You da' man, Jack! Your Sur-Ron is the best eBike project on TH-cam...aero it (of yourself) and let's see it break 90 and then 100 mph! #WorldsFastestSurRon
Thanks for the review Jack Cecil. In fact the BAC8000 give you superior performances at high speed because there is more phase current. The total phase current that your controller deliver( 570A phase) is the TOTAL phase amp that make your motor torque AND field weakening. So if you use let say 33% field weakening to boost torque at high rpm, than the remaining PHASE amp to the motor is 66% of that 570A phase. so in reality you have 376 A phase to the motor. The 188 A phase are for the torque boost taken by the field weakening. A bac4000 with a total budget of 430 phase amp would give you 283 phase amp and 141A for the firld weakening. Just remember that phase amp and field weakening amp are the total budget of phase amp that your motor controller is giving. Adding field weakening reduce the remaining phase amp that contribute to the torque before the BEMF = batt volt.
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, little bike." So, what's the range, about 8-10 mile? Great video series.
Thank you for all your contwnt and hard work. I have been looking for real dyno number on some of these upgrades, and you are the only legit info I have found. Thank you
You will not!! be disappointed with the Tektro twin caliper setup! I have it on my ebike, I've actually stripped inner tube valves off before due to the braking force spinning the tyre on the rim!! I now have a white marker to draw a line over the rim and tyre to check for tyre creep! I also had to glue the tyre on!
The biggest mistake I made was buy an ASI 8000 controller straight from ASI. It doesn't come with the wiring loom, only the plugs. Fat lot of good that does. Emailing them gets you nowhere and it"s definitely not "plug and play". Really disappointing. I have since brought the whole setup from ERT and I'm waiting waiting waiting for it to arrive. All I want is my bike to go hard out like yours. Garth.
I'm running the Sabvoton M72150< I want to run a BAC8000 on my custom cruiser build so bad! It would be a night & day difference. Hell, even the BAC4000 would be a big upgrade from the Sabvoton M72150. I don't care about top speed as it already goes over 70 mph. I want that bottom end power the BAC puts out! Great video bro.
Hello from the uk hope your keeping safe. I have one question could you make an adapter to plug in a charge Point when out and about so you not just limited to the 30-40 miles
Hi, also from the UK. The problem with charging while out and about is the size of the chargers for plugging into the likes of a chademo, just take a look at newzeroland's channel from New Zealand he has a zero bike and the size of the aftermarket fast charger he installed is about the same size as the speed controller on this one. Doable to mount it, maybe as a fake tank or something or you could use a small charger though it would probably take a couple of hours to charge, so you might be as well just taking the AC charger with you in a back pack and plugging it in at destination. It all depends on how you intend to use the bike, it is really designed as a short range commuter or trailie.
Really cool jack! Thx 4 getting bk w/ my buddy. R the update Mac/ osi downloadable yet. I was hoping not 2 hav 2 buy another computer 2 download the updates. Well, a PC in particular... again, thx 4 the help. Hopefully that was the prob & the ERT NXT will b Mac friendly, soon. Or, regrettably I’ll spend more $ on a PC....
Hey jack. I just installed my bac8000 but I have a couple questions about it. The top bracket was drilled in the wrong spot and the bracket is at the wrong angle. It was sitting too low to clear the motor bash guard. It was also pointed towards the ground instead of hugging the frame. I re drilled the holes in the top bracket but it looks pretty ugly now. I have 3 brackets for the bottom with 3 holes in each one but don’t see a way to mount them. Did you use your own custom fabricated brackets or use what was sent? If you used what was sent did you receive the correct hardware to bolt it on? The instructions that came with it were 100% useless as far as mounting the controller. The wiring/programming was very simple but the brackets/hardware I received really missed the mark.
Maybe do a braking test before and after. I guess that if it’s a saint copy it’ll be better than twin tektro brakes, not considering fade. Happy to see it tested though. Good work Jack!
Put a alternator where the pedal kit goes similar to regenerative braking but instead you’ll have an alternator giving you a little bit of a charge So your battery can last longer. I would still use that fan to cool that 8000. The belt drive is really bad ass. I got a question will 270 amps turn you into dust if you were to get electrocuted. They sell custom horns with different horn tunes
so, no need to buy the X edition if going to upgrade with bac 8000 and lightspeed 72v, correct? where can I buy to ship in US as luna only has X black version? thanks!
Is the dyno bike red or orange? Can't tell if its just the lighting but it looks a reddish orange. I want to get that color and know they have both. Hey and so you can just slap that 72V battery right in with the original controller? If it's that easy I think I will do also. Good video on that one too. I am getting this bike. Thanks
Loving the Sur Ron content that thing is a beast. Question I’ve got myself a bws 100cc and wondering what I need to do to get more top speed? I’m maxing out at 80kmh
@@zimmiemeijers6475 a larger rear sprocket will make it pull away quicker but decrease top speed, a smaller one decreases acceleration but ups the top speed
Hey question, I have the same set except I am running the 72v gladiator compact, can you tell me why phase amps seen to be about double the regular amp rating. Thanks
I have just bought a light bee x. Can you advise on the best upgrades. Not wanting to speed a fortune but want to increase power and possible range. Thabks
@@JackCecil I just bought a Sur Ron and would like to upgrade some of the features but I dont know much about controllers and I have heard that there is a big learning curve to exchanging them, do you agree with this? Also I am curious what the numbers look like on this bike when everything is stock except a new 72v battery like you have in this video? Great content by the way, thanks!
Great bike!!! Can honnestly say mine is complete stock just been out for a hour hear in the uk and its a blast of fun 50 mph all day long thats with nobbly tyres on the road lol fast enuff for me,, mines just ace for wheelies dont need speed realy
I would not call the Sur Ron an eBike, sort of like a crossover between a bike and a dirt bike. If you are going to keep doing high speed runs, you might check your rake and trail before you wind up with a fatal speed wobble.
Hey Jack let me know if someone 6'3 fits on that thing properly. Because bike looks kinda small. Need to know before I pull the trigger. Great video like always. Need something stealthy 😁
These are expensive as a standard bike. With 23hp for a total of $7k, they actually are starting to be good VFM. For a 125 sized bike, this is getting on for full power 125 2T power, not far off. I’m sure it will be a heck of lot less maintenance that’s for sure.
If you bought a used 125 2t most likely for 3 grand, because thats what their worth for a 2008-2010 and put 4 grand into engine, clutch, suspension, reeds, etc you could build a solid 125 for 7 grand ja feel bahd
Very curious about ruddys friend will that did the race with his rear shock blowing out. I know your a asphalt hot rod. But any thoughts on suspension??
I really love your video’s, do you know if I can buy the motor with the gears separately from the suron itself because I want to bould my one bike and this is an nicely compact motor. Thanks
You da' man, Jack! Your Sur-Ron is the best eBike project on TH-cam...aero it (of yourself) and let's see it break 90 and then 100 mph! #WorldsFastestSurRon
Its not an ebike
Or nearly the world's fastest lmaoo. He wouldn't be the first over 100mph either.
Does anyone know what speed those tyres will hold? Seems kinda sketch.
@@Thrillowatt did you not watch the video? 112mph or something
It has no pedals so technically not an ebike but still a cool bike
Thanks for the review Jack Cecil. In fact the BAC8000 give you superior performances at high speed because there is more phase current. The total phase current that your controller deliver( 570A phase) is the TOTAL phase amp that make your motor torque AND field weakening. So if you use let say 33% field weakening to boost torque at high rpm, than the remaining PHASE amp to the motor is 66% of that 570A phase. so in reality you have 376 A phase to the motor. The 188 A phase are for the torque boost taken by the field weakening. A bac4000 with a total budget of 430 phase amp would give you 283 phase amp and 141A for the firld weakening. Just remember that phase amp and field weakening amp are the total budget of phase amp that your motor controller is giving. Adding field weakening reduce the remaining phase amp that contribute to the torque before the BEMF = batt volt.
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, little bike." So, what's the range, about 8-10 mile? Great video series.
Thank you for all your contwnt and hard work. I have been looking for real dyno number on some of these upgrades, and you are the only legit info I have found. Thank you
I love the sound of electric motors and drives 🤤
I get off when my washing machine does a spin cycle. 😂
You will not!! be disappointed with the Tektro twin caliper setup! I have it on my ebike, I've actually stripped inner tube valves off before due to the braking force spinning the tyre on the rim!! I now have a white marker to draw a line over the rim and tyre to check for tyre creep! I also had to glue the tyre on!
The biggest mistake I made was buy an ASI 8000 controller straight from ASI. It doesn't come with the wiring loom, only the plugs. Fat lot of good that does. Emailing them gets you nowhere and it"s definitely not "plug and play". Really disappointing. I have since brought the whole setup from ERT and I'm waiting waiting waiting for it to arrive. All I want is my bike to go hard out like yours. Garth.
Didn’t think it was quite that powerful, but I am now a believer. Great video, Jack!
License plate? Does that mean you got pulled by the police? 🤣🤣 another good video jack
Good stuff Jack!! Your explanation of how much cleaner electric is; is the reason I sold all of my nitro rc’s and now only run electric r/c’s.
Leo H. Lol saving the world one r/c at a time
I see he stuck a license plate on it. Getting a little worried a cop might look twice at a electric bike doing 90mph? Lol I'd do the same thing.
70k congrats jack , I remember when ruddy was tryin to get you to 22k so he could drive the Ferrari . Where is the Ferrari ?
Such a nice setup, I need one!!
how long do you ride your surron? any heatproblems with the motor or battery yet?
Another Cecil in the car world. Great videos man!!!!
I'm running the Sabvoton M72150< I want to run a BAC8000 on my custom cruiser build so bad! It would be a night & day difference. Hell, even the BAC4000 would be a big upgrade from the Sabvoton M72150. I don't care about top speed as it already goes over 70 mph. I want that bottom end power the BAC puts out! Great video bro.
Hey Jack, how much torque is it producing? Seems to me like the torque output is more important than hp, especially on electric?
Good choice on not tuning rudniks civic, chances are if it blew up, you’d get hate for it even tho it was gonna blow anyway
Hello from the uk hope your keeping safe.
I have one question could you make an adapter to plug in a charge Point when out and about so you not just limited to the 30-40 miles
Hi, also from the UK. The problem with charging while out and about is the size of the chargers for plugging into the likes of a chademo, just take a look at newzeroland's channel from New Zealand he has a zero bike and the size of the aftermarket fast charger he installed is about the same size as the speed controller on this one. Doable to mount it, maybe as a fake tank or something or you could use a small charger though it would probably take a couple of hours to charge, so you might be as well just taking the AC charger with you in a back pack and plugging it in at destination. It all depends on how you intend to use the bike, it is really designed as a short range commuter or trailie.
Turn power down longer run times ,
Really cool jack! Thx 4 getting bk w/ my buddy. R the update Mac/ osi downloadable yet. I was hoping not 2 hav 2 buy another computer 2 download the updates. Well, a PC in particular... again, thx 4 the help. Hopefully that was the prob & the ERT NXT will b Mac friendly, soon. Or, regrettably I’ll spend more $ on a PC....
Nice content. How about covering licensing and insurance on one of these Sur Rons. Not terribly exciting, but a legit question.
Fr!
Why would I need a license for a e bike?
I got full coverage through geico $20 a month
Do you have anywhere with some decent grade hills so we can see the power and speed up a grade? The acceleration gain must be significant!
It’s Florida. We don’t have hills.
Cool upgrade combination! Hopefully we'll see a 104V battery and a 10,000 power mod. I can dream a little dream 😜😎👍💯
Hey jack. I just installed my bac8000 but I have a couple questions about it. The top bracket was drilled in the wrong spot and the bracket is at the wrong angle. It was sitting too low to clear the motor bash guard. It was also pointed towards the ground instead of hugging the frame. I re drilled the holes in the top bracket but it looks pretty ugly now. I have 3 brackets for the bottom with 3 holes in each one but don’t see a way to mount them. Did you use your own custom fabricated brackets or use what was sent? If you used what was sent did you receive the correct hardware to bolt it on? The instructions that came with it were 100% useless as far as mounting the controller. The wiring/programming was very simple but the brackets/hardware I received really missed the mark.
Maybe do a braking test before and after. I guess that if it’s a saint copy it’ll be better than twin tektro brakes, not considering fade. Happy to see it tested though. Good work Jack!
How are the motor temps holding up?
Tip Toucher yeah i’m wondering if putting so much amps through that stock motor will burn it up soon
Put a alternator where the pedal kit goes similar to regenerative braking but instead you’ll have an alternator giving you a little bit of a charge So your battery can last longer. I would still use that fan to cool that 8000. The belt drive is really bad ass. I got a question will 270 amps turn you into dust if you were to get electrocuted. They sell custom horns with different horn tunes
awesome videos!
Thanks for your research
Is that stock motor? The stator could come apart at some point. Spining so fast. Explode shrapnel. Be carful.
The. Sir ron is really nice I like the performance on that Bike
What would you recommend Segway X160 at $2999 on best buy or Sur-Ron at $3600? Are they the same?
You are doing God's work here Mr. Cecil...😆👍
What sort of process did you go through to get a license plate on the bike?
You didn't see a plate
committed a felony
I'm new to all this, is that 8000 just plug and play, or is there a lot more involved? Yes, awesome videos!
so, no need to buy the X edition if going to upgrade with bac 8000 and lightspeed 72v, correct? where can I buy to ship in US as luna only has X black version? thanks!
Go for metal pads, the shimano JO4C pads will deal with the heat way better than the resin pads.
How much did it cost to get the bac 8000 and the 72v and are they waterproof at all
The 72v battery is $1500 and controller is $999. I wonder if I can use the bac 8000 on stock 60v battery?
Is the dyno bike red or orange? Can't tell if its just the lighting but it looks a reddish orange. I want to get that color and know they have both. Hey and so you can just slap that 72V battery right in with the original controller? If it's that easy I think I will do also. Good video on that one too. I am getting this bike. Thanks
John Ambers it’s orange. And you will need upgraded controller for 72v battery.
20 hp on a bike like that is madness.. how much did u spend on the upgrades?
Loving the Sur Ron content that thing is a beast. Question I’ve got myself a bws 100cc and wondering what I need to do to get more top speed? I’m maxing out at 80kmh
change the sprocket to a larger size, on your rear wheel
@@zimmiemeijers6475 a larger rear sprocket will make it pull away quicker but decrease top speed, a smaller one decreases acceleration but ups the top speed
Andy b you’re absolutely right, I have not thought it through enough before I answered
Thanks for the reply guys I’ll definitely have to look into it. Any other cool mods that I should do?
Your a bit SICK ! 🏆👈👀60 Second Pro Moto EBike !
Big Improvements
Hey question, I have the same set except I am running the 72v gladiator compact, can you tell me why phase amps seen to be about double the regular amp rating. Thanks
I have just bought a light bee x. Can you advise on the best upgrades. Not wanting to speed a fortune but want to increase power and possible range. Thabks
why not max out the 8000? should be able to do 700 odd phase amps or more... though it'll warm that motor a tad haha.
Does this setup helps with mile range? If so or not how much range does this setup gives?
been to a supermoto track by any chance? Or can you powersilde it around corners for that matter?
Hey Cecil, is this Bike registered as a moped or motorcycle?
How do these bikes especially with the mods hold up to rain? Are you going to fry it if it gets wet?
Yo Jack, would take a minute & let us know more about the headlight. The stock light leaves a little to be desired.
would the other belt drive kit give you higher top speed? and also stop it wheeling so easy
Awesome man. Can you mention some of the cost of the upgrades. That's pretty interesting stuff
It's cool, it's the future and all but you could have virtually any new 250 of your choice for what he has into his surron
Total cost including bike is 7k.
@@JackCecil Can we buy one from you with the a BAC 4000 and a belt drive already installed?
@@JackCecil I just bought a Sur Ron and would like to upgrade some of the features but I dont know much about controllers and I have heard that there is a big learning curve to exchanging them, do you agree with this? Also I am curious what the numbers look like on this bike when everything is stock except a new 72v battery like you have in this video? Great content by the way, thanks!
Great bike!!! Can honnestly say mine is complete stock just been out for a hour hear in the uk and its a blast of fun 50 mph all day long thats with nobbly tyres on the road lol fast enuff for me,, mines just ace for wheelies dont need speed realy
I'm just waiting for the new motor. I want to build one, but at the moment it's just not yet enough
what wheel set are you using? do you have video of it?
Hey jack what is your field of weakening set at ?
Can i run stock battery with the bac 8000? or is it waste of money? is bac 4000 better with stock battery?
You sale the bike? Haven't seen no uploads
I ordered the BAC 8000 but no 72v batt yet. This won’t affect my stock battery will it?
does the bac8000 work on the light bee x or the normal x which is better and faster
Do you guys do custom surron work?
Why not compare torque numbers?
I would not call the Sur Ron an eBike, sort of like a crossover between a bike and a dirt bike. If you are going to keep doing high speed runs, you might check your rake and trail before you wind up with a fatal speed wobble.
:20 "the corona wave is unstable"
*sighs in american* we know batman...we know
Is it with the stock motor?
how much is it. that kind of bike.Wow.
Can u or someone that got a bac 8000 pls tell me the measurement of the controller than in advance.
can you ship that to Uganda East Africa how much would it cost me
Hey Jack let me know if someone 6'3 fits on that thing properly. Because bike looks kinda small. Need to know before I pull the trigger. Great video like always. Need something stealthy 😁
Jack is at least 6' I think
As a mountain biker, I've never seen a duall caliper fork or hub? How are you planning on doing this?
it's a bolt-on, dual disc hub & forks are at least 5 years old
What's build cost ???
Been looking at the Sur Ron’s for off road around my property. They can’t get wet?
They can for sure its cuz of his upgrades hes done the controller on them is aftermarket
Sounds wicked awesome
Jack how come you guys go belt instead of chain when going for all this power? Im sure its different than motorcycle but still wondering
Noise and parastatic draw
justin credible on my HD i did some work and went chain. I can see belt for noise
You should do a test with it weighted down
I like the Saran the performance is badass
Would be cool to put a motor in the front wheel to ad more Power ! Even 1000w motor would give some boost !
How much is the Bac 8000??
About $1k gets you the bac8000 with the nxt display
Why dont you sit on the sur on when you test it? Seems and sounds like theres tire spin because of all the instant torque?
He probably rolled on the throttle (not punching it )
Jack about dame time whoooohooooooo
What is the ah of the battery?
What Phase Amper on display bac 8000 writing?!)
I want to buy this bike where can I order this set up
Why do you have a license plate? I don't see any turn signals, mirrors or a brake light?
Yes
@@JackCecil so it's street legal?
@@benriding8678 obviously not, the plate is from another bike
Yo sup with the license plate!????
Thank God Rudnik didn't give you Corona
Coz we dont eat the damn things
Good corona taste like water
Thinking about the Storm?
No it’s too big.
What kind of headlight is that?
What about torque numbers??
Nice really nice I like to build one red is my favorite color
These are expensive as a standard bike. With 23hp for a total of $7k, they actually are starting to be good VFM.
For a 125 sized bike, this is getting on for full power 125 2T power, not far off. I’m sure it will be a heck of lot less maintenance that’s for sure.
If you bought a used 125 2t most likely for 3 grand, because thats what their worth for a 2008-2010 and put 4 grand into engine, clutch, suspension, reeds, etc you could build a solid 125 for 7 grand ja feel bahd
Let's be clear Rudnick and the bike didn't HAVE a problem, He IS A PROBLEM. (for anything he touches). 🤯🤣😂🤣
Allen Lord it’s because he constantly makes train wreck decisions.
Very curious about ruddys friend will that did the race with his rear shock blowing out. I know your a asphalt hot rod. But any thoughts on suspension??
It’s good for the street setup.
I really love your video’s, do you know if I can buy the motor with the gears separately from the suron itself because I want to bould my one bike and this is an nicely compact motor. Thanks
that is what i was going to do
O’Brien FPV do you know where to buy an Suron motor
whats the torque tho👀
Can you ride it while raining or when the road is wet?
the other bike got wet & died
How much did all the upgrades cost? Total price with bike please.
7k
I wanted to ask the same thing.Can you buy the bike with all these mods already in the bike?
could u just tell me the best upgrades to make it go 60 tops nothin else no batteries just the controller
Did you ever find out? I'm looking at the bac8000 controller w stock battery for now
What is the max distance for bac 8000, if you were riding 60 mph constant?
I'm wondering the same. You ever find out?
With the bac8000 and the 72v battery riding around 55mph he got 35miles of range out of it before it died
Is it still the stock motor?
Yes