Honda might not have the most powerful atv's but they know how to make things that last forever. I have a 1982 Big red 200 and it pops off anytime, anywhere. All original. Its needed nothing except general maintenance.
@@OutworldEmperor Well the talon dct is the same as the african twin, so that is having many problems with not shifting, over heating electronics that stall the engine, and other issue in general. So that in itself could be the issue refered too.
For their first dabble in the sport SxS class id personally give Honda a thumbs up! This is just the beginning of the Talon! Who knows where it’ll go from here.... Turbos? 4-seaters? 72” or 50” Talons???? Good job Honda!!!
Except they have no business charging that much for the 1st Generation! Just like Polaris 08' 800 were only $12K until they fixed the suspension and power problems, then they got to $20K. In a couple of years after Honda fixes all the bugs, then rack up the price.
TJ Shine I hear ya. Although the 2008 rzr is no where near the current models.... And they aren’t $8000 more either.... In Canada I can buy a current 900 rzr 50” wide for only about $3500 more then the ‘08 retailed for.... And that includes power steering, better shocks, better tires and much better refinement overall....
I had the opportunity to drive the 1000R model this weekend on the backway to Crown King in Az and i gotta say i am so blown away and amazed. If i ever bought a non turbo SxS I’d 100% buy the talon.
Can't wait to see how these stand up to eastern trails. Unlike the YXZ it has low range and it also has a unique brake based front diff. It will be interesting how everything stands up to trail abuse and drivetrain shock. I've seen abusive videos where YXZ clutches failed (but they have improved it somewhat with a lower first gear.) The Talon's low range will help mitigate this problem. Many with CVT belts failing in about 400 miles with lots of drags and oversized tires. How will the DCT handle oversized tires? You have to respect Honda for keeping the power level almost reasonable. Eastern riders don't need 150HP nowhere here to use that kind of power legally or even vaguely safely. Interesting days ahead in SXS world.
With the rear shocks mounted outbound of the trailing arms, Honda won't even commit to them being able to run 30's, hence the tiny little 28's. Not a chance fitting 32's like on a stock XP Rzr or CanAm.
Really? You can ask that with a straight face, first upgrade almost anyone with any machine does is larger tires, especially with a sport machine. Not saying that this is a bad machine, it’s not, it’s a great first offering, just being honest about it’s shortcomings as well.
@@WooleySwampAdventures i wasnt asking anything. It was a sarcastic statement. They did it on purpose to ensure reliability of their product. Honda is known to do this with their setups because that reliability is what their reputation is built on
@@WooleySwampAdventures I wasn't very clear in my reply. What I meant to say is that on some channels they were burning belts pretty quickly but that might have been because of oversized tires and a lot of drags. In addition most of them had tunes and overboost. So not saying the CVT's are terrible just it will be interesting to see if DCT's hold up better is all. Relax
I feel like most of the complaints people have about the cvt belts not lasting could be eliminated if they properly took the time to break them in properly.
People put gigantic tires on their rzrs and drive in high range when they should be using low range. In normal conditions, belts last a long time and are really hard to break.
Nice video and thanks for producing. May want to mention some more info about the drivetrain next time. Obviously 4x4 with front axles (plus is there even a 2x4 UTV now a days) but what about engaging 4x4 or is it an automatic system? Also no mention on differentials, locking/non etc. Still loved the video and the comparison between the two. For my use if I were ever to get a UTV it would be the pioneer. Btw heck of a price tag on it in Canada!!
Appreciate the feedback. And there is a story behind this. As you noticed, the in-Talon audio wasn't the best. Well, about 3/4 of the way through me driving and talking, the mic cut out altogether, as something got disconnected. It's always tough to get clean stuff when you're out ripping around. My entire piece on the Talon's I-4WD system was lost. But I have good news: I'll be getting a Talon 1000X to test on my trails here in Ontario this spring. And I'll not only dive deeper into the 4WD system, but I'll run it through the mud and see how it holds up. Stay tuned and thanks for watching!
I'm a honda fan but their current ATV lineup isn't anything to brag about after they discountied the TRX450R and 400X. I always thought the Turbo S was the easiest SxS to travel quickly it's very confidence inspiring and never thought it was trying to kill me.
A lot of us have that love-hate relationship right now with Honda over their sport quad ATVs. The reason they discontinued them was dealers couldn't sell new machines because the used market was so flooded no one was going to pay 2, 3 , or 4 times the price used just to buy new. I'll have to talk to my insider about it, but I'm pretty sure if you don't see them come back this year they'll be back next year. If you look across the board, Honda has completely revamped all phases of their powersports division. They've come out with a ton of wildly popular new motorcycles, dirt bikes, and dual sports. They focused next on the side by side market because of how much more profitable they are (which the dealers desperately needed), and the used 400/450 atv market is starting to dry up a little so I think they may give it one more year and by then have some super exciting machines for us. If their stuff wasn't so reliable they probably wouldn't be on this situation. Trust me though, there are tons of people (myself included) who share the same sentiment with you. I'll talk to my insider friend to see if he knows anything. He knew almost 2 years before the Talon came out that Honda was working on a new sport side by side
I have a 2021 R. The stock suspension was so stiff it made me sick every time I drove it. I had new springs installed and the shocks rebuilt and now I love it.
I just sat in one and I'm 6'2" as well, I was disappointed at the way my knees were kept up too high. Come on Honda this is the American market, we need room!
If they make it too big then it wont fit on the trails. The whole point of a side by side is that you can take it on very narrow trails that tear up off road cars. It sounsd like an old Jeep CJ or TJ is better for you.
Depends on the application. I got a new pioneer 700 delux for under 10k yesterday. Mine is primarily for work/utility and some moderate trail riding. The talon and rzr are meant for one thing... Kicking ass at high speed
You can't really compare those gems to anything really. They created a class. Sure they were 2wd, but a locked or spool 2wd will go much further than an open 4x4.
At our Honda shop we have replaced a few clutches on 700 & 1000 Pioneers from people abusing them. Quite the job. I would rather replace a belt any day on a CVT
I think the whole "Honda's are built to last 20 years" mantra is from the ordinary people who buy them. Old guys that drive 20mph everywhere and think mayonnaise is too spicy.
because they have just as much tech involved in producing them. where cars have investment into interior and sound reduction these have investment into suspension and performance go look and see how much it costs too build a trophy truck and you will appreciate the price of a new SxS
Great video! Looks like the Talon is under powered and no room for us bigger guys. I could see your knees very close to the wheel and an even tighter fit than even the RZR. It also looked as if the suspension was "Bucking" in the rear while taking the whoops. The thing that Honda wins is reliability. All Honda power plants will last for years!
Regardless of the helmet, it's always tough to get clean audio while riding. The mouthpiece on this helmet certainly didn't help though. We're working on some new solutions so stay tuned for non-box audio!
if they were consumed with audio quality they'd just narrate the audio and we'd lose the live impressions of the SxS. I'd gladly trade crystal clear audio away in favour of a review where they're detailing how it feels at that exact moment instead of trying to remember a week later in a studio.
@@TFLoffroad id like to suggest watching some motovloggers many of them have good formulas for helmet audio with minimal wind noise clear voice input and good engine and exhaust sounds in the background. but yeah get rid of that helmet you'll never produce quality audio with that respirator over your face might as well try to talk through a kazoo.
The rep that came by our dealer said 74mph and it pulls the Polaris out of the whole but the Polaris reels it in on top unsure of which RZR 1000 ot was
"That's what the off-road Community is about, helping each other" You can tell this guy is Canadian. Here in America if you get stuck, and have to leave your machine to get help. By the time you get back, someone will have pulled it out ,stripped off every part that has resale value, and probably set it on fire to make sure there are no fingerprints left behind.
You really should consider a canam or a wildcat. Canam might be the Maserati but wildcat is the Corvette. It had the best handling in the business. You break belts infrequently when you break them in properly.
Good review. But I think you really missed the boat by not including the sound byte of that thing shifting in auto mode on a full pull. That’s what sets that thing apart. All high end sxs’s have great suspension. But tranny to motor is where this one stands out
Honda's also put down the power reliably. our pioneer 1000 with 77hp is quicker than our Maverick turbo ever was. Honda will always offer lower power, but a real transmission. Making 160hp is great, but the cvt isn't putting that down and it's unreliable.
I would love to see some sort of reliability data. I am curious if you can have long term versions from all the manufacturers, go down same trails over the years and see who stays reliable over a couple years. I want to think Honda has the most just because of their car reputation, but who knows.
@@dmegahan There is a 1% of sxs owners where nothing they buy will last cause they are just that type of person. Most the top names are realiable and fine for the life of ownership. The most capable stock are in this order. Polaris RZR XPT, Can AM X3 Smart loc, Kawasaki Teryx, ANy of those are realiable machines that can give long time of smiles.
FYI, Honda has been using that double clutch twin engine in the African Twin motorcycle for about 4 years. Do a search, you can read up about how it works.
SCHEND0 I’m not sure on that. I typed in talon dyno and alba racing said it was 85.9 whp I believe with a claimed 104 that’s a 17% loss. And they put the rzr xp 1000 at 83 hp which is about a 25% loss.
Love your videos. Excellent information. Just a recommendation, do a voiceover instead of talking while driving. It's hard listening to someone yell while huffing and puffing. Lol.
@@ryant8593 Actually you are wrong. The pioneer is still burning up due to overheating. The fix is supposed to be high flow pump, but thus far not a 100% fix.
The only reason the clutches are burning up is because people keep them in high range on trails. The same idiot that burns up a cvt by keeping in high, will burn up a dct doing the same.
The quality of Honda is 1000x better than every side by side, ATV & UTV in market, yes some more Horses are needed but Honda allready have some super surprises! Polaris, CanAm and all will be very disapointed.
So I know this is a SXS not a lawn mower, but I own a lawn care business and Honda mowers are ok but they are expensive, complicated, and have protected dealer networks that make parts and repairs outrageously expensive. Is it the same for their ATV's? I had Honda mowers but went with exmark walk behinds as they were cheaper overall and cut better, and I can order parts online. Just wondering if that is the same with their ATV's, they are built well but more than anything you pay for the name.
No. Honda ATVs, motorcycles, and dirt bikes have a great reputation for reliability and also parts tend to cost less than direct competitors because they sell more units (not always). Not sure what machines you were using for walk behinds, but the reason their push mowers cost a little more was because they lasted a lot longer. We used to see plenty of Hondas over 15 years old at the small engine shop I used to work at as a parts manager/service writer. The only cost issue I ever saw on the Hondas was the price of replacement tires and replacement parts for the riding mowers (which are very obscure). The replacement tires were just as much as a new unit, but we found an aftermarket supplier who offered quality replacements at a fraction of the Honda cost.
@@gmcwayoflife I had HRC216's with blade brakes. The transmissions went out and were like 400 bucks each. I run exmark now which is Toro commercial. And they are miles ahead of honda on build quality. Parts are also cheaper. I think hondas are respectable but are not built to be used commercially.
I'm curious why anyone would choose the X over the R. I can't imagine 4 inches in width making much difference on mountain trails. Does the X crawl over rocks better??
How does the R seating position and leg room feel compared to the X? Are they the same? Do you have more in the R since it’s longer? I’m 5’10” so if your not “uncomfortable” at 6’2” then I should be fine but I’m a big boy so I’m asking!
It may last. But 100hp to the far 1000 turbo 168hp. Its untouchable. It may be fun but so is my atc200. So the guy said it didnt feel like it was gonna kill him.......the rzr is for people who like adrenaline and can really push thier limits. Congrats Honda. I may buy one for my dad or my little cousins. Nothing but props for trying to stay competitive
Another Rzr fan boy runnin rubber band machines. Yamaha is a 3 cylinder to your 2 cylinder rubber machines haha. Boy's who don't know how to shift just steer.
I don't really know anything about SXS but what I like about the Honda is no CVT. I don't care if it weighs more just CVTs are so unreliable. I hear people talk about CVTs and anyone that has owned a snowmobile knows they suck. They break, you loose power, they overheat, you have to balance and adjust the clutch. I just want something that doesn't deal with that. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know. I wouldn't let my wife buy a car with a CVT in it either. I'd rather use battle proven transmissions.
For similar performance the talon comes in at 20k and the rzr xp 1000 comes in at 18k obviously the rzr is going to sell more they're too close performance wise to justify 2k and that's the talon not the higher performance version.
If you think that they could use more power, how about when you add another adult in there? My RZR 800 is fast as hell, and never bottoms out, when I'm by myself...until you add another person.
In the 80s and 90s ATV manufacturers thought they were giving the right amount of power. Now by today's ATVs standard those yester-year models are pretty weak. I think we will keep seeing power battles among manufacturers. Dual piston engines going to tripple then 4 piston. I think the sport utility lines will get the pure sport hand me down engines.
We have some LONG forest service roads that could use the Tallon R up here in BC. My brother has a few jem claims that are about 60km up FSRs, and getting to them quickly is impossible at the moment .
Ya honda made a good step in the right direction but compared to a rzr or a maverick still not close i mean the radio in the honda pretty much sums it up lol and don’t say ima honda a hater bc i own 2 honda Forman four wheelers and their great always reliable and own a rzr not a guy who is brand loyal just like to get what works best
Its irritating that he is comparing this Naturally aspirated 1000 to the turbo rzr and the turbo can am which are around 8k more expensive than the talon. It would be a more fair comparison to compare this to the also naturally aspiration rzr and can am , which make roughly the same power and cost approximately the same.
You nor I know if it is or isnt yet. Bottom line is dct puts power down a lot better than cvt. I bet a straight line race would be super close. The handling is what I'm curious about.
@@ryanhill5618 so you call me an idiot, but don't say anything beyond that to prove that I'm an idiot. Guess that means you have no real argument against what I said.
@@ryanhill5618 if you think it isn't close you're an idiot. My rzr s 1000 usually outruns rzr xp 1000's due to the power to weight advantage. Yxz 1000's can usually outrun me. The honda might have a little less power, but its transmission just like the Yamaha, puts the power down worlds better than a cvt setup. You're ignoring facts like the typical polaris fanboy, or honda hater. Also have to remember that the honda is built to compete with no turbo models.
One question for ya bud.. Would u buy one before yxz-rzr turbo-x3. Also I can get a 1000 turbo rzr for 17,500 out the door"Abrams power sports" in Wisconsin. Thanks. I'm leaning towards yxz tho same price as turbo rzr
Best helmet I’ve ever owned for snowmobiling.... I wouldn’t recommend it for summer riding.... The mouthpiece is great for getting rid of breath in the cold air but restrictive in the summer when it’s not necessary!
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Stephen along with the SXS Blog guys have set the bar on how these videos should be done. Really enjoy all TFL content. Keep up the great work.
I watched them all. Fishers ATV world 1 hour show on it really gave me the true pros and cons. Sadly the SXS guys didn't.
@@Lebatron1970 fishers was a joke. Nothing but a bought and paid for bashing from can am
@@OutworldEmperor truth hurt?
@@ryanhill5618 the truth that fishers is a joke lol. Every other review besides them said its amazing. Usually majority rules in comparisons
Fishers ATV world is a joke!!! He is up can am ass so far it isn’t even funny!! Look how little of views he got on his review of the talon 😂
This will be a great trail rig. I love my pioneer 1000. 3500 miles running 30s and not an ounce of trouble.
I wish Honda would bring that engine to their ATV line-up wth an all new model.
I don’t need it. I DEFINITELY don’t need it. *I NEEED IT!!*
Honda might not have the most powerful atv's but they know how to make things that last forever. I have a 1982 Big red 200 and it pops off anytime, anywhere. All original. Its needed nothing except general maintenance.
That is a meaningless comparison.
@քօӀվʍօɾքհìҟ Where you seen or heard this?
@@wraith511802003 he hasnt hes just pulling shit out his ass
@@OutworldEmperor Well the talon dct is the same as the african twin, so that is having many problems with not shifting, over heating electronics that stall the engine, and other issue in general. So that in itself could be the issue refered too.
Honda brings the best bikes every year
My 2000 cr250 still cranks first kick
08 cbr600rr is still my favorite street bike
For their first dabble in the sport SxS class id personally give Honda a thumbs up! This is just the beginning of the Talon! Who knows where it’ll go from here.... Turbos? 4-seaters? 72” or 50” Talons???? Good job Honda!!!
I’m expecting a Talon 1000RR with a turbo and 72 inches wide to be announced for Christmas
Robert Winkler Wouldn’t that be great!
Yes they have with problems of overheating and not shifting correctly.
Except they have no business charging that much for the 1st Generation! Just like Polaris 08' 800 were only $12K until they fixed the suspension and power problems, then they got to $20K. In a couple of years after Honda fixes all the bugs, then rack up the price.
TJ Shine I hear ya. Although the 2008 rzr is no where near the current models.... And they aren’t $8000 more either.... In Canada I can buy a current 900 rzr 50” wide for only about $3500 more then the ‘08 retailed for.... And that includes power steering, better shocks, better tires and much better refinement overall....
Drove it. Loved it. Bought it (the 1000X).
Steve
how is it compared to rzr?
Why did you choose the X over the R??
@@mrq1701, because we ride tight trails. I am more interested in turning radius than high-speed handling.
@@stellarpod I had not thought about the turning radius being very meaningful. Thank you for answering
Great review! Been looking forward to this for a while. Would love to see a Polaris General review
I had the opportunity to drive the 1000R model this weekend on the backway to Crown King in Az and i gotta say i am so blown away and amazed. If i ever bought a non turbo SxS I’d 100% buy the talon.
Nic Lejman live in the PHX area and that’s exactly the first trail we are going to hit with the 1000r. Thanks for the comment!
Can't wait to see how these stand up to eastern trails. Unlike the YXZ it has low range and it also has a unique brake based front diff. It will be interesting how everything stands up to trail abuse and drivetrain shock. I've seen abusive videos where YXZ clutches failed (but they have improved it somewhat with a lower first gear.) The Talon's low range will help mitigate this problem. Many with CVT belts failing in about 400 miles with lots of drags and oversized tires. How will the DCT handle oversized tires? You have to respect Honda for keeping the power level almost reasonable. Eastern riders don't need 150HP nowhere here to use that kind of power legally or even vaguely safely. Interesting days ahead in SXS world.
With the rear shocks mounted outbound of the trailing arms, Honda won't even commit to them being able to run 30's, hence the tiny little 28's. Not a chance fitting 32's like on a stock XP Rzr or CanAm.
@@WooleySwampAdventures you ever stop to think that they did this on purpose to ensure reliability? Lol
Really? You can ask that with a straight face, first upgrade almost anyone with any machine does is larger tires, especially with a sport machine. Not saying that this is a bad machine, it’s not, it’s a great first offering, just being honest about it’s shortcomings as well.
@@WooleySwampAdventures i wasnt asking anything. It was a sarcastic statement. They did it on purpose to ensure reliability of their product. Honda is known to do this with their setups because that reliability is what their reputation is built on
@@WooleySwampAdventures I wasn't very clear in my reply. What I meant to say is that on some channels they were burning belts pretty quickly but that might have been because of oversized tires and a lot of drags. In addition most of them had tunes and overboost. So not saying the CVT's are terrible just it will be interesting to see if DCT's hold up better is all. Relax
I feel like most of the complaints people have about the cvt belts not lasting could be eliminated if they properly took the time to break them in properly.
You can'y break in a cvt belt, sorry. Razr 900 XP owner in Arizona here.
People put gigantic tires on their rzrs and drive in high range when they should be using low range. In normal conditions, belts last a long time and are really hard to break.
Love the look of it and the overall approach Honda took when designing this thing.
"It never felt like it wanted to kill me" *So its boring then*
AKA = Good Handling.
@@kbmotorsportsonline excellent chassis for superior control. Power dont matter if you cant control it
@@OutworldEmperor yeah but it's coooool
Its weak and drives like shit....feels like a log wagon compared to Polaris or can am....its just a fact
@@danielthomason5685 so you have driven one?
Nice video and thanks for producing. May want to mention some more info about the drivetrain next time. Obviously 4x4 with front axles (plus is there even a 2x4 UTV now a days) but what about engaging 4x4 or is it an automatic system? Also no mention on differentials, locking/non etc. Still loved the video and the comparison between the two. For my use if I were ever to get a UTV it would be the pioneer. Btw heck of a price tag on it in Canada!!
Appreciate the feedback. And there is a story behind this.
As you noticed, the in-Talon audio wasn't the best. Well, about 3/4 of the way through me driving and talking, the mic cut out altogether, as something got disconnected. It's always tough to get clean stuff when you're out ripping around.
My entire piece on the Talon's I-4WD system was lost.
But I have good news: I'll be getting a Talon 1000X to test on my trails here in Ontario this spring. And I'll not only dive deeper into the 4WD system, but I'll run it through the mud and see how it holds up.
Stay tuned and thanks for watching!
Thanks for the good video on the Talons! Off subject question.What brand and model of helmet are you wearing? I'd like to check one out.
I'm a honda fan but their current ATV lineup isn't anything to brag about after they discountied the TRX450R and 400X. I always thought the Turbo S was the easiest SxS to travel quickly it's very confidence inspiring and never thought it was trying to kill me.
So true honda has been pissing me off, bring back the race quads!!
A lot of us have that love-hate relationship right now with Honda over their sport quad ATVs. The reason they discontinued them was dealers couldn't sell new machines because the used market was so flooded no one was going to pay 2, 3 , or 4 times the price used just to buy new. I'll have to talk to my insider about it, but I'm pretty sure if you don't see them come back this year they'll be back next year. If you look across the board, Honda has completely revamped all phases of their powersports division. They've come out with a ton of wildly popular new motorcycles, dirt bikes, and dual sports. They focused next on the side by side market because of how much more profitable they are (which the dealers desperately needed), and the used 400/450 atv market is starting to dry up a little so I think they may give it one more year and by then have some super exciting machines for us. If their stuff wasn't so reliable they probably wouldn't be on this situation. Trust me though, there are tons of people (myself included) who share the same sentiment with you. I'll talk to my insider friend to see if he knows anything. He knew almost 2 years before the Talon came out that Honda was working on a new sport side by side
I have a 2021 R. The stock suspension was so stiff it made me sick every time I drove it. I had new springs installed and the shocks rebuilt and now I love it.
I just sat in one and I'm 6'2" as well, I was disappointed at the way my knees were kept up too high. Come on Honda this is the American market, we need room!
If they make it too big then it wont fit on the trails. The whole point of a side by side is that you can take it on very narrow trails that tear up off road cars. It sounsd like an old Jeep CJ or TJ is better for you.
Really like the helmet with the integral filter. What make/model is that? Great review btw!
God side by sides are so damn expensive.
You could get a used one for at least 4 to 3 thousand
Depends on the application. I got a new pioneer 700 delux for under 10k yesterday. Mine is primarily for work/utility and some moderate trail riding.
The talon and rzr are meant for one thing... Kicking ass at high speed
SpecTech u can put a plow on a talon. And haul a trailor. Hehe
Not rlly
$20,000 is insane. How do these cost almost as much as a new car?
Nice rides!!!! Love everything Honda... You buy Honda you can never be let down!!! That is a long time proven fact!!
When you’re talking about the 1000r you are showing the 1000x and vice versa. Oops!
Awesome video loved it! These Talons are beautiful, the DCT transmissions are big step up from belt drive.
Very informational and got strait to the point unlike all the other videos.Great vid keep it up
They actually had the first sport side by side the pilot odessey founded the way for all the modern side by sides
I think the term side by side refers to the occupants sitting side by side, so I wouldn't call the pilot or odyssey a SxS.
You can't really compare those gems to anything really. They created a class. Sure they were 2wd, but a locked or spool 2wd will go much further than an open 4x4.
What only a 299LB bed??? The other brands give us a full 300 dammit!
Honda being smart by not adding a crazy amount of power. This machines will outlast any of my side by sides out there
At our Honda shop we have replaced a few clutches on 700 & 1000 Pioneers from people abusing them. Quite the job. I would rather replace a belt any day on a CVT
I think the whole "Honda's are built to last 20 years" mantra is from the ordinary people who buy them. Old guys that drive 20mph everywhere and think mayonnaise is too spicy.
@@KriegerKrieg You win sir! You absolutely nailed that demographic.
Left out the most important spec, the price. $20,000. Wowie! I can never understand how these cost as much as a new car. Holy cow!
because they have just as much tech involved in producing them. where cars have investment into interior and sound reduction these have investment into suspension and performance go look and see how much it costs too build a trophy truck and you will appreciate the price of a new SxS
Great review. I appreciate the CanCon as well.
Great video! Looks like the Talon is under powered and no room for us bigger guys. I could see your knees very close to the wheel and an even tighter fit than even the RZR. It also looked as if the suspension was "Bucking" in the rear while taking the whoops. The thing that Honda wins is reliability. All Honda power plants will last for years!
No surprise Honda made another awsome offroad vehicle
Should have chosen a better helmet for reviewing this machine. Sounds like you're in a box not in a sxs
Regardless of the helmet, it's always tough to get clean audio while riding. The mouthpiece on this helmet certainly didn't help though. We're working on some new solutions so stay tuned for non-box audio!
TFLoffroad it’s not that bad
Makes it sound like you're out of breath from running.
if they were consumed with audio quality they'd just narrate the audio and we'd lose the live impressions of the SxS. I'd gladly trade crystal clear audio away in favour of a review where they're detailing how it feels at that exact moment instead of trying to remember a week later in a studio.
@@TFLoffroad id like to suggest watching some motovloggers many of them have good formulas for helmet audio with minimal wind noise clear voice input and good engine and exhaust sounds in the background. but yeah get rid of that helmet you'll never produce quality audio with that respirator over your face might as well try to talk through a kazoo.
love this machine , i wish i would have enough money to buy one
I bought a Polaris Turbo S this year. Gotta say I almost wish I had waited. I will be watching these. Might just need a second machine. :)
Just wait till honda releases the turbo version of it.Its gonna happen sooner or later.
@@RideRedFred they wont release a turbo model Haha. There will be a turbo accessory you can buy on top of your purchase
I thought about buying one of these helmets. I think they are quite good in cool weather and avoiding fogging.
So just how quick is it? Top speed? Acceleration? Polaris 1000 non turbo territory?
Power to weight shows the TALON is lacking, NA 1000 has higher power to weight than the talon.
On another video I saw a Honda rep put the top speed a little over 70mph
The rep that came by our dealer said 74mph and it pulls the Polaris out of the whole but the Polaris reels it in on top unsure of which RZR 1000 ot was
N Perry thank you sir that’s what I wanted to know. Sounds like a solid machine.
Good video of the Talon.. We will have our hands on one soon
I added Trinity pipes to my 2021 Talon. Awesome sound and lost a few pounds.
"That's what the off-road Community is about, helping each other"
You can tell this guy is Canadian.
Here in America if you get stuck, and have to leave your machine to get help. By the time you get back, someone will have pulled it out ,stripped off every part that has resale value, and probably set it on fire to make sure there are no fingerprints left behind.
Bought a wrecked 1000r on copart, made my own cage and now I have a $13,000 Talon
I'd like to see how that transmission holds up to a turbo kit. I was hoping Honda would drop a 150 hp model.
bernardthefourth you can a factory turbo that produces 60% more hp
Uh oh, looks like Polaris and Yamaha are going to have some tough competition against Honda with this
ChevyDude do u think Honda is a little behind??? How does this compare to the turbo s?? I don’t think there is any competition
My rzrs belt snapped so called my buddy to rescue me with his rzr.While towing me his belt also snapped.Im getting a honda.
You really should consider a canam or a wildcat. Canam might be the Maserati but wildcat is the Corvette. It had the best handling in the business. You break belts infrequently when you break them in properly.
Have fun replacing a clutch when the Honda breaks
Sounds like your belts weren’t broken in, or don’t use low gear enough, or you don’t change the belt at proper time intervals
Stay out of high side
Good review. But I think you really missed the boat by not including the sound byte of that thing shifting in auto mode on a full pull. That’s what sets that thing apart. All high end sxs’s have great suspension. But tranny to motor is where this one stands out
Darren Desautels seriously always too much music to videos like this!
IF THE X3 DIDN'T KILL THE RZR, THE TALON SURE IS NOT GOING 2.
even as a die hard polaris fan if i couldnt get a rzr i would be snagging one of these
great vid. getting a red R.
Always nice when you can rescue a Polaris driver with "not a Polaris!" :)
“Just a little over 100 hp”.....Honda, welcome to 2013.....
Honda's also put down the power reliably. our pioneer 1000 with 77hp is quicker than our Maverick turbo ever was. Honda will always offer lower power, but a real transmission. Making 160hp is great, but the cvt isn't putting that down and it's unreliable.
Having the most HP doesn't make a vehicle better or even better in a race "Suzuki Hayabusa" can get smoked by a lower power bike.
I would love to see some sort of reliability data. I am curious if you can have long term versions from all the manufacturers, go down same trails over the years and see who stays reliable over a couple years. I want to think Honda has the most just because of their car reputation, but who knows.
Myths are what fan boys hang on.
M K so who has the most reliable rigs?
@@dmegahan There is a 1% of sxs owners where nothing they buy will last cause they are just that type of person.
Most the top names are realiable and fine for the life of ownership.
The most capable stock are in this order.
Polaris RZR XPT, Can AM X3 Smart loc, Kawasaki Teryx, ANy of those are realiable machines that can give long time of smiles.
Toyota cars are more reliable then Honda in which can not build a reliable cvt so they didn't here also Toyota and Yamaha have shares with each other
FYI, Honda has been using that double clutch twin engine in the African Twin motorcycle for about 4 years. Do a search, you can read up about how it works.
whats your favorite side by side?
its about time Honda came out with a side by side what took so long
Other 1000s might have a little bit more hp but they loose so much going through the cvt. This and the Yamaha are the only way to go
theman68and1 Hondas DCT loses about 30% power to the wheels. RZR only losses 17% with their CVT.
SCHEND0 I’m not sure on that. I typed in talon dyno and alba racing said it was 85.9 whp I believe with a claimed 104 that’s a 17% loss. And they put the rzr xp 1000 at 83 hp which is about a 25% loss.
Loving the R
Love your videos. Excellent information. Just a recommendation, do a voiceover instead of talking while driving. It's hard listening to someone yell while huffing and puffing. Lol.
The pioneer 1000s were burning clutches when they first came out. The talon is geared alot higher so I'm a little skeptical. Time will tell.
Talon has a 6 low gear and 6 high gear.
100% False.
@@ryant8593 Actually you are wrong. The pioneer is still burning up due to overheating. The fix is supposed to be high flow pump, but thus far not a 100% fix.
@@ryant8593 100% true they had a clutch cover recall for 2016 and 17 models.
The only reason the clutches are burning up is because people keep them in high range on trails. The same idiot that burns up a cvt by keeping in high, will burn up a dct doing the same.
Add intake and exhaust upgrade and get a few extra ponies...
Best ATV Honda ever made was the FL250, FL350 and the FL400. I'd take any of those over a these side by sides.
Hmmmm. Not sure if I’m sold yet. 🤔. I’ve always been a Honda guy but Polaris has been in the side by side game for awhile.
The quality of Honda is 1000x better than every side by side, ATV & UTV in market, yes some more Horses are needed but Honda allready have some super surprises! Polaris, CanAm and all will be very disapointed.
I really love these buggys/atvs
Technically UTV or SxS. But ya they are the most fun you can have in my opinion!
So I know this is a SXS not a lawn mower, but I own a lawn care business and Honda mowers are ok but they are expensive, complicated, and have protected dealer networks that make parts and repairs outrageously expensive.
Is it the same for their ATV's?
I had Honda mowers but went with exmark walk behinds as they were cheaper overall and cut better, and I can order parts online. Just wondering if that is the same with their ATV's, they are built well but more than anything you pay for the name.
No. Honda ATVs, motorcycles, and dirt bikes have a great reputation for reliability and also parts tend to cost less than direct competitors because they sell more units (not always). Not sure what machines you were using for walk behinds, but the reason their push mowers cost a little more was because they lasted a lot longer. We used to see plenty of Hondas over 15 years old at the small engine shop I used to work at as a parts manager/service writer. The only cost issue I ever saw on the Hondas was the price of replacement tires and replacement parts for the riding mowers (which are very obscure). The replacement tires were just as much as a new unit, but we found an aftermarket supplier who offered quality replacements at a fraction of the Honda cost.
@@gmcwayoflife I had HRC216's with blade brakes. The transmissions went out and were like 400 bucks each. I run exmark now which is Toro commercial. And they are miles ahead of honda on build quality. Parts are also cheaper. I think hondas are respectable but are not built to be used commercially.
Again though this is apples to oranges. I bet the talon is a fine sxs.
I really like the enclosed helmet, no worry about goggles, does it fog up or do you put a defogger on it? Brand?
It's a Ski Doo helmet...bvs2. they're over $300
Damn...I'm still sporting my 2011 Polaris rzr 900xp with 88hp. Even with 88hp it runs great!!!
I'm curious why anyone would choose the X over the R. I can't imagine 4 inches in width making much difference on mountain trails. Does the X crawl over rocks better??
Could you tell me the name and brand of the helmet you were using?
Great video
Yeah this video was very well done.
Paddle shifters? So cool!
How does the R seating position and leg room feel compared to the X?
Are they the same? Do you have more in the R since it’s longer?
I’m 5’10” so if your not “uncomfortable” at 6’2” then I should be fine but I’m a big boy so I’m asking!
The cabs are the same from the X to the R, the difference in length comes from suspension
It may last. But 100hp to the far 1000 turbo 168hp. Its untouchable. It may be fun but so is my atc200. So the guy said it didnt feel like it was gonna kill him.......the rzr is for people who like adrenaline and can really push thier limits. Congrats Honda. I may buy one for my dad or my little cousins. Nothing but props for trying to stay competitive
Always been a Honda person love the look of the talon. Got a 2016 rzr dont like it want the honda talon
Exactly which vehicle was the 1000X again? Switching what the red vehicle is after the first shots...
great video. thanks man
Rzr killer maybe you should put more thought into the title, how about yxz killer. That I would believe.
Title made you click on the video, I think that was the idea!
I didnt click 4 the title I clicked because I seen honda but he is right .not even close to a rzr
Another Rzr fan boy runnin rubber band machines. Yamaha is a 3 cylinder to your 2 cylinder rubber machines haha. Boy's who don't know how to shift just steer.
I love Hondas but from what I have seen,its no yxz killer! honda are allways on safe and not to wild side! awesome sxs though!
Definitely not going to beat a YXZ
Maybe a Wildcat Killer, Defiantly not a X3 or rzr killer.
Is it the same engine as Africa Twin? Or a tweaked version of it?
I don't really know anything about SXS but what I like about the Honda is no CVT. I don't care if it weighs more just CVTs are so unreliable. I hear people talk about CVTs and anyone that has owned a snowmobile knows they suck. They break, you loose power, they overheat, you have to balance and adjust the clutch. I just want something that doesn't deal with that. Maybe I'm wrong I don't know. I wouldn't let my wife buy a car with a CVT in it either. I'd rather use battle proven transmissions.
For similar performance the talon comes in at 20k and the rzr xp 1000 comes in at 18k obviously the rzr is going to sell more they're too close performance wise to justify 2k and that's the talon not the higher performance version.
If you think that they could use more power, how about when you add another adult in there? My RZR 800 is fast as hell, and never bottoms out, when I'm by myself...until you add another person.
In the 80s and 90s ATV manufacturers thought they were giving the right amount of power. Now by today's ATVs standard those yester-year models are pretty weak. I think we will keep seeing power battles among manufacturers. Dual piston engines going to tripple then 4 piston. I think the sport utility lines will get the pure sport hand me down engines.
Wtf. No R in Canada. Guess I'll hafta wait till they do bring it here. I want the R
Straight up that’s the greatest helmet I’ve ever seen! LoL I just can’t!!!!
We have some LONG forest service roads that could use the Tallon R up here in BC. My brother has a few jem claims that are about 60km up FSRs, and getting to them quickly is impossible at the moment .
Ya honda made a good step in the right direction but compared to a rzr or a maverick still not close i mean the radio in the honda pretty much sums it up lol and don’t say ima honda a hater bc i own 2 honda Forman four wheelers and their great always reliable and own a rzr not a guy who is brand loyal just like to get what works best
What kinda helmet is that? Built in filter?!
Its irritating that he is comparing this Naturally aspirated 1000 to the turbo rzr and the turbo can am which are around 8k more expensive than the talon. It would be a more fair comparison to compare this to the also naturally aspiration rzr and can am , which make roughly the same power and cost approximately the same.
Where did you get that helmet? Can you send me a link
Good thing you put a ? On the thumbnail definitely not a rzr killer an I'm not a polaris guy
You nor I know if it is or isnt yet. Bottom line is dct puts power down a lot better than cvt. I bet a straight line race would be super close. The handling is what I'm curious about.
@@mattdyer489 haha you're an idiot
@@ryanhill5618 so you call me an idiot, but don't say anything beyond that to prove that I'm an idiot. Guess that means you have no real argument against what I said.
@@mattdyer489 if you think it's even close like I said you're an idiot
@@ryanhill5618 if you think it isn't close you're an idiot. My rzr s 1000 usually outruns rzr xp 1000's due to the power to weight advantage. Yxz 1000's can usually outrun me. The honda might have a little less power, but its transmission just like the Yamaha, puts the power down worlds better than a cvt setup. You're ignoring facts like the typical polaris fanboy, or honda hater. Also have to remember that the honda is built to compete with no turbo models.
One question for ya bud.. Would u buy one before yxz-rzr turbo-x3. Also I can get a 1000 turbo rzr for 17,500 out the door"Abrams power sports" in Wisconsin. Thanks. I'm leaning towards yxz tho same price as turbo rzr
Also I have 16 rzr trail that is a blast just want little more
the sxs blog guys say the talon pulls way better than the yxz qnd shifts better and has better suspension might want to look deeper
Thanks I watched sxsblog too. Honda dealership in WISCONSIN said will be in stock April 3.
Here's one for yas how about live in canada for 2 seconds and pay over 26k for the Honda and well over 30k for the x3 and rzr turbo out the door
@@WoodsUnknown dont live in Canada you pay like 50% income tax too dont you or something insane like that? "free" healthcare tho haha
How does it compare against the maverick sport 1000r
Four seater available???
Good video
I like your helmet. What’s the flip down flap where your mouth is called?
Best helmet I’ve ever owned for snowmobiling.... I wouldn’t recommend it for summer riding.... The mouthpiece is great for getting rid of breath in the cold air but restrictive in the summer when it’s not necessary!
Cool shirt👍🏼
The x won’t sell in Saskatchewan! It’s basically wide open spaces here People want suspension travel!!!
thats a badass helmet
Leo Bradshaw I’m coming back to this video specifically looking to see if anyone has named what it is.
Anything killler!!!!! Honda to the top
What kind of helmet are you wearing with the dusk mask made in?, I have never seen one like it.