical stylus, with a circular cross-section: the wavelength of the signal, as recorded in the groove, cannot be shorter than the diameter of this cross-section.

    • @canadianman000
      @canadianman000 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidseannelson In other words Yes you have... its just not that easy hahah. So to increase that response you need a narrower stylus?

  • @danielmannings8138
    @danielmannings8138 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you any closer on putting out the information on how to build this, I'm very keen on building one so i would gladly paid for some sort of construction guide if need be.

    • @davidseannelson
      @davidseannelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I haven't forgotten about this! I started assembling some instructions last year but have had other things to occupy me over the last few months. Hope to get a first-cut of some instructions ready before long.

  • @kodymonroe2613
    @kodymonroe2613 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    would you consider making one if i commision you? ive been trying to get ahold of a vinyl cutting lathe for 4 years now. very desperate