Did You Know This About The Time Turners In HARRY POTTER…
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- Hermione had the only time turner at Hogwarts! Unfortunately for JK Rowling, it opened up a can of worms for her, as it would be difficult to write future plots if wizards could just travel back in time and undo their mistakes. In fact, she admitted going far too light-heartedly into the subject of time travel in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. That’s why she had all remaining Time-Turners smashed during the battle in the Department of Mysteries, removing the possibility of reliving even short periods in the future. If this hadn't been the case, we would have had a very different story!
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HP Cannon : There are no more time turners
Cursed child: haha guys get a load of HP cannon
@@ALLL_RICCC funny joke
@@ALLL_RICCC the cursed child is so bad
@@ALLL_RICCC I did read the book of the cursed child but I'm not sure what do you mean by "books" if you mean the other Harry potter books then yeah I love them too
True true
The cursed child?
Hermione(HBP),"We broke all the timeturners when we were there in the Ministry
Cursed Child: Get a load of that nonsense
This is also a reason why I think CC should not be canon and also why it doesn't make sense in any way whatsoever.
Where can you see Cursed Child? Or stream- or whatever-
@@LexxtheKing the cursed child isn’t a movie and only a (theatre) play and book I’m pretty sure
Well a movie is comming
THAT'S what makes no sense? if time turners could be lent out to school students then I'm pretty sure that the likelihood of 100% of time turners IN THE WORLD being in the same place when they got destroyed is incredibly low
I could never see the cursed child as cannon as hard as I try. It jut doesn't FEEL like potter.
She literally could've just said 'oh they only let you go back 1 day' or something like that
And that continued use would drain your remaining years of life so even going back 1 day could be a huge risk and potentially take away 10 years of life you had
She isn't that good of author
Honestly the fact that she only destroyed them after Voldemort is back for a full year only shows she doesn't think of the implications.
The Deatheaters were already able to get into the Department, they just couldn't move the Prophecy. And they were in hiding, meaning that if they would have something that would let them appear somewhere else at the same time to prove your innocence would be really useful... So why didn't they take some?
How is it that a few school children could have just walked in there and take a few themself?
Even going back to 1day could change a lot of things
@@mobmorgan if it would be that much of a risk why would they give a student (Hermione) that
In Harry Potter though how time travel works means that you can’t go back and change things because they already happened
You can be a duplicate of yourself and help from a corner I guess, that’s the most you can do
It's a paradoxical event, like what they did in the movie, it's impossible for them to meet since it'll create a paradox and would wipe out both existence creating a loop that does this until one would realize what they've been doing and or the turner breaks.
I also think there's an explanation as to why Time travel isn't heavily used since this could have had major changes to the story seeing as it could have had Harry (present) be the reason why Voldemort missed or he could have killed Voldemort while he the mad man was confronting Lily.
Still, I don't think the possible reason why is because no one can go farther than an hour or two back, the reason why Harry and Hermione we're able to could be drawn to Harry being more sensitive to Magical energy allowing his presence to be a fueling force for the turner and moving them back further which would have killed a normal wizard or so I think.
Unfortunately, all these are my opinion, except the first part since it delves into the understanding of how plausible Time travel works and how it differs from Timeline jumping.
You can change things, but they will happen at the first time already
I heard a theory once of someone that said that time turners worked as a self contained paradox where you can only go back in time if you noticed the changes that your future self would make to the timeline, like hermione throwing the rock at Harry and taking Buckbeak (Remember that the angle used in the movie didn´t show buckbeak being kill and in the time travel part you see that the cutted thing was a pumpking), the howling and the patronus, so under this logic you couldn´t use it for everything, of course, Cursed Child came to ruin that very good theory.
*inhale* There are cases in the lore (before cursed child too, which nobody counts) of wizards who accidentally erased themselves or events from history by messing with time. It's why wizards who aren't licensed by the ministry are forbidden to use time turners, the consequences of altering events are unpredictable. The exception seems to be when you already know the outcome, as Dumbledore did when he told Hermione and Harry what to do as he had already witnessed Buckbeak being freed. *exhale*
what do you mean "undo their mistakes?" The whole point of the ending of the third book is that you couldnt actually change anything.
Well the zhing is that time loops so technicly Serious and Buckbeak were already safe, they just had to go and complete the cicle so they did change things but they also didn't.
They changed things, but they were “destined” to change things and create a loop. Which begs the question: if everything is predetermined then why should we care about the characters or the story?
@@Carl_with_a_k_ Just because something is predetermined doesn't mean it losses its impact.
@@kanduyog1182 It kinda does though. Where is the excitement if you know how everything will play out. Why be scared of Voldemort when you know he ain't killing a main character. Lessens the stakes significantly unless you're a great writing who can build tension with no stakes with JK is not.
@@ThyBigCheddar Just because it's predetermined doesn't mean that the audience knows it's predetermined.
Did you know that it was Harry himself who cast the patronus during the 3rd book? It's predetermined but it was still a surprise because the audience didn't know it.
Ofc everyone knows that the MC will survive but that doesn't stop anyone from reading books where every MC survives. You're just bandwagoning against JK Rowling like an idiot. Maybe go read a couple books before you speak about suspence
Dumbledore clearly states they must not encounter their past selves showing a wizard couldn't fix their mistakes. Second off, Time Turners create a causality loop as shown by Harry and Hermione throwing the snail shells at themselves, Hermione howling to lure Lupin away, and Harry conjuring his Patronus. Harry literally states when he conjured his fully realized Patronus, he knew he could do it because he had already done it and realized nobody else was at the location when the Patronus appeared. They become the explanation for events they had already experienced. The timeline remains intact via the Novikov self-consistency principle in handling paradoxes regarding time travel. Buckbeak was never killed; they assumed he was given the circumstances but did not personally view it. Lupin's distraction was assumed to be caused by an unseen wolf. The snails hitting them came from behind cover and they didn't move to investigate. Sirius needed to be saved because he had already been saved by that point.
cursed child be like: not only am i going to bring back time turners from the dead, im going to change the rules! great idea!
Cursed Child: Imma 'bout to ruin this man's whole career
Time travel is always complicated to use in stories. That's a good way to create plot holes that will only give you a headache
I just find it ridiculous that every single time turner was just sitting on a shelf. Not a single one anywhere else in the world. Until the godawful cursed child but we don't talk about that one
Also that something as valuable as a time turner not being in something like an armored trunk, seriously the books in the restricted section at Hogwarts had better defenses.
Also, the Time Turner's Stress wrecks havoc on the user's mind making extremely hard to use.
It also could've been easily explained had they said something about the three hour jump in the climax being extremely risky or something. Up until then, Hermione had only been jumping by an hour at a time to get to every class. But she and Harry needed to go back three hours at once to save Sirius. Rowling could've had Hermione mention how dangerous it is to go back further than an hour at a time in order to explain why using the time turner wouldn't be a very good 'fix-it' method for important events.
They also could've said that time turners are heavily regulated, like how underage wizards have a trace. Hermione got special permission to use one for her classes because McGonanagall set it up for her. There could have been some regulation from the Ministry that lets them track or even control when and where they're being used. Perhaps Dumbledore could have done some trickery to allow Hermione and Harry to take one untracked trip.
Hell, even just saying they're incredibly rare and tricky would have sufficed, seeing how they get away with not just having everyone brew Felix Felicis due to how difficult it is to make and disastrous to get wrong.
It's sad that she didn't realize that they didn't actually break anything, because they didn't actually allow you to change anything. They were just twice at the same time in different places with hindsight. But there wasn't some first time where Harry and Sirius dies at the lake, it's both happening at once. So if you tried to use a time turner to fix prevent something from happening, you would obviously fail, because it already happened.
My sister has a Time Turner necklace and I call it the Chronosphere to annoy her lmao
Aw that's cute and a much better name, I'm going to use that lol
Alice through the
People don’t seem to get that timeturners can’t actually change events in time but only create closed loops in time instead. I get that their existence raises the question why there aren’t more loops like this present in the series but I think Rowling was smart by letting the timeturners be rare and heavily regulated by the ministry.
tbh it felt cheap. it felt like she didnt plan it out and as soon as a huge plot hole came up she decided to take the easy way out by having them all conveniently destroyed so only the good guys could use it. if she just didnt put them in the books in the first place it would have been better than trying to fill all her plot holes
@@namixless9732 where do you see a plothole? As I wrote Timeturners can’t actually change the past, only create a closed loop that allows a person to be in more than one place at the time. Rowling could simply have decided to never mention them again in the series and it would have been fine because their limitations and rarity were already well established in Prisoner of Azkaban and it wouldn’t have been if they were never used again since there really wasn’t any other events in the books where a timeturner could have been used to save the day - aside from maybe someone going back in time to secretly observe the person who put Harry’s name in the goblet of Fire.
So I think it was a good touch of Rowling to actually find a logical way to remove them from the series.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 the loops itself change stuff tho.
For example in the 3 book if they did not go back in time, amongs other things Harry would be soulsucked by the dementors, but him going back there allowed him to save himself, therefor changing events that would otherwise happen.
You are kinda right that the timeturner cannot change what did actualy happen, but it has the power to let this thing not happen in the first place.
For example if i ride my bike and drive into a tree the time turner cannot change this, but if i ride my bike and get stopped by someone therfore im not driving into the tree just to then travel back in time to stopp myself, that would be possible.
By the way this closed loop ides is problematic in the sense that you can create stuff and abilitys inside this loop without restrictions (essentialy) and keep them ones you get out of the loop, proven by Harry´s increased abilitie to controll the patronus.
Lastly based on what is shown in the books the timeturners are basicly not restricted atall and not monitored whatsoever either.
the monitoring part is proven since H&H comite high crimes using this device but not get punished whatsoever, and the first thing is more or less implied since they give this most powerfull of all the magical items to a 13-Year old Child. Sure this child might(or might not ) be a prodigy but let me remind you that they didn´t even had a final test the year befor her getting this and she isn´t even that good in all her subjekts. And even if, you or better said the ministery of evry nation would never give a 13 year old the equivalent of a nuke just because she is good in school.
@@1stmorgoth289 the loops are fixed in time. If the loop has already happened natural events will always lead to the people creating it going back in time. Harry and Hermione wasn’t aware they had already gone back in time when they were in the hospital wing and so they did it without any precautions about the matter.
It’s just an eternal loop in time that will keep reinforcing itself because there is no factor that can potentially interfere with the moment.
I don’t see the problem with that because it allows no opportunity for people to actually change stuff. Really, you shouldn’t really think about timeturners as a time machine but more like a tool that can create a clone of yourself with foresight over the events that will happen in the next couple of hours.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 ONe example that is absolutly possible to achieve with the use of a time turner:
I´m going down the road, suddenly a man with a mask walks next to me and gives me a bag and then dissapears. I therefor look in the bag and in it is a note + a timeturner. The note says:This is the password for xxx it is yyyy. use the timeturner in 1 hour and give yourself this bag.
I therefore do so, meaning i use the turner to give me the bag and then go on using the passwort i just recieved.
In Harry´s case it could also be:
Here is the sword of Gryfendor use it to destroy this neglace and then travel back in time to give it to yourself, for destroying the neglace.
Sure the Physical thing you send back in time stays in the Loop, but while in this Loop you can do stuff with it and nonphysical things such as information, can even leave this Loop.
*"with foresight over the events that will happen in the next couple of hours."*
Yes with foresight over the things that will happen, but this things might have alreadyy been altered by you traveling back in time.
Case in Point Harry saving himself, this is an event that could only happen because of the timeturner, it did not happen regardless.
from what I understood the time turners only changed our perspective on what happened. Buckbeek wasn't killed he got away and the executioner killed a pumpkin instead xD harry thought he saw someone who looked like his dad only to figure out it was his time double. changing time drastically different may not have been possible. its a closed loop it was always going to happen as it did. so nothing actually changes.
If you write a story, never use time manipulation, it becomes impossible to resolve
It is deeply funny to me that it's very clear JK got super annoyed at people asking why they didn't just use a time turner to save Sederik so in the next book she had Nevel litterally knock over time travel.
all time travel apparently gone because Nevel knocked over a shelf.
*Neville
Cedrik, Neville
Please tell me the spelling of those names is joke. 😂
@@fainted8230 You're so triggered by gay people you committed your whole name to it 😂 that's pathetic af
@misterblue3514 They are not I have no respect for these books
I would also like to think it is down to how time travel is written in Harry Potter (my personal favourite form of it)
You don't create a new timeline, when you travel back, you had always traveled back and you were always going to do what happened.
Edit: for clarification, this would mean that events can't be changed by going back in time, by going back you can only cause the events to happen as they always would have.
Exactly, it’s simultaneously the most satisfying form of time travel and also the one most safe from creating plot holes.
Right oh god this comment made me thin for a bit but yeah it's true
Then Cursed Child is like “Yes you can completely screw up the timeline! Hahaha what fun” like seriously? JK just through consistency out the window and blew it to smithereens with a hand grenade
Also fun fact: she got a lot (if not all) of her dates wrong in the book like she’d give a date, say it happened on a Friday when it was actually on a Monday. 1 example of this is Valentine’s Day in Chamber of Secrets. They had classes that the dwarves giving out the valentines were interrupting. The problem with this? February 14, 1993 was on a Sunday. There should have been no classes to interrupt. Also in the 1st book the beginning of the story takes place on a "dull, grey Tuesday." But in 1981, 1 November was on a Sunday.
I think it's called the Bootstrap Paradox? When events in time travel are more or less looped rather than being changed or influenced in another direction.
What happens if I go back in time and unalive my toddler self?
And then Delphi comes in like: ha you thought!
I thought you were going to point out that someone was being mummified in the hospital wing while they were turning back time
I mean, fair props to Rowling... in the context of this singular story, she did an uncommonly good job of using time travel in a way that didn't create immediate paradoxes.
I viewed it as a paradox thing. Like everything that happens is even with the existence of time turner's so anyone who did use them was unable to change things.
Like in POA the past doesn't get changed, we see the effects of the time travel before the time travel is revealed.
So in GOF there probabaly were people with time turner's but what we see is what happens even with people going back in time
To be honest, she managed to wrote one of my favourite depictiond of time travel. (Ironically cursed child is one of my most hated as it ignores all the previously established rules)
Agreed, one main reason she backtracked is because many adolescent or even adult readers didn't understand the how balance the Time Turners were.
Honestly, Time turners weren't a catch all solution. The past you went back to is always consistent with itself. If it didn't work out for you the first time, it was never going to. Although it does cause some weird paradoxes where you HAVE to use the time turner or the present will change because future you wasn't in the past to make things work out exactly how they did.
ex: If Harry and Hermione don't decide to use the time tuner in PoA, no one is there to throw the rock at Hagrid's hut, Buckbeak isn't saved, and Harry isnt there to conjure a Patronus.
The result of the cursed child explains why destroying those time turner's was a wise decision
She made it quite clear in the books that time turners were hard to get hold of
Yet they give one to a schoolgirl so that she doesn't miss her classes???
@@_blank-_ And Percy
Technicaly (if you ignore cursed child) this Was never an issue because timelines in HP are fixed. If u go back in time you cant change anything because everything allready happend the first time.
I personally think that Time travel in this movie is the best way to use it. You can't change the past, you can only confirm the future.
I think any other form of time travel aside for Endgame brings in too many questions. Like if I were to change the past and ensure that I never did something stupid and broke my leg. I go back, do a thing, change the past, now I've never broken my leg. But now I've also never had the desire to go back and stop myself from breaking my leg. I'd never stop myself, hense breaking my leg all over again. Now I want to stop myself from breaking my leg. Do you see where I'm going with this?
My point is that time travel is way too easy to break unless there are rules
You can't undo mistakes with the time turner though. They've already happened. That's probably why they're not used that Often. And Hermione even gets one to Mess around with. All it does is let you be in 2 places at once, you don't really get to Mess around with the timeline.
That's how I saw it.
Dumbledore: uses time turner to save a hippogriff
Also Dumbledore: doesnt use a time turner with Harry's parents
Time turners don't change anything
They can
He doesn't have a time turner with him. And it's use are regulated by the ministry of magic.
@@Jan_Koopman oh you ain't seen nothing yet!
@@liamdalemon1525, Cursed Child is not canon, for that exact reason
Question is what is the orginal time line what actually happens to Harry if Harry isn’t there to save himself
It was actually only three time turners and all of existence it said so in the books.
Also the Time turners had a very big limitation as it couldn't go further back than 24 hours.
So let's say a villain who failed at a task decided that they wanted to go back and fix it Not only would they have to figure out a way to break into the ministry to steal one they would have to do it before they made their mistakes so it would have to be a safeguard Not a fix because there's no way they're going to be able to break into the ministry and steal the time turner within 24 hours of a previously made mistake
Let's just assume that they do get a hold of the time Turner before whatever task they're trying to complete to ensure that it goes perfectly. The disarming spell expelliarmus disarms anything that a person can be holding so by the time the other person is able to pull out the time turner in the middle of a fight to reset time another wizard there could already be ready to disarm.
Not to mention if the person becomes captured or killed the time turner will be confiscated anyways so it's not the end-all be-all fixed to everything
Now if there was an actual spell that someone could use to go back in time, then we might have a problem because even if you confiscate their wand they can always get another wand but if you're able to keep them separated from the time turner for 24 hours then time is set and there's nothing else they can do
they also had the side effect of aging you as you came forward in time. so travel back 1 year then back to the original time you would age 1 year for the return trip. meaning if cursed child had even the slightest bit of consistency with the main books harry would be over 100 years old and albus potter would be in his 80's
Honestly though it makes sense why wizards can't go back in time to change the past bc it already has happened in the present before they go back in time
I feel like instead of destroying all timeturners it would make sense if a character tried to change events from the past that we know didn't happen but they are stopped by an unseeable force or something like that like in Alice through the looking glass movie where she can't change the past because anything she does in the past just triggers the same events
You cannot undo mistakes in harry potter. Everything Harry and Hermione do when traveling back in time has already happened. You will not change the outcome. That's a pretty clean way to write time travel as it doesn't create alternate timelines
Outcome remains the same, what prompted their going in the past in the first place then? It's clean, because it has no effect and doesn't make sense. 😅
My problem with this is that they weren't even operating one the specific rules of time travel that would allow for that... the rules they used basically said that anything that happened had to have already happened. If the traveler takes any action, then that action will be perceived as if it had always happened. You can't change the past using the time turner, you can only take part in it.
The literally only thing I remember from the cursed child is that they used time turners there
There's anothwr good reason why you also don't want to go back too much in time, even if you could. Interacting with yourself is bad. Changing things is bad. And the person going back in time would only be able to return to their timeline by actually living the timeline. And even then, it wouldn't be the same life they return to.
She didn’t actually have to do this. The way it’s presented in PoA, everything that you do after going back in time has already happened. Harry and Hermione were already in the past on the first go through that timeline, so they didn’t actually change anything. Buckbeak had been saved already, even though the past trio wasn’t there to witness it, and future Harry had already saved himself and Sirius with the patronus, though past Harry thought it was his dad
I heard a theory once of someone that said that time turners worked as a self contained paradox where you can only go back in time if you noticed the changes that your future self would make to the timeline, like hermione throwing the rock at Harry and taking Buckbeak (Remember that the angle used in the movie didn´t show buckbeak being kill and in the time travel part you see that the cutted thing was a pumpking), the howling and the patronus, so under this logic you couldn´t use it for everything, of course, Cursed Child came to ruin that very good theory.
I feel like having all the Turners destroyed created a bigger plothole because unless they were all recalled before that point then anyone who has a time Turner gets to keep it and just claims it was destroyed
No, all those who got >10 owls had them to because when hermione had 12 subjects she used time turners, when she gave up divination she still had a time turner but when she gave up muggle studies she was able to pursue a normal timetable, bill and percy and barty crouch jr all three got 12 owls so there is a 100% chance they also used them
I think the same applies to the luck potion
So the British ministry was the only ministry in the world in possession of time turners?
Destroying them in the ministry still doesn't fix any plotholes.
A: It is to be assumed that some timeturners were still out there in use in other parts of the world or even some in England that had been given out before the battle.
B: Wizardkind seem to document everything, even having detailed instructions on how to create the darkest of dark arts like horcruxes. There not being any documentation on how to make time turners seems highly unlikely.
That's why in my graphic novel series I refuse to touch ANYTHING dealing with time manipulation. Way too many plot holes can form.
The TT Hermione has is actually McGonagall's TT.
I don't think McGonagall would let ANYBODY smash her TT, so that's at least 1 safely kept for CC...
ANYONE TALKING ABOUT PERCYS ONE HE HAD 12 O.W.S
I think she overcompensated, personally.
In POA, the Time Turners work in a closed loop, there is no fixing your mistakes, they were always fixed.
They effectively act as temporary clones that you control in retrospect. Dumbledore knew future Harry and Hermione were using the Time Turner long before he ever suggested it, and it's that prior knowledge that makes using them even possible. Go back to try to undo things and you're just not going to succeed, because you already failed. Hermione always makes it to class because while sitting one, she knows she'll eventually use the Time Turner to sit another. My biggest gripe with them is Hermiones complete lack of due care when moving between states.
There is no timelines where Buckbeak dies. The inciting incident is his disappearance, which was always caused by events in the future. When you understand that, you realise liquid luck has roughly the same outcome, and is in fact probably a bit more effective cause it requires less planning.
Professor McGonagall gave a time turner to Hermione. This made it possible for her to attend all the classes being taught in hogwarts for example, numerology and professor trelony classes were on the same time. And Hermione attended both classes by time travel
And Percy had one cause he had all 12 O.W.Ls
Time travel is powerful, but it's not so bad. They can't change what's already happened, as you can see in prizoner of azkaban. If they make a mistake or someone dies, it's permanent. Really what the time turner allows for, is for the characters to be in multiple places at once. How you can utilize that to great effect is a lot more difficult than simply changing the course of history which they can't.
based on how the time turner work in this univers "destroying" them is not possible.
Since its absolutly possible that your future self goes back in time and gives you 5 timeturners so that you can go back in time to give them to yourself and suddenly there are timeturners again in this world.
Its cool if she knows it now but the pure existens of the timeturners destroys basicly evry tension this story could have.
Since you can safe yourself with this devices evryone that dies, did infact only die because they did not bother to save themself. So noone dies witth regret in this world, wich is kind of nice.
The simple answer to explain this is. Each time turner can only be magically bound to a particular person and that they have to do a long lengthy process to bind to it. And it may not always work
Or they could just use the Dr Who explanation of "it’s hard and there’s fixed point in time" that cannot be changed. Additionally she could’ve made a side book about a secret branch of the ministry of magic about time incursions.
She could've just written in Nexus points in the story honestly. Like there are some moments in time that will remain the same. Buckbeak will not be executed. Black will escape again. Someone will save Harry from the Death Eaters. And Harry's parents will stay dead. What is set to happen will happen and the time turners may only act as vessels for these set events to transpire.
Time Turners, and Prophecies, are two great examples of how Harry Potter is in a fixed-fate timeline. Any attempts to change or alter the past, or the future, are already factored into the timeline, and all actions are preordained.
At least until the Cursed Child ruins that cohesion pretty handily.
Also that doesn't stop the fact Dumbledore could have saved the potter's by going back and redoing the whole day and sense he never was there in the first place he wouldn't need to worry about running into his old self.
Or any number of things could have changed.
Theres a much easier fix, limit time turners to only work to 48 hours in the past with a recharge of 96 hours, its able to be used for lessons as all hermionies time skewed ones are set for times she can use it.
Still leaves room to mess with time but adds hard limits to say stop snape going back to save lily.
It's never really explained how the time travel works anyway.
In the prisoner of azkaban we see them going back to make it so what happened in the past actually happen. Which makes sense, that's the most realistic way that time travel would work yet most time travel movies don't do it because it's boring and doesn't involve stakes around movies that revolve entirely around the premise.
They get it pretty spot on in the movie and I absolutely love the scene.
However, in the cursed child we see a plot revolve around being able to change the past. Which they can then just return to somehow when they mess up a timeline which is the stupidest bullshit ever when you think about it for too long.
If only JK rowling was left to write a proper sequel to Harry Potter and not be used for more money 😪😪😪 cursed child (if even called that!) Would have been 1000x better
I'm gonna be honest, most of her other books aren't great, she peaked at Harry potter and dropped from there on
@@lav3nderbees well, the cursed child is a part of harry potter. She had the brains to add on to Harry Potter like she has years after the series ended.
@@slayin9331 sorry I'm a bit confused, are you saying you like or dislike the cursed child?
@@lav3nderbees uh in my original comment, dislike.
Or pick anyone in her vast army of fanfic writers do the job instead 😂
I appreciate Prisoner of Azkaban more and more for being the only time travel story that obeys the rules of and causality and logic. (Outside TeneT more recently)
But the way Time Turners work is that your future self was already with you in the present even before you went back in time in the first place, meaning if you go back in time and kill a person, you were always the reason for their death. Therefore you can’t change the past as it already happened.
Did I just see Severus Snape helping Poppy in Hospital Wing in Harry's third year? I saw him at the end of this clip 😯
I didn't know about Rowling thoughts about it.
Destroying them doesn't really solve the issue. Establishing that magical time travel is possible, someone, somewhere, sometime will find a way to make new ones or create a new spell for it.
The world is a big place. I find it hard to believe that the department of mysteries at the ministry of magic in London had a monopoly on Time Magic in a world where magic is so prevalent.
But there are also spells to turn back time. You can see this in the last movie, when Lupin and Dora are fighting against the deatheaters in Hogwarts
She could have easily written herself out of it with that it was an item she enchanted for Hermione and it was only suppose to go back in time like an hour and then you would merge back into your time.
And when they used it to free Sirius, they overcharged it and after them returning, it broke due to the overusage. Done.
Honestly she took the easy way out. Could have made the rules of time travel a lot more concrete as to how big a change they could make how far a time turner could take you the ramifications on the body of traveling to far or to often.
You can't change the past with those Time-Turners.
Harrypotter: Endgame
It worked in the Azkaban book itself, but after that, the worms just… wormed
My ignorance may be speaking loudly here but
It doesn't explain why Voldemort didn't use a time turner the first chance had (assuming he got one, he had plenty of death eaters in the ministry) and stop himself from trying to kill Harry
Forget going the sorceror's stone. Voldy should've gone for the time turner stash
The fact they time travel just means they end up instrumental in whatever originally happened, They never change anything at all.
Easy fix: everytime turner can only be used once and auto districts immediately after use
There are rules to time turner's tho, you can't actually change anything bc it has already happened (as shown in the story) and you can't go more than a certain amount of time.
Also they were all broken in deathly hallows, I don't care what cursed child says. It should not be cannon
You can’t go back in time to change anything, anytime you go back you were already there the first time
So you cannot change stuff that did happen but you can stop it from happening in the first place.
Hence Harry could save himself from getting his soulsucked.
Luckily there isn’t a book that completely ignores this and has a plot about time turners
I remember once hearing that the reason why Hermione is wanting to use the time turner in the first place is to get an academic award for getting good grades in every single class. An award that only a few people have ever accomplished but is also something that is almost impossible to accomplish if you do not have a time turner
Percy also had one, He had all 12 O.W.Ls
Just put in a line that said the timer turner can only rewind about 6, maybe 10 hours.
And the liquid luck thing just sitting in the corner, crying.
And yet Cursed Child still managed to use them to ruin the story
Imagine if one time turner was still available at the battle of Hogwarts, once the battle was over just go back in time and try and save everyone without them seeing. Like push Fred away from the falling wall, protect Lupin and Tonks from Dolohov and Belatrix.
You can’t change things with time turners. If you use a time turner that means all the things you do already happened.
I love how she is like
"Oh Shit!, I better get rid of these."
But you can’t change time with a time turner, just visit the past. It basically allows you to clone yourself
But they were created in the first place, right? Like maybe the blueprints are lost, maybe the technology is forbidden, but I don't think that any of those would stop wizard daring enough from creating new ones.
Actually, not even JK understood how she wrote time travels in her books. It's impossible to change the past and undo mistakes using time turners, because the past has already happened. For example, buckbeak never died, because Harry and Hermione saved him, after traveling to the past. All of your actions when you are in the past are already predetermined in order to make the present you are from. So no, a wizard can't fiz his mistakes by time traveling because if his mistake have happened already, he will never be able to change it, or he will give up on changing it, or even his attempt at changing it could be the triggrer that made it happen in first place.
Ignoring cursed child I haven’t seen it but I cannoned that time travel was predetermined
like you can’t change the pass but you can visit it, in the way how the rock was thrown at Harry in the shack it was thrown the first time so it was thrown the second
Wow have you guys not seen avpm and avps they literally touch on it in avps
"Oh no Neville just knocked over time travel"
Why do so many people not understand how time travel works in Harry Potter. You can’t change the past because the past already happened.
Canonically, Draco Malfoy has one of the only remaining time turners that he considered using to see his wive Astoria again who had passed away because she was a Maledictus(blood cursed), but he decided against it and instead chose to just never use it
I always wondered why they just didn’t use the time turners to save Lily and James and maybe kill Tom Riddle before he made horcruxes or change his life to make him good like the fan fictions.
Yeah but Jk Rowling also said Hermione wasn’t specified as being white in the books when defending a black Hermione in cursed child, even though “Hermione’s white face was sticking out from behind a tree…” in HP: PoA book, and signing off Emma Watson as perfect cast member to play her in the movies. 🤷🏻. Literally making up as she goes along similar to Disney making up canon about Rey Palpatine - post Star Wars.
Uhhh Time Turners DO NOT allow a person to change events, they are just reliving the same events. Buckbeak NEVER died and neither did Harry or Serious
But Buckbeak died the first time, no? It's been a while but I remember very clearly that he got decapitated
@@_blank-_ No, what happened was the executioner hit SOMETHING with his hatched, while the Trio was far away. Then they went into the whole thing with Serius and Peter, we never had anyone say that Buckbeak died or see him die. Harry Potter time travel was never used to alter events. Hermione ALWAYS called Lupin with her howl, buckbeak always protected Hermione and Harry from Lupin and Harry always protected himself and Serius from the Dementors. There hasn't been a single instance in which something has been altered also on top of that it was said that changing the flow of time is dangerous and terrible things happen to the one who tries.
The way it was written it's a closed loop. Meaning it already happened. It can't branch off into other timelines, there's just the one.
Except, it’s clear that time travel works on Terminator logic IE a destiny trap/bootstrap paradox.