There is no truth in the fact that Christ was black being shown in the depictions of this video. If you start off with a lie , the rest must also be a lie ! Until you tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth , you will never be taken seriously. You talk about the Jesus doing things than goes against the teachings but in the book of Isaiah 7:14 , Isaiah says that his name shall be called Immanuel. This was 700 plus years before the birth of Jesus. Immanuel mean God with us. Im/man/and/el Immanuel Humans having desire to deceive is of Satan. The truth shall set you free
@@RainintheBrain How do you know it is a myth ??? You are pushing falsehood as you decided to believe that it's a myth and you wabt other's to believe it is a myth does not make it a myth. You find things hard to fit inside your belief and you discount it as a myth. You might need to rethink your proof of actual and mtyhs.
I thought it was in agreement that the story of Isa/Jesus in the Quran was plagiarized from Thomas' infancy gospel as well as the traditional gospel of Mark? Two out of the four Christian gospels do not mention Joseph at all, one of these is the gospel of Mark. The Quran appears to borrow exclusively from both under Mark including the clay bird story which doesn't appear anywhere else. Yet, the Quran ignores the fact that the narrative is expanded to include Joseph in the other two gospels. I believe a "version" was chosen to exclude Joseph and fabricate a demi-god narrative of Jesus' birth and childhood in the Quran because of Jewish and Islamic standards of their time. For Mary to elope without the consent of her parents, who would have arranged marriages, the bride and groom do not chose each other and to be traveling without a male relative, would call for stoning to death as punishment depending on which culture the story is being delivered to. This is ignored and a story is created to exclude Joseph because he is too controversial. Even the Catholic church to this day insists that Jesus' siblings that are mentioned in the bible are not his blood relatives and "must be from a previous marriage of Joseph's," despite no evidence that they are anything but full blood relatives. In a subjective opinion, I still believe that childhood miracles were fabricated to legitimize a "miraculous virgin birth" that never took place, and that Jesus was conceived and born naturally out of wedlock (there wasn't a formal ceremony) and the couple fled to be counted in a census to avoid punishment. If everything was legitimate, there would be no need for the angel to visit Mary in person or Joseph in a dream. The visitations are assurance that God put the two together, not the parents, which they would have taken some time to consider and may not not even approve. At the time, telling people an angel visited would not be taken seriously. This again, trying to make him sound closer to Heracles type legends to make for easier conversion as what was done with the "blood sacrifice" on the cross. Childhood miracles try to give "evidence" that his birth and as a baby, he was "different" and in turn, legitimizing Mary without Jospeh. Cultural context in shaping the radical difference between texts must be considered when examining such anomalous descriptions that are not found with other authors.
+Sarah:The Jesus story of the Quran was not plagiarized from any sources. There are a lot of differences, except for the clay birds miracles and Jesus spoke as an infant (the Quran says he was the servant, not son of God). They may be similar but not the same. Furthermore, the Quran denies the divinity and the crucifiction of Jesus Christ. Instead, he was a human messenger only sent to the Children of Israel. He preached to ONE true God as in the first of the 10 Commandment says. And there is a chapter named Mary, an honor not even found in the Bible. She is honored and respected, chosen as the woman above all nation. Therefore, Muhammad could not have plagiarized stories from other sources, he was given revelation of Quran directly from Allah God Almighty.
If the Gospel of Thomas was real and canon, it woulda been odd if people who knew Jesus said instead of 'Is that the son of the carpenter, Joseph' but 'Isn't that the kid who killed his teacher'
Nazareth, your famous son should have stayed a great unknown Like his father carving wood He'd have made good. Tables, chairs, and oaken chests would have suited Jesus best. He'd have caused nobody harm; no one alarm.
This is so funny to me. The way when the teacher was trying to get him to read the alphabet he just made some snappy comeback and killed her on the spot is absolutely hilarious and completely out of left field. These ancient authors had no chill!
Reminds me of the stories of the childhood of Lord Krishna, when he performs amazing and miraculous feats, yet people insist on treating him like a regular child.
@@kutzcd I was thinking of the original show episode, of which the movie segment is a remake. It's the most obvious comparison, really. In fact it's so close in some ways that I wonder if Bixby was inspired by reading of the Thomas text.
KEN BEE The Young Messiah. It’s a 2016 movie about Jesus in his childhood years through his adult life. Some of the plot of the story was taken from the Apocryphal gospel of Thomas.
Sounds like an edgy teenager's dream. Knows more than the teachers, fights bullies and tries to make simple things like the alphabet be some sort of super-deep crap.
I think u 2. Mortals of flesh n dust to dust forget who Jesus really was n still is the son of God "For my thought r not ur thoughts, neither r ur ways my ways declares the Lord" IS 55:8. Dont mess with the Lord he is more than we can comprehand. Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard what God has for those who love Him💖
@@dorismarin5456 Amen may our lord keep you strong in faith I love Christ Jesus so much, hhe has done so much in my life when I was blind I did not see, when he open my eyes I started seeing him when before I did not, please who ever that is reading this trust me and read the bible you have nothing to loose, satan wants everyone away from the bible, but if you belive that Jesus is the son of God and that God raised him after 3 days confess it with your moulth and trust in him, and he will guide you into the way. In the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
The cultural context of “the alphabet” being “super deep crap”, is important here. As gematria, both Greek, and Hebrew, were a very common practice in first century Judea. 666, “the number of a man”, “for those with eyes to see”, in book attributed to John Of Patmos, is another coded reference to convey a hidden and dangerous political message. There is a numerical value for each letter, in both systems respectively. In the case of 666 or 616 in the other translation, you still get the name Caesar Nero, or Kaiser Neron. (Nrwn Qsr) But yeah, it’s full of esoteric parable, but looks like fan fiction. Is... lol
Just read the whole thing. You fail to mention the only person that stayed dead that Christ killed was the final teacher that hit him. He healed all others. The first boy withered. Did not die. He also explains why he did what he did. Interesting how his methods changed in the end. I suspect there are much deeper meanings to his actions that you are giving credit for....
@jeff jones you have forgotten that he left for 40 days and was tempted by Satan . If he already had powers there would be no reason to tempt him Also he says that all his miracles were done cuz his father did it not him ." I Am" is the truth the light the way ."I Am" is the King of all Kings God of all God's.
@jeff jones A Jew is not what you think a Jew is. There were three major sects calling themselves. Jews (Just like we have many denominations of christians) The fact is, none of the three sects were actually Jews because they had altered the original Jewish way and Laws of the Creator. See; Revelation 3:9 The remnant of the original Jews were the sect of the nazarenes of which Yahshua was of. The first followers of Yahshua called themselves Nazarenes and followers of the way. As in I am the way the truth... " Also the saying; "Eye for an eye." was Moses laws not the creator. The Torah did state ; "However men should treat you, treat them the same way, for it is the Law and the prophets."
Can anyone tell what is the source of this Thomas information? And is he the same Thomas among the 12 postles? Was he an eye witness? Did he at least live during Jesus time? Untill answering all above questions, the whole story is a big lie
@@soskalovesgod9477 If you cannot find the answers yourself, then this will remain "A big Lie" to you. "My sheep will hear my voice." This one will make religious fanatics like you blow a blood vessel, The Savior's name is Yahshua not Jesus/Jzeus. Now go find salvation, if you can.
I would like to hear your perspective on other sources about the early life of Jesus, such as the Arabic Infancy Gospel, and accounts of Jesus living in India and even in Japan. Oddly, I understand there are local claims in India and Japan that Jesus somehow landed there after the crucifixion.
My theory, with absolutely no evidence, is that when Jesus was 12 and found teaching the rabbis he was taken into the Essene community. No proof, just speculation.
@William Burns why not go further and say that all the gospel were fan fiction.....because OFCOURSE you would say its fan fiction, to separate it from the rest. This is picking and choosing. (1 point atheist)
@@Angelotube5000 just because he thinks the bible is corrupted doesn't mean has an atheist. in fact disputes about the composition and interpretation of the bible, what should be canon, etc. have been done since its foundation, and we have hundreds of different denominations because of it. what would be your definition of corrupted if someone applied that to the bible.
Thank you for speaking about all of these fascinating texts! I just would like you to know that you superb work here on TH-cam has aided me in planning to return to my school to finish my masters in Religious studies and possibly even go on for my PhD. Very exciting! Thank you.
I just read it and saw he restored all the things. He Evan revived a boy who fell from a roof and fell and when the boy awake he called Jesus Lord. Amaixing stuff
I like the idea that Jesus had to LEARN how to be kind. Makes him a more compelling character in general as it implies that we can all learn to be kind.
Nowhere at all on TH-cam is anyone simply reading this short text, not even with computer voice. It is completely and utterly awesome badass, and takes about 15 minutes. Stop and go read it.
I'm happy to see at last a serious analysis of this gospel. Many christians believe that it's just pure nonsense but the way I understood the text is that is in fact a deep thought on the nature of the son of God. As you implied, during his childhood Jesus is little more than a brat with super powers. Thus, having powers over life and death is not enough to be the true son of God : it is when Jesus realizes the responsability that comes with this power and decides to use it for the good of others that he really becomes the son of God. Overall, a very interesting narration on the nature of power and its wielder.
Thomas seems to tell the truth more so than any of the other disciples doubting Thomas just for example it was talking about not believing Thomas rather than Thomas not believing, I like this video and I like this gospel sounds more honest
Definitely going to read the link in the description. I have to admit I surprised myself with how shocked (and how immediate the shock was) at a so-called gospel account describing Jesus as killing not just someone, but multiple someones, and teachers and fellow children at that. I guess growing up with these stories of Jesus in scripture makes it really hard to imagine him killing anyone, and I didn't realize how fully I had internalized that idea as unthinkable.
he didn't wanna bring him back to life... he was like "no i didn't push my friend!! ayyo Zeno i didn't push you right?" and Zeno got up and was like "yea man that totally didn't happen."
No doubt that Jesus was a fascinating person. It doesn't matter how much ancient text reaffirm or contradict one another, they all have something in common: Jesus wasn't your average human, and he inspired many people to write some incredible text.
@@Aluminium11 My word, what a lot I could say about this. But never mind. Let's keep it simple and suggest that you probably missed the joke. I assume you're not familiar with Monty Python's Life of Brian.
I remember somewhere in the New Testament Jesus had a burst of rage against a fig three and cursed him to wither on the spot. So the Gospel of Thomas might be true. I read the Gospel of Thomas and Jesus wasnt only killing people he was also healing his friend and resurrecting people that accidentally died around him. For what I understand Jesus used his divine powers against people that were unnecessarily mean towards Him. I didnt feel like he was walking around killing people.
I think many of these questions are what intrigued gnostics. The whole idea of esoteric or special knowledge (codes, special handshakes, secret word, those type of things) are indicative of the essential gnostic background of this story and, of course, the reason no one ever thought of including it in the gospel.
If this was true then Jesus would have been famous all over the place he walked in. He wouldn't have been stranger to many by the time he started preaching. You can see early on his work people asking themselves as "isn't this Jesus the son of Joseph" while making reference to his profession. He was just a normal boy. Don't forget that miracles were at the centre of every human race so is today. That never happened. Plus no reference s ever made in the other gospels about his childhood meaning there was nothing serious to include. He was basically not known until He started his job He was asigned by his Father. One thing we miss here is the fact that when the bible was being written others wrote other stuff too. Things like secular writings, myths and so on were being written at the same time. Not every thing ancient should be linked to Christianity. Not everyone was Christian or religious back then just like today.
there is so much obvious failed apologetic in that I dont even know where to begin. No, Jesus didnt wither a young boy with a touch. and no, he didnt walk on water. no, he didnt raise anyone from the dead. and no, jesus didnt rise from his tomb. jesus wasnt a god. he was a jew who lived and died a natural life. Romans crucified him and left his body to rot on the cross for carrion birds. Because that was what the Romans did as a message to other political insurrectionists.
It’s not that unbelievable to me because in those days a woman giving birth outside of marriage would have been killed. Thats apparently when Jesus spoke
Great analysis, man! It really got me thinking that the first Christians would reject anything that could remind of Roman nobility. Classical education would certainly be a symbol of Roman nobility.
Hi, I've read all the comments concerning this subject, and I see that the commentators are pretty well read and very accurate with whatever information they've gathered from various modes, though if you look at things written in olden days by various authors it's all about how they perceived the events in accordance to their mindsets, hence the debate on what was penned down and what is fact may not be consistent. The only way is to appeal to your inner self or what we call is the conscience which I feel is far more ancient than the books/ sources we read,so a perfect being pre-existing time comes into a physical realm there's bound to be incompatibility and for that reason they crucified lord Jesus Christ and to their surprise resurrection was something they couldn't fathom... regards.
You mean this gospel was the original "Kid Einstein schools atheist teacher" story? Like those stories what end with "that kids name? Albert Einstein!"
@@pascalheimbach861 agreed. There seems to be a similar storytelling approach when you compare tales from the papyrus regarding the exploits of the Priest of Ptah to the prophets of the bible.
I was about to say the same thing.Jesus, stop turning Joseph into a jack in the box or I’m going to take your gold silver and myrrh for an entire month.
Alarm bells started ringing when he kept referencing jesus with school boys and teachers like there was schools back then. This gospel sounds super fishy.
Ghost Emblem I was thinking the same thing. Why would a poor Jew boy attend school? But I think it might be more of a reference to going to temple and listening to scripture?
Regularly-scheduled schooling in a classroom with a contracted teacher was a well known fact of classical antiquity, especially in towns and cities around the eastern Mediterranean (including towns/villages along the Nile). Note that schools and schoolteachers in classical antiquity were a feature of urban life, but not rural life, where most of the population lived and worked. In classical antiquity, literacy and schooling were a mark of an urban upbringing considered superior to rural life.
I love what you are doing,i like the way you do it. I have MTS degree from Perkins school of theology,(SMU). I studied classical Greek as my undergrad language, I am on the page of most of it. I really like your approach.
Actually Jesus was a threat to the Jewish way of life under Mosaic Law. His death symbolizing the end of the Mosaic Law and the beginning of Roman Christianity. This is why Jesus is portrayed as winning against his father and the Pharisees
I remember reading that document decades ago... I remember reading about how the child Jesus causing a boy too go blind because that boy bumped into Him. I stopped reading that book. Not because I believed in Jesus, but because I saw the evil in the child Jesus' activities. That told me that the child Jesus in those stories was a human, not a God. Merely a powerfully enlightened human. Yet as a child, had a lot to learn in a short period of time...
I just found your channel and love how you present these ancient non-canon works in a nuanced way. I do wonder, though, if the first instance was truly meant to be interpreted as "killed", because "withered" seems very vague. When I first read it, I assumed that the kid was either rendered sterile, physically weakened, or both.
These stories are really interesting! Especially since they don’t seem consistent with the canonical NT texts. Jesus turning water into wine at Canna (when he was an adult) is considered his first miracle according to the canonical gospels. Also, Jesus killing people seems inconsistent with the “he who lives by the sword dies by the sword” quote.
Well, presumably some Christians really liked it since it was circulated around enough to end up in Syriac, Greek, and Latin manuscripts. Since copying and translating was difficult back then (not too many skilled, literate scribes), they would have done this only if they found the text valuable. Having said that, some Christian authorities such as Irenaeus come out pretty early saying that this text is heretical. I believe Irenaeus mentions it in Adversus Haeresis 1.20.1
I wonder if it influenced the closing of schools. Education seemed to drop off unless it was by the Church. I would suspect a few followed his example and killed teachers in real life.
I have heard a little bit about this. It's very interesting, and disappointing, that so much of the writings were not included in teachings. I like the Tatooine picture on your wall! Made me smile!
who taught Jesus to walk who taught Jesus to walk who taught him to read and write who taught him the gospel who taught him to be a carpenter how did he know he was born of a virgin was he born knowing all things maybe his mother and farther had something to do with these things
I mean to be fair, imagine if you had "gods powers" (or at least supernatural understanding) throughout your childhood. All those bullies you would have killed (although honestly I think this is more metaphorical because they still had laws and honor back then)
I love little Jesus, he kind of represents, at least to me, the angry, exhausted and frustrated voice of youth everywhere by human storytelling, particularly in education and the theme of age and knowledge. Thank you little Jesus !!!
Regarding the childhood of Jesus......When I was visiting Egypt I was surprised to find that the Coptic church there had a narrative telling the travels of Jesus throughout Egypt while living there as a child. Do you know of any back up to this story or was it developed later as an incentive for pilgrimages etc.
Wow,, no wonder the church left his stuff out they didn't want to make Jesus look bad LOL I love your site.. First time I seen a video I subscribed you appear to be very unbiased and I like that
Stories from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas appear in the Qur'an, which is interesting because Mohammad is said to have studied eith Syriac christians before forming his own community in Medina.
Amr Abuellil wa alaikum salaam! The ability to speak as a baby is one of the things mentioned in versions of the IGJ. I know the prophet (sws) was illiterate, but that wouldn't have stopped him from speaking to others. Also, the cave in which he went to meditate may have contained a cache of scrolls, similar to the one at Qumran, which he could then have taken to learned men to have read.
Gerard Miller that is really amazing, why would u go so far in thinking tge caves of arabia were some sort of scroll libraries? In a desert were maybe only one in a million could read, what would bring those scrolls all this way fron jerushalem? And u should consider the thinking of the arabs at that time when u consider "speaking" to others might inlight them about religion, they actually looked down to others because they thought they were the guardians of Ibrahim's religion. And Allah swt mentioned this argument of yoyrs in the Quran : " We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear." S16V103 *btw, English is my 3rd lang. Sorry :)
MrRedbleu infancy Gospel of Thomas is more credible than all the books written by Paul. It didn’t take Paul anything to change Christianity entirely. Jesus(pbuh) clearly wasted his time preaching.
Well that’s irrelevant cause a Arabic bible hadn’t been translated till after Muhammed had died so maybe you need to do some better research and you’ll find the truth brother, peace be with you
It seems like heresy because the creation event in Genesis was the last time God created anything. He was finished it says on the 6th day and rested the 7th.
Someone did make a comedy about the childhood of Jesus, they're called the Gnostics and they wrote the "gnostic gospels" they are a joke. Only it's really not all that funny.
Why would anyone be making fun of something we don’t know if that relates to our Lord and Savior? Why risk to be condemned for eternity? What gain would you obtain from it besides the praise of the world and yet lose your soul at the end? Are you not afraid of GOD’s power and might?! Would you like someone to make mockery of your mother or father? And would you find it funny? We out to love and respect and fear and honor our Lord and Savior JesusChrist. Peace be with you, in JesusChrist, Amen.
Most of these extra-biblical accounts fail in one primary area in attempting to answer every question and filling in every gap. They just create more problems mainly making the text too tied too closely the age and time the texts were written. The other issue is that all human beings have to learn. Jesus's knowledge, wisdom, and power cannot be instantaneous, and not only because he was God but also the other reality he was "very much" man. Jesus cannot claim "secret" knowledge. He had to learn from some human teacher, learn to talk, learn to read the Tora like every other Jewish boy. Else this would disqualify him from being the human savor of the world, it would just be God going on the cross there would be "no risk" no weakness of the flesh to impede his progress. Further, this just contradicts all of the stuff in the other gospels. The biggest thing was his hometown friends not recognizing him, they thought him just an ordinary boy they grow up with. He may have been well behaved and kind but these attributes are not things your neighbors tend to remember too deeply about you.
Steve Spence Jesus is the son of satan, and the satanists don't want to let that cat out of the bag, then you'd know you have been praising a false idol and the son of satan. He is the one that garaunteed your soul will go to hell because your sins are not paid for.
Good points. Another one is that the Gospel of John clearly claims that changing water to wine at the wedding feast was His first miracle, and He only did it because His mom asked Him to. In the canonized Gospels, the purpose of Jesus' miracles were to demonstrate God's character and glory in healing the broken world and calling it to redemption. The stories in these kinds of apocryphal 'Gospels' demonstrate a very different sort of character
@@jameswhitley4101 Just to agree with you I was reading this other day Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin.
There's a story in the Gospels of Thomas where a young Jesus is playing with a friend and angry he pushes him off a wall and he dies. Feeling grief at event Jesus resurrected his friend. I'm honestly upset that the stories of the childhood of Jesus were left out of the bible. I'd like to see more of Jesus's humanity.
Around the age of 14 Jesus built the very first Christian Church ... in England. It was on the slopes of the highest point on Bodmin Moor popularly known as Brown Willy. The actual place is known as Rough Tor (Rough being pronounced as Row, rhyming with now). This location was described by Blake (in Jerusalem) as the 'dark Satanic mills' - the dark hills of Bodmin Moor. Centuries later the original church fell into ruins and a chapel dedicated to St Michael was built on the spot, that later became one of the places called St Michael's Mount. The church was not at Glastonbury as tourist info states. The Virgin Mary's mother Anna lived in North Devon. It was there she became pregnant with Mary, but Mary was born in Nazareth. Mary returned to her mother's home after the crucifixion, and spent her last days there. A modern house now stands on the spot where Anna lived. She is still known as Saint Anne of Cornwall. The village was later for Centuries known as Mary's Combe, but later became Martin's Combe, and now Combe Martin. Just down the road from the house is a small wood where Mary used to go for walks. It is still known as Mary's Wood. Please use discrimination - there is a LOT of nonsense spoken about Jesus. After the crucifixion he spent some centuries travelling the world, and entered Central America, travelling up through the east coast, staying with various native tribes for weeks, months, and in some cases years. L. Taylor Hansen's book 'He walked the Americas' recounts the native American stories of Jesus' travels amongst them.
Reminds me of children's magazine 'Highlights,' and the recurring preachy cartoon series "Goofus and Gallant." As a kid I loved reading what bad boy Goofus did! Let's go Goofus! Uh ... er ... I mean ... Let's go Jesus!
Great knowledge and really appreciate your comments concerning the scriptures! I do have one request thou. Please stop showing Caesar Aborguise as Christ that’s very disrespectful. Thanks again for excellent work you are doing and sharing!
Also he was considered a man at 12 is when he can make decisions for himself. So he wasn’t disobeying by being in Gods house... it also alluded to his resurrection “didn’t you know I would be in my fathers house.”
Man, early Christians were so messed up! The Bible portrays Jesus as a man anointed by God to do miracles. But Greek concepts of demigods made the people think that's what Jesus must have been. They turned him into something he's not by importing their own mythologies into it Bible.
heh, it goes deeper than that. Humans are limited in their understandings of science but have an innate need to know how things work, even if they invent religions or other systems of control or guidance in an attempt to explain the not-understood. Then their own fear enforces it and has a propensity to prevent further understandings, especially if change of knowledge or leadership is involved.
I heard this story from about a birds from clay in Russia in my childhood from orthodox priest in school, so it seems it's part of orthodox tradition as well..
Dr. Henry, do you think that the antimony between Jesus and his teachers mirrors the strain between 2nd century Christians and Jews? Does Jesus' cursings of his peers and elders represent (increasingly Gentile) Christians' anger toward Jews not accepting Jesus as Messiah?
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Jesus killing his teacher is similar to the myths of Hercules as a child. Hercules kills one of his teachers when he makes a mistake in music class
RainintheBrain of
There is no truth in the fact that Christ was black being shown in the depictions of this video.
If you start off with a lie , the rest must also be a lie !
Until you tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth , you will never be taken seriously.
You talk about the Jesus doing things than goes against the teachings but in the book of Isaiah 7:14 , Isaiah says that his name shall be called Immanuel.
This was 700 plus years before the birth of Jesus.
Immanuel mean God with us.
Im/man/and/el
Immanuel
Humans having desire to deceive is of Satan.
The truth shall set you free
@@RainintheBrain
How do you know it is a myth ???
You are pushing falsehood as you decided to believe that it's a myth and you wabt other's to believe it is a myth does not make it a myth.
You find things hard to fit inside your belief and you discount it as a myth.
You might need to rethink your proof of actual and mtyhs.
@@NOTTHASAME Yikes
“First tell me what the beta and I will tell you what the alpha is”
Jesus be implying the teacher is a beta and flexing his dominance
🤣🤣
failed to control my beta self for a second n now there is tea on my screen...
Translation: Who's your daddy.
Flexing his dominus
He pulled a reverse card
Some of this infancy gospel is actually found in the Quran too. The part where Jesus makes birds come to life through clay is mentioned in the Quran.
Oh right, I forgot about that. That must have been a popular story to circulate around that much.
I thought it was in agreement that the story of Isa/Jesus in the Quran was plagiarized from Thomas' infancy gospel as well as the traditional gospel of Mark? Two out of the four Christian gospels do not mention Joseph at all, one of these is the gospel of Mark. The Quran appears to borrow exclusively from both under Mark including the clay bird story which doesn't appear anywhere else. Yet, the Quran ignores the fact that the narrative is expanded to include Joseph in the other two gospels. I believe a "version" was chosen to exclude Joseph and fabricate a demi-god narrative of Jesus' birth and childhood in the Quran because of Jewish and Islamic standards of their time. For Mary to elope without the consent of her parents, who would have arranged marriages, the bride and groom do not chose each other and to be traveling without a male relative, would call for stoning to death as punishment depending on which culture the story is being delivered to. This is ignored and a story is created to exclude Joseph because he is too controversial. Even the Catholic church to this day insists that Jesus' siblings that are mentioned in the bible are not his blood relatives and "must be from a previous marriage of Joseph's," despite no evidence that they are anything but full blood relatives.
In a subjective opinion, I still believe that childhood miracles were fabricated to legitimize a "miraculous virgin birth" that never took place, and that Jesus was conceived and born naturally out of wedlock (there wasn't a formal ceremony) and the couple fled to be counted in a census to avoid punishment. If everything was legitimate, there would be no need for the angel to visit Mary in person or Joseph in a dream. The visitations are assurance that God put the two together, not the parents, which they would have taken some time to consider and may not not even approve. At the time, telling people an angel visited would not be taken seriously. This again, trying to make him sound closer to Heracles type legends to make for easier conversion as what was done with the "blood sacrifice" on the cross. Childhood miracles try to give "evidence" that his birth and as a baby, he was "different" and in turn, legitimizing Mary without Jospeh. Cultural context in shaping the radical difference between texts must be considered when examining such anomalous descriptions that are not found with other authors.
Do you know that back then being a virgin was the equivalent of not being married.
+Sarah:The Jesus story of the Quran was not plagiarized from any sources. There are a lot of differences, except for the clay birds miracles and Jesus spoke as an infant (the Quran says he was the servant, not son of God). They may be similar but not the same.
Furthermore, the Quran denies the divinity and the crucifiction of Jesus Christ. Instead, he was a human messenger only sent to the Children of Israel. He preached to ONE true God as in the first of the 10 Commandment says. And there is a chapter named Mary, an honor not even found in the Bible. She is honored and respected, chosen as the woman above all nation. Therefore, Muhammad could not have plagiarized stories from other sources, he was given revelation of Quran directly from Allah God Almighty.
Sarah Harris What would it mean to you personally if Jesus is the Son of God, and had the miraculous birth the Bible describes?
If the Gospel of Thomas was real and canon, it woulda been odd if people who knew Jesus said instead of 'Is that the son of the carpenter, Joseph' but 'Isn't that the kid who killed his teacher'
He woulda been Chucky Jesus
I would think that would be the case unless Joseph was so infamous that his son murdering a teacher paled in comparison.
If if if
Now THIS is the creativity I'm looking for in my Bible fanfiction
Me too
Bible itself is all fiction
@@zechreverse6104 and all sorts of fiction has fanfiction
joseph pulling jesus ears in the gospel is funny after what he did.
Not a fan of Iulius exclusus e coelis?
“Okay Jesus, today I will show you the way to make a chair.”
“Oh father, do you not know I AM THE WAY.”
This is the Way.
Nazareth, your famous son should have stayed a great unknown
Like his father carving wood He'd have made good.
Tables, chairs, and oaken chests would have suited Jesus best.
He'd have caused nobody harm; no one alarm.
yOu kNoW thE WaE
Jesus was the Blemishless Lamb, He did not sin ..
if you bealve he Sined, you Blinded By sin
These demons are Masters at Deception
From what I’ve seen of this channel, I’m really glad it doesn’t shoot views down and put down people of different religions
I purposely try to maintain a neutral stance.
"First tell me what is beta, and I can tell you what alpha is."
"I'm trying to teach you the Alphabet, not have a theological discussion!"
It’s the alpha and the omega simply letters with male or female energy
Beta mean son in urdu and hindhi
Alpha bet(a)!!!!!
@@HS-yr6sw Alpha is "a" and Bet(a) is "b". They literally called the alphabet the AB's (versus our ABC's). Ha
Alephbet
This is so funny to me. The way when the teacher was trying to get him to read the alphabet he just made some snappy comeback and killed her on the spot is absolutely hilarious and completely out of left field. These ancient authors had no chill!
The teacher was a he
Jesus was the Blemishless Lamb, He did not sin ..
if you bealve he Sined, you Blinded By sin
These demons are Masters at Deception
@@MeiGunner Where in my comment did I say that. I said the story was funny, never said I believed it was true.
@@introspectiver1787 my bad, I imagined the teacher was a woman for some reason lol
thanks.. now I want an anime about kid Jesus and a sequel about teen Jesus!
Reminds me of the stories of the childhood of Lord Krishna, when he performs amazing and miraculous feats, yet people insist on treating him like a regular child.
That's crazy lol, aren't all children Krishna inside? We should be mindful!
@@lucanaut not literally
"Just imagine if you gave the power of a god to a school boy" - Avatar the Last Airbender?
Smallville
Twilight Zone the Movie - Segment 3 ("It's a Good Life")
@@kutzcd I was thinking of the original show episode, of which the movie segment is a remake. It's the most obvious comparison, really. In fact it's so close in some ways that I wonder if Bixby was inspired by reading of the Thomas text.
the last airbender was a good boay
“How many times do I have to tell you to quit making sparrows out of clay......on the Sabbath!!!?”
How has no one made a movie out of this yet?
Monty python missed that one
KEN BEE
The Young Messiah. It’s a 2016 movie about Jesus in his childhood years through his adult life. Some of the plot of the story was taken from the Apocryphal gospel of Thomas.
They have it's called brightburn lol
He learned his lesson when Ozzy came over and bite the head off one of the sparrows. It was known from then on as Black Sabbath!
It would be considered heretical.
Jesus already knew beta because "He is the ALPHA and the OMEGA".
So he skipped beta.
@@punkwrestle He already knew the whole alphabet, so yes he skip beta, gamma.....psi, omega.
Jesus was the ultimate chad than your average dumb school jocks.
Omega? So he is a boy that can become pregnant by sleeping with other boys?
Jesus is the ultimate Based Chad but he also knows how it feels to be the weakest.
The band name "Teenage Jesus and the Jerks" suddenly makes a lot of sense now
Sounds like an edgy teenager's dream. Knows more than the teachers, fights bullies and tries to make simple things like the alphabet be some sort of super-deep crap.
So basically Harry Potter?
I think u 2. Mortals of flesh n dust to dust forget who Jesus really was n still is the son of God "For my thought r not ur thoughts, neither r ur ways my ways declares the Lord" IS 55:8. Dont mess with the Lord he is more than we can comprehand. Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard what God has for those who love Him💖
@@dorismarin5456 Amen may our lord keep you strong in faith I love Christ Jesus so much, hhe has done so much in my life when I was blind I did not see, when he open my eyes I started seeing him when before I did not, please who ever that is reading this trust me and read the bible you have nothing to loose, satan wants everyone away from the bible, but if you belive that Jesus is the son of God and that God raised him after 3 days confess it with your moulth and trust in him, and he will guide you into the way. In the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit
The cultural context of “the alphabet” being “super deep crap”, is important here. As gematria, both Greek, and Hebrew, were a very common practice in first century Judea.
666, “the number of a man”, “for those with eyes to see”, in book attributed to John Of Patmos, is another coded reference to convey a hidden and dangerous political message.
There is a numerical value for each letter, in both systems respectively. In the case of 666 or 616 in the other translation, you still get the name Caesar Nero, or Kaiser Neron. (Nrwn Qsr)
But yeah, it’s full of esoteric parable, but looks like fan fiction. Is... lol
Considering at the time mysticism around the secret meanings of Hebrew and Greek alphabets was a common practice, I'd say the discussion is relevant.
To be honest, Jesus's attitude is the same in the canonical Bible, when he curses the fig tree for not having fruits. It's pretty consistent.
technically yeah, as an adult he's not as short tempered but if you mess with him in the wrong time you're gonna die
Yeah but thats a tree.
The fig tree being a symbol of Israel found throughout the Bible. As in, looking like you bear fruit when you do not doesn’t please god.
The Night Watcher exactly. It’s symbolism to represents appearance of obedience (green leaves without fruit)
Which verse?
Just read the whole thing. You fail to mention the only person that stayed dead that Christ killed was the final teacher that hit him. He healed all others. The first boy withered. Did not die. He also explains why he did what he did. Interesting how his methods changed in the end. I suspect there are much deeper meanings to his actions that you are giving credit for....
Lies
@jeff jones you have forgotten that he left for 40 days and was tempted by Satan . If he already had powers there would be no reason to tempt him
Also he says that all his miracles were done cuz his father did it not him ." I Am" is the truth the light the way ."I Am" is the King of all Kings God of all God's.
@jeff jones A Jew is not what you think a Jew is. There were three major sects calling themselves. Jews (Just like we have many denominations of christians) The fact is, none of the three sects were actually Jews because they had altered the original Jewish way and Laws of the Creator.
See; Revelation 3:9 The remnant of the original Jews were the sect of the nazarenes of which Yahshua was of. The first followers of Yahshua called themselves Nazarenes and followers of the way. As in I am the way the truth... "
Also the saying; "Eye for an eye." was Moses laws not the creator.
The Torah did state ; "However men should treat you, treat them the same way, for it is the Law and the prophets."
Can anyone tell what is the source of this Thomas information? And is he the same Thomas among the 12 postles? Was he an eye witness?
Did he at least live during Jesus time?
Untill answering all above questions, the whole story is a big lie
@@soskalovesgod9477 If you cannot find the answers yourself, then this will remain "A big Lie" to you. "My sheep will hear my voice."
This one will make religious fanatics like you blow a blood vessel, The Savior's name is Yahshua not Jesus/Jzeus. Now go find salvation, if you can.
I would like to hear your perspective on other sources about the early life of Jesus, such as the Arabic Infancy Gospel, and accounts of Jesus living in India and even in Japan. Oddly, I understand there are local claims in India and Japan that Jesus somehow landed there after the crucifixion.
My theory, with absolutely no evidence, is that when Jesus was 12 and found teaching the rabbis he was taken into the Essene community. No proof, just speculation.
Good speculation. He was Essene after all.
Ah yes, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas, the first fanfiction.
@William Burns why not go further and say that all the gospel were fan fiction.....because OFCOURSE you would say its fan fiction, to separate it from the rest. This is picking and choosing. (1 point atheist)
The whole Bible is corrupted
@William Burns Where is your source?
@@paulvigil6757 Cite one thing, atheist.
@@Angelotube5000 just because he thinks the bible is corrupted doesn't mean has an atheist. in fact disputes about the composition and interpretation of the bible, what should be canon, etc. have been done since its foundation, and we have hundreds of different denominations because of it.
what would be your definition of corrupted if someone applied that to the bible.
When you realize jesus can end a life just by speaking.
Well He spoke the universe into existence through His Word, so it makes sense He could end it by speaking too.
He's suposs to win the battle of armagedon in that way
Now I know where they got the idea for "Denis the Menace" TV series.
Watching this reminded me of that part in the book The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe where Tumnus told Lucy Aslan is not a tamed Lion.
Teen Jesus is savage
Julio JA1 i
Brian White I read it and he restored what he did later on
Lol
Literally gohan
There is a folk song 'bitter withy' which has the same theme. I would hope it is not true!
Brings a new meaning to the teen WWJD bracelets....
Thank you for speaking about all of these fascinating texts! I just would like you to know that you superb work here on TH-cam has aided me in planning to return to my school to finish my masters in Religious studies and possibly even go on for my PhD. Very exciting! Thank you.
I just read it and saw he restored all the things. He Evan revived a boy who fell from a roof and fell and when the boy awake he called Jesus Lord. Amaixing stuff
Infancy gospel of Thomas...😑😑
It's in the name of the video...
I think that was in Marvel Comics #666
I like the idea that Jesus had to LEARN how to be kind. Makes him a more compelling character in general as it implies that we can all learn to be kind.
So basically Jesus’s childhood is like Hercules
Or Chucky.
It's not uncommon for outlying texts to borrow common theological stories to give context.
You mean Heracles if you talking sbout the Greek variation, Hercules is the Roman hero.
I was thinking Hermes
Y a a k o v They are both the same guy.
Nowhere at all on TH-cam is anyone simply reading this short text, not even with computer voice. It is completely and utterly awesome badass, and takes about 15 minutes. Stop and go read it.
Recording a dramatic reading is SUCH a good idea.
THIS IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!! this has got to be made into a movie.
I'm happy to see at last a serious analysis of this gospel. Many christians believe that it's just pure nonsense but the way I understood the text is that is in fact a deep thought on the nature of the son of God. As you implied, during his childhood Jesus is little more than a brat with super powers. Thus, having powers over life and death is not enough to be the true son of God : it is when Jesus realizes the responsability that comes with this power and decides to use it for the good of others that he really becomes the son of God. Overall, a very interesting narration on the nature of power and its wielder.
Thanks for the feedback. I do think most people make fun of this text instead of trying to figure out what it is trying to say.
Karakta you call this "serious analysis"?
Karakta to be fair, Gnostic texts and thr Gospel of Thomas is hilarious. #Barbelo
Problem is Jesus is sinless and brats are not. Good reason why this gospel is BS.
So basically Jesus is Spider-man
Kidding XD
Thomas seems to tell the truth more so than any of the other disciples doubting Thomas just for example it was talking about not believing Thomas rather than Thomas not believing, I like this video and I like this gospel sounds more honest
Definitely going to read the link in the description. I have to admit I surprised myself with how shocked (and how immediate the shock was) at a so-called gospel account describing Jesus as killing not just someone, but multiple someones, and teachers and fellow children at that. I guess growing up with these stories of Jesus in scripture makes it really hard to imagine him killing anyone, and I didn't realize how fully I had internalized that idea as unthinkable.
Didn't child Jesus push his friend of he rooftop then brought him back to life. Have u ever heard that story?
Well he had to learn how to fly some day!
he didn't wanna bring him back to life... he was like "no i didn't push my friend!! ayyo Zeno i didn't push you right?" and Zeno got up and was like "yea man that totally didn't happen."
No doubt that Jesus was a fascinating person. It doesn't matter how much ancient text reaffirm or contradict one another, they all have something in common: Jesus wasn't your average human, and he inspired many people to write some incredible text.
Seems like this Jesus would have no trouble handling a few Roman guards, leading to the conclusion Jesus planned on dying on the cross
Yuuuup
bruh he said he will die
He even said he can call upon the angels and they could help him if he wanted but he did not
'He's not a Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.'
JJBushfan Wrong! Jesus has the power to take life and he has the power to give life❤️🕊
@@Aluminium11 My word, what a lot I could say about this. But never mind. Let's keep it simple and suggest that you probably missed the joke. I assume you're not familiar with Monty Python's Life of Brian.
"He is a very Naughty Boy" is a innocent joke with love BUT "he is not the Messiah" is NO JOKE. 🙂
@@Aluminium11 Have you ever read the book of Judas?
Scott Louis Smith Of course I have. However the book of Judas is an apokryphal text.
I remember somewhere in the New Testament Jesus had a burst of rage against a fig three and cursed him to wither on the spot. So the Gospel of Thomas might be true.
I read the Gospel of Thomas and Jesus wasnt only killing people he was also healing his friend and resurrecting people that accidentally died around him. For what I understand Jesus used his divine powers against people that were unnecessarily mean towards Him. I didnt feel like he was walking around killing people.
Need longer more detailed videos in this format. They’re good.
I think many of these questions are what intrigued gnostics. The whole idea of esoteric or special knowledge (codes, special handshakes, secret word, those type of things) are indicative of the essential gnostic background of this story and, of course, the reason no one ever thought of including it in the gospel.
I actually enjoyed reading it. Also like how it ended. I wonder is this the only Gospel that talks about his childhood in such a way.
If this was true then Jesus would have been famous all over the place he walked in. He wouldn't have been stranger to many by the time he started preaching. You can see early on his work people asking themselves as "isn't this Jesus the son of Joseph" while making reference to his profession. He was just a normal boy. Don't forget that miracles were at the centre of every human race so is today. That never happened. Plus no reference s ever made in the other gospels about his childhood meaning there was nothing serious to include. He was basically not known until He started his job He was asigned by his Father. One thing we miss here is the fact that when the bible was being written others wrote other stuff too. Things like secular writings, myths and so on were being written at the same time. Not every thing ancient should be linked to Christianity. Not everyone was Christian or religious back then just like today.
there is so much obvious failed apologetic in that I dont even know where to begin. No, Jesus didnt wither a young boy with a touch. and no, he didnt walk on water. no, he didnt raise anyone from the dead. and no, jesus didnt rise from his tomb. jesus wasnt a god. he was a jew who lived and died a natural life. Romans crucified him and left his body to rot on the cross for carrion birds. Because that was what the Romans did as a message to other political insurrectionists.
Jews were familiar with miracles so that didn't amaze a lot of them and I'm pretty amazed how they didn't accept him as the messiah.
@jesse merrill God doesn't command people to his will?
The Qur’an states Jesus spoke as a baby also
It’s not that unbelievable to me because in those days a woman giving birth outside of marriage would have been killed. Thats apparently when Jesus spoke
This is super interesting thanks for making this
Great analysis, man! It really got me thinking that the first Christians would reject anything that could remind of Roman nobility. Classical education would certainly be a symbol of Roman nobility.
Hellenization of Christianity required the modification of the reality of Christ into fantasy.
true
So just how deep does that rabbit hole go?
Hi, I've read all the comments concerning this subject, and I see that the commentators are pretty well read and very accurate with whatever information they've gathered from various modes, though if you look at things written in olden days by various authors it's all about how they perceived the events in accordance to their mindsets, hence the debate on what was penned down and what is fact may not be consistent. The only way is to appeal to your inner self or what we call is the conscience which I feel is far more ancient than the books/ sources we read,so a perfect being pre-existing time comes into a physical realm there's bound to be incompatibility and for that reason they crucified lord Jesus Christ and to their surprise resurrection was something they couldn't fathom... regards.
You mean this gospel was the original "Kid Einstein schools atheist teacher" story? Like those stories what end with "that kids name? Albert Einstein!"
"you can be my father, but you will never be my daddy."
-- Jesus (probably).
Seems likely that Jesus was raised in Egypt and that the infancy gospel likely completely fictitious.
Ya, close to Assiut and certainly been influenced or teached by Egyptian priests. Making living creatures out of clay, god Khnoum or Ptah alike.
@@pascalheimbach861 agreed. There seems to be a similar storytelling approach when you compare tales from the papyrus regarding the exploits of the Priest of Ptah to the prophets of the bible.
Lol this one had me cracking up! " killing school boys and teachers..," 😆😅🤣
"This would have struck an ancient audience as very weird."
I'm pretty sure this strikes a modern audience as very weird too.
Child Jesus to the teacher: You're a bad man, you're a very bad man!!
"It's a Good Life" from "The Twilight Zone", so, what else have you got.
I was about to say the same thing.Jesus, stop turning Joseph into a jack in the box or I’m going to take your gold silver and myrrh for an entire month.
2:24 for a five year old Jesus was very eloquent
Alarm bells started ringing when he kept referencing jesus with school boys and teachers like there was schools back then. This gospel sounds super fishy.
Ghost Emblem I was thinking the same thing. Why would a poor Jew boy attend school? But I think it might be more of a reference to going to temple and listening to scripture?
At the time, boys went to the temple and rabbis would teach them about scriptures and stuff. I think that's what "Thomas" was referring to
Regularly-scheduled schooling in a classroom with a contracted teacher was a well known fact of classical antiquity, especially in towns and cities around the eastern Mediterranean (including towns/villages along the Nile). Note that schools and schoolteachers in classical antiquity were a feature of urban life, but not rural life, where most of the population lived and worked. In classical antiquity, literacy and schooling were a mark of an urban upbringing considered superior to rural life.
If he would of been rich maybe but its not the case obviously fake was written in 100+ and used by gnostic
I love what you are doing,i like the way you do it. I have MTS degree from Perkins school of theology,(SMU). I studied classical Greek as my undergrad language, I am on the page of most of it. I really like your approach.
I love the way he says Jesus!
I was scrolling until I found someone to mention this, to verify I'm not the only one 😂
Thank you for making this video. I may have lots of questions for you in the future.
Actually Jesus was a threat to the Jewish way of life under Mosaic Law. His death symbolizing the end of the Mosaic Law and the beginning of Roman Christianity. This is why Jesus is portrayed as winning against his father and the Pharisees
I remember reading that document decades ago... I remember reading about how the child Jesus causing a boy too go blind because that boy bumped into Him. I stopped reading that book. Not because I believed in Jesus, but because I saw the evil in the child Jesus' activities. That told me that the child Jesus in those stories was a human, not a God. Merely a powerfully enlightened human. Yet as a child, had a lot to learn in a short period of time...
Only the thief comes to steal, kill and destroy ,
I have come to give you life and in abundance
John 10:10
@William Burns The Dark Age is a myth
The video is only 6:36
This makes me love Jesus even more
I just found your channel and love how you present these ancient non-canon works in a nuanced way. I do wonder, though, if the first instance was truly meant to be interpreted as "killed", because "withered" seems very vague. When I first read it, I assumed that the kid was either rendered sterile, physically weakened, or both.
These stories are really interesting! Especially since they don’t seem consistent with the canonical NT texts. Jesus turning water into wine at Canna (when he was an adult) is considered his first miracle according to the canonical gospels. Also, Jesus killing people seems inconsistent with the “he who lives by the sword dies by the sword” quote.
How was the infancy gospel received among early Christians? What was the general consensus on it?
Well, presumably some Christians really liked it since it was circulated around enough to end up in Syriac, Greek, and Latin manuscripts. Since copying and translating was difficult back then (not too many skilled, literate scribes), they would have done this only if they found the text valuable. Having said that, some Christian authorities such as Irenaeus come out pretty early saying that this text is heretical. I believe Irenaeus mentions it in Adversus Haeresis 1.20.1
I wonder if it influenced the closing of schools. Education seemed to drop off unless it was by the Church. I would suspect a few followed his example and killed teachers in real life.
I have heard a little bit about this. It's very interesting, and disappointing, that so much of the writings were not included in teachings. I like the Tatooine picture on your wall! Made me smile!
who taught Jesus to walk who taught Jesus to walk who taught him to read and write who taught him the gospel who taught him to be a carpenter how did he know he was born of a virgin was he born knowing all things maybe his mother and farther had something to do with these things
the way they make jesus sound reminds me of how aang in avatar is always chilling out and doing mischief while being the chosen one
I mean to be fair, imagine if you had "gods powers" (or at least supernatural understanding) throughout your childhood. All those bullies you would have killed (although honestly I think this is more metaphorical because they still had laws and honor back then)
I love little Jesus, he kind of represents, at least to me, the angry, exhausted and frustrated voice of youth everywhere by human storytelling, particularly in education and the theme of age and knowledge. Thank you little Jesus !!!
So he really learnt during his life to control his temper.
I mean if this was a true Gospel, then let's remember....he was 5 doing all this
Regarding the childhood of Jesus......When I was visiting Egypt I was surprised to find that the Coptic church there had a narrative telling the travels of Jesus throughout Egypt while living there as a child. Do you know of any back up to this story or was it developed later as an incentive for pilgrimages etc.
Will you please do a vid on the Syriac Infancy Gospel?
As a SAHM that raised 2 boys Gospel of Thomas gave me a new respect for Mary.
"Jesus is the one that schools the teachers"
*mic drop*
Wow,, no wonder the church left his stuff out they didn't want to make Jesus look bad LOL I love your site.. First time I seen a video I subscribed you appear to be very unbiased and I like that
Stories from the Infancy Gospel of Thomas appear in the Qur'an, which is interesting because Mohammad is said to have studied eith Syriac christians before forming his own community in Medina.
Amr Abuellil wa alaikum salaam! The ability to speak as a baby is one of the things mentioned in versions of the IGJ. I know the prophet (sws) was illiterate, but that wouldn't have stopped him from speaking to others. Also, the cave in which he went to meditate may have contained a cache of scrolls, similar to the one at Qumran, which he could then have taken to learned men to have read.
Gerard Miller that is really amazing, why would u go so far in thinking tge caves of arabia were some sort of scroll libraries? In a desert were maybe only one in a million could read, what would bring those scrolls all this way fron jerushalem? And u should consider the thinking of the arabs at that time when u consider "speaking" to others might inlight them about religion, they actually looked down to others because they thought they were the guardians of Ibrahim's religion.
And Allah swt mentioned this argument of yoyrs in the Quran : " We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear." S16V103
*btw, English is my 3rd lang. Sorry :)
MrRedbleu infancy Gospel of Thomas is more credible than all the books written by Paul. It didn’t take Paul anything to change Christianity entirely. Jesus(pbuh) clearly wasted his time preaching.
ايوه نعم
Did't Mohammad have a cousin or some thing that was a christian?
Well that’s irrelevant cause a Arabic bible hadn’t been translated till after Muhammed had died so maybe you need to do some better research and you’ll find the truth brother, peace be with you
It seems like heresy because the creation event in Genesis was the last time God created anything. He was finished it says on the 6th day and rested the 7th.
Someone needs to make a dark comedy about Jesus's childhood.
The guys who made What We Do In The Shadows would be perfect for this.
Someone did make a comedy about the childhood of Jesus, they're called the Gnostics and they wrote the "gnostic gospels" they are a joke. Only it's really not all that funny.
that would be blasphemy.
Why would anyone be making fun of something we don’t know if that relates to our Lord and Savior? Why risk to be condemned for eternity? What gain would you obtain from it besides the praise of the world and yet lose your soul at the end? Are you not afraid of GOD’s power and might?! Would you like someone to make mockery of your mother or father? And would you find it funny?
We out to love and respect and fear and honor our Lord and Savior JesusChrist.
Peace be with you, in JesusChrist, Amen.
This gospel makes Jesus sound like a Rick and Morty fan. "You have to have a very high IQ to understand young Jesus"
Most of these extra-biblical accounts fail in one primary area in attempting to answer every question and filling in every gap. They just create more problems mainly making the text too tied too closely the age and time the texts were written. The other issue is that all human beings have to learn. Jesus's knowledge, wisdom, and power cannot be instantaneous, and not only because he was God but also the other reality he was "very much" man. Jesus cannot claim "secret" knowledge. He had to learn from some human teacher, learn to talk, learn to read the Tora like every other Jewish boy. Else this would disqualify him from being the human savor of the world, it would just be God going on the cross there would be "no risk" no weakness of the flesh to impede his progress. Further, this just contradicts all of the stuff in the other gospels. The biggest thing was his hometown friends not recognizing him, they thought him just an ordinary boy they grow up with. He may have been well behaved and kind but these attributes are not things your neighbors tend to remember too deeply about you.
Steve Spence Jesus is the son of satan, and the satanists don't want to let that cat out of the bag, then you'd know you have been praising a false idol and the son of satan. He is the one that garaunteed your soul will go to hell because your sins are not paid for.
@Steve Good point. If Jesus had been behaving like a character from a Steven King story, local people would really have remembered Him.
Good points. Another one is that the Gospel of John clearly claims that changing water to wine at the wedding feast was His first miracle, and He only did it because His mom asked Him to. In the canonized Gospels, the purpose of Jesus' miracles were to demonstrate God's character and glory in healing the broken world and calling it to redemption. The stories in these kinds of apocryphal 'Gospels' demonstrate a very different sort of character
@@jameswhitley4101 Just to agree with you I was reading this other day Heb 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin.
I have a whole discussion the I called the power of ordinariness
There's a story in the Gospels of Thomas where a young Jesus is playing with a friend and angry he pushes him off a wall and he dies. Feeling grief at event Jesus resurrected his friend.
I'm honestly upset that the stories of the childhood of Jesus were left out of the bible. I'd like to see more of Jesus's humanity.
If an angel explained the whole situation to Joseph and Mary at conception….. why are they confused as to who/what he is?
They were probably not listening.
I think child Jesus is a metaphor for the old testament God.
So is the Infancy Gospel of Thomas the basis for the "Twilight Zone" episode "It's A Good Life"?
That was my immediate thought as well. The similarities are strong.
Around the age of 14 Jesus built the very first Christian Church ... in England. It was on the slopes of the highest point on Bodmin Moor popularly known as Brown Willy. The actual place is known as Rough Tor (Rough being pronounced as Row, rhyming with now). This location was described by Blake (in Jerusalem) as the 'dark Satanic mills' - the dark hills of Bodmin Moor. Centuries later the original church fell into ruins and a chapel dedicated to St Michael was built on the spot, that later became one of the places called St Michael's Mount. The church was not at Glastonbury as tourist info states. The Virgin Mary's mother Anna lived in North Devon. It was there she became pregnant with Mary, but Mary was born in Nazareth. Mary returned to her mother's home after the crucifixion, and spent her last days there. A modern house now stands on the spot where Anna lived. She is still known as Saint Anne of Cornwall. The village was later for Centuries known as Mary's Combe, but later became Martin's Combe, and now Combe Martin. Just down the road from the house is a small wood where Mary used to go for walks. It is still known as Mary's Wood. Please use discrimination - there is a LOT of nonsense spoken about Jesus. After the crucifixion he spent some centuries travelling the world, and entered Central America, travelling up through the east coast, staying with various native tribes for weeks, months, and in some cases years. L. Taylor Hansen's book 'He walked the Americas' recounts the native American stories of Jesus' travels amongst them.
So it should be called:
Jesus son of Joseph's Bizarre Adventures
That's brilliant!
I mean his actual name equates to the modern name of Joshua so...
Reminds me of children's magazine 'Highlights,' and the recurring preachy cartoon series "Goofus and Gallant."
As a kid I loved reading what bad boy Goofus did!
Let's go Goofus! Uh ... er ... I mean ... Let's go Jesus!
Ah, those wild and wacky Gnostics.
He just appeared as a adult hu
Thomas's writings made for good episodes of *The Twilight Zone*, but not so much the gospels
Great knowledge and really appreciate your comments concerning the scriptures! I do have one request thou. Please stop showing Caesar Aborguise as Christ that’s very disrespectful. Thanks again for excellent work you are doing and sharing!
So...
When does the sitcom of the gospel of Thomas come out?
Fredy Sansom 😂 😂
I like the episode with the sparrows.
The uproar in certain Christian circles would be hilarious to watch! Remember Scorsese's Last Temptation of Christ and Mel Gibson's Passion?
Also he was considered a man at 12 is when he can make decisions for himself. So he wasn’t disobeying by being in Gods house... it also alluded to his resurrection “didn’t you know I would be in my fathers house.”
Man, early Christians were so messed up! The Bible portrays Jesus as a man anointed by God to do miracles. But Greek concepts of demigods made the people think that's what Jesus must have been. They turned him into something he's not by importing their own mythologies into it Bible.
heh, it goes deeper than that. Humans are limited in their understandings of science but have an innate need to know how things work, even if they invent religions or other systems of control or guidance in an attempt to explain the not-understood. Then their own fear enforces it and has a propensity to prevent further understandings, especially if change of knowledge or leadership is involved.
The one who is fully God and fully man
Yep they turned him from a fictional character into someone that they believe was real.
I heard this story from about a birds from clay in Russia in my childhood from orthodox priest in school, so it seems it's part of orthodox tradition as well..
So Teen Jesus would be like Light Yagami Kira.
Dr. Henry, do you think that the antimony between Jesus and his teachers mirrors the strain between 2nd century Christians and Jews? Does Jesus' cursings of his peers and elders represent (increasingly Gentile) Christians' anger toward Jews not accepting Jesus as Messiah?