The Edgelord Who Black-Balled The Villain, Before DM Could Do The Same To Us | Narrated D&D Story

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  • @celtarican630
    @celtarican630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +498

    "how it was done, never leaves this room" The best possible response

    • @CptZargon
      @CptZargon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      And yet here we are listening to "how it was done" from everywhere EXCEPT that room hahaha!

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@CptZargon to be fair, that was an in-character line, not an out of character one XD

    • @michaeltalley2283
      @michaeltalley2283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      XD very much so

    • @christophergordon6012
      @christophergordon6012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Screw that, I'm telling everyone! This will be a bigger ballad than "Toss a Coin to Your Witcher!"

    • @michaeltalley2283
      @michaeltalley2283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@christophergordon6012 Well said.

  • @TexMeta
    @TexMeta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +180

    Moral of the story: if you're suffering from an edgelord, get yourself an edgelord to counter.

    • @michaelmorton5698
      @michaelmorton5698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      When an edgelord becomes a DM, the only countermeasure is an edgelord player.

    • @thedootlord
      @thedootlord 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      2 Negatives make it positive.

    • @Adamant_Consternation
      @Adamant_Consternation 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Nothing like using an enemy's own weapons against him.

    • @boorishleech5706
      @boorishleech5706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Edgelord player vs Edgelord DM is like Pokémon’s version of Dragon-type move vs Dragon-type Pokémon, it’s super effective!

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I honestly thought the edge lord would reveal to the players, after the game, that "Monk sent me."

  • @graveyardshift2100
    @graveyardshift2100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Droog is the hero they deserved, just not the hero they expected.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      hear hear!

    • @vasudeanguy8523
      @vasudeanguy8523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Droog grabbed the problem by the balls, literally.

  • @liamdalemon1525
    @liamdalemon1525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    DM: YOU RUINED MY SCENE!
    Droog: correction, I *fixed* your scene

  • @thecharmingone3931
    @thecharmingone3931 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    “Imagine Punisher mixed with Batman written by Frank Miller.”
    Oh god, you poor things.

    • @asdergold1
      @asdergold1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Modern Miller

    • @K_i_t_t_y84
      @K_i_t_t_y84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Right?! Good lord 😂

    • @SudrianTales
      @SudrianTales 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Could be worse, it could be Holy Terror added as well

    • @mrroboshadow
      @mrroboshadow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SudrianTales i mean op already said it was sexist and racist
      i think it was already implied

    • @Reddotzebra
      @Reddotzebra 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's Millertime!

  • @ambushbob5383
    @ambushbob5383 2 ปีที่แล้ว +147

    To beat a "that guy" sometimes requires an edgelord.

    • @michaelmorton5698
      @michaelmorton5698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      "Send a maniac to catch a maniac."
      -John Spartan

    • @falxblade1352
      @falxblade1352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@michaelmorton5698 Demolition Man?

    • @michaelmorton5698
      @michaelmorton5698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@falxblade1352 Correct.

    • @falxblade1352
      @falxblade1352 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@michaelmorton5698 I'm imagining Droognas the perfect mix of Simon Phoenix and Edgar Friendly

    • @megamania7106
      @megamania7106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or a Henderson

  • @OrangeyChocolate
    @OrangeyChocolate 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Ah yes, the old nutcracker. Always a winner.
    Now I can just imagine the wizard letting out a reedy little shriek as Droog squeezes and his concentration drops.

    • @TheDannyschoofs
      @TheDannyschoofs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Fluffernutter ? Sorry couldn't help but think of that XD

    • @BattleBrine7870
      @BattleBrine7870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh your poor wife

  • @whatsagoodusername823
    @whatsagoodusername823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    That sounds like an awful DM, but the evil DM in me wants to do this to a group of players, just for a couple small dungeons, then get to a big boss fight (not the BBEG, but a big one that'll basically be Kane's arch nemesis), have them meet Kane at the entrance to the boss room, then when they go in Kane starts a generic hero's monologue only for the Boss to grab him by the face halfway through the first sentence, pick him up and slam him to the floor, crushing his head like a water balloon, then I just look at the players with an evil grin and say "Roll initiative".

    • @johntaco861
      @johntaco861 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      That basically tells players to “Shut the fuck up and throw hands.” It ain’t an anime where a villain will wait for you to do some generic heroic monologue, they’ll run up and squeeze your balls...Like this edgelord did.

    • @pretsal4955
      @pretsal4955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      My idea was Kane was a powerful illusionist, knocking the heroes unconscious after they were weak from winning bossfights, then modifying memory and taking the gold for himself. After it happens a couple times he slips up and kills a friendly NPC by accident and then the chase is onnnnn

    • @Zaya512
      @Zaya512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was thinking twist villain

    • @ISuperGenXI
      @ISuperGenXI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      LMAO I was thinking the same thing!!!

  • @KaiSilverhawk
    @KaiSilverhawk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Sometimes you don't have to use pickpocket to get your hands on the most precious jewel in the room...

  • @666Vampirefromhell
    @666Vampirefromhell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    If the DM is gonna fight dirty, so are the players.

  • @ThatNewZDude
    @ThatNewZDude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    And this is why you don't be a railroading jerk who should've just wrote a book.

  • @clericofchaos1
    @clericofchaos1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Boy, it really is amazing what you can accomplish with a simple grapple check. A very under used mechanic in my opinion.

    • @funnyblog100
      @funnyblog100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My best use of that was having my barbarian interrupt the big bad’s monologuing by grabbing him by the throat. I rolled a 20 on the grapple check. My barbarian began to explain that most spells require verbal components. The big bad had charmed one of our party members. He managed to gasp out a few orders and got my party member to stab me since he couldn’t have the wizard who he charmed fire off a spell because it would hit him as well. So cue villain exit stage left as he teleported away.

    • @clericofchaos1
      @clericofchaos1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@funnyblog100 It's a shame 5e doesn't have any strangulation mechanics. I've homebrewed some and my table really likes them. Those are pretty much the best reason to take the grappler feat.

    • @catherineholt1149
      @catherineholt1149 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clericofchaos1 there is a feat that allows you to do damage when grappling which is as close as your gonna get I think

    • @clericofchaos1
      @clericofchaos1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@catherineholt1149 Maybe but i really like my homebrew better. It feels more...accurate. The way i do it, if you grapple a guy and choose to strangle him, he gets one level of exhaustion for every round he's being choked. Obviously he can still try to break free on his turn, but if he fails 5 times in a row he falls unconscious and of course he dies if you keep holding him. If he breaks free all the levels go away as long as he takes one turn to get his breath back. This basically means that creature's hp is totally irrelevant and that's why my players choose to use it (of course the baddies can do that to). If a creature is too big to get your hands around you can use a rope to do basically the same thing as long as you can get on top of the creature. I really like the way i do it. I've had people make entire builds around strangling people, which is great for an evil campaign.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clericofchaos1 nice!

  • @zinmaster24
    @zinmaster24 2 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    Ah yes this story. A true classic. And a good lesson. If you're gonna run a dmpc to save the day. Just write a book instead of being a DM.

    • @truekurayami
      @truekurayami 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ya it isn't bad to have a DMPC trump card that CAN save the day, it's when they are used that way outside of serious screw ups from the party, or the RARE scripted encounter meant to help progress the story/players along certain paths

    • @runzumarun4925
      @runzumarun4925 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I based my DMpc duo to bill and red and i used them when i DMd for some kids and they stuck.. So just picture a pot head elf and orc who just want to eat and sleep.. they are forced by a deity to help new adventures from dying so fast and hopefully find a group of adventures they can trust to help them break free from this duty so they can go back to being lazy 😎 again...also they are lazy so even their help was half half assed 😂😂

    • @danielcolon979
      @danielcolon979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Ah_Ftagn I would do the same. I also would use DMPC's as teaching tools for younger players to help them learn the ropes on the game's roleplaying aspects.

    • @datkhornedog899
      @datkhornedog899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Made a DMPC, which is essentially a cursed God who can merely choose between 3 forms to represent different classes, all technically level 20, but with limits.
      ▪︎Revenant: Basically human undead Ranger or Rogue. A monster killer and a duelist. Only specials included skills against various monsters, and magic resistance. Unsuited against normal fighters.
      ▪︎Wraith: Subverted evil ghost Wizard. Imagine Starcraft 2's Stukov, but as a black ghost in white coat. Limited to a single Spell from different schools.
      ▪︎Living Armour: An old Paladin armour. Pretty much a Tank with a sledgehammer attached to his hands. Abilities included a stun and protective spell. High AP, Low HP.

    • @Spartanunit5
      @Spartanunit5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      DMPCing can actually work sometimes. I had a handful of DMPCs in a campaign I just ran. (My first one too) my players really liked the characters and a couple almost teared up when one of them sacrificed themself. One player ended up marrying one of them. A few of them lost their lives in battle and one even turned on them and had to be killed. My players seem to have really enjoyed the game saying they want me to DM a sequel to it. I tried to have the DMPCs be like Dragon Age: Origins companions. All of them were in service to the plot and the players having a good time, and all recruiting and using of these companions was optional.

  • @valencrow
    @valencrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Proof that not every edgelord is bad.
    That guy respected the enjoyment of his fellow players and that’s all you need to be a good player. Even the most eye rolling of D&D tropes can be played well as long as you care that everyone is having fun.

    • @chrisrudolf9839
      @chrisrudolf9839 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A silent brooding edgelord can actually be a very good character choice for a player who isn't too comfortable with roleplaying and enjoys tagging along with the group rather than taking the lead. That way he gets along without doing too much RP himself and get's to enjoy his occasional moments of being a badass and doesn't ruin immersion, because his silent behavior is justified within the story. It only gets bad when the edgelord also suffers from main character syndrome or acts like a murderhobo ... or when every player happened to make a silent brooding edgelord.

  • @CaedmonOS
    @CaedmonOS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    When things aren't going your way, grab an evil wizard by the balls.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      or even two, if you need to!

    • @liamdalemon1525
      @liamdalemon1525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      this was glorious! sounds like the party really had a BALL. they finally passed the DM's TEST-IES. their moment was purely glorious because the DM was NUT good at his job!

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@liamdalemon1525 *snort* An A for effort, but the actual jokes I give a 3 out of 5 :P

    • @Usernamesdontmatter1
      @Usernamesdontmatter1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Implying the evil wizard didnt take mislead.

  • @JangoFox
    @JangoFox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    “Imagine Punisher mixed with Batman written by Frank Miller...Modern Miller."
    So The Fixer from "Holy Terror".

  • @TigerW0lf
    @TigerW0lf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I remember when Artificial DM covered this. Was awesome then, still awesome now
    Edit: Also that DM is a lying pos! War Caster does NOT let you cast 2 Concentration spells!

    • @TheTrueBrawler
      @TheTrueBrawler 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nothing should let anyone concentrate on two spells. Casting a combination of spells such as Hold Person and Sickening Radiance at the same time is definitely not overpowered in any way, shape, or form.

    • @loganhagen5754
      @loganhagen5754 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think there's an item that allows two concentration spells.

    • @ForenzaAudio
      @ForenzaAudio 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      THIS is what I was coming to say.

    • @SolstaceWinters
      @SolstaceWinters 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheTrueBrawler The only way to beat a Railroading DM, is to be a rules lawyer, clearly.

    • @Usernamesdontmatter1
      @Usernamesdontmatter1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheTrueBrawler doesnt sickening radiance put a level of exhaustion on a target? 4 rounds and they are dead. No saves, no nothing.

  • @crislouise2509
    @crislouise2509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Usually when a DM is boasting about how great they are it's a red flag. There is a difference between confidence and arrogance and the arrogant ones are always trouble.

  • @williamfalls
    @williamfalls 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    A bard's worst fear... The black-balled nat 20.

  • @starbird3939
    @starbird3939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That is not how war caster works.
    War Caster does not give you to concentration spells, it allows you to use a spell as AoO, allow you to use weapons while casting spells, and have advantage to maintain concentration.

  • @sergeantsonso3490
    @sergeantsonso3490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    and droog is russian for "friend" which seems fitting for edgelord character, weirdly.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some edge lords make for great characters, if they turn it into a character arc about learning to trust and love their party members and make new friends.

  • @taluca8474
    @taluca8474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    These DMs just never got the attention from their parents and so they resort to getting attention by making everything in the campaign all about them

  • @adam7223
    @adam7223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Never a good sign when the DM tells you just how awesome they are at story crafting before you even play your first session.

  • @kcollier2192
    @kcollier2192 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    F the DM- this was a better ending. Reminds me of the one scene from Hot Shots Part Deux where Topper knees his opponent in the nuts- a classic move.

  • @Mgauge
    @Mgauge 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I think the best response to having a Gary Stu forced on a campaign is for the players to treat them like they really come of as: creepy stalkers hounding the group they know is beneath them so they could have someone to brag at rather than do something useful.
    Having nobody treat their precious self-insert characters as cool as they think they are hurts the creator’s ego more than anything else.

    • @animeotaku307
      @animeotaku307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’d just say and do nothing for the rest of the game. DM wants an audience? That’s all they’ll get.
      Maybe heckle them, too, if they decide to keep narrating.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@animeotaku307 Or, when the DM asks, "What does your character do?"
      "I don't know, DM. I haven't read that far in your novel. What does my character do?"
      or maybe, after the third time Kane steals the show, "Why? It won't matter, anyway. I'm just here to be your audience, right?"
      Or "I roll a will save, to see if I stay awake through the whole show tonight. Ooops. Looks like I lost. Of course I did. There is no will save in 5e."
      Seriously, the only reason I'd keep coming to the game with this guy is to see (and chart! I love charts!) just how long and how many times he will pull THE SAME THING on us, and just how much (or little) he'll change up the BBEG monologue, Kane's monologue, or the "exciting battle" between them. And I would throw as much shade as possible, while I check off my BINGO cards, and check my checkboxes. Blatantly.
      Ooooh, can you imagine, session 3, one of the players hands out BINGO cards to all the players, under the table? If they're subtle enough, the DM won't know why they're laughing at all his most dramatic moments.

  • @CPL.van7
    @CPL.van7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The DM shouldn't be "[your] master", he should be more like a narrator in an interactive adventure. People need to talk to eachother more.

  • @variantmouse3751
    @variantmouse3751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good ideas for powerful DMPCs:
    -Mentor that the PCs are meant to outgrow fairly early on, but who will still serve an advisory role.
    -Rival that the PCs are meant to disdain and eventually defeat.
    -Sacrificial lamb used to show how powerful the BBEG really is.
    -Aid that the PCs need to recruit, but who will only help out on occasion when (s)he feels like it.
    There are many others, but these are all roles I've had my DMPCs play in the past that have worked out pretty well.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Mentor" who will help the newbs figure stuff out, only to turn on them later, and become the BBEG, or the BBEG's henchman.
      Older adventurer who wants to complete his swan song, but (though he's OP, compared to the PCs) is not powerful enough to do it alone, and hires the party to help him. Once they help him achieve his crowning moment of glory, then he retires, but he becomes a repeat character, giving out quests and advice. "Oh, so you're looking for X? I heard of him! He hangs out over at Y. Oh, your best bet is to use bludgeoning ranged weapons. You do have bludgeoning ranged weapons, right?" And now and then, he's clearing out his attic, and finds some cool gear he doesn't need anymore. Maybe even he's willing to do magic item swapsies with the party, who can't find anyone to buy their magical items, but don't want to just hang onto them, if they can't use them.
      The MacGuffin they have to take from one place to another (there's a word for that? Escort quest?), who is not absolutely useless in combat, but isn't a great fighter, either. Just not a coward. Will actually pick up a sling and throw rocks, instead of screaming helplessly, while the bandits capture them.
      The person who has about 150 relatives and they all live near a quest-spot. "Oh, you're going to Hidden Valley? Be sure to look up my Uncle Ranch. I reckon he'll have something tasty for you to eat." Sometimes, the relatives are important to the quest, and sometimes, they're convenient merchants, and sometimes, they're just flavor. But they're all related to the DMPC.
      Pinky. The fool who is happy to do the grunt work for the party's "Brain," but also comes up with the odd, "But what if X happens?" to be the DM's warning that "You don't want to do that."
      "Sir! I have pitched the tents, fetched the water, cooked the dinner and done the laundry, SIR! Permission to see to the horses, SIR!" Although that's more henchman than DMPC, but you could turn it into a character, for sure.
      The point is, it's not the FACT of a DMPC that's bad. It's just that they are soooooooo often used soooooo badly.

  • @kcpugh5601
    @kcpugh5601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would love to play with monk and edgelord, they seem like cool people. On the one hand you have someone unafraid to call out bs, and on the other you have someone who thinks outside of the box but is willing to work with the team. Brilliant

  • @AuntLoopy123
    @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good grief that DM was dense. ALL the players are unhappy, ALL of them express their unhappiness and ALL of them share the same reason for their unhappiness, and the DM just blithely continues.
    He made the wizard the DMPC's BBEG, AND one of the other PC's BBEG, and yet he STILL insisted on "his scene," and screamed like a toddler when "his scene" didn't go the way he planned.
    What the heck did he expect? That these people were going to sit there and take it FOREVER? They were becoming visibly upset with him, TELLING him that they were upset, YELLING AT HIM about it, and QUITTING about it, and he STILL insists on doing the same stupid thing?
    Seriously, what an idiot.
    That battle, though. And "How it was done never leaves this room." I LOVE it. What a great ending, and a great role-play, too!

  • @kirkcannon8079
    @kirkcannon8079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    DM’s response to fair criticism was: “you don’t like kane? You are supposed to love him!”

  • @spookysugar
    @spookysugar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Imagine the dmpc arriving to the adventurers he's been saving trying to pry open some unknown drow's hand, grasping to the nuts of the dude who killed your whole family like he's the squirrel from ice age on crack

  • @somebody4952
    @somebody4952 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The dm's final rant is just so revealing. It would be hilarious how transparent he was if it weren't so sad what he was doing

  • @SolstaceWinters
    @SolstaceWinters 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "He was supposed to come in, save the day, and talk about how cool and tragic he was."
    The Party: "Yeah well, this time he can be the one who got here too late."

  • @MogofWar
    @MogofWar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "You know what, you've got this, I'm going home."

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whip out some popcorn to watch the show.
      "But, you haven't rolled initiative yet."
      "Doesn't matter. I already know the first scene. You bring us all to unconsciousness before we even have a single turn to do anything, and then Kane will come and clean up. I'm just waiting for the monologue. Will he say X, Y, and Z today, or have you actually come up with some new material?"

  • @Chaosmage42
    @Chaosmage42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    one thing i learned about dnd from watching your show is creating an author insert fantasy persona to play as is a good way to get everyone else pissed at you.
    DMs have to be the story teller but have to let the player be their characters, the dm sets the stage the players do the acting -mostly and the dm responds

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      pretty much this, yes

  • @SaberusTerras
    @SaberusTerras 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The only DMPC I ever ran was this unholy mishmash of character abilities that I followed the DMG's rules to construct, and ended up with a character that took inhuman amounts of XP to level. He was a crutch for the players while I learned how to balance encounters, and they quickly surpassed him. I was honest about his leveling, and let him go his own way once the PCs had reached a point where we were all in a groove.

  • @MidnightSt
    @MidnightSt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    going into DMing because you want to write books/fanfic is the same as going into gamedev because you want to make movies.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have considered using D&D to help me write a book. By playing the characters, myself, with myself as the DM, and writing down what happens. Cool story, bro. So glad you didn't bore your players to death.
      No, but seriously, the whole "Just write a book" thing doesn't really work, either, because your book should be INTERESTING. If the conclusion is guaranteed, it's not interesting.
      Sure, some players may have a certain amount of plot armor (We know Harry Potter can't die until the end of Book 7, right?), but most characters will not have plot armor, and could go at any time, so setting up the basic outline plot, and then letting the protagonist group of interesting characters work their way through, with death being an actual possibility and DIE ROLLS determining it?! That could actually be a cool novel.
      Is it too late to start NaNoWriMo? Eh, maybe I'll do it in December.

  • @alarkhar
    @alarkhar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been there had that done to me. Only difference was that the GM didn't have a DMPC, he had a favorite player who he overboosted to hell and back. Happened twice. Funny thing is, the second time the "favorite player" (the GM's own little brother) called bullshit on his stunt, rather than act as his patsy, and read him the riot act. We all appreciated that. The GM did not.

  • @TheDannyschoofs
    @TheDannyschoofs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That must've been a kick to the 'crown jewels', even the DM felt, through his npc's XD

  • @dragoncat2734
    @dragoncat2734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    'Master storycrafter' my ass... the DM was in dire need of a reality check.
    EDIT: And it came in the best form possible! YAY! :D

    • @Arcticmaster1190
      @Arcticmaster1190 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Honestly as a regular DM, I would never call myself that. Especially if you’re winning all of battles that you put in front of the players playing your game. I would get doing it ONCE, but in extremely rare circumstances or pre-established in backstory.
      But never just have an OP NPC swoop in to claim the glory. Either that guy dies or he turns out to be the villain or something, but in the end, it’s the PCs who should be the heroes of this story. That’s the essence of what I would come close to calling a “master storycrafter”

    • @dep7910
      @dep7910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Those who call themselves a "Master storycrafter" are often the ones to look out for.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Arcticmaster1190 Yeah, the only reason to take over a battle like that is because "Now I need all my characters to be over THERE, so they're going to be taken by the winner of the fight as his servants, and now they have to work together to escape. But over there."
      Or "you were all taken prisoner," sort of situation, but without them losing all their gear.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      His story is SO BORING. It's just the same episode over and over and over, with a few minor details changed.
      I bet the monologues are practically interchangeable, as well.

  • @shadowedpokefan331
    @shadowedpokefan331 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how the teifling was named after a teifling warlock named prudence from oxventure

  • @thecinnamonguy5127
    @thecinnamonguy5127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I can imagine a nat 20 in strength and The Wizard only getting a new 1. That's like he-man ripped them off.
    Death by castration 🤣🤣🤣

    • @animeotaku307
      @animeotaku307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It’s how the Dice Gods expressed their displeasure at this flavor of bullshit.

  • @RagnarokAvatar
    @RagnarokAvatar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    my DM uses a DMPC as well, but he never tries to hog the spotlight from us, instead he uses him as comic relief

    • @Nyghtking
      @Nyghtking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yup, there are correct ways to use a DMPC, like having a reason why the DMPC can't just save the party, or have the DMPC not be an all powerful character.

    • @SuperBatSpider
      @SuperBatSpider 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My DM used a DMPC who by pure luck never once landed the finishing blow and died fighting skeletons

    • @TransientWitch
      @TransientWitch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ours does the same...In fact, his DMPC spent two entire combat encounters so drugged he couldn't form words, and my Fighter had to carry him around to make sure he didn't get killed! He did get his moment though, just a couple sessions ago. He apparently had Wish scroll tucked away for emergencies...There was an emergency and that was the DM's way of stopping us being TPK'd. He used it to teleport us all away to safety and he got stuck where the villain of our story was...And now we need to piece things together, find where the villain's HQ is, and come up with either a rescue plan or a scheme to break the villain's power forever.
      It was great.

    • @pLanetstarBerry
      @pLanetstarBerry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea, yep, I got rules for when introducing a DMPC into the party, but my most important one is getting player permission first. After that I make sure they aren't too intrusive, don't outshine the party, and are made in a way that the player's keep their agency in driving the plot/making party decisions. I think the funniest incident was when in one game the party started shipping the tank DMPC with a friendly wizard NPC he'd been hanging out with, all because I wanted to temporarily write him out of the story so I'd have less bookkeeping to do while the players investigated a mystery. 🤣 Anyways, they wanted to do some matchmaking in their downtime after the mystery wrapped up, and it went hilariously well. The DMPC and NPC are dating, and I get asked in-game from the players on how they're doing.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TransientWitch nice!

  • @StormTheSquid
    @StormTheSquid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For a sec I thought this might be about me. But nope.
    I once murdered an important NPC because apparently holding a gun to his head and threatening him wasn't enough to make him stop trying to murder my party, and they were all low af, so I was done playing games. The DM tried to pull some BS game logic of "you only deal X damage" and I was like "Dude. I rolled a nat 20, point blank, aiming specifically at his head. I don't care what the rules say, there's no way he survived that." My character was arrested for murder and I was summarily booted, but I saved the party and that's all I cared about.
    This was an online 4e Zeitgeist game. I still wanna try playing that game again some day with a DM that doesn't rules lawyer himself into the trap of "fire damage underwater" and "point blank headshots don't instantly kill" logic.

    • @truekurayami
      @truekurayami 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "Point blank headshots don't intantly kill" Is something that should only come up in some very specific situations. Though "fire damage underwater" is a lot more reasonable given how it is played off for the damage source, since it doesn't matter how much water you have lava will still burn you if you touch it and so on.

    • @StormTheSquid
      @StormTheSquid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@truekurayami Fire damage as in actual fire. Like from a fire elemental.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StormTheSquid Did the DM watch a lot of SpongeBob?

    • @StormTheSquid
      @StormTheSquid 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AuntLoopy123 no clue. Never met 'em before or since.

  • @AtrusOranis
    @AtrusOranis ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know, the DM had a perfect oppertunity.
    So DMPC Kane was not given the chance to heroically swoop in and defeat his ultimate nemisis. This enrages him so much that he now swears vengence against the party, and becomes the new BBEG! But he doesn't do it overtly, but tries to use his influence to start to whittle the party's good will

  • @anionhero
    @anionhero 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Players are the main characters of the story. If a DM isn't running the game that way, they aren't worth playing with. In my current campaign, we are playing in a world that has the characters that used to be the party now being NPCs. They run the city in which the setting takes place. The players are playing new characters. Every now and again one of the players points out that his former Barbarian wouldn't have allowed a plot to happen and would have stomped out the threat. I have to remind him that the new characters are now the main characters and are the ones who have to deal with threats. The old party is now more concerned with running the city than fighting against every threat that pops up.

  • @willropa4226
    @willropa4226 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Head canon: Kane didn't want to hop into the fight after watching the wizard get black-balled due to blue-balls. Legends say he's still running in fear of the coveted "Jewel Thief".

  • @speedyspider5426
    @speedyspider5426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Always remember rule number 3 when in doubt kick them in the balls

  • @benclark8229
    @benclark8229 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A little edge goes a long way while a little frustrating Droog did not RP much he did not over edge. Also if you want to be a DM it's ok to work your old PC in but dont make them the star unless they are the BBEG. That's my opinion

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      not just an opinion, it's common consensus among most players.

    • @truekurayami
      @truekurayami 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The DM's old PC can be the star if used for the right story arcs of the party. Say the DMPC is the Party's mentor and a mission they have been on can finally be finished, the DMPC would be the star of the arc while the party gets to build bonds and outlooks as they help their mentor finish his final mission before passing on the torch. In the end you have to treat it the same way you would when you have an arc meant to put a single party member in the spotlight without excluding the rest of the party, both in how you handle it and how often it happens.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@truekurayami definitely

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@truekurayami Yeah. Especially if he serves as a quest-giver after that.

    • @Usernamesdontmatter1
      @Usernamesdontmatter1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My dms do this sort of thing often. Having former pcs come back as npcs. I even had a former character of mine be a mentor to another player's character. Cameos are great and even having them enter combat with you is a lot of fun. However it should be used sparingly and the retired pcs should never outshine the current group. I actually have to remake a wizard I ran but at a higher level cause the gm said she had plans for him to show up. Im...kinda terrified cause the wizard's personality meant he could easily turn against us if we prove to be a burden to him.

  • @noyou9379
    @noyou9379 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't personally have an issue with dmpc's helping out here and there but don't have the campaign revolve around the dmpc. It is about the players

    • @truekurayami
      @truekurayami 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's all about timing and positioning. If done right the DMPC never has to leave the scene because they feel like a proper member of the party, if done wrong well Kane is just a mild case of how it can turn out.

  • @varthalgamekiin4931
    @varthalgamekiin4931 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I actually had something similar once. DM decided to insert his own PC into our party who was basically untouchable and had a +10 to just about everything at lvl 3. Every time it was his turn, he would spend at least 3 minutes giving us this whole "he quickly scans the battlefield and, using his quick wit, deduces that the best move is," blah blah blah. Until my character died and I made a new one specifically to get back at the DM. I was a drama kid in school, so I knew what to do. Never give a drama kid an archfey warlock tiefling with the entertainer background when you've already annoyed him. It took me all of about an hour to make the DM rage quit.

  • @GreaterGrievobeast55
    @GreaterGrievobeast55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    7:07 WH-WHY COME BACk! That sucks!! I’d never be content to be that foddery! Were theres just a lack of better dms?? It’d been months I doubt nostalgia brought y’all back..maybe it was sending a message. YIRBEL LIVES! 10:48 HHAAAA! For a bland Sob droog’s alright.

    • @KenshiImmortalWolf
      @KenshiImmortalWolf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      some people will put up with anything just for the chance at D&D when the well is dry

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KenshiImmortalWolf indeed

    • @nooneinparticular5256
      @nooneinparticular5256 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I probably should have written something for that.

  • @prism1374
    @prism1374 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That one liner at the end killed me.

  • @Crim_Zen
    @Crim_Zen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That final plan took "balls."

  • @dragoredrox7493
    @dragoredrox7493 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do find it funny that this one instance broke the DM's entire campaign to where he didn't want to do it anymore

  • @AndrewMakesPuns
    @AndrewMakesPuns ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw where that slide was going - I audibly cheered when he did it lmao

  • @nooneinparticular5256
    @nooneinparticular5256 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    HOLY CRAP!! I decide to google my old DnD story one day, and I find an actual VIDEO reading it!? Holy... I'm so very humbled. Thank you.

  • @Jfreek5050
    @Jfreek5050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plot twist: Kane busts in, mid ball grab, and is like "I am here to save the... OH MY GAWD I'LL COME BACK LATER"

  • @datkhornedog899
    @datkhornedog899 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is how you play an Edgelord.

  • @calvinmiller1448
    @calvinmiller1448 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For all the bad, I give credit to the d.m. for letting the dice decide in the end and playing it out. Lost points for the freak out but for one moment he seemed reasonable

  • @nickswonderfulcorner6687
    @nickswonderfulcorner6687 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    “Hello there.”

    • @tlotro625
      @tlotro625 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      General Kenobi?

  • @johnklepadlo5329
    @johnklepadlo5329 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well that's unfortunate, especially since there was a half-orc monk.

  • @tylercurry6432
    @tylercurry6432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always keep a DMPC or two up my sleeve, but only to bail them out if they are in dire need. Kinda like Gandalf during the battle of helm's deep.

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      But Gandalf was set-up before hand. It was timely, but not completely out of the blue.
      Possibly, Tolkien wrote Helm's Deep first, realized he needed Gandalf, and went back to the draft and wrote him in. Well, wrote him going to fetch Eomer and his men, instead of being there at Helm's Deep with the rest of them, all along.

  • @jtpmdrummer
    @jtpmdrummer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dm: “use your pathetic bonus action”
    Droog: “I have no pathetic actions, what I do have are your balls”
    Iykyk

  • @PaladinGear15
    @PaladinGear15 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I played in a game before where we just made fresh level 3 characters in pathfinder because the DM had just TPK'd us by using charm person on half the party to force us to kill eachother (not how charm person works, but he blamed us anyway because it should have been easy to win), so with our brand new characters, we went to a temple, where suddenly a priest stepped out and cast circle of death on the whole party as a surprise round, suddenly we all died at once, and his response I'll never forget.
    "I can't even believe you guys! How could you die so soon already?!" and then we all quit.

  • @chuckaduck964
    @chuckaduck964 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What's that quote from batman? " the hero we need, but don't deserve"

  • @nitras2002
    @nitras2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My response to the DM's warcaster bit is me being the rules lawyer that I am and s******* on his whole plan...

    • @danielcolon979
      @danielcolon979 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you the good sort of Rules Lawyer that helps explain badly worded rules?

    • @nitras2002
      @nitras2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielcolon979 I am the rules lawyer that will try to help but will definitely screw over a party member because of something obscure... But I help with keeping track of concentration and other buff/debuffs.

  • @11SimonS11
    @11SimonS11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was brilliant!

  • @amitamaru
    @amitamaru 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A true DM would have celebrated that victory. That was a badass display of destroying the spellbook and keeping the bastard in place for the killing blow.

  • @MisterWT-vo6qz
    @MisterWT-vo6qz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only time I'm ok with an npc saving the party is when the DM realized they didn't balance correctly.

  • @MrDmitriRavenoff
    @MrDmitriRavenoff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dm NPC savior scenes are allowed exactly once every campaign, and it should be before level 5. If other, available NPC's are so much better than the PC's, they should be on the mission and we should be doing fetch quests.

    • @animeotaku307
      @animeotaku307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That or it should be set up. Like a sort of “keep the enemy at bay to buy time until reinforcements arrive.”

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@animeotaku307 Yeah, that works. It is a REAL THING from REAL LIFE.
      Just be sure to give the party their real recognition. "Oh, yeah, we took down the enemy army in the background, but without you holding this vital position, we would have been overrun at a critical point, and lost! You saved the day!"
      Actually, saving the day is a joint venture, among several parties, at several points, but YOU DID YOUR PART. Heck, have a celebration, where they recognize all the different parties who held their ground, and your party is on the list. Kind of makes the whole, "We're a small party in a big war" feel more realistic, while also satisfying.

  • @ryuuseiferretSP
    @ryuuseiferretSP 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just like my very first session. I, a bard, not knowing what HP was and I used shocking grasp on a minotaur's or something balls.

  • @torgranael
    @torgranael 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A tiefling named Prudence. I have a sudden urge to rewatch the Oxventures.

  • @bosunbill9059
    @bosunbill9059 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Druj the "edgelord" doesn't sound like a edgelord, just someone with severe social anxiety or communication problem, like poor Komi-san.

  • @gabrote42
    @gabrote42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:46 This was truly awesome already, but damn
    12:21 Man. This DM needs to write a shitty book and leave players alone. It took a double crit to make them fuck off.

  • @hunterbrown2001
    @hunterbrown2001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Warcaster doesn't allow double concentration spells

  • @NessaEllenesse
    @NessaEllenesse 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The DM sent some assassins after our party and the ranger was getting no where with intimidate. So I had my female elf with the help of the other female charater go through their inventory (yes I had some dresses with the appropriate undergarmets). My PC got help from the other female PCs.We told the DM were using whatever we could find to put together and outfit that was befitting a brothel. Then she got in the lap of one of the assains (at the time had a bunch of fey herritage feats one that gave her the use of Charm Monster 1/day) She used it on him the DM gave him a negative modifier on the will roll.

  • @Rule-be6lw
    @Rule-be6lw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Honestly after the second time the dmpc save the party I would have just said shut up I’m bleeding out I don’t want a Lecture and watch the dm get mad.

    • @michaelmorton5698
      @michaelmorton5698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "Dagger to wrist! I have +2 for desperation! I'm rolling!"

  • @Bollthorn
    @Bollthorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The rogue really picked up the ball(s) there. He really went balls out for his team. I wonder if they'll all be watching the Nutcracker at Christmas...

  • @hackcubit9663
    @hackcubit9663 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As of session 3, as combat started to prove to be yet another roflstomp, I would have told the DM "if Kane saves our group from yet another predetermined tpk, I'm dropping this campaign." That is pretty intolerable behavior from a storyteller.

  • @theinternet4431
    @theinternet4431 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the exact definition of fighting fire with fire lmao

  • @Renegadebane
    @Renegadebane ปีที่แล้ว

    If the DM is so focused on his balls and the players are still able to bust them, that's a successful campaign, inspite of bad DMing.

  • @TheEmber221
    @TheEmber221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Y'know... I did not click on this video expecting the title to be literal.

  • @JustToSaveYou
    @JustToSaveYou 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG! I used this exact tactic when I had literally nothing to use against a weretiger. So there was this angry, giant, tiger with a halfling hanging off his jewels. I made the best saves of the game that day to continue being an unholy distraction while the wizard whittled him down with cantrips. LOL

  • @Arcticmaster1190
    @Arcticmaster1190 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ooh, this story!

  • @tysondennis1016
    @tysondennis1016 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When the DM is so bad, the problem player becomes the hero.

  • @mr.cobalt1668
    @mr.cobalt1668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think Pathfinder actually has rules for grabbing an opponent's nuts- long story short it's a fort save vs nausea, which is a rather crippling status ailment.

  • @phylippezimmermannpaquin2062
    @phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought the bard in the thumbnail would be the one to do the cbt

  • @DemoClan324
    @DemoClan324 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DM: “MY SUPERCOOL DMPC KANE WAS SUPPOSED TO KILL HIM, HE WAS THE VILLIAN OF KANE’S LIFE!!!!!!!!”
    Party: “Well, this can be a “thank you” for all the times he “saved” us”

  • @alexsullivan323
    @alexsullivan323 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well this gives me an idea. I'm also a drow rogue. >:3

  • @AmusementOverlord
    @AmusementOverlord 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was amazing

  • @thechamber9
    @thechamber9 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol those are some goliath balls you got there m8.

  • @lockskelington314
    @lockskelington314 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So not all edge-lords are problem players, huh, learn something knew everyday.

  • @torgranael
    @torgranael 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm surprised the DM didn't make up some feat or other to pass the save, or fudged it outright to save their precious story.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      they probably didn't think to roll behind the screen, is my bet

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As if this "so creative master story crafter" could actually THINK of something new to do, in the moment.

  • @benkayvfalsifier3817
    @benkayvfalsifier3817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ...why do I see Taako from TV when I look at the elf?

  • @syncringe1885
    @syncringe1885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to beat an edgelord dm... Invite that one edgelord player...

  • @tazkol
    @tazkol 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    and the D&D gods commanded "get thou fucked!"

  • @DahLekKnight
    @DahLekKnight ปีที่แล้ว

    Droog doesn’t blackball; true edgelords no-ball.

  • @darklord884
    @darklord884 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As suspicious as I am with this story (especially from the NAT 20 - NAT 1 combo making it sound like a "That happened" story) it really is a fun little thing. Especially the "But how it was done never leaves this room." part.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      let's be honest, true story or not, that line is gold!

    • @darklord884
      @darklord884 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@willparry530 As I already said, in full agreement with you. The story is still dubious, but that line is funny.

    • @willparry530
      @willparry530 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darklord884 Indeed :D

    • @AuntLoopy123
      @AuntLoopy123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The odds are low, but I have seen miracles like that.
      RNGesus was looking down and saying, "You are NOT a Master Storycrafter! Thou shalt not bore the players!"

    • @darklord884
      @darklord884 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AuntLoopy123 To be honest, I have had a session when the barbarian's only nat 20 was when he was brainwashed to attack a partymember, so I know that stuff like this happens, but it is unlikely.

  • @K_i_t_t_y84
    @K_i_t_t_y84 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Work smarter, not harder! 😂