I guess I'm just old school but I've shot the same fixed blade broadhead for over 40 years and it just works so I keep using it. Always great videos Remi. Love watching.
Interesting choice for a close-range shot. I see the argument of the massive blood loss it could create. When I used mechanical broadheads, it was primarily for longer distances because they should fly like field points. However, since my fixed blades now fly just as well, I prefer using fixed blades exclusively. It's not the first time I've heard stories about losing a deer due to mechanical broadheads misbehaving. I appreciate the insights shared here, and it's always valuable to hear different experiences in the field.
What a fabulous adventure. We all live and learn while having fun. Most people wouldn't work so hard for a paycheck. You do it for fun and a bonus for meat and hunting with family. Great video.
Absolutely had the same thing happen to me with mechanical broad head. I have had many mechanical broad heads work but after that failure I stopped using them. I only use 2 blade single bevel because they will not fail. I put a lot of time,energy and money into finding and getting a shot at mature bucks to take a chance on a broad head failure.
Not only that but so many more angles can be shot ethically with the single bevel over a mechanical. Never understand why guys want that little more room for error back over having more shot opportunities
That mechanical failed because of the steep angle. One side opened first and it basically turns into a hinge. Same thing would happen on a hard 1/4 away. Fixed is the way to go.
Great point. I've always preferred fixed blades, but this story and your explanation has me saying "never" on the mechanicals. At least not for big game.
@@stabil-eyes My thought process has always been what works and requires no additional steps or thoughts. I also run a 3 pin slider. I never have to adjust range unless I am taking a follow up at long distance. I wouldn't recommend mechanicals for Western hunting. If you are in a low tree stand it's probably fine because you can control how steep the shot is. When you don't know what range, angle ect a bull elk will come its best to take the thinking out of the equation.
I totally agree with this statement. This is the reason I would have chosen a fixed blade. No need for a field point accuracy at that distance, just hit the mark with something that will get the job done.
@veryfastride If your bow is tuned and you are using a broadhead to set your pins field point accuracy is not a thing. There is 4" of difference from my field tips to my montec g5s at 100 but I still use a broadhead to adjust my pins 2 months before season. The rest of the year I shoot field points to save wear and tear on my targets.
Super eye opening with your situation that occurred, that’s a rough spot to be in especially after making that kind of stalk. I made the switch to fixed blades a couple years back for that exact fear in mind of what could happen if the mechanical head fails, had one mechanical broadhead not deploy all the way on a javelina for me and that was it. Fixed blades all the way brotha!
Likely an over the top style broadhead. I shot a buck in Arkansas with a Shwacker broadhead at about 30 yards. In my eyes I pinwheeled the buck. Bottom 1/3 of the body 3” aft of the shoulder. My 505gr arrow traveling 270fps penetrated maybe 3.5”. The buck took off on a dead run and the arrow fell out after 3-4 bounds. Minimal blood, no evidence of bone or a hard impact on the tip. After really studying the way the broadhead opens the first thing I realized was one of the early stages of the heads deployment creates a pitchfork. Point/tip at 0 degrees and both blades at about 10 degrees. This position would obviously happen early in the deployment cycle. My only thought is the buck was mid-step with his impact side front leg barring weight and fully extended aft. This made the shoulder muscles tense and tight, coupled with hide fur and the pitchfork configuration of the broadhead it caused the head to hang up and dissipate the kinetic energy over a wider area like a judo point. Anything forked is designed to grab, not penetrate. So I personally won’t ever shoot another broadhead that doesn’t maintain an aerodynamic profile the entire deployment cycle. Not sure if that is or is similar to what you used but that’s my experience.
I used Rage Hypodermic for years. I drew a once in a lifetime moose tag in Wy last year. I decided to go to a Ramcat for the hunt. This fix blade broadhead flies perfect to field points, penetrated thru the moose and made me a believer. Try it!
@@bobtosi9346 No head flies completely true to field points, even small mechanicals. That said you can get a bow tuned well enough to shoot most broadheads well
I’d like to know what broadhead. I had a similar issue with a sevr on a whitetail. I got him the next day and it had stopped on a rib. I don’t use mechanicals anymore.
There's something going on here besides broadheads choice. What was your arrow weight, insert/broadheads weight, bow poundage, and distance from target?
@@BrandonGodfrey-yi7tcdude remi shoots 75-80 pounds with a ~550 grain arrow and has a tuned bow. The mechanical failed period. Nothing else matters but the broadhead failed miserably. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with a fixed blade
@@bowdude33 Does he still shoot that high after his injury? Remi suggested that perhaps the broadhead didn't open up, which makes no since because if that was the case, it should have penetrated much farther and essentially been a field tip. But regardless, I was referencing the Sevr mentioned in the comments stopping on a rib. The world of mechanical broadheads is vast in preformance capabilities. And there are only one or maybe two that I really would trust, Sevr being the top. Lack of penetration on mechanicals is an issue because of wide cuts slowing the arrow down (there are other issues with them such as failure to open, etc.) But it makes no since that a properly sharp broadhead of any kind would be the main cause of an arrow stopping THAT short in an animal.
This has been a problem with Sevr specifically. No one wants to admit it either and instead just say they wont use expandables anymore but when the bowmars were pushing the sevr broadheads they had a few videos where all their shots show zero penetration and one of a sevr bouncing off a TURKEY at 30 yards.
Sevr is the shit 16 dead bucks with the 2.1 and 2.0. Have I wounded deer ? Yes 2 deer but it sure was not the SEVR. All shot placement. SEVRs don’t really fail but hey whatever make you guys feeling better on loosing deer. Shoot a 100lb bow and 800grain arrow with a fixed iron will and let’s see what the story is when the deer runs off. And it will eventually happen because no set up is perfect and every set up has its cons. In the case of sevrs they don’t penetrate the best but that’s why I pull high poundage and shoot a high energy set up and make sure to tuck the arrow where it needs to be put. Got a pass through in 2022 at 97 yards on a quartering away buck all with 425grain 4mm axis out of Mathews v3 #77lbs @27.5dl so there’s some data for those who care to know. Good luck to you all on finding your deer this year!
Hey Remi, you asked for comment, so…. This is Ben Bailey. My wife and I hunted bear at your lodge in southwestern MT. Thanks for the great time. As for mechanicals? I’d rather try to kill a dear with a camera lens than put one of those on the tip of an arrow. The supposed advantages are purely BS. I’ve never seen a fixed blade “plane” like it was a wing, but I’ve put a lot of them through flesh and bone both traditionally and with a compound. I think what you ran into was the angle problem with mechanicals. Given an obtuse angle of entry, they don’t penetrate well, the mechanism hangs up and you get to watch the failure. Truly disappointing after you made such an excellent stalk in that heat and waited out your opportunity. Good luck in all things and hello to your Dad.
Hey man, last year, I shot at a Blacktail buck in Oregon with a mechanical broadhead and had the same sort of experience. He was 7 yards from me and put it right behind his shoulder and hit right, where I was aiming, and it just stopped and only penetrated about 6” so I never recovered him. Needless to say I’ve switched back to fixed blades.
I’ve only had this happen once when an outsert snapped on a deer and it wasn’t the heads fault. It was actually a fixed head not a mechanical. I wish there was more details given unless I missed it.
Had a similar thing happen with a whitetail down from a tree stand at 15yds with a NAP kill zone broadhead, switched to Rage after that and never had an issue.
Yeah this last rut I was a 5m on a nice fallow buck. Shot it with grim reaper which usually work but this time a bigger cutting diameter the 13/4 blade razor cut. Perfect shot but got about an inch of penetration. Two things might of happened, at such close distance it hadn’t built enough kinetic energy to deploy properly or the larger blades just didn’t penetrate through fur, skin and ribs. Heartbreaking 💔
My Buck and bull from 2023 I had the same thing happen. I was lucky enough to get more than one arrow in both animals, and unfortunately I had more than one mechanical broadhead fail on each animal. I have always shot slick tricks with zero issues and regret switching but there was a lot of hype behind SEVRS. Never again!
@ around 5min. What was crawling behind you on the ground? Couldn't make it out. I was thinking whatever it was. The guy laying back on the ground was about to find out!😅
Thanks for sharing this video Remi! All and all it was a good hunt with your family. Bummer on the mechanical failure. Does this sway you from using mechanical broad heads in the future or are you willing to try others?
Thanks Remi. You may not have punched your tag, but in addition to being with your fam, you gave me great instruction. I particularly appreciated the insights on anticipating what the deer is going to do, based on movement of shadows. Plus when to glass into the sun and where. I'm hunting Northern Utah. Not sure I'll have similar terrain to deal with, but I will read the shadows and sun movement and try to anticipate where they're headed after that 1st morning bed. Love the podcast, but it was extra cool to see you executing your principles, strategies and tactics in the field. Thanks again. BTW… What is that bino harness you're using?
Remi! First and foremost, love all the videos you produce and your ethics! Your broadhead situation is exactly the same thing that happened to me 2 archery seasons back, hunting the coast I cut off a herd bull from his cows, they had crossed the road but he was waiting in the brush, I was already in full go mode, just waiting for him to step out I could see his big tines through the fur trees, after what seemed like eternity he stepped out, 30 yds perfect broadside I stop him with a cow call, Im already at full draw, already set my pin and ranged the spot where he'd step out, let my arrow fly... Shooting 65 lbs on a Bowtech Experience and I watch my arrow hit him perfectly, about 4 inches behind his shoulder, I had a shuttle T solid one piece broadhead that is known to shoot through cinder blocks, well, it's been a nightmare of mine ever since but that arrow for whatever reason did not penetrate more than maybe an inch or 2 into his hide... I watched him take the hit from the arrow, he looked my direction but didn't spook, just looked around like he's been stung by a bee and I'm looking at my arrow in disbelief that it's dangling out of his side, like a tassel or something had just been poked into his hide... As I attempted to knock another arrow he spun and took off after his cows. Tracked and tracked just to try and find my arrow. Never found blood, never found my arrow, this is thick coastal Roosevelt bulls I hunt, so finding an arrow in that can be quite difficult. My point is, I've had numerous people tell me, oh well you mustve hit the shoulder... No no no, I know where the shoulder is I've shot numerous bucks and bulls and a bear now with my bow, all of them my arrow sailed through without them knowing what happened.. this instance however is etched into my mind as the biggest conundrum and head scratcher that I still haven't figured out... That was a dead bull had my arrow penetrated like it should have... And at 30 yds !!? 🤔🤦🤷
My grandfather had a similar issue on a whitetail I believe with a rage out of a crossbow, the bolt deflected of a rib and straight into the ground, sister ended up harvesting the deer with a rifle and we were able to confirm after looking at the wound
I've personally killed over 100 white tails, have a group I hunt with kill another 175 plus white tails including giants from Wisconsin, Kansas and multiple big black bears. We all used Shwackers and the Sonorans which is what they were called before being bought buy the current owner. No penetration problems. This style head is a delayed deployment style. The blades open up after the 7/8" wings cut the initial hole with super sharp 2" and 2 1\4" blades through vitals and out the opposite side. Good blood trails and we hunt dense pines and marshes where short heavy blood trails are a must. In my experience those who have mechanical or fixed head penetration ssues have bad arrow flight. Porpoising or heavy side to side wobble which robs the arrow of KE and momentum on impact. These are my and my close friends experiences. With over 36 years of bowhunting experience I would not use them if they did not perform.
I've used many of the "top rated" mechanicals for over 30 years (Rocket, NAP Spitfire, Grim Reaper, Ulmer Edge, Rage, NAP everything "new", and now SEVR), and the only time I've seen or heard of something like this happening has been when they were in their "practice modes" or with their practice heads, if they were truly broken before the shot, or if they'd rusted closed from having got wet (Grim Reapers). Knock on wood I've had zero of the problems that the mechanical haters always bring up (mechanical failures after the shot, penetration, no blood trails, etc.) unless I shot the animal poorly (too much of a side angle, in the shoulder bone, outside of the vitals, etc.). At the end of the day, I'm pretty much convinced that if you hit a big game animal where you're supposed to with a legally powerful bow, that you'd probably still kill them nine times out of ten even with field tips. The fixed vs mechanical debate is always going to be a thing forever, with each side convinced that they're right and even despite some really good testing that folks have been doing....my real advice after archery hunting for over 40 years with both fixed blades and mechanicals is to use whatever's been working the best for you and your circle of friends, with good data share your successes and failures, and most importantly to thoroughly research/test before trying new things in the field.
@@Alaskabuilt_ I’m not sure I get what your saying? I don’t carry fixed blades or mechanical blades. I carry a hybrid which is a 1 1/4in fixed and 2 1/4 mechanical. Failure or not the fixed is more than enough to kill and is legal everywhere I hunt. And for your info, city boy, I live in Montana and ‘city boy’ ain’t apart of our vocab
@@winterwolf13 first, city boy is a mentality and you proved it. There is absolutely zero reason to use a mechanical or hybrid broad head. People only use them because they think it’s cool and their reputation is more important than there character. That’s a city boy, someone who does not know the difference between reputation and character.
mechanical heads work best when they have off set blades , so that when they spin on angle shots it makes the arrow spin even faster in the direction that it helps the next blade make contact as soon as possible . over last 25 years ive made all kinds of angle shots on whitetails with nap spitfires and never an issue, they always went straight in the direction of the shot on the body-early heads that came like this were rocket steel head and nap spitfire and ive never seen anyone have issues with these 2 . have seen issues with other heads that are not off set like early grim reaper those heads with any kinda angle went all over the place from line of shot. i think biggest problem is heads that are bigger than 1.5" like 2" and are not off set and also that have 2 blades -it takes a lot of spin for that other blade to make contact . been using wasp jack hammer last few years and they seem to work good and not deflect any (went with them since nap spitfire went over seas but never lost a deer with a nap spitfire!!!
I bet it was that stupid rage copy John Dudley helped design for G5. Or maybe he just tried to shoot another 2" rear deploy. If you aren't shooting a 450 gr arrow with 14+ foc 270fps out of an absolutely perfectly tuned bow, you are playing with fire. I had my woes when I first tried mechanicals (grim reaper) with the same arrows I used fixed blades on without issue. That said, I am a believer in the Sevr 1.5's and 1.75's now that I have a better arrow build. I still keep a fixed in the quiver for certian situations.
I shot a elk with a vortex expandable that had I used a muzzy it would have been Dead for sure. But as it was it got caught in the bone even though I was shooting with 80 pounds. Never again will I use an expanding broadhead for any hunt. J tracked the elk for 20 miles before I gave up on it. This was one of the worst hunts I have ever been on because it ruined it for me. Thanks for the video.
I shot a doe at 10 yards from 20' up in a tree and had a similar outcome shooting 450 grain arrow with 3 blade mechanical arrow barely stuck into the deer and fell out as she ran off. Broadhead appeared to have deployed and she was bleeding good for about 50 yards then trickled off to no blood.
Yeah dude, tough break. I, like you have given thought to mechanicals many times but one bad story is enough for me question using them. Now this can be added to the uncountable number of bad story's I've heard about mechanical failure solidifies my opinion on them. Ill be sticking with my 2 blade heads as they do not fail. For the haters out there, sure you can take animals with them, you can also take animals with rocks, that doesn't mean I use them. One chance of it not working should be enough for anyone to not use them. I want to be the only weak link in my shot not my equipment. Next time will be better Remi!
All mechanical heads are trash for anything larger than a turkey and should be banned. Why introduce variables into the equation when bowhunting is hard enough? You can’t beat a CNC machined, one piece fixed head.
Not a fan of mechanicals. Monolithic 2 and 3 blades, and some steel insert stuff. Also like FOC above 12 percent and a little more weight up front for improved arrow flight. Some think when you talk about FOC you mean a super heavy arrow set up, but simply going from a 100 gr point to a sturdy 150 gr will up your game on arrow lethality. Dang that looks like some tough terrain to hunt in.
@@Alaskabuilt_i use 200 for both trad and compound, mainly because I started elk hunting my first year with a light recurve so I just had the heads. They shoot grea on a lot of arrows though. 200g maasais group with points to 65.
@@Alaskabuilt_ Yeah, but I mean why not right? Zero reason not to if it still shoots great farther than I'll shoot on game in either bow. I definitely believe you, not arguing, but my buddy was trying to ttalk me into going lighter to get that extra 5 yards on my pins. He kept saying he never didn't get a pass through on an elk with a low-400's arrow. Short while later he's saying "you need to carry at least six broadheads, I've put five in an elk before and had to go find one that went through to shoot him again". What??? He's also one of those boys who'll take a walking 80 yard shot from any angle if he sees the bull he likes. He is a freak of a shot, but that's just a bad idea.
@@jcarry5214 80 yards is city boy bs. Means he can’t stalk. It’s not about killing things at as far as possible with the craziest shot you can do just for internet likes. That’s the definition of a city boy. Remember fair chase methods? I doubt it. Use fixed, learn how and where to aim and you won’t have to put 5 arrows in an animal and make it suffer.
you never hear a hunter asking the question, “I wonder if this fixed 2blade will work?” Because they just DO! Why ever risk using a mechanical when fixed blades are always reliable. Especially the annihilator or Kayuga fixed blades. Blows my mind why any hunter would use a mechanical, when the question of IF IT WILL WORK, is in your head at all🤦🏻
I've heard the same story so many times or the other story is blade don't open I shoot cut on contact for that reason to bad hard work lost deer wounded that really sucks
I haven’t watched the whole video, don’t know if the title is some kind of clickbait. That said, I don’t get the fascination with mech heads. Blood trails can definitely be better than fixed heads but there is really not flight or accuracy benefits in mech heads. I tune my bows to perfection. I do NOT broadhead tune. Doing the tuning just to go out and start moving your rest around seems silly. I have no issues get fixed blade heads if different brands and styles to hit with field points. At longer yardage, they actually hold tighter to field points than mechanicals do. Edit: now I’ve seen the whole video. Is there a chance the head in question was a sever or Evolution that has the ability to lock down the heads in practice mode?
@@FullDrawOutdoors let’s find out. What skill sets do you have in life? Where do you live? See I live in interior Alaska. I’m a master mechanic, carpenter, forester, landscaper and welder. I can provide every necessity of life and some. I doubt you can provide a single necessity of life city boy. Let’s hear the skill sets. Next I will ask you to back it up as I will do the same, city boy.
What is the love for Iron Will all about? I watched the born and raised vid they did with 4 broad heads shooting an actual elk shoulder and the Iron Will was trash! The least penetration of all 4, Exodus (1/3 the price) went through like a hot knife through butter!
Hard to believe that an arrow would just stop penetrating if it didn't encounter some serious bone or structurally failed. Not convinced by your explanation.
Go read about it happening to other people. What’s not to understand? Arrow didn’t go in, deer ran away. Expert says perfect hit 0 penetration I believe him.
I’ve had my slick tricks break both shoulder of moose and grizzly. Bone will not stop an arrow unless it’s 45lb draw or under. Or you are taking city boy shots over 60 yards.
I have had a lot of poor performance and failures from mechanicals over the years. Even though I know a lot of advancements have been made but I do not trust them. Not any of them. I will not consider a mechanical for any hunt
Usually enjoy your videos. So after a tremendous effort and a slow hunt, 5yrds at 14:37. I always use a 2 blade fixed, BUT switch to a mechanical at 5yrds (hmm, NOT). 15:09 switch back??? 15:07 Now your on a sheep hunt and decide.... 15:28 back to the mechanical.. Doesn't look like a sheep to me.??? Hit it perfect, just where I wanted, bounced off....???? Sounds like Joe Biden!!!! If your shooting the bow specs you claim a blunt would easily push through the shoulder bone, but that's not where you were aiming right?? Hit him perfect??? NEED a new editor!! Just another video/scam that the idiots will like & subscribe too... SAD EFFORT on the scam, probably a cool hunt.. If that was real!!!
Never use mechanical. Why change it? They do not fly better by any means. City boys use mechanical because of their egos. Real men used fix. People who can’t hunt shoot long range.
They physically do fly better, the laws of physics make it impossible for a fixed head to fly better or more field point like than a majority of mechanical designs.
Everything is a test nothing is 100% doesn't matter if you've never had a failure with what you use sooner or later you or someone will have a failure. I was more concerned there was no mention of tracking this deer to ensure it was not mortality wounded. Yes he said it went 2000 ft up and over a mountain like nothing but still no mention of tracking it. I've tracked animals several miles to ensure they were not badly wounded found no more than 3 or so drops of blood in those several miles which made me feel a little better when I lost the trail. So I'm with you in the regard of being out wont watch this guy again.
The first people to use any weapon system on animals were testing them. Testing is an ongoing process that never ends. Any usable data point you extrapolate from an outcome is part of testing. Though I doubt you're willing to give up all of your hunting equipment since you'd have to test it on living animals at some point
Mechanical broadheads plain suck. I've been using the Ramcat Hydro Shocks for years now and never had a issue. They do alot of damage and leaves carnage.
Love this video, reminds of the old solohntr videos I really liked. Heard this story on the podcast and couldn’t click fast enough on the video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Love to see family hunts! Lost my dad 1.5 years ago when we where 2 days into a hunt. Take every opportunity you get.
I guess I'm just old school but I've shot the same fixed blade broadhead for over 40 years and it just works so I keep using it. Always great videos Remi. Love watching.
Interesting choice for a close-range shot. I see the argument of the massive blood loss it could create. When I used mechanical broadheads, it was primarily for longer distances because they should fly like field points. However, since my fixed blades now fly just as well, I prefer using fixed blades exclusively. It's not the first time I've heard stories about losing a deer due to mechanical broadheads misbehaving. I appreciate the insights shared here, and it's always valuable to hear different experiences in the field.
What a fabulous adventure. We all live and learn while having fun. Most people wouldn't work so hard for a paycheck. You do it for fun and a bonus for meat and hunting with family. Great video.
Absolutely had the same thing happen to me with mechanical broad head. I have had many mechanical broad heads work but after that failure I stopped using them. I only use 2 blade single bevel because they will not fail. I put a lot of time,energy and money into finding and getting a shot at mature bucks to take a chance on a broad head failure.
Not only that but so many more angles can be shot ethically with the single bevel over a mechanical. Never understand why guys want that little more room for error back over having more shot opportunities
Great video remi awesome to be in the sage hunting mulies with family
Appreciate it, hunting with family is the best!
I really liked the technique you used to highlight your brother stalking the buck that far away. It kept it really visceral.
That mechanical failed because of the steep angle. One side opened first and it basically turns into a hinge. Same thing would happen on a hard 1/4 away. Fixed is the way to go.
Great point. I've always preferred fixed blades, but this story and your explanation has me saying "never" on the mechanicals. At least not for big game.
@@stabil-eyes My thought process has always been what works and requires no additional steps or thoughts. I also run a 3 pin slider. I never have to adjust range unless I am taking a follow up at long distance. I wouldn't recommend mechanicals for Western hunting. If you are in a low tree stand it's probably fine because you can control how steep the shot is. When you don't know what range, angle ect a bull elk will come its best to take the thinking out of the equation.
I totally agree with this statement. This is the reason I would have chosen a fixed blade. No need for a field point accuracy at that distance, just hit the mark with something that will get the job done.
@veryfastride If your bow is tuned and you are using a broadhead to set your pins field point accuracy is not a thing. There is 4" of difference from my field tips to my montec g5s at 100 but I still use a broadhead to adjust my pins 2 months before season. The rest of the year I shoot field points to save wear and tear on my targets.
Super eye opening with your situation that occurred, that’s a rough spot to be in especially after making that kind of stalk. I made the switch to fixed blades a couple years back for that exact fear in mind of what could happen if the mechanical head fails, had one mechanical broadhead not deploy all the way on a javelina for me and that was it. Fixed blades all the way brotha!
Likely an over the top style broadhead. I shot a buck in Arkansas with a Shwacker broadhead at about 30 yards. In my eyes I pinwheeled the buck. Bottom 1/3 of the body 3” aft of the shoulder. My 505gr arrow traveling 270fps penetrated maybe 3.5”. The buck took off on a dead run and the arrow fell out after 3-4 bounds. Minimal blood, no evidence of bone or a hard impact on the tip. After really studying the way the broadhead opens the first thing I realized was one of the early stages of the heads deployment creates a pitchfork. Point/tip at 0 degrees and both blades at about 10 degrees. This position would obviously happen early in the deployment cycle. My only thought is the buck was mid-step with his impact side front leg barring weight and fully extended aft. This made the shoulder muscles tense and tight, coupled with hide fur and the pitchfork configuration of the broadhead it caused the head to hang up and dissipate the kinetic energy over a wider area like a judo point. Anything forked is designed to grab, not penetrate. So I personally won’t ever shoot another broadhead that doesn’t maintain an aerodynamic profile the entire deployment cycle. Not sure if that is or is similar to what you used but that’s my experience.
Yes this is a great way to put it it I think that is exactly what happened.
I used Rage Hypodermic for years. I drew a once in a lifetime moose tag in Wy last year. I decided to go to a Ramcat for the hunt. This fix blade broadhead flies perfect to field points, penetrated thru the moose and made me a believer. Try it!
The Ramcat broadheads look great. Do they fly true to field points?
@@bobtosi9346 No head flies completely true to field points, even small mechanicals. That said you can get a bow tuned well enough to shoot most broadheads well
No issues so far here, using sevrs. Thats definitely a bummer though man. Are you gonna post about which head it was?
Bummer about the failure. But being in beautiful country with family is as good as it gets. Thanks for sharing.
I had the same thing happen with a Swhacker mechanical last year but the Grim Reaper whitetail specials i used the previous few yrs were flawless
I’d like to know what broadhead. I had a similar issue with a sevr on a whitetail. I got him the next day and it had stopped on a rib. I don’t use mechanicals anymore.
Stopped by a rib? Crazy and hard to believe that an arrow moving with all that force would stop on something as fragile as a rib bone.
There's something going on here besides broadheads choice. What was your arrow weight, insert/broadheads weight, bow poundage, and distance from target?
@@BrandonGodfrey-yi7tcdude remi shoots 75-80 pounds with a ~550 grain arrow and has a tuned bow. The mechanical failed period. Nothing else matters but the broadhead failed miserably. This kind of thing doesn’t happen with a fixed blade
@@bowdude33 Does he still shoot that high after his injury? Remi suggested that perhaps the broadhead didn't open up, which makes no since because if that was the case, it should have penetrated much farther and essentially been a field tip. But regardless, I was referencing the Sevr mentioned in the comments stopping on a rib. The world of mechanical broadheads is vast in preformance capabilities. And there are only one or maybe two that I really would trust, Sevr being the top. Lack of penetration on mechanicals is an issue because of wide cuts slowing the arrow down (there are other issues with them such as failure to open, etc.) But it makes no since that a properly sharp broadhead of any kind would be the main cause of an arrow stopping THAT short in an animal.
This has been a problem with Sevr specifically. No one wants to admit it either and instead just say they wont use expandables anymore but when the bowmars were pushing the sevr broadheads they had a few videos where all their shots show zero penetration and one of a sevr bouncing off a TURKEY at 30 yards.
Sevr is the shit 16 dead bucks with the 2.1 and 2.0. Have I wounded deer ? Yes 2 deer but it sure was not the SEVR. All shot placement. SEVRs don’t really fail but hey whatever make you guys feeling better on loosing deer. Shoot a 100lb bow and 800grain arrow with a fixed iron will and let’s see what the story is when the deer runs off. And it will eventually happen because no set up is perfect and every set up has its cons. In the case of sevrs they don’t penetrate the best but that’s why I pull high poundage and shoot a high energy set up and make sure to tuck the arrow where it needs to be put. Got a pass through in 2022 at 97 yards on a quartering away buck all with 425grain 4mm axis out of Mathews v3 #77lbs @27.5dl so there’s some data for those who care to know. Good luck to you all on finding your deer this year!
Swacker broad heads did this to me 2 times in one day on the same buck. Switches to sevr and haven’t had it happen again. Great film!
Hey Remi, you asked for comment, so…. This is Ben Bailey. My wife and I hunted bear at your lodge in southwestern MT. Thanks for the great time. As for mechanicals? I’d rather try to kill a dear with a camera lens than put one of those on the tip of an arrow. The supposed advantages are purely BS. I’ve never seen a fixed blade “plane” like it was a wing, but I’ve put a lot of them through flesh and bone both traditionally and with a compound. I think what you ran into was the angle problem with mechanicals. Given an obtuse angle of entry, they don’t penetrate well, the mechanism hangs up and you get to watch the failure. Truly disappointing after you made such an excellent stalk in that heat and waited out your opportunity. Good luck in all things and hello to your Dad.
Kayuga brand "pilot cuts" from Australia might be worth a try. Fixed blade, ultra sharp, aerodynamic and never fails
Hey man, last year, I shot at a Blacktail buck in Oregon with a mechanical broadhead and had the same sort of experience. He was 7 yards from me and put it right behind his shoulder and hit right, where I was aiming, and it just stopped and only penetrated about 6” so I never recovered him. Needless to say I’ve switched back to fixed blades.
I’ve only had this happen once when an outsert snapped on a deer and it wasn’t the heads fault. It was actually a fixed head not a mechanical. I wish there was more details given unless I missed it.
Awesome vid Remi🤙🏽
Had a similar thing happen with a whitetail down from a tree stand at 15yds with a NAP kill zone broadhead, switched to Rage after that and never had an issue.
Yeah this last rut I was a 5m on a nice fallow buck. Shot it with grim reaper which usually work but this time a bigger cutting diameter the 13/4 blade razor cut. Perfect shot but got about an inch of penetration.
Two things might of happened, at such close distance it hadn’t built enough kinetic energy to deploy properly or the larger blades just didn’t penetrate through fur, skin and ribs. Heartbreaking 💔
My Buck and bull from 2023 I had the same thing happen. I was lucky enough to get more than one arrow in both animals, and unfortunately I had more than one mechanical broadhead fail on each animal. I have always shot slick tricks with zero issues and regret switching but there was a lot of hype behind SEVRS. Never again!
@ around 5min. What was crawling behind you on the ground? Couldn't make it out. I was thinking whatever it was. The guy laying back on the ground was about to find out!😅
Yeah, what the heck is that?
Looked like a large beetle of some extraterrestrial kind. 😉
@@branchandfoundry560 I don't know which state this is in. My initial thought was a scorpion. I didn't look to be a mouse because of its movement.
@acurabass14 if you zoom you can see it's tail
Tarantula hawk?
Thanks for sharing this video Remi! All and all it was a good hunt with your family. Bummer on the mechanical failure. Does this sway you from using mechanical broad heads in the future or are you willing to try others?
Thanks Remi. You may not have punched your tag, but in addition to being with your fam, you gave me great instruction. I particularly appreciated the insights on anticipating what the deer is going to do, based on movement of shadows. Plus when to glass into the sun and where. I'm hunting Northern Utah. Not sure I'll have similar terrain to deal with, but I will read the shadows and sun movement and try to anticipate where they're headed after that 1st morning bed. Love the podcast, but it was extra cool to see you executing your principles, strategies and tactics in the field. Thanks again. BTW… What is that bino harness you're using?
Bad case of PD...projectile disfunction
I was just about to grab some Sevr 1.5 Hybrids for an elk hunt this fall.. had been hearing so many good things. This has me once again questioning..
How did it go?
That really sucks. Getting that close. I always use the same brand of broad heads. For over forty years I have used the Wasp brand. Never had an issue
Remi! First and foremost, love all the videos you produce and your ethics! Your broadhead situation is exactly the same thing that happened to me 2 archery seasons back, hunting the coast I cut off a herd bull from his cows, they had crossed the road but he was waiting in the brush, I was already in full go mode, just waiting for him to step out I could see his big tines through the fur trees, after what seemed like eternity he stepped out, 30 yds perfect broadside I stop him with a cow call, Im already at full draw, already set my pin and ranged the spot where he'd step out, let my arrow fly... Shooting 65 lbs on a Bowtech Experience and I watch my arrow hit him perfectly, about 4 inches behind his shoulder, I had a shuttle T solid one piece broadhead that is known to shoot through cinder blocks, well, it's been a nightmare of mine ever since but that arrow for whatever reason did not penetrate more than maybe an inch or 2 into his hide... I watched him take the hit from the arrow, he looked my direction but didn't spook, just looked around like he's been stung by a bee and I'm looking at my arrow in disbelief that it's dangling out of his side, like a tassel or something had just been poked into his hide... As I attempted to knock another arrow he spun and took off after his cows. Tracked and tracked just to try and find my arrow. Never found blood, never found my arrow, this is thick coastal Roosevelt bulls I hunt, so finding an arrow in that can be quite difficult.
My point is, I've had numerous people tell me, oh well you mustve hit the shoulder... No no no, I know where the shoulder is I've shot numerous bucks and bulls and a bear now with my bow, all of them my arrow sailed through without them knowing what happened.. this instance however is etched into my mind as the biggest conundrum and head scratcher that I still haven't figured out... That was a dead bull had my arrow penetrated like it should have... And at 30 yds !!? 🤔🤦🤷
The same thing happened to me a few years back with mechanical broadheads .
My grandfather had a similar issue on a whitetail I believe with a rage out of a crossbow, the bolt deflected of a rib and straight into the ground, sister ended up harvesting the deer with a rifle and we were able to confirm after looking at the wound
Man i gotta be honest you probably should disclose the arrow setup and broadhead. But its your show. Just my .02 great job with everything stay safe.
I've personally killed over 100 white tails, have a group I hunt with kill another 175 plus white tails including giants from Wisconsin, Kansas and multiple big black bears. We all used Shwackers and the Sonorans which is what they were called before being bought buy the current owner. No penetration problems. This style head is a delayed deployment style. The blades open up after the 7/8" wings cut the initial hole with super sharp 2" and 2 1\4" blades through vitals and out the opposite side. Good blood trails and we hunt dense pines and marshes where short heavy blood trails are a must. In my experience those who have mechanical or fixed head penetration ssues have bad arrow flight. Porpoising or heavy side to side wobble which robs the arrow of KE and momentum on impact. These are my and my close friends experiences. With over 36 years of bowhunting experience I would not use them if they did not perform.
awesome vid Remi the unfortunates happen mate but least ya could share the hunt with family 👍
What's the camo patter on Ryans gear?
I've used many of the "top rated" mechanicals for over 30 years (Rocket, NAP Spitfire, Grim Reaper, Ulmer Edge, Rage, NAP everything "new", and now SEVR), and the only time I've seen or heard of something like this happening has been when they were in their "practice modes" or with their practice heads, if they were truly broken before the shot, or if they'd rusted closed from having got wet (Grim Reapers). Knock on wood I've had zero of the problems that the mechanical haters always bring up (mechanical failures after the shot, penetration, no blood trails, etc.) unless I shot the animal poorly (too much of a side angle, in the shoulder bone, outside of the vitals, etc.). At the end of the day, I'm pretty much convinced that if you hit a big game animal where you're supposed to with a legally powerful bow, that you'd probably still kill them nine times out of ten even with field tips. The fixed vs mechanical debate is always going to be a thing forever, with each side convinced that they're right and even despite some really good testing that folks have been doing....my real advice after archery hunting for over 40 years with both fixed blades and mechanicals is to use whatever's been working the best for you and your circle of friends, with good data share your successes and failures, and most importantly to thoroughly research/test before trying new things in the field.
Thanks
Have seen this in person several times with different mechanicals.
So what’s the broadhead?
I’ve never had an issue with a mechanical broadhead but recently I’ve switched to a hybrid in case of a fail
You city boys crack me up. “I use mechanical because I want the reputation but I carry fixed because I know I will wound an animal eventually.”
@@Alaskabuilt_ I’m not sure I get what your saying? I don’t carry fixed blades or mechanical blades. I carry a hybrid which is a 1 1/4in fixed and 2 1/4 mechanical. Failure or not the fixed is more than enough to kill and is legal everywhere I hunt. And for your info, city boy, I live in Montana and ‘city boy’ ain’t apart of our vocab
@@winterwolf13 first, city boy is a mentality and you proved it. There is absolutely zero reason to use a mechanical or hybrid broad head. People only use them because they think it’s cool and their reputation is more important than there character. That’s a city boy, someone who does not know the difference between reputation and character.
@@Alaskabuilt_ Doesn’t matter if there is a reason or not. It is not your equipment. You have no say in what broadhead he shoots. Period. Cope
mechanical heads work best when they have off set blades , so that when they spin on angle shots it makes the arrow spin even faster in the direction that it helps the next blade make contact as soon as possible . over last 25 years ive made all kinds of angle shots on whitetails with nap spitfires and never an issue, they always went straight in the direction of the shot on the body-early heads that came like this were rocket steel head and nap spitfire and ive never seen anyone have issues with these 2 . have seen issues with other heads that are not off set like early grim reaper those heads with any kinda angle went all over the place from line of shot.
i think biggest problem is heads that are bigger than 1.5" like 2" and are not off set and also that have 2 blades -it takes a lot of spin for that other blade to make contact .
been using wasp jack hammer last few years and they seem to work good and not deflect any (went with them since nap spitfire went over seas but never lost a deer with a nap spitfire!!!
I bet it was that stupid rage copy John Dudley helped design for G5. Or maybe he just tried to shoot another 2" rear deploy. If you aren't shooting a 450 gr arrow with 14+ foc 270fps out of an absolutely perfectly tuned bow, you are playing with fire. I had my woes when I first tried mechanicals (grim reaper) with the same arrows I used fixed blades on without issue. That said, I am a believer in the Sevr 1.5's and 1.75's now that I have a better arrow build. I still keep a fixed in the quiver for certian situations.
I shot a elk with a vortex expandable that had I used a muzzy it would have been Dead for sure. But as it was it got caught in the bone even though I was shooting with 80 pounds. Never again will I use an expanding broadhead for any hunt. J tracked the elk for 20 miles before I gave up on it. This was one of the worst hunts I have ever been on because it ruined it for me. Thanks for the video.
Did you forget to take the practice bolt out of a Sevr?
I shot a doe at 10 yards from 20' up in a tree and had a similar outcome shooting 450 grain arrow with 3 blade mechanical arrow barely stuck into the deer and fell out as she ran off. Broadhead appeared to have deployed and she was bleeding good for about 50 yards then trickled off to no blood.
Where is this going down?
What broadhead ?
Mechanical. That’s all you need to know. They need to be outlawed for hunting. All of them.
@@Alaskabuilt_dude cries more than my 6 month old 😂
@@gwiltz1123 oh the irony
@@Alaskabuilt_ the largest broadhead study ever done proved mechanicals are way better. 30k deer
@@WMBCS yeah ok. That’s like saying “the government says so! It’s safe take the vaccine!” 🤡🤦♂️
Had the same thing happen with a certain letter number brand @70 yards 420 grain arrow 70lb bow
Was this their three blade option?
Yeah dude, tough break. I, like you have given thought to mechanicals many times but one bad story is enough for me question using them. Now this can be added to the uncountable number of bad story's I've heard about mechanical failure solidifies my opinion on them. Ill be sticking with my 2 blade heads as they do not fail. For the haters out there, sure you can take animals with them, you can also take animals with rocks, that doesn't mean I use them. One chance of it not working should be enough for anyone to not use them. I want to be the only weak link in my shot not my equipment. Next time will be better Remi!
Nevada?
All mechanical heads are trash for anything larger than a turkey and should be banned. Why introduce variables into the equation when bowhunting is hard enough? You can’t beat a CNC machined, one piece fixed head.
Not a fan of mechanicals. Monolithic 2 and 3 blades, and some steel insert stuff. Also like FOC above 12 percent and a little more weight up front for improved arrow flight. Some think when you talk about FOC you mean a super heavy arrow set up, but simply going from a 100 gr point to a sturdy 150 gr will up your game on arrow lethality. Dang that looks like some tough terrain to hunt in.
Dang! I don’t even use 150g on grizzly. Slick trick 125g works
@@Alaskabuilt_i use 200 for both trad and compound, mainly because I started elk hunting my first year with a light recurve so I just had the heads. They shoot grea on a lot of arrows though. 200g maasais group with points to 65.
@@jcarry5214 recurve is a different game and I haven’t hunter with it much. I’d have to take your word for it. 🇺🇸💪🏹
@@Alaskabuilt_ Yeah, but I mean why not right? Zero reason not to if it still shoots great farther than I'll shoot on game in either bow. I definitely believe you, not arguing, but my buddy was trying to ttalk me into going lighter to get that extra 5 yards on my pins. He kept saying he never didn't get a pass through on an elk with a low-400's arrow. Short while later he's saying "you need to carry at least six broadheads, I've put five in an elk before and had to go find one that went through to shoot him again". What??? He's also one of those boys who'll take a walking 80 yard shot from any angle if he sees the bull he likes. He is a freak of a shot, but that's just a bad idea.
@@jcarry5214 80 yards is city boy bs. Means he can’t stalk. It’s not about killing things at as far as possible with the craziest shot you can do just for internet likes. That’s the definition of a city boy. Remember fair chase methods? I doubt it. Use fixed, learn how and where to aim and you won’t have to put 5 arrows in an animal and make it suffer.
you never hear a hunter asking the question, “I wonder if this fixed 2blade will work?” Because they just DO! Why ever risk using a mechanical when fixed blades are always reliable. Especially the annihilator or Kayuga fixed blades.
Blows my mind why any hunter would use a mechanical, when the question of IF IT WILL WORK, is in your head at all🤦🏻
WAS THE RAMBO BUCK.. THE BUCK THAT DONT GO DWN😂
Had a 125 grimreaper from a 100lbs crossbow bounce of the last rib of a boar hogg... had 3or4 hairs trapped in the blades.
Heard this on the podcast
I left a message yesterday and it was deleted. I guess you cant mention a brand when you talk about a failure?
Were you using that BEAST broadhead? I've seen a lot of videos where it actually never makes full deployment and fails during testing
Say the name brand.
All mechanicals fail. Stop using them, city boys.
I've heard the same story so many times or the other story is blade don't open I shoot cut on contact for that reason to bad hard work lost deer wounded that really sucks
Bullet proof jacket... That's what they get from Amazon.
Shit! It's gonna be tough from now on 🥵
I haven’t watched the whole video, don’t know if the title is some kind of clickbait. That said, I don’t get the fascination with mech heads. Blood trails can definitely be better than fixed heads but there is really not flight or accuracy benefits in mech heads.
I tune my bows to perfection.
I do NOT broadhead tune. Doing the tuning just to go out and start moving your rest around seems silly. I have no issues get fixed blade heads if different brands and styles to hit with field points. At longer yardage, they actually hold tighter to field points than mechanicals do.
Edit: now I’ve seen the whole video. Is there a chance the head in question was a sever or Evolution that has the ability to lock down the heads in practice mode?
Seems disingenuous to not disclose the broadhead
There's not a mechanical head made that will ever be on my arrows period.
Fixed blade
Micheal Waddel did
Had to be a Beast Broadhead!
What broadhead remi?
Irrelevant. All mechanicals need to be outlawed for hunting
@@Alaskabuilt_ Lol mechanicals aren't a problem. I get pass throughs on elk with my set up and they do so much quicker
@@Dpark2010 whatever you need to tell yourself cityboy
@@Alaskabuilt_ nice come back city boy. You’re probably more city then all of us 😂
@@FullDrawOutdoors let’s find out. What skill sets do you have in life? Where do you live? See I live in interior Alaska. I’m a master mechanic, carpenter, forester, landscaper and welder. I can provide every necessity of life and some. I doubt you can provide a single necessity of life city boy. Let’s hear the skill sets. Next I will ask you to back it up as I will do the same, city boy.
All that effort just to have the broadhead fail. Dang...🤦♂
Iron will’s !!!
Bone doesn’t matter at all.
Neither will your blood trail lol
What is the love for Iron Will all about? I watched the born and raised vid they did with 4 broad heads shooting an actual elk shoulder and the Iron Will was trash! The least penetration of all 4, Exodus (1/3 the price) went through like a hot knife through butter!
hey your that guy from cotw
Hard to believe that an arrow would just stop penetrating if it didn't encounter some serious bone or structurally failed. Not convinced by your explanation.
I wouldnt believe it if i hadnt had it happen myself… unexplainable
Is this your way of coping
Go read about it happening to other people. What’s not to understand? Arrow didn’t go in, deer ran away. Expert says perfect hit 0 penetration I believe him.
I’ve had my slick tricks break both shoulder of moose and grizzly. Bone will not stop an arrow unless it’s 45lb draw or under. Or you are taking city boy shots over 60 yards.
@@jcarry5214you city boys crack me up 😂
Poor Shot Angles and Mechanicals don't play well together.
💪🏽🇺🇸🏹
Sounds like a rage 😡
I have had a lot of poor performance and failures from mechanicals over the years. Even though I know a lot of advancements have been made but I do not trust them. Not any of them. I will not consider a mechanical for any hunt
Use an exodus
Imagine that u just didn’t have it on video lol u made terrible shot that was the only failure in this video.
Usually enjoy your videos. So after a tremendous effort and a slow hunt, 5yrds at 14:37. I always use a 2 blade fixed, BUT switch to a mechanical at 5yrds (hmm, NOT). 15:09 switch back??? 15:07 Now your on a sheep hunt and decide.... 15:28 back to the mechanical.. Doesn't look like a sheep to me.??? Hit it perfect, just where I wanted, bounced off....???? Sounds like Joe Biden!!!! If your shooting the bow specs you claim a blunt would easily push through the shoulder bone, but that's not where you were aiming right?? Hit him perfect??? NEED a new editor!! Just another video/scam that the idiots will like & subscribe too... SAD EFFORT on the scam, probably a cool hunt.. If that was real!!!
Cue all of the mechanical haters in the comments lol
That’s nice of you to take a lesbian hunting and get them outside! Good on you!
Light arrow, light poundage…. FAFO. And yes, you DID hit the shoulder.
Never use mechanical. Why change it? They do not fly better by any means. City boys use mechanical because of their egos. Real men used fix. People who can’t hunt shoot long range.
They physically do fly better, the laws of physics make it impossible for a fixed head to fly better or more field point like than a majority of mechanical designs.
You lost my respect testing things on living animals. I’m out. 🤡
Everything is a test nothing is 100% doesn't matter if you've never had a failure with what you use sooner or later you or someone will have a failure. I was more concerned there was no mention of tracking this deer to ensure it was not mortality wounded. Yes he said it went 2000 ft up and over a mountain like nothing but still no mention of tracking it. I've tracked animals several miles to ensure they were not badly wounded found no more than 3 or so drops of blood in those several miles which made me feel a little better when I lost the trail. So I'm with you in the regard of being out wont watch this guy again.
The first people to use any weapon system on animals were testing them. Testing is an ongoing process that never ends. Any usable data point you extrapolate from an outcome is part of testing. Though I doubt you're willing to give up all of your hunting equipment since you'd have to test it on living animals at some point
Never had a similar experience because I’ve never used a mechanical…and never regretted that decision…how people still use them is beyond me🙄
Mechanical broadheads plain suck. I've been using the Ramcat Hydro Shocks for years now and never had a issue. They do alot of damage and leaves carnage.
Friends don’t let friends shoot mechanical broadheads!!
and your surprised why lol