not excusing his behaviour whatsoever but his parents being like "oh you failed one year of grade school? hope you like 10 years of rigorous chinese opera academy" is insane and kind of explains why he's so addicted to work and making money.
to then impose that on his own kids completely invalidates any sympathy we should have for him Sympathy should only be given to whoever breaks that cycle
Since I was little, he reminded me of my Chinese dad. His smile felt so real and genuine. He could be silly and jolly. But right around the corner was his anger and cruelty. No one was allowed to disobey him.
I'm not even Asian (funnily enough though, they did say I DID look Asian as a baby and in certain moments when I was younger XD)... I know the feeling. Hang in there lads/lasses.
sounds like my dad too. he is known as a Christian good guy by my relatives, his peers, everyone outside home. only i can see his true image. i was physically and mentally abused by him when i was the a kid, i am the eldest son, and he thinks that's discipline. he is condescending and has a god complex the way he treats me. now he questions me why i don't talk to him anymore. he even owes me a large amount of money back when i was in my previous job but he conveniently forgot about it. i cut ties to him and set boundaries. i'm breaking this generational trauma!
damn i really wanna know the tl:dr of this video.. she probably did a good job and she's cool but i feel like i cant watch the whole thing.. so can you explain me in a brief way :0
I knew about some of this stuff (mostly the stuff w his daughter) but what I feel like really cemented his human fallibility in my mind was Michelle Yeoh calling him a male chauvinist. It’s so clear in that original interview that she’s not joking, she’s being 100% honest, and she’s not even trying to be harsh; she makes her respect for him as an experienced performer and a peer in her field clear, but it’s obvious she has no intention of not calling him out just because they’ve known each other so long (something a lot more people in those industries could stand to do!). Whenever she brings it up, the interviewers are always SO clearly uncomfortable, but she’s got so much poise in those moments. She’s careful about what she says but she’s not holding back, either. The fact that someone who knows him so well and even has some amount of affection for him can be that upfront about his behavior always spoke volumes to me.
Having people who don't sugarcoat your worst behaviours close to you is the greatest type of people you could have as colleagues/friends. Personally I'd fucking hate to be around a bunch of meat riding ass kissers.
Lol, Yeoh. The casting couch princess is no one to judge Jackie Chan. Ask her which communist leader's bed she warmed tonight instead of passing jealous comments about her co-stars. She's lucky that Jackie Chan has a lot more class than her and hasn't really revealed her antics behind the scenes.
Hes chinese, how is that even surprising? Thats like being surprised that a man born in saudi arabia is misogynistic. China is the country that calls unmarried women above a certain age "leftover women". This is why im bothered when people act like the US is the worst place social politically when most of the world lags far behind us on these issues
A year ago I did a deep dive on him when news of his paternity and the inheritance he was NOT leaving his children spread. He also flung his 2 yr old across the room in a drunken stupor I was baffled. He's no different than all the other abusive, adulterous and alcoholic men in Hollywood.
A lot of people have similar problems, the only thing different is that because they are celebrities, their lives are shown and their mistakes are shown for public scrutiny.
I remember seeing a Conan O’Brien interview and he talked about being sent off to the opera house school ( it was promoting his book, My Life In Action) and how his parents only showed him affection after he became wealthy, not excusing anything JC has done, but no wonder he’s a bad parent.
it really sucks because jackie had such a family friendly persona i loved him so much as a kid. he was always a comfort-actor for me because of his roles that emphasized his love for children and fatherly nature. finding out the way he treated his family completely broke my parasocial image of him since my early childhood.
As someone had said, first and foremost Jackie Chen is an actor, and a good actor at that.. But it doesn't mean his character in whatever movie he starred in was really his true personality.. I did my fair share of disappointment after the truth and reality of actors or actresses true personality had revealed after some digging..
I befriended a Chinese girl at university that said she did not like Jackie Chan, and that baffled me, because I thought EVERYBODY liked Jackie Chan. I was ignorant. It turned out she knew more about the actor's shenanigans than I did.
the biggest moment for me was finding out he’d purposefully humiliate his girlfriend in front of her colleagues because of his ego & spending thousands a day on his bros while two women were raising his children in a completely different continent
@@bigbodykarate6403 no, the weird part is wanting spend thousands on other random men, and none on your family. Yall mfers be gay as hell, just go be gay! You're either actually slow or pretending to miss the point
True. I frikkin love Michael Jordan the basketball player and he will always be my GOAT but he's a complete POS off the court. For example, If I could get an autograph of him right now I would take the chance but if he's being a dick and won't do it then I won't force the issue. That still won't negatively affect how I view him as a basketball player.
Eh, I think that's a generalization that ends-up excusing bad actors for their choices by pretending there's something inherent to their position that forces them to be awful. In reality, and while there are lots of assholes out there, both secret and not, there are also tons of thoroughly-decent people. The difference is that you don't tend to hear about the decent ones, because it's a "man bites dog" situation; where's the news in a celebrity simply living their values and being a good person? And while bad news is inherently more sensational, the fact that it does seem to be, to a degree, the exception is proof of the rule I'm implying; lots of people are generally good. It's not that surprising, when you think about it; "treat people with respect" honestly isn't that hard, and is frequently even the most self-interested strategy, particularly in longer-term aspects.
@@michaelccozens yeah because most people like to generalize things. It is said don't meet your Heroes because they're humans and they'll let you down they might not mean to let you down but they will let you down because they're humans
As a Hong Konger, it is always bewildering to see people on the internet hold Jackie Chan in such a high regard because (for us) him being a horrible PERSON has been public knowledge for years now
@@tse4730 where did i even write the word "HATE"? Or when did I "speak on behalves of HongKongers whether HongKongers like Jackie Chan or not"? You can like/dislike a person whether they are hble or not, but holding them in such high regards? That's the frustration I was trying to express. Also aren't you so cool to know SO MANY friends in HongKong that you can get informed on the general consensus? You really grinded my gear with your dumbass illiterate take. Maybe next time try to pause and think for a moment first before you try to open your stupid mouth and yap.
@@Seth9809 I think he's good at what he does in films but I don't really have any disposition towards him 'cause I feel like we don't really hear about him much
No matter what Jackie Chan could never take on EEAO atleast in this universe because of the gay themes and his own personal story with his gay daughter. Plus also that China would not have allowed the film to screen in china with the gay theme, and taking this role would have made him look bad with CCP
Jackie chan is a perfect example of not fixing with whats broken, has all this money, but doesn't have the energy to spend quality time and support with his kids. Even at his age, he aint even wise. Smh
I agree with you but crap family like kids and wives tend to sit back and drag husbands down happens all the time in it western society. I agree if he is not trying to spend time with them divorce her but he probably doesn't want that legal trouble. It's not a man's responsibility to always deal with shyt and stick around!!
As an immigrant, it's always sad to see people who share the same type of struggle as you in the US not reach the standards you impose on yourself to seem worthy of living here. But that shows that you shouldn't overvalue one person as the perfect image of what an immigrant should be. I love this video!
I know American's don't respect it today due to being selfish and ignorant, but the Statue of Liberty says, ""Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." You are already worthy. We are a country of immigrants, descendants of the abused and the controlled, of the weary and the weak but together and only together are we strong. I hope you will feel welcome and worthy one day, because according to that statue, any and all who needs us are worthy.
I remember seeing a short video of him complaining that his son doesn’t respect him as much as he likes when he’s at home. It set off warning bells in my head and I was wondering if he was an absent father. Pretty sad to see that it’s true
You’re dead on about Jackie Chan seeming goofy and harmless to Americans, who dehumanize and infantilize him due to the cheerful persona and accent. That’s what I always did anyway. I’m trying to unlearn some biases recently
I think that’s really great that you can recognize things about yourself or your mindset that need work. I feel similarly and am working on unlearning bias I hold as well.
Same here. I won’t deny that is exactly how I saw him, mostly for his seemingly happy and funny persona. And of course as a kid I thought he was like a hero. Because I’m Asian, And I really was proud of fictional Asian heroes. Hope we can all work through this. Wish you best of luck truly!
You clearly don't know what the term infantalize means. Just because you're taken in by someone's charisma doesn't mean you're deeming them incapable of agency.
great video. I think you’re so right that people infantilize him and just see “funny asian guy” with nothing below the surface - it’s super racist - this was very illuminating
@@haileybalmer9722this is it for me. Ke huy playing a soft spoken optimist just trying to keep his family together works SO much better than if that had been Michelle as Jackie's wife. She's an amazing lead don't get me wrong, but I think the gender inversion of stereotypes where it's the mother who is stern and the father who is silly and accommodating and frightened works SO much better to reinforce the themes of the movie. They really stumbled into the best possible outcome.
What the absolute f* was the Daniels thinking???? Making a movie about a lesbian daughter being ostracised by her family and trying to have Jackie as the lead after what he did to his lesbian daughter??? F* atrocious and unforgivable.
You mean daughter being disowned for being lesbian? She was already disowned before she was even born. She herself admitted that she didn't have a father and is happy with her mother but then made it seem like she had never received love from either parents since a young age and even said she grew up in abuse. Furthermore spreading the lie that she was abandoned for being lesbian, when her own mother even came out to tell her to just go to work instead of trying to have it easy using the fame of the father that she doesn't admit as her own father. I'd say she's not any better.
I don’t remember hearing her ever asking for money from Jackie. All she said was it would be nice to have a supportive dad. Obviously she’s not happy to be homeless but that doesn’t mean she’s selfish. Any homeless person would want to get out of that situation, and unfortunately, it is not easy.
Are we surprised? Most, not all celebrities, aren't good people as they have been proven to be abusers among other things. I remember he was in a relationship with Teresa Teng, who I would love for you to cover as I don't think many people have covered her. That relationship wasn't the healthiest as they had different personalities and Jackie played mind games with her. After reading that, I can't help but feel bad for Teresa. While Teresa is no longer here to share her story with him, she deserves better. People need to stop seeing these people as moral compasses.
"Most" is doing a lot of work there with very little support, and I'm concerned that making such baseless assumptions actually gives bad actors an excuse for their choices that they do not deserve. Yes, you hear about a lot of awful people, but consider the pool from which said cases are drawn; it's absolutely massive. And of course you don't hear much about the decent people, because where's the sensation in "Keanu Reeves is a good guy again today"? You're also in danger of creating the impression that being decent and treating people with respect is somehow a high or difficult bar, and it really isn't. Yes, it takes some work. No, it's not fucking rocket science or a particularly-onerous task, but dealing with the consequences of poor behaviour sure can be both. I think you should consider why you're so eager to give abusers cover in this manner, especially as it's clearly not a fact-based position.
@@michaelccozens You are so unbearably self-righteous that you have to scold a person who obviously agrees with everything you said. This is why we can't have nice things. The world is full of frauds.
Yes, we are because IDK bro is in china like North Korea where they don't cover that much negativity or let it be leaked as much over here until we do find out eventually years later... It's just something to see and witness when it comes out and I do go like "wow that's crazy" when it comes put because I honestly never expected that much crazy stuff from the guy IRL, yeah everyone makes mistakes growing up, and you're suppose to learn from them but this was just unfortunate at all hands here. You can't always go saying that well this is like everyone blah blah blah, I mean do we know them personally? No, and that means it could be anything that happens from onward.
Not taking responsibility for a child you've fathered out of wedlock is the lowest. Absolute garbage. That kid didn't ask to be born, and their life is already going to be more difficult because of the circumstance of their birth.
so we not going to mention the baby mother in this? her lack of birth control or the fact she knew she was a side chick, so a mistress and having a baby,,,, so he didn't get trapped and we mad? why have a kid with someone who is never going to marry you or be a parent that should be the real question!
@@vanyadolly I have no issue with women liking me I don't need to pander like you must. I'm being real. A woman getting pregnant by a celebrity she knows is married is stupid. Or let me guess you are on of those that think women should trap celebs and celebrate it?
tbh I think what really soured me on Jackie Chan in recent memory was him filming a movie in a part of war torn Syria edit: youtube won't show my replies, but luckily someone else also explained, but just in case: Syria is in an active civil war where its regime overwhelmingly targeted civilians with extensive proof of war crimes. The place where jackie chan filmed Home Operation was on top of the rubble of destroyed civilian homes of Damascus which is currently in the control of the regime.
@@garaj1 It was for a movie about the evacuation of Chinese citizens during the Yemen war. The problem here is that he chose to film on top of the rubble of homes that were destroyed during the ongoing Syrian civil war where citizens were overwhelmingly and brutally targeted by the regime. Damascus, where the film was shot, is controlled by the dictatorship, and there is an entire industry of unethical travel vlogs trying to whitewash their war crimes.
@@garaj1 Is a Chinese patriotic action film like wolf warrior, set in Yemen, filmed in a destroyed Syrian city, the film is produced by Jackie Chan, it comes out next year, there is not even an trailer yet.
@@garaj1yep he filmed in a warm torn part of Damascus in war torn buildings. And the movie was about the evacuation of Chinese nationals from Yemen in 2015. Another war torn country. The movie is called Home Operation
Jackie Chan became popular in the US due to a well-crafted public persona. He would talk about his old-time Hollywood heroes (including vaudeville actors and silent film stars like Buster Keaton) and had Hollywood friends talking about his demands on film sets as just him being a "hard worker." He never spoke of his home life or political beliefs, just focused on entertaining and went out of his way to build this reputation as a happy-go-lucky guy that was a friend to everybody. I do remember when his son had the drug bust and it was almost universally reported as a nasty, spoiled brat thinking he could do whatever he wanted because he had a famous dad. All we saw from Jackie Chan was him being humble and regretful that it had happened, playing the part perfectly. If you wanted to see anything real about him, you had to be either in the industry or enough of a superfan to read his books because no one would talk about him. Jackie Chan was untouchable, as many Hollywood stars could be if they worked hard enough at suppressing the truth. That said, I find it better never to know the real lives of celebrities, as it will ruin any enjoyment of the entertainment they produce.
The story about his daughter is heartbreaking. She truly deserves better. I hope she stays stable and has people she can rely on around her. I would feel embarrassed, if my child was homeless and it was publically known that I did nothing to support her, even though I could. It also seems like Jackie hasn’t really suffered the consequences of his own misdeeds for a very long time. Like… you don’t atone for an affair by punishing the child that was born out of that affair.
Why do people insist that an affair is something to atone for? When I got my affair partner pregnant, I just told my wife at the time I wanted a divorce and left her to be with my AP. My ex and I worked out a custody agreement, she got remarried, and everything turned out fine. If people gave me and my new partner a hard time for our affair, I told them to suck eggs and mind their own business.
@@Firguy_the_Foot_Fetishistwow I wonder why ppl think that cheating on your spouse for a fling that will last 1 year at the most and will of course end with you also being cheated on is bad
I never thought the 'nice guy' Jackie Chan could really be so devoid of empathy, but here we are. I imagine his childhood had something to do with that.
Most males are sociopaths. HOW haven't the average woman made this connection. Human history is full of violence, conquest, genocide, etc and NOT by the hands of women 95.9 percent of the time!
Right the vast majority of abusers criminals and narcissists are the way they are due shitty childhood. We can't excuse all of them and treat their victims as collateral damage. Plus there's tons of people who had unthinkable things happen in their childhood but chose to be good and protect others instead so clearly its a choice these people are making to be vile, if it wasn't then EVERYOne who went through trauma would be evil.@@angelaholmes8888
I remember as a kid, I had this weird constant fear of Jackie Chan turning old. I think it was because he was my favorite actor and I never wanted him to stop making movies. Little did I know that that fear would be rationalized for an entirely different reason.
EXTREMELY well done video! Thoroughly researched, beautifully articulated, easy to follow. As an Asian person myself, I really wish more Asian youtubers like you would get the views and engagement you deserve. You deserve +1M subs!!!
That's an interesting perspective. I agree that children aren't to be “owned” But that's interesting how you feel the phrase “having children” or have children means “ownership.”
I say we should meet our idols so that we see them as humans who are flawed like human being generally are. Why worship when you can learn from the greyness that is humanity?
The fact my own shitty Dad is a big fan of Chan to this day, seems fitting. There's a disturbing normalisation for a lot of men in that generation for their public persona to be this squeaky clean, wholesome amd friendly facade while their behaviour in their peivate and intimate lives is disturbing, abusive and/or downright cruel. Or, at least, thats been something I've noticed.
I wonder the reason why he rejected EEAO was because of the gay themes and his own personal story with his daughter. Plus also that China would not have allowed the film to screen in china with the gay theme.
@@tse4730 Ok and even if he wasn't shooting that or the directors waited for him to finish shooting, which was possible given most quick shooting in china, i still don't think he would have accepted that role because of the gay daughter theme and reality, plus we already saw the film not getting passing ccp censorship to release in china. So you think he who is a traditionalist who really likes the current government would have taken this movie? I think it was a little naive of the directors to even consider him.
@@RollingCalf that’s an opinion and a perfectly valid one to hold. Not all movies are for everyone. I personally loved it and found it very engaging and entertaining, but you are entitled to your differing opinion.
Man, I have known about Jackie Chan’s shitty views and behavior for a while, but I’ve always had difficulty confronting it due to the fact that I idolized him as a kid. Thanks for condensing all this into a single video because this would have been so painful to research. This video makes a genuinely great point about famous artists. I know it’s irresponsible to put any person on a pedestal, but that’s hard to understand when you’re six years old and said person is a martial arts movie star. And like don’t get me wrong as an old Hollywood nerd I’m used to my faves being shitty people, but I wasn’t obsessed with Carry Grant in second grade lmao. EDIT: Holy shit Everything Everywhere all at Once would not have been nearly as good with Jackie in the lead.
What old hollywood movies should I watch? I'd kind of like to try a noir detective film, but one which is a bit surprising maybe, for example one with a female character with depth and personal motives. I think the only movie I've watched from the 60's is The Batman 1966 with Adam West.
Jackie Chan holds a complicated grip upon me because I love his body of work outside of the U.S. I vividly remember having Hong Kong friends back in college in the early 2000s sharing how much Jackie was reviled over there because he's uber known to be a sex fiend. I was in denial of course, but the older I got, the more news I heard and then whammo, the heel turn was complete. Or maybe it wasn't a heel turn, it was just the truth. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about him here.
@@Neku628dunno if that's comparable, Bill Cosby was a serial rapist while with Jackie Chan we don't have any indicators of whether any of his encounters weren't consensual
Or he’s just human who did good and bad things! He also was put in a situation we could never imagine from 6 years old but still managed to do mo the good than bad in his position.
the problem is when you admire someone parasocially you tend to forget that theyre human beings that could have flaws. like people treat mr beast, the rock, kevin hart like they are brands and not people. Like characters in video games or movies. i find it so dumb when people get surprised when a celebrity has had problems or makes a mistake. its like they all went "omg he is a human with flaws, how shocking." it's like they've never had an intimate connection with anyone in their lives that isnt a celebrity theyve never met
I really loved Jackie Chan when I was a kid, he was basically my first action movie star who was approved by my mom. His movies were action packed and "kid friendly violent". Doesn't change the fact there was still violence in his movies, but at least it wasn't mindless bloodshed. To most point I wanted to say "Yes, but..." but it was internally followed up with an "Oh I see". He really is not a good person :/
He's very good at the action-comedy approach, which is a tough combination for people to get right because you have to be both an action star and a physical comedian. Unfortunately, talent and skill aren't enough to make people good in their personal lives.
@@shroobify Buster Keaton is probably one of the most inspirational cinema figures to influence Hollywood martial arts films besides martial arts itself.
I studied abroad at a language school in Japan, and I made a lot of friends from hong Kong. And all of them hated Jackie chan. And I was shocked. And that was when I learned why. And how different it was from what I thought.
@@bobbob-vw4cc Idk bro I think you should learn to read, OP said that they studied abroad at a language school in japan, and in their time there they've made a lot of friends who come from "hong kong", emphasis on they came from "hong kong"....did you get it now?😂
JACKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! (Ki, ki, ki) There's nothing this girl can say to make me dislike Jackie Chan. Yes, I know about some of the things people don't like him for, but honestly, NONE of those things are a big deal AT ALL. Just because someone has personal beliefs and makes mistakes in their life doesn't mean I'm going to discard them as a person. Jackie Chan is fkn awesome
@@treenincove1726um ok?? She was never trying to get you to dislike him Everyone decides for themselves and she is just expressing her feelings To you they might not be a big deal but for others it might be People are different yk
@@treenincove1726 Chill, she literally says at the end of the video that she's not trying to make anyone hate him. That said, if you think that someone who throws a 2yo child across a room out of anger is awesome, I don't ever want to meet you in person.
Nepo-Baby vs Boot-Straps. What exactly is the right thing to do when you’re a parent. Personally I feel like too many boomers want to hoard their wealth and not care about leaving things behind for their offspring. But people hate and despise nepotism and unearned money and merit.
I think its a balance of pushing your kids towards independence but giving them the space to fail. I've never had a good relationship with my parents but I'm thankful that they didn't spoil me with their money and expected me to be an independent thinker and provider. That being said I want that fucking mansion and they should gimme it because I'm the special boy.
I don’t think it’s wrong to give our kids a safety net to fall back on. Yes money can lead to spoiling but so can other actions and choices. I feel like the trend of celebrities saying they’re leaving their kids nothing feels weird to me, I mean if you made an enormous fortune sure do other incredible things with it but I don’t think anyone’s going to judge you for making sure you leave enough for your kids to have a comfortable life. There’s things people can pursue only when they’re comfortable and the trend in America seems to be to no longer try to achieve security for the next generation but instead to screw them over and make them start from scratch again because they apparently had to? It’s a really weird mindset and trend that seems to becoming more common. We’re supposed to want better for the future not worse.
@lisahoshowsky4251 I definitely agree. I'm planning on living with my parents so that my kids can have grandparents to rely on. Mine were pretty terrible parents, but I think they'd be fantastic grandparents. I want to give myself the space to be a whole person while also attending to their needs, and ultimately, I'm going to need a lot of help to make that happen. My parents worked constantly and didn't have anyone watching us which did make me independent but also caused a lot of other issues. I want to take the best pieces of that and do a better job.
Meh. As a parent, all you can do is give them support when they're kids and hope for the best. If they choose to waste their potential, that's on them. My money is my money. If they want a better life, they better work for it.
I appreciate Lin for making this vid and the info she presents but to be fair Jackie Chan DESERVES CREDIT for being very honest about his faults and vices in his own memoir. Most celeb memoirs are not as honest as that.
Agree and this video is kind of meh tbh. He is a star but not a good family man, so what? He at least is honest and doesn't try to deceive people with a false perfect image, sometimes that is enough.
@@moon_orbit Being self aware that you're a bad person while actively continuing to be a horrible human being is just as bad if not worse than trying to hide the it. Knowing that what you're doing is wrong and putting in no effort to make amends isn't somehow better
My brother in Christ, saying "I'm a piece of shit but I'm honest about it" still makes you a piece of shit. I loved Jackie Chan for 20 years but just because I didn't know he's such a turd.
@@moon_orbit Orrrrr people can be disappointed by having had a completely different image of him. That's okay too. No one's saying that he personally lied about his relationships.
I'll definitely still be able to watch/enjoy his movies, but this video will help separate who he is on screen and who he is in private. Ultimately, this story seems to me to be a great example of how having a great publicist and some natural charisma can make people think whatever you like
I’m not Asian, but the moment I found out he was anti Hong Kong and Taiwan and didn’t respect their sovereignty, I lost any respect I had. Then I found out about his family relationship, and that pushed me further in my dislike of him. I still like the Shanghai Noon/Knight films but I’m really not a fan of him.
Also Jackie Chan Adventures was amazing!!! He’s clearly so talented and does work very hard. And of course no one deserves to experience racism. But I don’t think disappointing quite covers how I feel about his views. He’s free to have those views, but there’s no debating how harmful they are, especially considering his influence. I agree on his family relationships being a result of his own experiences growing up. I think I read somewhere that Shanghai Knights was kind of like a rekindling of his and his father’s relationship. If I remember correctly, the photo Jackie shows of what is suppose to be him and his father, is a real photo. It’s sad what he must have experienced and how that affected him moving forward but still… and by far, it’s definitely not an excuse for how he treated a toddler.
20:08 Yes! This needs to be talked about more. We need to stop excusing and infantilizing adults from other countries when they are acting problematic. I feel that people ether assume they must be dumb or that being a jerk is "normal" in their home country. All this, "Aw, they don't know any better." or, "It's normal where they're from! Their culture is different!" or, "Well, it's okay. That's just how people from their country acts! It's their culture!" is so awful, and arguably xenophobic too. My dad is an Asian immigrant (not Chinese though). He is just as rational, caring, intelligent, and capable of reason as any of his western peers. He and other non-western adults know better, and if he acts like an asshole, I'd be pissed if someone told me, "Haha well he's Pakistani. What do you expect?" or, "Aw, how can some little goofy Pakistani guy with a goofy accent be a bad guy?" Having an accent or being non-white doesn't make you less intelligent.
It’s interesting and maybe worth discussing that different countries have different reactions like what you were talking about. Like some random dude from Russia speaking in broken English has a different vibe than a dude from Kenya or France or China or Pakistan in America. I feel as though Americans might infantilize some countries’ people more than others. They may have baseline positive or negative vibes from them based on those countries and the political leaning of the American doing the perceiving. What do you think about this?
You make a good point about calling out bad behavior regardless of culture. The problem is depending on the person. Let's say if a white person called out a person for problematic they would be called racist or "forcing their Western ideals on a person of color". Even if they make a good point about why what that is doing is bad. Sadly there are people online who will defend assholes and attack the rational person. In short call outs aren't easy.
As a Jackie Fan that watched both his Honk Kong and US films and even that abomination with Pierce Brosnan (The Foreigner?), it was sooo disappointing to find all this out. I understand his workaholism since it's how I grew up, but like the serial cheating being an awful dad was just deflating. If it's any consolation, a lot of people grew up to model themselves on his facade and not his real self.
In regards to his kids I think in Jackie’s mind that if he’s able to be as successful as he is from working hard enough with little to no help then his kids can too or maybe the parenting style he grew up with that made him adopt such a mentality and work ethic helped him so he wishes to show that to his kids to learn from it the way he did either way he has to help his kids out with the bare minimum at least.
I saw Jackie Chan once at the party for invited celebrities after the movie at Disney’s El Capitan Theatre for the premier of his movie, a rather silly remake of Around the World in 80 Days. I was one of the workers at the theater. His demeanor was aloof and unfriendly to the little people like me. He did a good job of making us feel like the pee-ons we, well, actually were. Arrogance and contempt for others just seemed to radiate out of him. At the same party was Jodie Foster with her children. I said to her as they were leaving, “Thank you for coming.” She replied very graciously and warmly with a beautiful smile, “Thank you.” I always had a crush on Jodie and after that meeting, I would still marry her in a heartbeat even though she is lesbian. On the other hand, I would not care to meet Jackie Chan ever again even if he were to identify as a woman and get enough plastic surgery to become the most beautiful female in the world. He just fails as a human in my book. That’s not even considering his opposition to the freedom, democracy, and self-determination rights of the 23 million people in Taiwan, which is the home I have now returned to.
Great video, and thank goodness Michelle Yeoh got the Everything, Everywhere role. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to watch Yes, Madam and Police Story 3 again.
Thank you Chayenne for binging up this issue that many of us with Chinese heritage have struggled with. Jackie Chan has been a controversial figure for us, especially in Taiwan for his involvement with the CCP, we loved him for his iconic roles in Hollywood films but in the more recent years his more personal and political viewscame to light. The majority of the Western audience have yet to caught on to his views and I thank you for bringing this to the attention to some of them.
English is not his first language and also, like all socialist states, the People's Republic of China has developed some sort of siege mentality that is all too warranted when you remember what "freedom" - such as economic laissez-faire - did to the Soviet Union.
During the height of attention on Hong Kong, Jackie Chan was called out for supporting China and it was ridiculous how many people tried to infantilize him. Like “oh he probably doesn’t know as a Chinese citizen, the censorship there is so strict after all!” Like no one wanted to believe he is maliciously for the colonization of other countries. I think anybody who isn’t indoctrinated to imperialist values or prioritizes their own self interests wouldn’t have done what he did.
Wonderful analysis! Despite his kids' questionable personal lives, I feel like they deserve to have at least something (especially his daughter who was in poverty). Although I'm glad that he shows regret and concern for his past actions, he still doesn't seem like wonderful guy they represented on the screen. He seems greedy, over-ambitious, and putting his work WAY before his own family. That's quite the polar opposite of his TV persona (with the exception of the violent part).
Thanks for making this honest video about Jackie. I grew up on Jackie too since the late 90's, though as boy, (and a non-asian) I wasn't forced and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Honestly for years I didn't even know he was married AND had kids, that were born, and raised here in the U.S. since he never really mentioned them. So when his autobiography came out, it made sense. Though I did know about his parents forcing him to live with strangers. I'm not sure if he's actually pro-china, since a lot of Hong Kong actors have said similar things (to keep their jobs and not get censored I think). Donnie Yen's a good example of an actor who bends over backwards with pro-china and anti-western films, even today. Anyways, we can still enjoy Jackie's films, even if our perceptions of the man may have changed. Again thanks for the video!👍
Well that's upsetting. I haven't really followed martial arts movies since I had to retire due to disability, but it was Jackie who got me into filmmaking and choreography. Initially Jet Li and Van Damme got me into martial arts but Jackie got me into the craft. Super disappointing to know this stuff. Super glad he passed on Everything Everywhere, what we got with Michelle Yeoha nd Ke Huy Quan was sublime and Jackie could only have made it different and less good. I'd rather see more of Ke Guy Quan ^_^
Jackie Chan was the only celebrity that I wanted to meet for over a decade. I admired him so much. Once I learned he cut his gay daughter off for being gay, I was so heavily disappointed. I’m back to not wanting to meet a single celebrity.
It was not for being gay it was because she was a bastard child of an affair (not saying it’s right). You would be surprised but more cultures around the world don’t accept the gay community
aligning actors with their roles is so weird, like yeah he plays a nice goofy guy but that is exactly that *a play* if he is a good actor then who he is while playing doesn't mean shit. actors aren't themselves but creations and I think people forget that a lot
12:10 no, he said he made a mistake that EVERY man would make, it angered the public when he came out with that non apology Also, hong kongers born as late as the 80s do believe they are Chinese but mostly with ethnicity connotation instead of the political affinity we know today.
I follow some other channels that have suggested that Jackie Chan is actually a terrible person, and this video just rounds out that conclusion. I'm sad to say it, he's always played such likeable characters and I heard he was cool to his fans, but fuck right off with the abandoning of your children.
I was disappointed when I learned more and more about him, as I became an adult and the internet became a common household tool. Of course, back then and up through till around the #MeToo Movement, you really couldn't talk about these things, because we were still under the belief amongst the majority that celebrities were sacred beings free of human limitations & consequence. The icing on the cake was his response to Michelle Yeoh during Everything Everywhere All At Once. I grew up loving both of them since the early-90's, when you could only find most of their movies at flea markets. Although, Jackie Chan was never a hero of mine, he stood for a level of ethos and morality that sadly was not attainable for a single, flawed human being. They say, "never meet your heroes." However, I think it's more apt to "never make your heroes."
Back then when I heard about he not wanting to give wealth to his son, I felt that it was weird but didn't think too much of it at that time. Fast forward now, it became one of many red flags that Jackie is not like what I thought he is in public.
he doesn't want to give his wealth to his children because he want to leave them for charity. he seen how REAL poverty and disaster hurt people who really don't have a means to recover. his logic is his children has a full body, they can make their own living. however, there are people who can't, and he decided those would be the people he care for. there is alot of biasness some people had against him because of their own political agenda. they don't bother to really explain why he made those decision and cherry pick their point. chan has always led in the entertainment industry to support charity work. yet despite that is such a big part of his life, it is never mention. don't you find that odd?
It is interesting to watch this video and i am surprised to know he seems to be really popular around 2000s overseas. To me, a hongkonger currently in my 30s, he was popular in the 80s and 90s. He was more like a powerful notorious weird old man in the industry who had poor conduct and often touched girls inappropriately than a hero in my childhood memory.
He made four or so big hits in the US but he is largely seen as a has been in America. Most of his movies are straight to DVD and of those I think all but one was made in China.
He is not a caring person. Perhaps because he was not cared about by loving parents. So he learned to use the world and everyone in it. But I'm more impressed by the last statements of this episode. It is not easy to let go of the learned perceptions that we are all taught about people from countries not your own. Entire cultures are wrongly demonized, because of skin color or religion. And who benefits from the separation that comes from taught racism, colorism, and sexism? Nothing will change until talk becomes action. I don’t have the answers but letting go of some fear has to be part of understanding.
Yeah, this is why I prefer not to know much about living famous people's personal lives. I mean, it's cool when you hear them talking publicly about important issues, but often, they happen to be very flawed humans (or simply the worst). Recently I innocently googled MIA, thinking "I wonder if she have released a new album" and the first search result was her being antivaxx and tweeting about she believing there are nanobots in the vaccines.
It's too bad he really isnt the nurturing father figure we've seen in countless films, the most recent one of which was Teenage Mutant Turtles: Mutant Mayhem. I really enjoyed that movie and I'll continue to love it, but not because of him.
are you really surprised that the guy who created amazing cinema with countless broken bones, isn't the best father figure? put it into perspective. he's at the top of his game. (Un)fortunately off-spring isn't entitled to the parent's fortune while they're still alive (if not generational, which is so rare anyway).
@@eamonndeane587 I mean does it really matter? I doubt many people are genuinely going to care and go on intensive research on the cast and even more so on their ethnic background
I do agree with most of the points you brought up. However, I think his views on politics is taken with little context. He grew up in HK during the imperial rule of the British. He along with his family and friends were treated like second class citizens. Why wouldn't he push for better relationships with the mainland after unification? It was obvious that most of the turmoil and riots were pushed by the CIA and other western countries. Was this for freedom? Of course not. They didn't push for it prior to 1997 so why would they care now? Why would Jackie Chan work with them to destabilize HK? That doesn't make any sense.
In 1997 we didn't know Wolf Warrior diplomacy was going to be a thing. Besides, if Jackie Chan is not as popular in Hong Kong as he is in the West, why should his opinion matter more than the people of Hong Kong?
This is honestly why I never understood worshiping entertainers and other famous people. We do not know these people. We just know their artistic/athletic skillset.
He’s not that bad, he’s just not perfect! People act like celebrities are perfect god like beings and when they make human mistakes like the rest of us, it’s gets blown out of proportion. People act like he’s bull Cosby or something
@@matttheamerican3766 Please stop with this false equivalency bull crap. Women don't abandon their children at the rate that men do, and that is a fact. Men love to tote on about how men and women are different, but when it's something that may make the male sex look bad, it's the "well, women do it too" justification."
@@chimpwimp9407 dude could have said parents that abandon their children but chose to slight only scummy men and not scummy women as if its a some one sided issue. Comments like that skew the issue and muddy the waters of progress. You clearly dont know what whataboutism even means. I guess your name is correct
@@matttheamerican3766 This is clearly supposed to be about Jackie Chan and not scummy celebrities in general. If that were the case then you would be right.
It is pretty wild to learn this about the guy because someone mistook an actress in that clip as his real-life daughter. Having someone chime in and go, "Actually, that man's a menace."
I kinda agree on the money part with Jackie. I mean, Jaycee should work for his own money yes, but, his father can and should help him when things aren't going well (all parents should help their kids when needed).
In Peru every kid and even adult called him "Uncle Jackie", because we felt as if he was everyone's family (family is very important here and we have never called any actor that way). We did not infantilize him, but we saw him as this cool dude you'd want as family...
I actually knew the stuff about his daughter. I read about it somewhere and that was def when the bloom was off the rose for me. But a good amount of this stuff I never knew, (I knew about the misogyny too) although i did know about his support of China's authoritarian regime and the crackdowns on the protestors there.
My family and I were huge fans of Jackie Chan. Growing up I always watched his movies when it was played in national television with my family members. I even had a knack to try to pull of some kung fu moves that Jackie did in the movies. He was cemented as household name in my country, everyone just loves his movies and entertained by his works. When my family discovered the fact that Jackie was not a good guy that we didn't really care since we liked him for his works, not into his personal level. That's why I when I talked about my favourite actors or public figures in general, I always keep the distance between their personal lives and their works because they are entirely different. I like them because of their works, and the rest is just a bonus.
What a damn shame😑 i really liked him and thought of him as the fun uncle type ever since i was a kid and up until recently the fact that we share a birthday brought me joy. Yeah...not anymore
I grew up watching his movies, it's ingrained in my memories as a child, however when I see stuff like this, him expecting his son to have been raised well when he spent every single waking moment away, it's just mind boggling, it's like leaving a dish unattended, expecting it to cook itself and be ready and delicious by the time you come back. It also doesn't go unnoticed the irony of a man who made his millions by working in Hong Kong saying the things he does
💔💔💔💔💔 I have been completely out of the loop about all of this, and your video is the first I'm learning about any of this. He has always seemed to be so humble, and honestly I never realized that he had a family. I don't think that Jackie Chan is wrong for not leaving his wealth to his son, though; his son is an adult who already has the capacity and connections necessary to be more successful than the majority of people in this world, and he doesn't need anything more. I don't believe that it should be legal for people to inherit so much money that they will never need to work. For his daughter, it's hard to know what her mother has or hasn't done just from social media posts, but I understand why a parent would feel back-footed by being called out online, justified or not, and I am not going to judge someone who is clearly unprepared for public scrutiny for what they say without more information. Jackie Chan's politics is super problematic, though I also understand that as a Chinese national, his ability to challenge them is severely limited. It sounds to me like he has drunk too deeply from the well of CCCP-think, and he likely doesn't know where the line between what he actually believes and what he has to claim to believe to thrive actually lies. Maybe I am too soft on him, but I don't see why his time in the U.S. should have made him change his mind, when despite his success, he was never fully embraced and remained an outsider. It's challenging to accept influence from people we see as our neighbors, much less from those who keep us always at a distance.
Is it just me who thinks that giving your fortune away to charity instead of leaving it to your kids is actually a commendable thing? I feel like generational wealth only drives disparity, so redistribution is always preferable.
@@Vaitheven if you don’t think your kids deserve it! If your kids a druggy and you think if you give them your fortune, they’re just gonna blow it on drugs and parties then why not give it to people that actually need it
@@brumtownmiller6130 again theres a difference between giving away your fortune and supporting your family. i would have thought it was common sense but apparently it's not. you should always try to support people not just drop them at the first sign of trouble. only if the relationship becomes toxic do you drop them. also chances are giving away to charity is just a tax write off... so yeh...
@@Vaith bro he gave his kid(son) the best education, best access to resources and the best start to life. He saw his son throw it away and be a proper drug addict. Why would he support that? He gave his son the ability to live his best life and set up himself for the future and his son way squandered it for a party and drug life. Jackie didn’t want to support that. If his son lived a good and productive life, sure Jackie would of spurted him more
I love your videos! I know you do not really take video ideas from your audience, but one thing I have noticed you discuss in your essays is self-Orientalism, like Jackie Chan benefitting from the exotic funny foreigner stereotype in Hollywood. It would be awesome if you ever did a whole video on this topic! I'm sure it would be huge though.
This depresses me, Jackie was my first celebrity I was obsessed with, Rush Hour was my first PG 13 movie Eh James Sie of Cartoon Jackie and Monkey is a better actor
I really like when the TH-cam algorithm comes through and recommends a video that I would've probably not watched due to the length, but found myself really engaged the whole time I watched it. Good job!
As an English life-long fan of JC, I feel even if he wanted to he could not go against or refuse to work with the CCP while he lives in China.Or has friends and connections there, he's too high profile. On his parenting skills well I think he is a product of his upbringing which seems like it was very rough, so you can understand if not support his views there. In the end I'm a fan of Jackie because of his skills as a performer and a film-maker and not because of his skills as a dad or because of his political beliefs. He's not the man he once was, but neither is Hong Kong the place it once was.
i saw that michelle yeoh bit with letterman before but i didn't really notice the quiet whoops and the hollers from the crowd when she said that jackie believes that women should stay at home
Two thoughts on this. 1. You can love somebody's work but hate their personal life, and that's okay. For example I love all of Tom Cruise's stuff but the guy seems like a real nutcase. 2. Being raised in a Chinese-American family, all this stuff is pretty standard. I don't think Jackie is any different than your average raised in China dad.
Never really invested in Jackie Chan, just figured there was a market for martial arts movie but remember a few years back said he was leaving Hollywood to "make real movies" in China. The Chinese weren't as enthusiastic about that as he seemed to think and he started reappearing in Hollywood movies a year or so but I picked up on the arrogance of that one comment.
Bit of a detour, but I still come back from time to time watching 'Jackie Chan - How to Do Action Comedy' by Every Frame a Painting (9 years ago already, time flies).
It really sucks that the man that got me started in martial arts is not the man I would not want to be. I WORSHIPPED his films, even today. As a MMA fighter, people usually assume I was inspired by Bruce Lee. But, I always corrected them and tell them that I wanted to be like Jackie. I loved fighting movies and comedy’s, for him to combined both, how could I not make him a role model. But, knowing the kind of man he is, really breaks my heart. I WANT to separate the art from the artist. But to know he was who he was BECAUSE of his art. Makes this incredibly hard to do, this was a great video. Like from me!!
A Jackie led EVERYTHING everywhere would have been really interesting. I finally watched it for the first time this past weekend and loved it but would definitely have liked to see THIS alternate universe version
not excusing his behaviour whatsoever but his parents being like "oh you failed one year of grade school? hope you like 10 years of rigorous chinese opera academy" is insane and kind of explains why he's so addicted to work and making money.
I know the term is overused now but generational trauma go brrrrr.
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Actually they were really poor. This is why they gave him to opra.
oh no that's horrible.you people are unbelivable.
to then impose that on his own kids completely invalidates any sympathy we should have for him
Sympathy should only be given to whoever breaks that cycle
Since I was little, he reminded me of my Chinese dad. His smile felt so real and genuine. He could be silly and jolly. But right around the corner was his anger and cruelty. No one was allowed to disobey him.
I think you just describe like every Asian dad ever. My own father is kinda similar
I'm not even Asian (funnily enough though, they did say I DID look Asian as a baby and in certain moments when I was younger XD)... I know the feeling. Hang in there lads/lasses.
sounds like my dad too. he is known as a Christian good guy by my relatives, his peers, everyone outside home. only i can see his true image. i was physically and mentally abused by him when i was the a kid, i am the eldest son, and he thinks that's discipline. he is condescending and has a god complex the way he treats me. now he questions me why i don't talk to him anymore. he even owes me a large amount of money back when i was in my previous job but he conveniently forgot about it. i cut ties to him and set boundaries. i'm breaking this generational trauma!
Why would you disobey your dad?
@@nikolavojnovic6552 Because he's your dad, not your owner
Sad to hear Jackie Chan isn’t the hero we thought he was. It’s important to remember actors are not their characters. This was a well researched video
damn i really wanna know the tl:dr of this video.. she probably did a good job and she's cool but i feel like i cant watch the whole thing.. so can you explain me in a brief way :0
This literally goes for anyone, people are flawed and some more than others. Never put celebrities up on a pedal stool because they will disappoint.
nah he still my hero
@@thisdeath its not really an hour or more video. its just 20 min wth just watch it or listen to it while working
This one hurt I looked up to him so much because my pop pop loved his work and a lot of foreign movies/art (I am a blk woman btw)
I knew about some of this stuff (mostly the stuff w his daughter) but what I feel like really cemented his human fallibility in my mind was Michelle Yeoh calling him a male chauvinist. It’s so clear in that original interview that she’s not joking, she’s being 100% honest, and she’s not even trying to be harsh; she makes her respect for him as an experienced performer and a peer in her field clear, but it’s obvious she has no intention of not calling him out just because they’ve known each other so long (something a lot more people in those industries could stand to do!). Whenever she brings it up, the interviewers are always SO clearly uncomfortable, but she’s got so much poise in those moments. She’s careful about what she says but she’s not holding back, either. The fact that someone who knows him so well and even has some amount of affection for him can be that upfront about his behavior always spoke volumes to me.
Having people who don't sugarcoat your worst behaviours close to you is the greatest type of people you could have as colleagues/friends.
Personally I'd fucking hate to be around a bunch of meat riding ass kissers.
Lol, Yeoh. The casting couch princess is no one to judge Jackie Chan.
Ask her which communist leader's bed she warmed tonight instead of passing jealous comments about her co-stars.
She's lucky that Jackie Chan has a lot more class than her and hasn't really revealed her antics behind the scenes.
Hes chinese, how is that even surprising? Thats like being surprised that a man born in saudi arabia is misogynistic. China is the country that calls unmarried women above a certain age "leftover women". This is why im bothered when people act like the US is the worst place social politically when most of the world lags far behind us on these issues
Yes, yes, yes the interview from Michelle was so right on point and I love her do much.
@@icravedeath.1200Same, especially in these blindly fandoms that love to follow into bliss just because it's an old classical thing.
A year ago I did a deep dive on him when news of his paternity and the inheritance he was NOT leaving his children spread. He also flung his 2 yr old across the room in a drunken stupor I was baffled. He's no different than all the other abusive, adulterous and alcoholic men in Hollywood.
I had no idea about his two year old. What a piece of shit
But i guess if your a talented guy that is funny and quirky no one really looks at your wrongdoings or takes them seriously.
And men in the all over a America and the world. Hollywood is not a place
@@sterlingmarshel6299lmaoo Tru, it just most men overall
A lot of people have similar problems, the only thing different is that because they are celebrities, their lives are shown and their mistakes are shown for public scrutiny.
I remember seeing a Conan O’Brien interview and he talked about being sent off to the opera house school ( it was promoting his book, My Life In Action) and how his parents only showed him affection after he became wealthy, not excusing anything JC has done, but no wonder he’s a bad parent.
it really sucks because jackie had such a family friendly persona i loved him so much as a kid. he was always a comfort-actor for me because of his roles that emphasized his love for children and fatherly nature. finding out the way he treated his family completely broke my parasocial image of him since my early childhood.
As someone had said, first and foremost Jackie Chen is an actor, and a good actor at that..
But it doesn't mean his character in whatever movie he starred in was really his true personality..
I did my fair share of disappointment after the truth and reality of actors or actresses true personality had revealed after some digging..
You mean he spoiled his son and refused to acknowledge his daughter after supporting her and her mother financially and paying them a huge settlement?
We still have Keeanu Reeves... right? He's not Chinese of course but like I mean a wholesome actor... Pleaaaaaase
@@aerrae5608 Keanu Reeves is part Chinese. His grandma is pure Chinese. Check your facts.
I befriended a Chinese girl at university that said she did not like Jackie Chan, and that baffled me, because I thought EVERYBODY liked Jackie Chan. I was ignorant. It turned out she knew more about the actor's shenanigans than I did.
the biggest moment for me was finding out he’d purposefully humiliate his girlfriend in front of her colleagues because of his ego & spending thousands a day on his bros while two women were raising his children in a completely different continent
Wait this is so sad 😞 is there somewhere I can read or watch what happened with that?
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so parents cant go on vacation anymore ???? why because he is famous he is held to a different degree ?? he is still a person lol fkn weirdos
@@bigbodykarate6403 no, the weird part is wanting spend thousands on other random men, and none on your family. Yall mfers be gay as hell, just go be gay! You're either actually slow or pretending to miss the point
It's possible to like his work and not like him as a person. All these people defending his behaviour need to grow up.
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True. I frikkin love Michael Jordan the basketball player and he will always be my GOAT but he's a complete POS off the court. For example, If I could get an autograph of him right now I would take the chance but if he's being a dick and won't do it then I won't force the issue. That still won't negatively affect how I view him as a basketball player.
You heard how that went for Chamillionaire😅 i love Mariah's music but the stories arent exactly positive.@@imfinishedgrinding638
@@imfinishedgrinding638 Wait, what did Jordan do? Not sure if I want to know lol
Yeah, like I was once told by my mom. Don't meet your heroes.
Screw that, always meet them. Don't have heroes.
Eh, I think that's a generalization that ends-up excusing bad actors for their choices by pretending there's something inherent to their position that forces them to be awful. In reality, and while there are lots of assholes out there, both secret and not, there are also tons of thoroughly-decent people. The difference is that you don't tend to hear about the decent ones, because it's a "man bites dog" situation; where's the news in a celebrity simply living their values and being a good person? And while bad news is inherently more sensational, the fact that it does seem to be, to a degree, the exception is proof of the rule I'm implying; lots of people are generally good. It's not that surprising, when you think about it; "treat people with respect" honestly isn't that hard, and is frequently even the most self-interested strategy, particularly in longer-term aspects.
@@michaelccozens yeah because most people like to generalize things. It is said don't meet your Heroes because they're humans and they'll let you down they might not mean to let you down but they will let you down because they're humans
@@poposterous236No gods. No masters.
That would’ve been tough if she was your hero
As a Hong Konger, it is always bewildering to see people on the internet hold Jackie Chan in such a high regard because (for us) him being a horrible PERSON has been public knowledge for years now
What about Jet Li?
I got a lot of friends in Hong Kong, and not everybody hates him, come on now
@@tse4730 where did i even write the word "HATE"? Or when did I "speak on behalves of HongKongers whether HongKongers like Jackie Chan or not"?
You can like/dislike a person whether they are hble or not, but holding them in such high regards? That's the frustration I was trying to express.
Also aren't you so cool to know SO MANY friends in HongKong that you can get informed on the general consensus?
You really grinded my gear with your dumbass illiterate take. Maybe next time try to pause and think for a moment first before you try to open your stupid mouth and yap.
@@Seth9809 I think he's good at what he does in films but I don't really have any disposition towards him 'cause I feel like we don't really hear about him much
He's a CPC lapdog. Enough said.
Michelle Yeoh was such an integral part of Everything Everything all at Once
Thank god she is the lead role, it would be such a different movie
Also the actor of her husband is great
@@marocat4749was so happy to see him in the role! The Goonies is one of my favorite movies. I always loved him in it!
She was AMAZING in that movie along with her husband and daughter. Just incredible!
She's an integral part of anything she's in. Crazy Rich Asians would have been a completely different movie without her.
No matter what Jackie Chan could never take on EEAO atleast in this universe because of the gay themes and his own personal story with his gay daughter. Plus also that China would not have allowed the film to screen in china with the gay theme, and taking this role would have made him look bad with CCP
Jackie chan is a perfect example of not fixing with whats broken, has all this money, but doesn't have the energy to spend quality time and support with his kids. Even at his age, he aint even wise. Smh
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I agree with you but crap family like kids and wives tend to sit back and drag husbands down happens all the time in it western society. I agree if he is not trying to spend time with them divorce her but he probably doesn't want that legal trouble. It's not a man's responsibility to always deal with shyt and stick around!!
Too bad for the Chinese bashers-haters .
Jackie Chan continue to have large fan base around the World .
It's her daughter's fault for being so dumb. No one should support these "Alphabet people", no one. Period.
A lot of men don't spend time with their children
As an immigrant, it's always sad to see people who share the same type of struggle as you in the US not reach the standards you impose on yourself to seem worthy of living here. But that shows that you shouldn't overvalue one person as the perfect image of what an immigrant should be. I love this video!
I know American's don't respect it today due to being selfish and ignorant, but the Statue of Liberty says, ""Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore." You are already worthy. We are a country of immigrants, descendants of the abused and the controlled, of the weary and the weak but together and only together are we strong. I hope you will feel welcome and worthy one day, because according to that statue, any and all who needs us are worthy.
I remember seeing a short video of him complaining that his son doesn’t respect him as much as he likes when he’s at home. It set off warning bells in my head and I was wondering if he was an absent father. Pretty sad to see that it’s true
You’re dead on about Jackie Chan seeming goofy and harmless to Americans, who dehumanize and infantilize him due to the cheerful persona and accent. That’s what I always did anyway. I’m trying to unlearn some biases recently
I think that’s really great that you can recognize things about yourself or your mindset that need work. I feel similarly and am working on unlearning bias I hold as well.
@@shmave_74 hey thanks! Same to you :)
Same here. I won’t deny that is exactly how I saw him, mostly for his seemingly happy and funny persona. And of course as a kid I thought he was like a hero. Because I’m Asian, And I really was proud of fictional Asian heroes. Hope we can all work through this. Wish you best of luck truly!
since when is seeing someone as goofy dehumanizing and infantilizing him? ironic coming from someone with your pp
You clearly don't know what the term infantalize means. Just because you're taken in by someone's charisma doesn't mean you're deeming them incapable of agency.
great video. I think you’re so right that people infantilize him and just see “funny asian guy” with nothing below the surface - it’s super racist - this was very illuminating
😮 EEAAO is my favorite movie in like… ever. I cried in the theater. I can’t imagine a male lead. Michelle was phenomenal
So was Ke Huy Quan! I can't imagine the movie without him, and without Michelle Yeoh in the lead. I'm glad Jackie Chan said no.
@@haileybalmer9722this is it for me. Ke huy playing a soft spoken optimist just trying to keep his family together works SO much better than if that had been Michelle as Jackie's wife. She's an amazing lead don't get me wrong, but I think the gender inversion of stereotypes where it's the mother who is stern and the father who is silly and accommodating and frightened works SO much better to reinforce the themes of the movie.
They really stumbled into the best possible outcome.
That movie was garbage but if you like it fine
What the absolute f* was the Daniels thinking???? Making a movie about a lesbian daughter being ostracised by her family and trying to have Jackie as the lead after what he did to his lesbian daughter???
F* atrocious and unforgivable.
But they didn’t make that movie, did they. And we don’t know how much the script changed in the rewrite.
You mean daughter being disowned for being lesbian? She was already disowned before she was even born. She herself admitted that she didn't have a father and is happy with her mother but then made it seem like she had never received love from either parents since a young age and even said she grew up in abuse. Furthermore spreading the lie that she was abandoned for being lesbian, when her own mother even came out to tell her to just go to work instead of trying to have it easy using the fame of the father that she doesn't admit as her own father. I'd say she's not any better.
@@EA-by2heFunny thing is the daughter still wanted money from daddy after she disowned him, i thought she wanted to be independent from his father?😅.
I don’t remember hearing her ever asking for money from Jackie. All she said was it would be nice to have a supportive dad. Obviously she’s not happy to be homeless but that doesn’t mean she’s selfish. Any homeless person would want to get out of that situation, and unfortunately, it is not easy.
@@lakibodytry being homeless for just a month. You'll see her reasoning.
Are we surprised? Most, not all celebrities, aren't good people as they have been proven to be abusers among other things. I remember he was in a relationship with Teresa Teng, who I would love for you to cover as I don't think many people have covered her. That relationship wasn't the healthiest as they had different personalities and Jackie played mind games with her. After reading that, I can't help but feel bad for Teresa. While Teresa is no longer here to share her story with him, she deserves better. People need to stop seeing these people as moral compasses.
Wow, thanks for writing about her. I has no clue who she was before, I'm inspired to research her.
I cant imagine that relationship being healthy at all. Teng was a Taiwanese advocate and patriot. Chan thought the whole culture was a joke.
"Most" is doing a lot of work there with very little support, and I'm concerned that making such baseless assumptions actually gives bad actors an excuse for their choices that they do not deserve. Yes, you hear about a lot of awful people, but consider the pool from which said cases are drawn; it's absolutely massive. And of course you don't hear much about the decent people, because where's the sensation in "Keanu Reeves is a good guy again today"? You're also in danger of creating the impression that being decent and treating people with respect is somehow a high or difficult bar, and it really isn't. Yes, it takes some work. No, it's not fucking rocket science or a particularly-onerous task, but dealing with the consequences of poor behaviour sure can be both.
I think you should consider why you're so eager to give abusers cover in this manner, especially as it's clearly not a fact-based position.
@@michaelccozens You are so unbearably self-righteous that you have to scold a person who obviously agrees with everything you said. This is why we can't have nice things. The world is full of frauds.
Yes, we are because IDK bro is in china like North Korea where they don't cover that much negativity or let it be leaked as much over here until we do find out eventually years later... It's just something to see and witness when it comes out and I do go like "wow that's crazy" when it comes put because I honestly never expected that much crazy stuff from the guy IRL, yeah everyone makes mistakes growing up, and you're suppose to learn from them but this was just unfortunate at all hands here.
You can't always go saying that well this is like everyone blah blah blah, I mean do we know them personally? No, and that means it could be anything that happens from onward.
Not taking responsibility for a child you've fathered out of wedlock is the lowest. Absolute garbage. That kid didn't ask to be born, and their life is already going to be more difficult because of the circumstance of their birth.
nahh
so we not going to mention the baby mother in this? her lack of birth control or the fact she knew she was a side chick, so a mistress and having a baby,,,, so he didn't get trapped and we mad? why have a kid with someone who is never going to marry you or be a parent that should be the real question!
@@k-STL-2023-zk6wx Dude. Save this comment so you can come back to it whenever you wonder why women don't like you.
@@vanyadolly I have no issue with women liking me I don't need to pander like you must. I'm being real. A woman getting pregnant by a celebrity she knows is married is stupid. Or let me guess you are on of those that think women should trap celebs and celebrate it?
@@vanyadolly White knight harder
tbh I think what really soured me on Jackie Chan in recent memory was him filming a movie in a part of war torn Syria
edit: youtube won't show my replies, but luckily someone else also explained, but just in case: Syria is in an active civil war where its regime overwhelmingly targeted civilians with extensive proof of war crimes. The place where jackie chan filmed Home Operation was on top of the rubble of destroyed civilian homes of Damascus which is currently in the control of the regime.
Could you elaborate? I really want to know the background behind that decision
@@garaj1 It was for a movie about the evacuation of Chinese citizens during the Yemen war. The problem here is that he chose to film on top of the rubble of homes that were destroyed during the ongoing Syrian civil war where citizens were overwhelmingly and brutally targeted by the regime. Damascus, where the film was shot, is controlled by the dictatorship, and there is an entire industry of unethical travel vlogs trying to whitewash their war crimes.
@@garaj1 Is a Chinese patriotic action film like wolf warrior, set in Yemen, filmed in a destroyed Syrian city, the film is produced by Jackie Chan, it comes out next year, there is not even an trailer yet.
@@garaj1yep he filmed in a warm torn part of Damascus in war torn buildings. And the movie was about the evacuation of Chinese nationals from Yemen in 2015. Another war torn country. The movie is called Home Operation
What exactly is the problem with that?
Jackie Chan became popular in the US due to a well-crafted public persona. He would talk about his old-time Hollywood heroes (including vaudeville actors and silent film stars like Buster Keaton) and had Hollywood friends talking about his demands on film sets as just him being a "hard worker." He never spoke of his home life or political beliefs, just focused on entertaining and went out of his way to build this reputation as a happy-go-lucky guy that was a friend to everybody. I do remember when his son had the drug bust and it was almost universally reported as a nasty, spoiled brat thinking he could do whatever he wanted because he had a famous dad. All we saw from Jackie Chan was him being humble and regretful that it had happened, playing the part perfectly. If you wanted to see anything real about him, you had to be either in the industry or enough of a superfan to read his books because no one would talk about him. Jackie Chan was untouchable, as many Hollywood stars could be if they worked hard enough at suppressing the truth. That said, I find it better never to know the real lives of celebrities, as it will ruin any enjoyment of the entertainment they produce.
The story about his daughter is heartbreaking. She truly deserves better. I hope she stays stable and has people she can rely on around her. I would feel embarrassed, if my child was homeless and it was publically known that I did nothing to support her, even though I could. It also seems like Jackie hasn’t really suffered the consequences of his own misdeeds for a very long time. Like… you don’t atone for an affair by punishing the child that was born out of that affair.
She doesn't deserve better her Dad told her something and she didn't adhere to it so
@@dukeheavens9990 gratz on not being abused by your family I guess??
Why do people insist that an affair is something to atone for? When I got my affair partner pregnant, I just told my wife at the time I wanted a divorce and left her to be with my AP. My ex and I worked out a custody agreement, she got remarried, and everything turned out fine. If people gave me and my new partner a hard time for our affair, I told them to suck eggs and mind their own business.
She’s not homeless. She’s living in a condo with an older woman.
@@Firguy_the_Foot_Fetishistwow I wonder why ppl think that cheating on your spouse for a fling that will last 1 year at the most and will of course end with you also being cheated on is bad
Can you imagine Jackie Chan giving you the typical Asian dad lecture. I had to walk uphill both ways to school every day. When I was 8, I had a job.
I never thought the 'nice guy' Jackie Chan could really be so devoid of empathy, but here we are. I imagine his childhood had something to do with that.
You could be right but having a bad childhood doesn't excuse being a horrible father
@@angelaholmes8888 once a victim later creates more victims
Most males are sociopaths. HOW haven't the average woman made this connection. Human history is full of violence, conquest, genocide, etc and NOT by the hands of women 95.9 percent of the time!
Right the vast majority of abusers criminals and narcissists are the way they are due shitty childhood. We can't excuse all of them and treat their victims as collateral damage. Plus there's tons of people who had unthinkable things happen in their childhood but chose to be good and protect others instead so clearly its a choice these people are making to be vile, if it wasn't then EVERYOne who went through trauma would be evil.@@angelaholmes8888
@angelaholmes8888 his own father was barely there for him either
I remember as a kid, I had this weird constant fear of Jackie Chan turning old. I think it was because he was my favorite actor and I never wanted him to stop making movies. Little did I know that that fear would be rationalized for an entirely different reason.
EXTREMELY well done video! Thoroughly researched, beautifully articulated, easy to follow. As an Asian person myself, I really wish more Asian youtubers like you would get the views and engagement you deserve. You deserve +1M subs!!!
whenever you put someone on a pedestal always remember that they are human first.
Sounds like he's pretty awful as a human being.
Having children always makes me uncomfortable to hear, children are to be raised and parented not to be own or have.
That's an interesting perspective. I agree that children aren't to be “owned”
But that's interesting how you feel the phrase “having children” or have children means “ownership.”
@@sunflowerlady2057 You'd be surprised how plenty of people, parent or not, think children aren't human beings worthy of decency.
idk how this video showed to you that jackie wants to own his kids, he clearly wants them to do well on their own
@@Moszan that's precisely why parents are entrusted with their children though, because everyone else is even less trustworthy
There’s a reason why we say “never meet your idols”
I say we should meet our idols so that we see them as humans who are flawed like human being generally are. Why worship when you can learn from the greyness that is humanity?
The irony of him being in Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem which has an anti-prejudice message.
So was Ice Cube, who is a notorious homophobe.
That and him being an attentive father in that film- eesh.
So is Ice Cube.
I'm also baffled by the fact they cast a Chinese Actor to play Splinter who is Japanese.
We should have had George Takei play Master Splinter.
@@eamonndeane587nah,Andrew Koji
The fact my own shitty Dad is a big fan of Chan to this day, seems fitting. There's a disturbing normalisation for a lot of men in that generation for their public persona to be this squeaky clean, wholesome amd friendly facade while their behaviour in their peivate and intimate lives is disturbing, abusive and/or downright cruel. Or, at least, thats been something I've noticed.
Right women have never done anything or are capable of evil lol female thinking is funny
Yup. Women are shamed for EVERYTHING, but men are barely held accountable
He is a fan of his work, not his character and personal life.
It's called acting, look it up on wikipedia.
I wonder the reason why he rejected EEAO was because of the gay themes and his own personal story with his daughter. Plus also that China would not have allowed the film to screen in china with the gay theme.
That shit is disgusting 🤮💩😂
not at all, its because Jackie was filming the movie "Ride On" at the same moment.
@@tse4730 Ok and even if he wasn't shooting that or the directors waited for him to finish shooting, which was possible given most quick shooting in china, i still don't think he would have accepted that role because of the gay daughter theme and reality, plus we already saw the film not getting passing ccp censorship to release in china. So you think he who is a traditionalist who really likes the current government would have taken this movie? I think it was a little naive of the directors to even consider him.
That movie was so boring
@@RollingCalf that’s an opinion and a perfectly valid one to hold. Not all movies are for everyone. I personally loved it and found it very engaging and entertaining, but you are entitled to your differing opinion.
Man, I have known about Jackie Chan’s shitty views and behavior for a while, but I’ve always had difficulty confronting it due to the fact that I idolized him as a kid. Thanks for condensing all this into a single video because this would have been so painful to research.
This video makes a genuinely great point about famous artists. I know it’s irresponsible to put any person on a pedestal, but that’s hard to understand when you’re six years old and said person is a martial arts movie star.
And like don’t get me wrong as an old Hollywood nerd I’m used to my faves being shitty people, but I wasn’t obsessed with Carry Grant in second grade lmao.
EDIT: Holy shit Everything Everywhere all at Once would not have been nearly as good with Jackie in the lead.
What old hollywood movies should I watch? I'd kind of like to try a noir detective film, but one which is a bit surprising maybe, for example one with a female character with depth and personal motives. I think the only movie I've watched from the 60's is The Batman 1966 with Adam West.
Jackie Chan holds a complicated grip upon me because I love his body of work outside of the U.S. I vividly remember having Hong Kong friends back in college in the early 2000s sharing how much Jackie was reviled over there because he's uber known to be a sex fiend. I was in denial of course, but the older I got, the more news I heard and then whammo, the heel turn was complete. Or maybe it wasn't a heel turn, it was just the truth. Thanks for sharing your thoughts about him here.
So, Jackie Chan was like Bill Cosby?
@@Neku628dunno if that's comparable, Bill Cosby was a serial rapist while with Jackie Chan we don't have any indicators of whether any of his encounters weren't consensual
@@Neku628
Nah, Chan prefers consent.
Yes, except for the drugging part, those women willingly went with him.
Or he’s just human who did good and bad things! He also was put in a situation we could never imagine from 6 years old but still managed to do mo the good than bad in his position.
the problem is when you admire someone parasocially you tend to forget that theyre human beings that could have flaws. like people treat mr beast, the rock, kevin hart like they are brands and not people. Like characters in video games or movies.
i find it so dumb when people get surprised when a celebrity has had problems or makes a mistake. its like they all went "omg he is a human with flaws, how shocking." it's like they've never had an intimate connection with anyone in their lives that isnt a celebrity theyve never met
I really loved Jackie Chan when I was a kid, he was basically my first action movie star who was approved by my mom. His movies were action packed and "kid friendly violent". Doesn't change the fact there was still violence in his movies, but at least it wasn't mindless bloodshed.
To most point I wanted to say "Yes, but..." but it was internally followed up with an "Oh I see". He really is not a good person :/
He's very good at the action-comedy approach, which is a tough combination for people to get right because you have to be both an action star and a physical comedian. Unfortunately, talent and skill aren't enough to make people good in their personal lives.
Jackie chan Burrows alot of inspiration from Buster Keaton. It's that perfect blend between Martial arts and slapstick comedy that makes it work.
@@shroobify He really knew how to sell impact. Accented Cinema has a great retrospective on the cinematic Jackie Chan.
evaluating someone as "good" or "bad" is too black-and-white. there are nuances, even people with well recorded moments of cruelty
@@shroobify Buster Keaton is probably one of the most inspirational cinema figures to influence Hollywood martial arts films besides martial arts itself.
I studied abroad at a language school in Japan, and I made a lot of friends from hong Kong. And all of them hated Jackie chan. And I was shocked. And that was when I learned why. And how different it was from what I thought.
asking the Japanese if they like Chinese. lol, you goofy
@@bobbob-vw4cc Idk bro I think you should learn to read, OP said that they studied abroad at a language school in japan, and in their time there they've made a lot of friends who come from "hong kong", emphasis on they came from "hong kong"....did you get it now?😂
@@bobbob-vw4cc.....did you want me to spell it out for you?😅
GET HIS ASS!!!
LOL
Lmaoooo
JACKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! (Ki, ki, ki) There's nothing this girl can say to make me dislike Jackie Chan. Yes, I know about some of the things people don't like him for, but honestly, NONE of those things are a big deal AT ALL. Just because someone has personal beliefs and makes mistakes in their life doesn't mean I'm going to discard them as a person. Jackie Chan is fkn awesome
@@treenincove1726um ok?? She was never trying to get you to dislike him
Everyone decides for themselves and she is just expressing her feelings
To you they might not be a big deal but for others it might be
People are different yk
@@treenincove1726 Chill, she literally says at the end of the video that she's not trying to make anyone hate him.
That said, if you think that someone who throws a 2yo child across a room out of anger is awesome, I don't ever want to meet you in person.
I never assumed Jackie is a good or nice person just because he's an amazing stunt performer and martial artist. We don't know these people.
If more celebrities were better at making amazing animated TV shows, I'd have so many more parasocial relationships
Thank you for informing me about all of the real things happening outside of the filtered media sphere
Nepo-Baby vs Boot-Straps. What exactly is the right thing to do when you’re a parent. Personally I feel like too many boomers want to hoard their wealth and not care about leaving things behind for their offspring. But people hate and despise nepotism and unearned money and merit.
I think its a balance of pushing your kids towards independence but giving them the space to fail. I've never had a good relationship with my parents but I'm thankful that they didn't spoil me with their money and expected me to be an independent thinker and provider. That being said I want that fucking mansion and they should gimme it because I'm the special boy.
I don’t think it’s wrong to give our kids a safety net to fall back on. Yes money can lead to spoiling but so can other actions and choices. I feel like the trend of celebrities saying they’re leaving their kids nothing feels weird to me, I mean if you made an enormous fortune sure do other incredible things with it but I don’t think anyone’s going to judge you for making sure you leave enough for your kids to have a comfortable life. There’s things people can pursue only when they’re comfortable and the trend in America seems to be to no longer try to achieve security for the next generation but instead to screw them over and make them start from scratch again because they apparently had to? It’s a really weird mindset and trend that seems to becoming more common. We’re supposed to want better for the future not worse.
@lisahoshowsky4251 I definitely agree. I'm planning on living with my parents so that my kids can have grandparents to rely on. Mine were pretty terrible parents, but I think they'd be fantastic grandparents. I want to give myself the space to be a whole person while also attending to their needs, and ultimately, I'm going to need a lot of help to make that happen. My parents worked constantly and didn't have anyone watching us which did make me independent but also caused a lot of other issues. I want to take the best pieces of that and do a better job.
Meh. As a parent, all you can do is give them support when they're kids and hope for the best. If they choose to waste their potential, that's on them. My money is my money. If they want a better life, they better work for it.
@@dollardeals01just don't have kids and save your money
I appreciate Lin for making this vid and the info she presents but to be fair Jackie Chan DESERVES CREDIT for being very honest about his faults and vices in his own memoir.
Most celeb memoirs are not as honest as that.
Agree and this video is kind of meh tbh. He is a star but not a good family man, so what? He at least is honest and doesn't try to deceive people with a false perfect image, sometimes that is enough.
@@moon_orbit Being self aware that you're a bad person while actively continuing to be a horrible human being is just as bad if not worse than trying to hide the it. Knowing that what you're doing is wrong and putting in no effort to make amends isn't somehow better
My brother in Christ, saying "I'm a piece of shit but I'm honest about it" still makes you a piece of shit. I loved Jackie Chan for 20 years but just because I didn't know he's such a turd.
@@moon_orbit Orrrrr people can be disappointed by having had a completely different image of him. That's okay too. No one's saying that he personally lied about his relationships.
I'll definitely still be able to watch/enjoy his movies, but this video will help separate who he is on screen and who he is in private. Ultimately, this story seems to me to be a great example of how having a great publicist and some natural charisma can make people think whatever you like
I’m not Asian, but the moment I found out he was anti Hong Kong and Taiwan and didn’t respect their sovereignty, I lost any respect I had. Then I found out about his family relationship, and that pushed me further in my dislike of him. I still like the Shanghai Noon/Knight films but I’m really not a fan of him.
Also Jackie Chan Adventures was amazing!!! He’s clearly so talented and does work very hard. And of course no one deserves to experience racism. But I don’t think disappointing quite covers how I feel about his views. He’s free to have those views, but there’s no debating how harmful they are, especially considering his influence. I agree on his family relationships being a result of his own experiences growing up. I think I read somewhere that Shanghai Knights was kind of like a rekindling of his and his father’s relationship. If I remember correctly, the photo Jackie shows of what is suppose to be him and his father, is a real photo. It’s sad what he must have experienced and how that affected him moving forward but still… and by far, it’s definitely not an excuse for how he treated a toddler.
20:08 Yes! This needs to be talked about more. We need to stop excusing and infantilizing adults from other countries when they are acting problematic. I feel that people ether assume they must be dumb or that being a jerk is "normal" in their home country. All this, "Aw, they don't know any better." or, "It's normal where they're from! Their culture is different!" or, "Well, it's okay. That's just how people from their country acts! It's their culture!" is so awful, and arguably xenophobic too. My dad is an Asian immigrant (not Chinese though). He is just as rational, caring, intelligent, and capable of reason as any of his western peers. He and other non-western adults know better, and if he acts like an asshole, I'd be pissed if someone told me, "Haha well he's Pakistani. What do you expect?" or, "Aw, how can some little goofy Pakistani guy with a goofy accent be a bad guy?" Having an accent or being non-white doesn't make you less intelligent.
It’s interesting and maybe worth discussing that different countries have different reactions like what you were talking about. Like some random dude from Russia speaking in broken English has a different vibe than a dude from Kenya or France or China or Pakistan in America. I feel as though Americans might infantilize some countries’ people more than others. They may have baseline positive or negative vibes from them based on those countries and the political leaning of the American doing the perceiving.
What do you think about this?
Googoo gaga.
@@samuelfraley8737 this is true.
You make a good point about calling out bad behavior regardless of culture. The problem is depending on the person.
Let's say if a white person called out a person for problematic they would be called racist or "forcing their Western ideals on a person of color". Even if they make a good point about why what that is doing is bad. Sadly there are people online who will defend assholes and attack the rational person.
In short call outs aren't easy.
As a Jackie Fan that watched both his Honk Kong and US films and even that abomination with Pierce Brosnan (The Foreigner?), it was sooo disappointing to find all this out. I understand his workaholism since it's how I grew up, but like the serial cheating being an awful dad was just deflating. If it's any consolation, a lot of people grew up to model themselves on his facade and not his real self.
Ni Hao Kai Lan was my ish growing up, then it just disappeared one day.
In regards to his kids I think in Jackie’s mind that if he’s able to be as successful as he is from working hard enough with little to no help then his kids can too or maybe the parenting style he grew up with that made him adopt such a mentality and work ethic helped him so he wishes to show that to his kids to learn from it the way he did either way he has to help his kids out with the bare minimum at least.
i loved the jackie chan adventures as a kid, watched so much of it
great video!
I can take comfort in the fact that the Extremely talented VA James Sie voices the title character instead in that Show.
Sie is really underrated.
@@eamonndeane587 That's really cool! I didn't know that. I live in Brazil, so I've only watched it with the brazilian dub
I saw Jackie Chan once at the party for invited celebrities after the movie at Disney’s El Capitan Theatre for the premier of his movie, a rather silly remake of Around the World in 80 Days. I was one of the workers at the theater. His demeanor was aloof and unfriendly to the little people like me. He did a good job of making us feel like the pee-ons we, well, actually were. Arrogance and contempt for others just seemed to radiate out of him. At the same party was Jodie Foster with her children. I said to her as they were leaving, “Thank you for coming.” She replied very graciously and warmly with a beautiful smile, “Thank you.” I always had a crush on Jodie and after that meeting, I would still marry her in a heartbeat even though she is lesbian. On the other hand, I would not care to meet Jackie Chan ever again even if he were to identify as a woman and get enough plastic surgery to become the most beautiful female in the world. He just fails as a human in my book. That’s not even considering his opposition to the freedom, democracy, and self-determination rights of the 23 million people in Taiwan, which is the home I have now returned to.
Are you a perfect human being then? You have no flaws and no mistakes in life that you don't regret. You haven't hurt others and those that you love?
@@kingkazuma2239 Thank you for revealing what kind of person you are.
Great video, and thank goodness Michelle Yeoh got the Everything, Everywhere role. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to watch Yes, Madam and Police Story 3 again.
Don't forget to include 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon' in your Michelle Yeoh marathon!
Thank you Chayenne for binging up this issue that many of us with Chinese heritage have struggled with. Jackie Chan has been a controversial figure for us, especially in Taiwan for his involvement with the CCP, we loved him for his iconic roles in Hollywood films but in the more recent years his more personal and political viewscame to light. The majority of the Western audience have yet to caught on to his views and I thank you for bringing this to the attention to some of them.
"I don’t know if freedom is a good thing" "We Chinese need to be controlled" what the fuck?
English is not his first language and also, like all socialist states, the People's Republic of China has developed some sort of siege mentality that is all too warranted when you remember what "freedom" - such as economic laissez-faire - did to the Soviet Union.
Such siege mentality is to be expected in light of the ongoing Cold War with the US.
That's a surprisingly common thing that a lot of asian parents believe, the freedom thing i mean
Freedom is not a good thing. Look at bloody western countries 😂🤮🤢
He hasn't been screwed by the commies yet. Wait til he says something derogatory about the ccp. Jackie who? Never heard of him.
During the height of attention on Hong Kong, Jackie Chan was called out for supporting China and it was ridiculous how many people tried to infantilize him. Like “oh he probably doesn’t know as a Chinese citizen, the censorship there is so strict after all!” Like no one wanted to believe he is maliciously for the colonization of other countries. I think anybody who isn’t indoctrinated to imperialist values or prioritizes their own self interests wouldn’t have done what he did.
Hong Kong is a part of China though? Cant colonize yourself
Wonderful analysis! Despite his kids' questionable personal lives, I feel like they deserve to have at least something (especially his daughter who was in poverty). Although I'm glad that he shows regret and concern for his past actions, he still doesn't seem like wonderful guy they represented on the screen. He seems greedy, over-ambitious, and putting his work WAY before his own family. That's quite the polar opposite of his TV persona (with the exception of the violent part).
Thanks for making this honest video about Jackie. I grew up on Jackie too since the late 90's, though as boy, (and a non-asian) I wasn't forced and I thoroughly enjoyed them. Honestly for years I didn't even know he was married AND had kids, that were born, and raised here in the U.S. since he never really mentioned them. So when his autobiography came out, it made sense. Though I did know about his parents forcing him to live with strangers. I'm not sure if he's actually pro-china, since a lot of Hong Kong actors have said similar things (to keep their jobs and not get censored I think). Donnie Yen's a good example of an actor who bends over backwards with pro-china and anti-western films, even today.
Anyways, we can still enjoy Jackie's films, even if our perceptions of the man may have changed. Again thanks for the video!👍
Well that's upsetting. I haven't really followed martial arts movies since I had to retire due to disability, but it was Jackie who got me into filmmaking and choreography. Initially Jet Li and Van Damme got me into martial arts but Jackie got me into the craft. Super disappointing to know this stuff. Super glad he passed on Everything Everywhere, what we got with Michelle Yeoha nd Ke Huy Quan was sublime and Jackie could only have made it different and less good. I'd rather see more of Ke Guy Quan ^_^
Jackie Chan was the only celebrity that I wanted to meet for over a decade. I admired him so much. Once I learned he cut his gay daughter off for being gay, I was so heavily disappointed. I’m back to not wanting to meet a single celebrity.
I think he cut her off before she was even born
@@dollardeals01Yes, he did. He never supported her, and felt no care or responsibility.
It was not for being gay it was because she was a bastard child of an affair (not saying it’s right). You would be surprised but more cultures around the world don’t accept the gay community
Nobody's perfect bro
@@kingkazuma2239 plenty of imperfect people don’t abandon their children. 🤷
aligning actors with their roles is so weird, like yeah he plays a nice goofy guy but that is exactly that *a play*
if he is a good actor then who he is while playing doesn't mean shit. actors aren't themselves but creations and I think people forget that a lot
12:10 no, he said he made a mistake that EVERY man would make, it angered the public when he came out with that non apology
Also, hong kongers born as late as the 80s do believe they are Chinese but mostly with ethnicity connotation instead of the political affinity we know today.
I follow some other channels that have suggested that Jackie Chan is actually a terrible person, and this video just rounds out that conclusion. I'm sad to say it, he's always played such likeable characters and I heard he was cool to his fans, but fuck right off with the abandoning of your children.
His parents pretty much abandoned him too you know
I was disappointed when I learned more and more about him, as I became an adult and the internet became a common household tool. Of course, back then and up through till around the #MeToo Movement, you really couldn't talk about these things, because we were still under the belief amongst the majority that celebrities were sacred beings free of human limitations & consequence. The icing on the cake was his response to Michelle Yeoh during Everything Everywhere All At Once. I grew up loving both of them since the early-90's, when you could only find most of their movies at flea markets. Although, Jackie Chan was never a hero of mine, he stood for a level of ethos and morality that sadly was not attainable for a single, flawed human being.
They say, "never meet your heroes." However, I think it's more apt to "never make your heroes."
I really like Jackie Chan - The Martial Artist and The Entertainer
*But I really don't like Jackie Chan the Person*
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Back then when I heard about he not wanting to give wealth to his son, I felt that it was weird but didn't think too much of it at that time. Fast forward now, it became one of many red flags that Jackie is not like what I thought he is in public.
he doesn't want to give his wealth to his children because he want to leave them for charity. he seen how REAL poverty and disaster hurt people who really don't have a means to recover. his logic is his children has a full body, they can make their own living. however, there are people who can't, and he decided those would be the people he care for. there is alot of biasness some people had against him because of their own political agenda. they don't bother to really explain why he made those decision and cherry pick their point. chan has always led in the entertainment industry to support charity work. yet despite that is such a big part of his life, it is never mention. don't you find that odd?
It is interesting to watch this video and i am surprised to know he seems to be really popular around 2000s overseas. To me, a hongkonger currently in my 30s, he was popular in the 80s and 90s. He was more like a powerful notorious weird old man in the industry who had poor conduct and often touched girls inappropriately than a hero in my childhood memory.
He made four or so big hits in the US but he is largely seen as a has been in America. Most of his movies are straight to DVD and of those I think all but one was made in China.
Jackie grew up in a different time, raised in a traditional hustlers life style. We can't ignore the influence that nuture has on a person on a human
He is not a caring person. Perhaps because he was not cared about by loving parents. So he learned to use the world and everyone in it. But I'm more impressed by the last statements of this episode. It is not easy to let go of the learned perceptions that we are all taught about people from countries not your own. Entire cultures are wrongly demonized, because of skin color or religion. And who benefits from the separation that comes from taught racism, colorism, and sexism? Nothing will change until talk becomes action. I don’t have the answers but letting go of some fear has to be part of understanding.
Yeah, this is why I prefer not to know much about living famous people's personal lives. I mean, it's cool when you hear them talking publicly about important issues, but often, they happen to be very flawed humans (or simply the worst).
Recently I innocently googled MIA, thinking "I wonder if she have released a new album" and the first search result was her being antivaxx and tweeting about she believing there are nanobots in the vaccines.
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It's too bad he really isnt the nurturing father figure we've seen in countless films, the most recent one of which was Teenage Mutant Turtles: Mutant Mayhem. I really enjoyed that movie and I'll continue to love it, but not because of him.
It does confuse me why they cast a Chinese actor to voice Master Splinter, a Japanese Character.
Personally I would have cast George Takei instead.
are you really surprised that the guy who created amazing cinema with countless broken bones, isn't the best father figure? put it into perspective. he's at the top of his game.
(Un)fortunately off-spring isn't entitled to the parent's fortune while they're still alive (if not generational, which is so rare anyway).
@@eamonndeane587 I mean does it really matter? I doubt many people are genuinely going to care and go on intensive research on the cast and even more so on their ethnic background
I appreciate this video a lot! My mom had the biggest celebrity crush on Jackie Chan but she started realizing how much she dislikes him as a person.
I do agree with most of the points you brought up. However, I think his views on politics is taken with little context. He grew up in HK during the imperial rule of the British. He along with his family and friends were treated like second class citizens. Why wouldn't he push for better relationships with the mainland after unification? It was obvious that most of the turmoil and riots were pushed by the CIA and other western countries. Was this for freedom? Of course not. They didn't push for it prior to 1997 so why would they care now? Why would Jackie Chan work with them to destabilize HK? That doesn't make any sense.
Ah yes because it's not like there is literal stigma against mainlanders in Hong Kong right now
In 1997 we didn't know Wolf Warrior diplomacy was going to be a thing. Besides, if Jackie Chan is not as popular in Hong Kong as he is in the West, why should his opinion matter more than the people of Hong Kong?
This is honestly why I never understood worshiping entertainers and other famous people. We do not know these people. We just know their artistic/athletic skillset.
I am not ready to watch this yet, Jackie Chen's films are what made my childhood bearable
Its hard for me to accept as well
You can just not watch it. It's ok.
He’s not that bad, he’s just not perfect! People act like celebrities are perfect god like beings and when they make human mistakes like the rest of us, it’s gets blown out of proportion. People act like he’s bull Cosby or something
@@brumtownmiller6130yeah, and you can also separate art from the artist
@@brumtownmiller6130 i dont think being a shitty father is a mistake
My ick will always be fathers abandoning their children either financially or emotionally
But not mothers???
@@matttheamerican3766 Please stop with this false equivalency bull crap. Women don't abandon their children at the rate that men do, and that is a fact.
Men love to tote on about how men and women are different, but when it's something that may make the male sex look bad, it's the "well, women do it too" justification."
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This whataboutism.
@@chimpwimp9407 dude could have said parents that abandon their children but chose to slight only scummy men and not scummy women as if its a some one sided issue. Comments like that skew the issue and muddy the waters of progress.
You clearly dont know what whataboutism even means. I guess your name is correct
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This is clearly supposed to be about Jackie Chan and not scummy celebrities in general. If that were the case then you would be right.
It is pretty wild to learn this about the guy because someone mistook an actress in that clip as his real-life daughter. Having someone chime in and go, "Actually, that man's a menace."
There's a reason China didn't want Jackie to be portrayed as a villain in movies.
I kinda agree on the money part with Jackie.
I mean, Jaycee should work for his own money yes, but, his father can and should help him when things aren't going well (all parents should help their kids when needed).
In Peru every kid and even adult called him "Uncle Jackie", because we felt as if he was everyone's family (family is very important here and we have never called any actor that way).
We did not infantilize him, but we saw him as this cool dude you'd want as family...
I actually knew the stuff about his daughter. I read about it somewhere and that was def when the bloom was off the rose for me. But a good amount of this stuff I never knew, (I knew about the misogyny too) although i did know about his support of China's authoritarian regime and the crackdowns on the protestors there.
"Authoritarian regime"... come on, now. -_-
I regret learning about his daughter. It's a shame she didn't take after her mom more. Looks like a female jackie.
My family and I were huge fans of Jackie Chan. Growing up I always watched his movies when it was played in national television with my family members. I even had a knack to try to pull of some kung fu moves that Jackie did in the movies. He was cemented as household name in my country, everyone just loves his movies and entertained by his works. When my family discovered the fact that Jackie was not a good guy that we didn't really care since we liked him for his works, not into his personal level. That's why I when I talked about my favourite actors or public figures in general, I always keep the distance between their personal lives and their works because they are entirely different. I like them because of their works, and the rest is just a bonus.
What a damn shame😑 i really liked him and thought of him as the fun uncle type ever since i was a kid and up until recently the fact that we share a birthday brought me joy. Yeah...not anymore
I grew up watching his movies, it's ingrained in my memories as a child, however when I see stuff like this, him expecting his son to have been raised well when he spent every single waking moment away, it's just mind boggling, it's like leaving a dish unattended, expecting it to cook itself and be ready and delicious by the time you come back. It also doesn't go unnoticed the irony of a man who made his millions by working in Hong Kong saying the things he does
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I have been completely out of the loop about all of this, and your video is the first I'm learning about any of this. He has always seemed to be so humble, and honestly I never realized that he had a family.
I don't think that Jackie Chan is wrong for not leaving his wealth to his son, though; his son is an adult who already has the capacity and connections necessary to be more successful than the majority of people in this world, and he doesn't need anything more. I don't believe that it should be legal for people to inherit so much money that they will never need to work.
For his daughter, it's hard to know what her mother has or hasn't done just from social media posts, but I understand why a parent would feel back-footed by being called out online, justified or not, and I am not going to judge someone who is clearly unprepared for public scrutiny for what they say without more information.
Jackie Chan's politics is super problematic, though I also understand that as a Chinese national, his ability to challenge them is severely limited.
It sounds to me like he has drunk too deeply from the well of CCCP-think, and he likely doesn't know where the line between what he actually believes and what he has to claim to believe to thrive actually lies. Maybe I am too soft on him, but I don't see why his time in the U.S. should have made him change his mind, when despite his success, he was never fully embraced and remained an outsider. It's challenging to accept influence from people we see as our neighbors, much less from those who keep us always at a distance.
Is it just me who thinks that giving your fortune away to charity instead of leaving it to your kids is actually a commendable thing? I feel like generational wealth only drives disparity, so redistribution is always preferable.
theres a difference between giving it all away to charity and none for your kids and supporting your family and charity.
@@Vaitheven if you don’t think your kids deserve it! If your kids a druggy and you think if you give them your fortune, they’re just gonna blow it on drugs and parties then why not give it to people that actually need it
@@brumtownmiller6130 again theres a difference between giving away your fortune and supporting your family. i would have thought it was common sense but apparently it's not. you should always try to support people not just drop them at the first sign of trouble. only if the relationship becomes toxic do you drop them.
also chances are giving away to charity is just a tax write off... so yeh...
@@Vaith bro he gave his kid(son) the best education, best access to resources and the best start to life. He saw his son throw it away and be a proper drug addict. Why would he support that? He gave his son the ability to live his best life and set up himself for the future and his son way squandered it for a party and drug life. Jackie didn’t want to support that. If his son lived a good and productive life, sure Jackie would of spurted him more
@@brumtownmiller6130 not your bro, and my point still stands im not specifically talking just about jackie but about people as a whole.
I love your videos! I know you do not really take video ideas from your audience, but one thing I have noticed you discuss in your essays is self-Orientalism, like Jackie Chan benefitting from the exotic funny foreigner stereotype in Hollywood. It would be awesome if you ever did a whole video on this topic! I'm sure it would be huge though.
I prefer people like Sammo Hung, Chow-Yun Fat, Jet Li and these days Donnie Yen.
This depresses me, Jackie was my first celebrity I was obsessed with, Rush Hour was my first PG 13 movie
Eh James Sie of Cartoon Jackie and Monkey is a better actor
The Rush Hour films are the prime example of separating art from the artist. Such a great classic film series from personally terrible artists.
I really like when the TH-cam algorithm comes through and recommends a video that I would've probably not watched due to the length, but found myself really engaged the whole time I watched it. Good job!
Yeah i liked him very much as a kid
As an English life-long fan of JC, I feel even if he wanted to he could not go against or refuse to work with the CCP while he lives in China.Or has friends and connections there, he's too high profile. On his parenting skills well I think he is a product of his upbringing which seems like it was very rough, so you can understand if not support his views there. In the end I'm a fan of Jackie because of his skills as a performer and a film-maker and not because of his skills as a dad or because of his political beliefs. He's not the man he once was, but neither is Hong Kong the place it once was.
i saw that michelle yeoh bit with letterman before but i didn't really notice the quiet whoops and the hollers from the crowd when she said that jackie believes that women should stay at home
Two thoughts on this.
1. You can love somebody's work but hate their personal life, and that's okay. For example I love all of Tom Cruise's stuff but the guy seems like a real nutcase.
2. Being raised in a Chinese-American family, all this stuff is pretty standard. I don't think Jackie is any different than your average raised in China dad.
I have been avoiding this conversation about Jackie for years but I'm 29 going on 30 in October time for me to face the truth
Never really invested in Jackie Chan, just figured there was a market for martial arts movie but remember a few years back said he was leaving Hollywood to "make real movies" in China. The Chinese weren't as enthusiastic about that as he seemed to think and he started reappearing in Hollywood movies a year or so but I picked up on the arrogance of that one comment.
Bit of a detour, but I still come back from time to time watching 'Jackie Chan - How to Do Action Comedy' by Every Frame a Painting (9 years ago already, time flies).
It really sucks that the man that got me started in martial arts is not the man I would not want to be. I WORSHIPPED his films, even today. As a MMA fighter, people usually assume I was inspired by Bruce Lee. But, I always corrected them and tell them that I wanted to be like Jackie. I loved fighting movies and comedy’s, for him to combined both, how could I not make him a role model. But, knowing the kind of man he is, really breaks my heart. I WANT to separate the art from the artist. But to know he was who he was BECAUSE of his art. Makes this incredibly hard to do, this was a great video. Like from me!!
A Jackie led EVERYTHING everywhere would have been really interesting. I finally watched it for the first time this past weekend and loved it but would definitely have liked to see THIS alternate universe version