this movie was so good that I didn't realize how long it was until I left the theatre... I still listen to it's music from time to time specially "Osage Oil Boom" and "They Don't Live Long"
My friend invited me to this DGA screening and I got to see this interview with Spielberg and Scorsese. One of the greatest moments of my movie loving life
It's Scorsese's best since Casino. I've been watching his films since the early 80s, the first one I saw in theater was After Hours in 1985. It's funny how huge a meme Taxi Driver was before internet, people would just act "Are you talking to me?"
I've never seen this, but it's interesting to see how split people are on it. Regardless it's pretty amazing that a director who's been doing it for 60 years can still cause that kind of strong reaction. Most old filmmakers lose that ability.
We live in a world where people dont know this movie was a masterpiece. Edit: the length was also perfect. I refuse to succumb to this gold fish attention span generation. If the story needs four hours then four hours it is.
I went to see this on a late night showing and was struggling to stay awake towards the end(I wasn’t aware it was over 3h long). Definitely need to see it again. And that shot of Osage dancing in the oil rain was up there with Scorsese’s best.
I think there are better movies from last year like Oppenheimer, Godzilla Minus One and The Boy and the Heron. They were more fascinating to me compared to this crime movie, which feels like a lot of crime movies I have seen.
@@SonGoku-tp8gb so nobody has any biases or preconceived notions against native american women that might vote on the oscars? who votes for oscars anyways? they mess up all the time. im saying this time was egregious but they get it wrong alot i could name 20x easy
@@mortystraphouse5077 You could argue the case if Gladstone was expected to win; However, Emma Stone was the strong favourite going in and swept most major awards. Sandra Huller and probably even Carey Mulligan had a better chance. It was her (Lily's) unexpected win in the Screen Actors guild awards that gave some momentum before the Oscars, but that went out the window when the BAFTAS didnt even nominate her.
Not really. She just sat there and looked ill/depressed for a lot of the film. Not really a phenomenal display of acting, Stone was a much more deserving winner.
Despite being a 3-hours-long movie, Killers of the Flower Moon is a masterpiece anyway, we are lucky to still have Scorsese in the film industry. In fact, I'm glad he's back to work with Leo DiCaprio and especially with Robert De Niro, who he's worked with the most nearly 50 years throughout his career as a filmmaker.
When I saw Killers of the Flower Moon, the 3 hours and 26 minutes went by so fast that I decided to see a "Monday Mystery Movie" after. It's A Wonderful Knife was the movie and it was bad. Basically a sold out crowd sitting in silence thru every joke. It made me mad that they weren't all in the auditorium for Killers. When the other movie started it had a company logo "Divide/Conquer" so I thought that was the title and even though the movie was bad, it had almost the same plot of trying to take over a town by killing residents only it was Justin Long doing it.
Man De Niro was so good in this one. Rarely I have seen such a despicable, cunning, full of hatred , racist evil antagonist that truly makes your blood boil.
I’ve been avoiding it because the plot suggests it falls into the same-old tropes in these movies that claim to be about a tribe--but are really about some white guy “growing” and “evolving” through contact with the tribe, and his personal journey, a la “Dances With Wolves” et al., with the Native American characters usually two or even one-dimensional, noble, and lifeless because instead of being drawn up as real people, they’re written as ciphers meant to convey Big Ideas instead of humans with emotions/dreams/needs. However, I might be willing to give this a chance because it’s Scorsese, and even though Spielberg’s been known to pile on effusive praise on other filmmakers that can feel a bit gratuitous, I don’t think he’d BS his longtime friend Scorsese to his face. (I’m still waiting for a film that’s about Native Americans that’s free of the “white savior” paradigm. The pre-Columbian “Apocalypto” might be the best Hollywood could muster.)
I found the movie incredibly uncomfortable - the cinematography, the musical score, the subject matter. An absolute masterpiece. I won't watch it again for a few years.
This was such an incredible movie, but it hurt to watch. Masterpiece indeed, but in the same way Schindler's List was. One should absolutely see both, at least once in their life, but I would not hold it against anyone if they came to the conclusion that once was enough.
I love this movie...but its not about the osage people. Its a gangster fable. We're given just enough Osage suffering and character to give the story weight, but I'm more inclined to say call this a great movie about greed and power than a sympathetic understanding of their suffering
That was a good movie. But it's politically problematic. The film acts as if the Federal government had no responsibility or share in the massacre of the Osage indians. And it makes the FBI, with Edgar Hoover at the helm, look like a savior. Scorsese looked for the blame in individual villains. But the evil was systematic.
@@sammyfabelman I dunno my brother that ending sort of makes it clear the problem is systemic I mean holy shit he implicates capitalists,movie studios and subsequently himself for being a white man telling this Osage story shows that white supremacy has won
@@mortystraphouse5077 I didn't see any bad CGI whatsoever. I was asking @just_delightful what their comment meant because they wrote, "Despite the really really really bad CGI in the first act". I didn't know what they meant as I didn't see any at all.
I haven't seen Flower Moon or Irish Man or Bridge of Spies, but as far as I'm concerned, Scorsese and even Spielberg haven't made something I needed so see in 20 years.
Tepid praise from Spielberg, complimenting the aspect that hurt the film the most! In forcing the focus from the FBI investigation to the Osage, the entire thrust of the book is lost and the mystery is gone. We are told within the first 20 minutes of the movie who the bad guys are, and so the film takes on a dirge-like feeling of torture/misery porn. Since we know who the bad guys are.thenentire time, the feelings of discovery and mounting dread one feels from the book is gone.
Hard disagree with him on this one. The shifting of the protagonist to DiCaprios character leaves the plot in complete shambles. I think its the bottom of Scorsese's barrel. Which is a fine barrel to be in but it didnt have to be this way. Film needed a new editor and another screenwriter. The novel deserved better.
100% with you. Lily's character fades into the background, and with it, the engine of the story. Leo and Deniro's characters have nothing redeemable by the end. Even Henry Hill had a moral compass of sorts in Goodfellas
The movie made more money than any other scorsese movie. Everyone went to see it. But the expense of the film meant that it was not going to make its money back on the box office alone. Thats fine because the film was meant for streaming and the Box office, and ten Oscar nominations, simply meant free press. The film was huge on streaming and Apple are more than happy with the windfall.
You have watched movies for years??? Is that somthing amazing that gives you an insight the rest of us don't have? Everyone has watched movies for years. Its like saying you have been breathing for years.
@@stewartkee6115 Or like saying you have been reading for years, as opposed to someone who hasn't? Watching and studying films through, documentaries, and filmmakers talking film, for decades gives you insight. Like, when you read a negative vibe merchant on youtube!
@@stewartkee6115 Sorry mate, but I got you, naff reply, with name calling, the act of a defeat manchild. Keep watching eastenders and Danny Dyer, you fan.
In ways, scorsese is awlays gonna make a good film from a filmmakers perspective...but Killers had virtually no plot, was way too long and missed the opportunity to create a film more closely aligned with the book where the full horror of what is going on is reveled through examining this world more through the story of the fbi rather than through ernest.
I wanted to love this film so much but i've never been so disappointed. An incredibly dramatic, lttle known true story, somehow turned into a 3.5 hour snoozefest. Overlong, totally predicable, boring. Somehow there was no actual drama or conflict. Just a horrible guy, grudgingly going along with doing something horrible. Paid lip service to the osage but it should gave been made from their perspective. Can't believe people raving about it, feels like emperor's new clothes.
It honestly was an overlong, miscast, underwritten mess that is held up by the reputation of its director. It had such thought provoking history to work with and he just ended up making another mob movie where the focus was on the two white actors who were way outside of their otherwise very wide ranges. He couldn’t pick a tone for Leo’s character and for some reason continued to try to make him somewhat sympathetic when he was clearly a villain. Deniros character had such little nuance and subtlety that it made the Osage look like naive fools the whole movie when this clearly evil character was taking advantage of them. And it was just. Too. Long. The plot was not intriguing enough to even begin to warrant the runtime. Which sucks because the investigation part was actually an interesting segment but you were so deep in the movie it was difficult to give it any sort of emotional investment.
Killers of the Flower Moon is underrated and Lily Gladstone got robbed of oscar as much as anybody ever has. actually racist for her to not win the award
@@Joshuanyc73 i agree with you on that. but race has played a factor before in awards you would agree; and i do think this is a unique contemporary example to consider; given shes native American. i think some of the voters chose a white actress over her because native american history and culture is so "fictional" to them. i feel like she was robbed. and it wasnt like with denzel for malcolm x when pacino won and it was "his turn"... emma stone already has an oscar and shes young. i just feel like Lily gave a timeless performance that will last forever and she deserved the award. and a native american has never won. why?
this movie was so good that I didn't realize how long it was until I left the theatre... I still listen to it's music from time to time specially "Osage Oil Boom" and "They Don't Live Long"
osage oil boom is such a banger RIP Robbie Robertson
Do you own a watch?
My friend invited me to this DGA screening and I got to see this interview with Spielberg and Scorsese. One of the greatest moments of my movie loving life
I'm jealous. It must have been surreal.
"you are a master of our medium and this is your masterpiece" - from one of the greatest directors of all time
The visuals match the words perfectly. Thanks for taking the time and effort to put it together
I was so grateful to see this, my first Scorsese movie that I saw in a theater
Great intro to his work.
I just want to say that the soundtrack to this movie was first rate. Robbie Robertson you will be missed!
We need a Spielberg/Scorsese podcast
Spielberg is way too busy
Felt like I saw the whole movie and wanted to go to bed before realizing I was only halfway through.
Spielberg does a great job of voicing many thoughts I had on this film. The Lenny reference was spot on.
Some moments in life only need some audio recording to be truly special. This is one of those moments.
Spielberg said similarly nice things about Transformers.
What a nice guy to compliment the movie in front of the director
Its scorsceses best work in almost a decade. Its better than silence and waaaay better than the irishman.
Wolf of Wall Street was my recent favorite from him.@@jop4833
Even if Spielberg genuinely means it, this is what Hollywood does - backslaps each other on a regular basis. Nothing new here.
They've been friends since the 70's.
Well they are close friends so there’s also that. Having said that it was a great film.
It's Scorsese's best since Casino. I've been watching his films since the early 80s, the first one I saw in theater was After Hours in 1985. It's funny how huge a meme Taxi Driver was before internet, people would just act "Are you talking to me?"
Casino was fantastic! Don't forget Taxi Driver.
Steven Spielberg on PAW Patrol The Movie?
yeah i loved this movie. its not for everyone but its length and quality was just amazing
I gotta rewatch it again
I absolutely loved this movie, I need it on blu ray/4K
I have an Italian edition 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray. If you have a player that does not have a region problem, it can be ordered from Amazon (Italy).
@@sammyfabelmangood to know!
And all 4K players are region free so I need to track this down.
I've never seen this, but it's interesting to see how split people are on it. Regardless it's pretty amazing that a director who's been doing it for 60 years can still cause that kind of strong reaction. Most old filmmakers lose that ability.
We live in a world where people dont know this movie was a masterpiece.
Edit: the length was also perfect. I refuse to succumb to this gold fish attention span generation. If the story needs four hours then four hours it is.
Normies don't know.
I know, right. People get hung up on the length of the movie but it was so good. I just watched it again and picked up more.
I think it is a great movie, but certainly masterpiece and did feel way too long and way too unpleasant.
They'll figure it out eventually
@@sij809 you’re just a pretentious asshole, bud.
I went to see this on a late night showing and was struggling to stay awake towards the end(I wasn’t aware it was over 3h long). Definitely need to see it again. And that shot of Osage dancing in the oil rain was up there with Scorsese’s best.
couldn’t agree more
one of the best films of this century
Excellent montage. In my mind, it was Spielberg sitting there, in a chair on a stage, with this playing on a giant screen just up and behind him.
AMAZING movie. Such an experince living for three hours and a half with this caracthers in this time. Unforgettable.
Brilliant book and film. Very important story.
My favourite film from last year.
I think there are better movies from last year like Oppenheimer, Godzilla Minus One and The Boy and the Heron. They were more fascinating to me compared to this crime movie, which feels like a lot of crime movies I have seen.
Bobby D. n’ Leo D. on point nicknames
They're both Italian American lol as is Scorsese
Love this channel so much
Lily Gladstone was ROBBED.
100%
Not really, competition was just really strong last year 🤷♂
@@SonGoku-tp8gb so nobody has any biases or preconceived notions against native american women that might vote on the oscars? who votes for oscars anyways? they mess up all the time. im saying this time was egregious but they get it wrong alot i could name 20x easy
@@mortystraphouse5077cry me a river.
@@mortystraphouse5077 You could argue the case if Gladstone was expected to win; However, Emma Stone was the strong favourite going in and swept most major awards. Sandra Huller and probably even Carey Mulligan had a better chance. It was her (Lily's) unexpected win in the Screen Actors guild awards that gave some momentum before the Oscars, but that went out the window when the BAFTAS didnt even nominate her.
Bobby D and Leo D hahahaha, great nicknames
Lily Gladstone should have won the Oscar.
Not really. She just sat there and looked ill/depressed for a lot of the film. Not really a phenomenal display of acting, Stone was a much more deserving winner.
@@galeocerdo42 that’s kind of an obtuse take on her performance, no offense.
No.
@@ClintBoostwood No what?
@@dam00k Nobody cares.
I felt the same way. Waiting for Ernest to do the right thing. Realize his moral duty.😮
Despite being a 3-hours-long movie, Killers of the Flower Moon is a masterpiece anyway, we are lucky to still have Scorsese in the film industry. In fact, I'm glad he's back to work with Leo DiCaprio and especially with Robert De Niro, who he's worked with the most nearly 50 years throughout his career as a filmmaker.
Amazing film
"Their deep faith in Wakanda..." huh??
I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that.
That's Wakonda, the Osage equivalent of God.
When I saw Killers of the Flower Moon, the 3 hours and 26 minutes went by so fast that I decided to see a "Monday Mystery Movie" after. It's A Wonderful Knife was the movie and it was bad. Basically a sold out crowd sitting in silence thru every joke. It made me mad that they weren't all in the auditorium for Killers. When the other movie started it had a company logo "Divide/Conquer" so I thought that was the title and even though the movie was bad, it had almost the same plot of trying to take over a town by killing residents only it was Justin Long doing it.
Great movie through the end
SS AND MS the beat two american directors alive
Two gods on Mount Olympus chilling.
Am I mishearing or did he actually ask Scorsese if he read the book?
Man De Niro was so good in this one. Rarely I have seen such a despicable, cunning, full of hatred , racist evil antagonist that truly makes your blood boil.
I did love the movie very much aswell.
I’ve been avoiding it because the plot suggests it falls into the same-old tropes in these movies that claim to be about a tribe--but are really about some white guy “growing” and “evolving” through contact with the tribe, and his personal journey, a la “Dances With Wolves” et al., with the Native American characters usually two or even one-dimensional, noble, and lifeless because instead of being drawn up as real people, they’re written as ciphers meant to convey Big Ideas instead of humans with emotions/dreams/needs. However, I might be willing to give this a chance because it’s Scorsese, and even though Spielberg’s been known to pile on effusive praise on other filmmakers that can feel a bit gratuitous, I don’t think he’d BS his longtime friend Scorsese to his face. (I’m still waiting for a film that’s about Native Americans that’s free of the “white savior” paradigm. The pre-Columbian “Apocalypto” might be the best Hollywood could muster.)
Speilberg talks to Scorsese the director rather than some journalists 😂
I found the movie incredibly uncomfortable - the cinematography, the musical score, the subject matter.
An absolute masterpiece.
I won't watch it again for a few years.
You're not going to get a better review than that!
Did he way "deep faith in Wakanda"???
Everyone has some native American DNA these days
This movie had me captivated the whole way through. I was very impressed. Might be Scorsese's best work.
This movie was muddled and aimless
Bait or mental retardation? Call it 🪙
My favorite movie of 2023
A really shit film. One of, if not the worst ever Scorsese film!
Haven't watched it yet. I'm waiting for a physical release.
Great movie, but it is certainly not the greatest of the year.
This was such an incredible movie, but it hurt to watch.
Masterpiece indeed, but in the same way Schindler's List was.
One should absolutely see both, at least once in their life, but I would not hold it against anyone if they came to the conclusion that once was enough.
a humanitarian epic...
👍👍👍
😍
The movie was boring and self indulgent.
It was funny watching the oscars because it was like watching the osage people lose everything twice.
Haven't watched. Is this some kind of American drama?
I love this movie...but its not about the osage people. Its a gangster fable. We're given just enough Osage suffering and character to give the story weight, but I'm more inclined to say call this a great movie about greed and power than a sympathetic understanding of their suffering
What about Kundun? Way superior.
That was a good movie. But it's politically problematic. The film acts as if the Federal government had no responsibility or share in the massacre of the Osage indians. And it makes the FBI, with Edgar Hoover at the helm, look like a savior. Scorsese looked for the blame in individual villains. But the evil was systematic.
@@sammyfabelman I dunno my brother that ending sort of makes it clear the problem is systemic I mean holy shit he implicates capitalists,movie studios and subsequently himself for being a white man telling this Osage story shows that white supremacy has won
Movie was boring lmao
Despite the really really bad CGI in the first act- the movie is going to hold up forever.
What bad CGI are you referring to? Genuinely curious?
@@matthewrocca4197 what bad cgi?
don’t remember seeing any bad CGI in the movie….
Are you sure you're not talking about The Irishman?
@@mortystraphouse5077 I didn't see any bad CGI whatsoever. I was asking @just_delightful what their comment meant because they wrote, "Despite the really really really bad CGI in the first act". I didn't know what they meant as I didn't see any at all.
This movie was absolutely awful
This movie is great.
not good, sorry
Scorsese being quiet that long is highly unusual. Even he realizes when he's in the presence of greatness.
I haven't seen Flower Moon or Irish Man or Bridge of Spies, but as far as I'm concerned, Scorsese and even Spielberg haven't made something I needed so see in 20 years.
@@RemiStardust "I haven't made an effort to see their movies. Therefore, they must not be for me." Dude what??
@@SonGoku-tp8gb Exactly, comments like this speak for themselves 🤣
Tepid praise from Spielberg, complimenting the aspect that hurt the film the most! In forcing the focus from the FBI investigation to the Osage, the entire thrust of the book is lost and the mystery is gone. We are told within the first 20 minutes of the movie who the bad guys are, and so the film takes on a dirge-like feeling of torture/misery porn. Since we know who the bad guys are.thenentire time, the feelings of discovery and mounting dread one feels from the book is gone.
Hard disagree with him on this one. The shifting of the protagonist to DiCaprios character leaves the plot in complete shambles. I think its the bottom of Scorsese's barrel. Which is a fine barrel to be in but it didnt have to be this way. Film needed a new editor and another screenwriter. The novel deserved better.
The book was only mediocre, had storytelling problems of its own.
The covering up of him being bad was sloppy as hell. It's way too heavy handed in the storytelling, like the cut on the top spinning in Inception.
100% with you. Lily's character fades into the background, and with it, the engine of the story. Leo and Deniro's characters have nothing redeemable by the end. Even Henry Hill had a moral compass of sorts in Goodfellas
This movie sucked.
I'm sure the book was way better
Read it and you will find that you are right.
@@chickenringNYC I've read it and he is wrong. The film is better.
Wrong
good performance, but forgettable film imo,nothing to rewatch
It's so good no one went to see it and thouse that did fell asleep.
The movie made more money than any other scorsese movie. Everyone went to see it. But the expense of the film meant that it was not going to make its money back on the box office alone. Thats fine because the film was meant for streaming and the Box office, and ten Oscar nominations, simply meant free press. The film was huge on streaming and Apple are more than happy with the windfall.
I have watched films for years, this was alright.
You have watched movies for years??? Is that somthing amazing that gives you an insight the rest of us don't have? Everyone has watched movies for years. Its like saying you have been breathing for years.
@@stewartkee6115 Or like saying you have been reading for years, as opposed to someone who hasn't? Watching and studying films through, documentaries, and filmmakers talking film, for decades gives you insight. Like, when you read a negative vibe merchant on youtube!
@@TheHandsomeman Thats the best you can come up with? Go back to sleep.
@@stewartkee6115 Sorry mate, but I got you, naff reply, with name calling, the act of a defeat manchild. Keep watching eastenders and Danny Dyer, you fan.
@@TheHandsomeman I take it back. Clearly you were not breathing at birth. You can tell its caused problems.
Martin Scorsese attempts to speak for 4 minutes*
the most interesting part was showing how freemasonry was behind it.
Ehhhh... Billy Madison was better.
The money pit was also a better film.
If you didn’t like this movie, just listen to barstool podcasts for the rest of your life 👍🏻
Stupid ending also
In ways, scorsese is awlays gonna make a good film from a filmmakers perspective...but Killers had virtually no plot, was way too long and missed the opportunity to create a film more closely aligned with the book where the full horror of what is going on is reveled through examining this world more through the story of the fbi rather than through ernest.
I wanted to love this film so much but i've never been so disappointed. An incredibly dramatic, lttle known true story, somehow turned into a 3.5 hour snoozefest.
Overlong, totally predicable, boring. Somehow there was no actual drama or conflict. Just a horrible guy, grudgingly going along with doing something horrible. Paid lip service to the osage but it should gave been made from their perspective.
Can't believe people raving about it, feels like emperor's new clothes.
Time will tell that this movie is far from a masterpiece
I loved the movie personally
To each their own, but I thought this movie was exceptional. I was engaged every minute of it, which can be hard with a movie of this running time.
It really will. Its incredibly flawed across several metrics including the acting.
It's like watching paint dry. Couldn’t believe I was watching Scorsese.
It honestly was an overlong, miscast, underwritten mess that is held up by the reputation of its director.
It had such thought provoking history to work with and he just ended up making another mob movie where the focus was on the two white actors who were way outside of their otherwise very wide ranges.
He couldn’t pick a tone for Leo’s character and for some reason continued to try to make him somewhat sympathetic when he was clearly a villain.
Deniros character had such little nuance and subtlety that it made the Osage look like naive fools the whole movie when this clearly evil character was taking advantage of them.
And it was just. Too. Long. The plot was not intriguing enough to even begin to warrant the runtime. Which sucks because the investigation part was actually an interesting segment but you were so deep in the movie it was difficult to give it any sort of emotional investment.
Why does it always sound like Steven has a bunch of Jolly Ranchers in his mouth?
Killers of the Flower Moon is underrated and Lily Gladstone got robbed of oscar as much as anybody ever has. actually racist for her to not win the award
No. Just because your preferred actor didn't win a trophy doesn't mean it was racist.
She was great but Sandra should’ve won for Anatomy of a Fall
That is a racist comment by saying that
@@Joshuanyc73 i agree with you on that. but race has played a factor before in awards you would agree; and i do think this is a unique contemporary example to consider; given shes native American. i think some of the voters chose a white actress over her because native american history and culture is so "fictional" to them. i feel like she was robbed. and it wasnt like with denzel for malcolm x when pacino won and it was "his turn"... emma stone already has an oscar and shes young. i just feel like Lily gave a timeless performance that will last forever and she deserved the award. and a native american has never won. why?
@@mikevilla8230 somehow i have not seen anatomy of a fall. ty for reminding me
Such a mid movie haha
What weirdos!
I'm sorry but we all thought that it was a little big boring...
one hollywood self-absorbed narcissist kissing the butt of another hollywood narcissist..... just another day in hollywood
2 of the best directors ever? in human history? ok
@@mortystraphouse5077 thanks for the emphasis on 'HUMAN' history because I forgot about all the aliens and farm animals that also make movies.....
@@abcd-xr1fhboth Hollywood legend