Dumb comparison lol You have brilliant darker hhx cymbals by Sabian, including a bright pair of aax hi hats. Up against natural lathed dark Zildjians lol... Not even remotely close to being a accurate recording comparison. One is essentially a rock/ volume set up and the other is “all around”.
The cymbal sets you are comparing are meant for completely different purposes - the Sabians are supposed to be loud and penetrating, as they are often used for rock/metal (and the stage like you mentioned).
I like the darker Zildjians. I'm a former mellophone player from a drum corps and we were taught to put our sound into the tuba's sound. The darker your sound the bigger you sound and the better you are able to fill the space.
IMO K customs and K Custom Hybrids are the perfect cymbals. I’ve had A’s and a few other types of brands but the hybrids were so good sounding. The hi hats, chinas and splashes were like having studio sound no matter where I was.
Hey Robert. Congrats on the subscribers! Yeah, I do like my dark K hihats, but sometimes they just sound too intense, too complex, not washy enough. Any micing ideas?!
hmmmm, most of the time I won't use a HH mic because I just end up muting it cuz it's just too much. I might increase the angle of the bottom cymbal to get more slosh/wash between the two. As for mics, Ive seen dynamics like SM7B or MD441 used on hats that are too crisp, or intense. might give them a softer, out of focus sound. Thanks for the comment, Sean!!
Hmmm, as far as i could hear, you need way more power on the z's to cut in the mix, no? They're pretty soft and mellow. The S's seem to be more present and cutting, which i would suggest, would be just a logical choice. Even for acoustic live jazz, just put a few sizzles in the ride, and it'll project enought, without diggin to much coal . . .
OKAY OKAY OKAY..... Most of the time pre packaged sets are usually a cash grab, so NEXT time you might wanna try some Sabian HHX thins, or even HH ones because these would be a better comparison, to the Zildjian's, especially because you just compared cymbals with a brilliant finish, versus cymbals that are simply lathed with small hammer marks. Congratulations on the subscribers and it all depends on what your recording!
Yea the cymbal models arent even close to being in the same categories or series lol. Pointless. You would have to compare HH to K’s. Because HHX use larger hammering hammers so the darker tones are trashier, where the HH are smaller hammering like that of the K’s...
I really appreciate your video, but I think these are not cymbals to be compared to start with. Maybe you coul have chosen more similar cymbals between both brands like, for example Ks against Legacy or Artisan..smth like that...
This is not an exact comparison. You are comparing an all-K setup with a mixed bag of Sabians. An all-HHX Sabian setup would be a better one. Obviously since both brands are used in all kinds of recordings, one is not "better" than another, just different. I'm a Sabian player because their sound is a little more focused than their Zildjian counterparts, but I have heard some great-sounding all-Zildjain setups over the years. I've never been a Paiste fan, even though they certainly have a LOT of fans out there. As long as it is a quality cymbal, use what sounds best to you.
You are comparing apples and oranges, first of all there are no Zildjian cymbals that a truly hand hammered and finished with the same craftsmanship as a Sabian. If you want a true comparison, try the HH or HHX Complex cymbals. You are comparing the K Zildjian with AAX and even HHX but X-plosion weights which are by no means representative of the Sabian line up. The AAX cymbals would be compared to the A Custom line from Z company. Although the Sabian cymbal choices are heavier they sound so much fuller, rounder and the crashes match as do the hats and the ride. You will never get the same subtleness of the K Ride with the AAX Stage ride. I have well over 100 Sabian cymbals today and have had more cymbals than I care to mention. My go to studio and recording set is HH regular hats or HHX groove hats with HH medium Thin and Thin weight crashed and HH Manhattan ride or HH Sound control ride. Please take no offense to this, but you need to know what you are comparing before you start and make statements that are not really fair to the manufacturers. Any way that is my 2 cents take it for what you will... Thanks!
K Customs vs HHX Evolutions K vs HHX/HH A Customs vs AAX !!!!!! Not AAX vs K Customs. Please redo this video with the correct comparisons. HHX Evolutions will win.
I hate pre-packaged sets, I prefer to individually buy my rides/crashes/hats. I have never been able to find a single cymbal line that has my favorite ride, hi-hats, and crashes. I feel like Sabian and Zildjian offer a ton of different cymbal lines so just comparing one set won’t give you the complete picture.
I actually like the Sabians better for the exact reasons you listed. I like my cymbals to cut through and not blend as much as Zildjians do. If you're going for the super nuanced "audiophile" stuff, yeah of course you'll like the Zildjians better, but I really like the modern, brighter, hi-fi sound.
Thanks bro! You just described these just how I needed them to be. I'm coming from Sabian Evolution 14 hats, 14 & 17HHX Xtreme crash, Aax 16 & 18 studio crash, 18 & 20 HHX ozone & HHX 21 groove ride. I'm looking for set already package like a Zildjian A (not custom... too bright)or K set... But I want it in a Sabian set. Can't choose between HHX complex or Legacy... Maybe Artisan? I'm playing mostly RnB 70s to now, Gospel, Neo-Soul and some Rap.
Don't think any Zildjians are finished by hand anymore. They appear to have a machine simulated hand hammering process now which is a bit anomalous to me. Cymbals are either hand hammered or they're not hand hammered. Having said this, I have had information suggesting that Ks were never hand hammered after around the early to mid 1980s. The original ones would have been and EAKs I think may have been. I have a load of mid to late 80s Ks and they sound totally different and much much better than anything Zildjian have made for the last 20 years. That's not nostalgia talking, I took mine into a local drum store and compared them, even the staff couldn't believe the difference and they all agreed my 80s ones were far better sounding than anything in their stock. I actually bought a current series K 17" Medium Thin and got rid of it within 2 months, it was terrible in comparison to my others.
What should be news to this guy is he has a channel called “learn audio engineering” and knowing about cymbals is a huge part of “audio engineering” and he knows nothing about it... you can get away with a 3 mic setup (and the mics he has are as adequate) But the preamps/board/interface sound like ass....
All the early K cymbals were made in the Canadian Zildjian factory that eventually became Sabian. I don’t think Amy hand hammering was ever done at Zildjian in the US. They might have made prototypes by hand but the hammer patterns were made by a neumatic hammer operated by a human. Somewhere in the mid 90’s Armand decided to go with the CNC auto hammers for the K and K Custom. That info comes straight from Paul Francis. At that point a human only needs to load the cymbals into the machine. I believe the higher end Constantinoples are still made on an auto hammer operated by a person where the hammer force and area of the hammer strike is controlled by a person. A and A Custom use a rotary hammer which is more like a pizza cutter to make the uniform or centric circle of dimple marks. Regular K and K Custom and any outliers from the Z family are hammered on a CNC auto hammer.
Dumb comparison lol You have brilliant darker hhx cymbals by Sabian, including a bright pair of aax hi hats. Up against natural lathed dark Zildjians lol... Not even remotely close to being a accurate recording comparison. One is essentially a rock/ volume set up and the other is “all around”.
Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion!
The cymbal sets you are comparing are meant for completely different purposes - the Sabians are supposed to be loud and penetrating, as they are often used for rock/metal (and the stage like you mentioned).
He hit the HHX crashes so softly. A good whack wudda been great
absolutely correct. Better would be comparing the AAX with the A Custom series and even that does not 100% fit. Better the AA vs A Custom.
Apples to hamburgers comparison. You're comparing Zildjian low volume jazz cymbals to Sabian loud ROCK cymbals.
I like the darker Zildjians. I'm a former mellophone player from a drum corps and we were taught to put our sound into the tuba's sound. The darker your sound the bigger you sound and the better you are able to fill the space.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience with this, Tony!
The ks to me sound better has a nice pitch and they aren’t piercing like the sabians
Definitely the K's!
They're so much fun to play!
IMO K customs and K Custom Hybrids are the perfect cymbals. I’ve had A’s and a few other types of brands but the hybrids were so good sounding. The hi hats, chinas and splashes were like having studio sound no matter where I was.
K vs hhx, not Aax
😀 yeahh.. he is stupid man
Hey Robert. Congrats on the subscribers!
Yeah, I do like my dark K hihats, but sometimes
they just sound too intense, too complex,
not washy enough. Any micing ideas?!
hmmmm, most of the time I won't use a HH mic because I just end up muting it cuz it's just too much.
I might increase the angle of the bottom cymbal to get more slosh/wash between the two. As for mics, Ive seen dynamics like SM7B or MD441 used on hats that are too crisp, or intense. might give them a softer, out of focus sound.
Thanks for the comment, Sean!!
yes yes yes, thanks. great tip.... @@LearnAudioEngineering
Hmmm, as far as i could hear, you need way more power on the z's to cut in the mix, no? They're pretty soft and mellow. The S's seem to be more present and cutting, which i would suggest, would be just a logical choice. Even for acoustic live jazz, just put a few sizzles in the ride, and it'll project enought, without diggin to much coal . . .
10 seconds in my money is on Zildjian K.
OKAY OKAY OKAY..... Most of the time pre packaged sets are usually a cash grab, so NEXT time you might wanna try some Sabian HHX thins, or even HH ones because these would be a better comparison, to the Zildjian's, especially because you just compared cymbals with a brilliant finish, versus cymbals that are simply lathed with small hammer marks. Congratulations on the subscribers and it all depends on what your recording!
Yea the cymbal models arent even close to being in the same categories or series lol. Pointless. You would have to compare HH to K’s. Because HHX use larger hammering hammers so the darker tones are trashier, where the HH are smaller hammering like that of the K’s...
Not a good video. Study cymbals first next time. This is like comparing apples to oranges.
What
Exactly !
I really appreciate your video, but I think these are not cymbals to be compared to start with. Maybe you coul have chosen more similar cymbals between both brands like, for example Ks against Legacy or Artisan..smth like that...
This is not an exact comparison. You are comparing an all-K setup with a mixed bag of Sabians. An all-HHX Sabian setup would be a better one. Obviously since both brands are used in all kinds of recordings, one is not "better" than another, just different. I'm a Sabian player because their sound is a little more focused than their Zildjian counterparts, but I have heard some great-sounding all-Zildjain setups over the years. I've never been a Paiste fan, even though they certainly have a LOT of fans out there. As long as it is a quality cymbal, use what sounds best to you.
You should invest in a metronome
LOL
😀 exactly !
Rude.
You are comparing apples and oranges, first of all there are no Zildjian cymbals that a truly hand hammered and finished with the same craftsmanship as a Sabian. If you want a true comparison, try the HH or HHX Complex cymbals. You are comparing the K Zildjian with AAX and even HHX but X-plosion weights which are by no means representative of the Sabian line up. The AAX cymbals would be compared to the A Custom line from Z company. Although the Sabian cymbal choices are heavier they sound so much fuller, rounder and the crashes match as do the hats and the ride. You will never get the same subtleness of the K Ride with the AAX Stage ride. I have well over 100 Sabian cymbals today and have had more cymbals than I care to mention. My go to studio and recording set is HH regular hats or HHX groove hats with HH medium Thin and Thin weight crashed and HH Manhattan ride or HH Sound control ride.
Please take no offense to this, but you need to know what you are comparing before you start and make statements that are not really fair to the manufacturers. Any way that is my 2 cents take it for what you will... Thanks!
Which of the two records better? Paiste.
Absolutely nonsensical comparison.
Stupid, really..if you know anything about what series of cymbals you’re actually comparing.
I play Zildjian but compare the A Customs to the Sabians and it would be more accurate.
The Ks are better in my ears. The Zs were too sharp and higher pitched and to me, unsuitable for recording.
thanks for the feedback, Bengt!
Maybe if you learnt how to hit a cymbal we could tell which one sounds better
any pointers Zac?
@@LearnAudioEngineering don't put shit like coffee grounds and vinegar on them, and use istanbuls
K Customs vs HHX Evolutions
K vs HHX/HH
A Customs vs AAX !!!!!! Not AAX vs K Customs.
Please redo this video with the correct comparisons. HHX Evolutions will win.
Sabian so far , Z sound to dry
Apples and oranges I like apples
I hate pre-packaged sets, I prefer to individually buy my rides/crashes/hats. I have never been able to find a single cymbal line that has my favorite ride, hi-hats, and crashes. I feel like Sabian and Zildjian offer a ton of different cymbal lines so just comparing one set won’t give you the complete picture.
HHX Complex!!
I actually like the Sabians better for the exact reasons you listed. I like my cymbals to cut through and not blend as much as Zildjians do. If you're going for the super nuanced "audiophile" stuff, yeah of course you'll like the Zildjians better, but I really like the modern, brighter, hi-fi sound.
Thanks bro! You just described these just how I needed them to be. I'm coming from Sabian Evolution 14 hats, 14 & 17HHX Xtreme crash, Aax 16 & 18 studio crash, 18 & 20 HHX ozone & HHX 21 groove ride. I'm looking for set already package like a Zildjian A (not custom... too bright)or K set... But I want it in a Sabian set. Can't choose between HHX complex or Legacy... Maybe Artisan? I'm playing mostly RnB 70s to now, Gospel, Neo-Soul and some Rap.
I like sabian
I guess I am a sabian kind of guy. Sounds punk / Japanese speed indie af.
I don't know anything about drums, nor have ever been near one. The way I see it, Sabian is better.
Nylon tips are a must for K's you don't want to actually hear the sticks hitting the cymbal you want to hear the cymbal
Sabian all day and night
Sabían
The ks
Sabian its better
Don't think any Zildjians are finished by hand anymore. They appear to have a machine simulated hand hammering process now which is a bit anomalous to me. Cymbals are either hand hammered or they're not hand hammered. Having said this, I have had information suggesting that Ks were never hand hammered after around the early to mid 1980s. The original ones would have been and EAKs I think may have been. I have a load of mid to late 80s Ks and they sound totally different and much much better than anything Zildjian have made for the last 20 years. That's not nostalgia talking, I took mine into a local drum store and compared them, even the staff couldn't believe the difference and they all agreed my 80s ones were far better sounding than anything in their stock. I actually bought a current series K 17" Medium Thin and got rid of it within 2 months, it was terrible in comparison to my others.
Wow, that's really interesting! I didn't know that, thanks for sharing!
@@LearnAudioEngineering Yeah it was actually news to me too, I thought they were hand hammered!
What should be news to this guy is he has a channel called “learn audio engineering” and knowing about cymbals is a huge part of “audio engineering” and he knows nothing about it... you can get away with a 3 mic setup (and the mics he has are as adequate) But the preamps/board/interface sound like ass....
All the early K cymbals were made in the Canadian Zildjian factory that eventually became Sabian. I don’t think Amy hand hammering was ever done at Zildjian in the US. They might have made prototypes by hand but the hammer patterns were made by a neumatic hammer operated by a human. Somewhere in the mid 90’s Armand decided to go with the CNC auto hammers for the K and K Custom. That info comes straight from Paul Francis. At that point a human only needs to load the cymbals into the machine. I believe the higher end Constantinoples are still made on an auto hammer operated by a person where the hammer force and area of the hammer strike is controlled by a person. A and A Custom use a rotary hammer which is more like a pizza cutter to make the uniform or centric circle of dimple marks. Regular K and K Custom and any outliers from the Z family are hammered on a CNC auto hammer.
Not even a fair comparison
The Sabians Are FAR Better
AAX RIDE LARGER best
Sabian is 2nd rate.
Zildjian A cymbals are better the the best Sabian … which are just a little better than camber brand 😂
Sabian is a knock off wanna be Zildjian ….
I think zildjian needs to re evaluate what they consider "dark". Those K customs are bright, tin sounding