Are the Tories really the party of the working class? | General Election 2017
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- Guardian political editor Anushka Asthana goes behind the scenes on the Conservative and Labour campaign trails to scrutinise Theresa May’s bold claim that the Tories are now the party of the working class. Is May serious about reducing inequality or is it simply an election season ploy to win votes?
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Considering they have severely hurt and targeted the working class with huge austerity measures, all whilst looking after the rich, I would answer that question with a resounding NO.
Jacob Lee it's hasn't. the Tories destroyed education and health services
@@barbaraboardman4444 'destroyed health services' - please can you back this up with some evidence; any at all.
Yorkshire MGTOW trying to privatise the nhs and mainly just jeremy hunt
@@yorkshiremgtow1773 tw*t
@@oldfridge5059 Between agency nurses and the privately (and Tory friend) owned Serco administration company handling NHS admin the Tories have already started stealth privatising the NHS piece by piece.
If the Tories get another decade they will eat it all and enrich themselves and their friends to the tune of £billions in the process.
Tories for the working class? I'm assuming this is a joke?
Absolutely ridiculous...
LOL, I agree, they have never been for the working class, remember Thatcher ?
Haha is this a joke now
Louise Gardiner this aged well
The tories may not be, but corbyns Labour certainly fuckiung isnt
@@RickyHGV corbyns labour did well where labour has always done well, urban areas which includes both the middle class and working class. Poorer rural areas however were more likely to vote tory, largely due to brexit. This is why Anglesey, which in many places is rather deprived, voted tory.
Turkey's voting for christmas.
drknow2006 atleast you understand
But it's a mainly Islamic country. Why would they do that?
drknow2006, In a nutshell, if you are talking about laughable Labour?
My friend you are right! Teresa may is a vile lying cow who only wants money for herself and her rich friends!
yep that about sums it up really.
There is so many idiotic people around these days, its quite worrying. How could you vote Tory?
Haha, how the fuck could you vote Tory? vote for NHS cuts, police cuts, working people going to food banks and taking money from the disabled at the same time giving tax cuts to the rich. you don't that's how.
I totally agree with you.
+Walter Khayyam Instead of just saying "the labour party are fucking nutters, how's about trying to prove your point, you fucking cretin.
Tories are ignorant con artists wanting us all to vote for them with no cost or direction and when in power kick down young people and the vulnerable what a sad guy u really must be a very lonely guy with a stinking attitude
I'm sorry, have you seen how much the Tories have borrowed? and have they reduced the deficit or the national debt? Nope it has risen, so there policies are clearly not working. Have you heard the expression "you have to have money to make money, well if you invest in people and business then you will receive your money back and then some that's exactly what labour want to do, we shouldn't be scared of borrowing but we need to make sure its for the right reason and not just to give it to give it to big company's in the form of tax breaks.
Anyone who thinks the Tories represents the working class needs a head check
Well. To think that way in the first place ist like falling for ads in general. Oh how much corporations claim that they do everything for the customer...including creating proprietary and planned obsolescence nonsense.
Or take banks and insurancers...
Summarized: they only work if they feel existentially threatened and the customer has the real power.
It's incredibly disheartening to see people so willing to vote against their own interests, I wonder if these working class anti-Corbynites have thought at all about the actual substance of his policies
Awesome Avenger alot of substance in your argument I see
That is not true. It was a six word reply with two full stops.
a lot of them don't think, chris.
Expected Toulouse yes and sadly that means they are destined to fall for the whims of the media - underscoring the need for credibility from the Guardian, in a world dogged by Murdochian publications, which has sadly been missing. Sadly there's nothing free about a corporate, capitalist press. We need mandatory politics educations for all students as well as a system that encourages free thought.
Holy shit, they've gone full blown communist! That didn't take long!
The Tories have apposed anything that is good for the working class people.
NHS=Labour
Social Housing=Labour
Benefit system for the poor=Labour
Working Rights=Labour
Tories will not be happy until we return to Victorian times.
STRONG AND STABLE STRONG AND STABLE STRONG AND STABLE YADDAYADDAYADDA...
BWEXIT MEANS BWEXIT HURRDURR...
Nah it's just that i can't stand hollow political spin doctor mantras like STRONG AND STABLE. Jonathan is just one of the comedians who noticed it as well. Theresa is a bit like a parrot have you not noticed? Fuck arguments when you can just go STRONG AND STABLE.
Also what bugs me is, that she never says for whom britain is supposed to be strong and stable. For the workers? For the companies? For the rich? She seems to just want to hold onto power and power in itself is not a wholesome objective for a prime minister.
Just the fact that she thinks longer jail sentences will deter extremists from commiting further atrocities shows how delusional she has become.
"Eww stinky poor people" Stephen Tries as Theresa May 2017
Maybe there should be more interviews with young people. I only saw people over 35 in this video. I think that is really worrying, because it doesn't represent society.
memyselfandY21 Young people moaning all the time. Working class. A lot of young people are on courses or haven't worked long enough to understand it. From what ten years of graft actually amounts to.
gary abbot But that doesn't mean young people don't have problems nor does it mean that they shouldn't be heard.
memyselfandY21 Yes, but this video is specifically aimed for the working class. People that have been working for years and have made a lifestyle around that.
You're right. But I still would love a video about young people.
memyselfandY21 I'm sure there's a load of there somewhere.
Like the Guardian would know anything about the working class!
Like the Conservative party would know anything about Tories.
@@JJ-te2pi I mean, they are the Tories, so...
the tory party are there to do one thing, to make the rich even richer and keep the poor working for them, on the least amount of money as possible, and to keep taxing the poor out of as much money as they can get away with, whilst at the same time helping the super rich to avoid tax all together!!!!
Slugs voting for salt.
jACK,,YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO OTHER PEOPLES MONEY!
Jack Taylor well i would rather vote for that than for Jeremy Corbyn
None of the ppl interviewed are working class...
What about the guy in the pub?
Did the guy making the roll up fail to convince? 😂
Mnd0vrMnky 😂 one day, if he works hard, he'll get a roller machine like posh folk.
Not one ferret between the lot of them! XD
Yeah damn right someone interview a really working class person like owen jones
Tories are sly and evil - wake up for heavens sake!!!!
many working class people see brexit (rightly or wrongly) as the reason for all their problems so may taking a tough line on it in a weird way makes her for the working classes. However, in terms of schools/NHS et cetera the idea of the Tories as the party of the working class is utterly laughable
having said that, what they do with brexit - workers rights et cetera - is another matter. Many might find themselves disappointed with what they get
I’m working class and fully supportive of the Conservative’s economic policy
@@brumav9779 How's that ageing?...personally I like seeing working class people spite themselves but will always vote labour for their benefit even though I'm now middle-class.
@@brumav9779How's that working out for you?
LOL how can anyone see the Tories as a party of the working man, even if you think Labour has strayed from their origins? To think they're a party of the working man is delusional.
Conservatives represent workers, Labour represent the workshy.
We owe the NHS to Labour! 🌹
The fact that the Guardian (of all newspapers) has to ask this question is an example of what's wrong with our country.
Middle class reporter reporting on the working class.
Never trust a politician no matter what party they are from.
A conservative party political broadcast by the guardian.
The Guardian talking about the working class there.
Yeah, because you can only talk about the working class if you wear a flat cap, work down a mine and live in a two-up two-down in Yorkshire in the 1960s.
The working person couldn't wait to have 100 billion of their cash spent on nuclear war heads and super fast trains. Just what they needed.
Quick answer for anyone who has paused to look at the comments: No.
Have a nice day
I've always voted conservative but I cannot bring myself to vote for Teresa may, she is awful and a failure at everything. the more I see of Corbyn the more I like him, and the treatment he has had in the media is quite shocking. why aren't they asking why Teresa May won't publish the report into the funding of extremist groups and clerics in the UK by middle eastern countries? why aren't they asking why she sanctioned the Manchester bomber to go Libya in 2011 to fight Gaddafi and then let him back in to bomb us?
I guess if you include bankers and hedge fund managers as 'working class'.
On cultural values, the conservative party represents the white working class. However, on everything else, Labour is WAY better.
But people still choose to vote Conservatives, it’s beyond me..
The 'working class' these days own there own home, drive a Mercedes and earn around £35000 a year
turkeys voting for christmas thats a working class tory
No, the Tories will never be a party that helps the working class, very much the opposite in fact. What's Vladimir Putin doing having a pint in a working men's club @ 3:40?
I would make the NHS the lithmus test: World Bank per capita health care expenditures in USD in 2014: UK 3,900, U.S. 9,200, average for wealthy * European countries and Canada 5,000 - 5,500, Australia 6,000, Norway plus 8,000. You ADD 40 / 45 % to the UK expenditures and land at the German and Austrian level (5,600 resp. 5,400). The NHS is and always has been a very cost efficient system (certainly the most cost-efficient in Europe, among the best in the world - of course other better funded system might have been better or more comfortable) According to Larry Sanders it runs on 100 billion GBP a year now, the Tories CUT 15 - 20 BILLIONS in the last 6 -8 years (which is HUGE), and plan 20 billions more in cuts. The word RECKLESS and RUTHLESS comes to mind. - The average voter may not know it - but it is the job of a politician to know that you cannot have a system worthy of a First World Country without some MINIMUM funding. - They evoke the vision of financial problems w/o ever mentioning that the UK always has spent much less than comparable nations. - the honest thing would be to admit that they do not want to have modern healthcare for EVERYONE - hard to sell that in a democracy.
Intentionally undermining the NHS makes sense (in an evil way), a public health service that works well (enough) and is still among the most cost efficient in the world * cannot be sold off to for-profit interests. Public means NON profit ! - in the eyes of the conservatives it is a major flaw that such a large chunk of the economy will on principle not benefit the financier and rentier class.
* comparing wealthy nations ! wages are a huge factor in healthcare, so you can compare Australia with France, Denmark, or Germany. The average wages in Hungary or Poland for instance are much lower so that is not comparable.
Public means: it is only meant to do well for the patients and the staff (while staying within a reasonable budget).
Let me repeat: they have a healthcare system with lean funding that works O.K. and then the financial crisis (Banking crisis !) and the high costs of the wars (which the population did not want in the first place) and the high costs of the bank bailouts and the economic downturn were the PRETEXT to IMPOSE AUSTERITY and to make MASSIVE CUTS.
NEVER LET A GOOD CRISIS GO TO WASTE to wreck the publicly funded systems (that benefit only the low to middle income people and on top they might ask the wealthier segment to contribute more in comparsion to fund the healthcare and social care systems).
The madness has method and history behind it: Thatcher publicly promised to not touch the NHS, secretly planned otherwise - and her team made a massive intervention, they were not as ideological and realized that move could amount to policital suicide.
Any party willing to compromise the healthcare and social care system, a press (owned by rich persons !) that does not call a spade a spade - and the part of the opposition (New Labour) that does not fiercly oppose and call out those schemes are useless/evil/reckless/sell-outs.
Tory supporters strike me as a bit thick.
TravellingShoes You didn't think that comment through LOLLLLLLL
Any working class person who votes conservative is very uneducated.
Because tax cuts for the rich are the same as tax cuts for the rest of us.
..like turkeys voting for christmas
I despise people who don't vote for a particular party, due to them not liking the leader, despite the fact they admit they align with their views. For example, Jeremy Corbyn isn't going to personally give your kids food, he isn't personally going to drag the NHS back to where it belongs, he isn't personally gonna plop down more police officers on the street, it's LABOUR that will do that. Silly to vote on personality over policies.
That man at the end.. what a hero
politics everywhere is the same.
This question doesn't even need to be asked. We all know the answer.
VOTE for the NEW BREXIT party.
What's wrong with "Posh People" we are people too.
When talking about if the conservatives are for the working class can we be objective . Dont ask opinions just look at the policies and the effects . Policies are ignored in politics despite being the only substantial thing we can measure the success of a government . Look at how the tories cut public services and keep wages low . On purpose .
The Labour Party a bunch of rich people telling poor people that the reason they are poor is other rich people
No.
So much hate in these comments yet no evidence......
So The Guardian is stumping for the Tories now? Yikes.
Neither Labour or tories are for the working class.
Didn't quite work out for you did it Torys,hahahahaha
Mays behaviour is like the one of a politician of the opposition
Never have been, never will be.
wow I can't believe the labour MP's stated may isn't for the working class. she must not be if they said so. bloody hell.
Tax breaks for the rich, austerity for the poor and predjudice for everyone else.
The real division in the country is now between small-c conservatism and an independent UK, and progressivism and being part of the EU. The parties don't yet reflect that division, still clinging onto the old facade of left vs. right, and a new facade of being pro-Brexit, when in actual fact, the majority of MPs, Lords, civil service, media and academia are pro-EU progressives. The small-c conservative, patriotic voters aren't represented in parliament anywhere near as much as their numbers in the country.
That's an issue which the political system is not addressing.
If Brexit is the sole issue for people... God help us!
Whenever some chap says "I'm a working class kid from - insert name here", you know they ain't working class anymore...Vote Corbyn anyway!
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL BE THE PARTY OF THE WORKING CLASS.
LABOUR IS FOR THE WORKING PEOPLE.
Working people. They just like stealing taxes from the working people to give to people on benefits. Give their voters more free stuff so they vote for them.
Communists also aren't for the working class.
It is unsurprising that class consciousness is not something you can take for granted. I would, however, emphasise that the media currently play a large role in framing political narratives and obscuring class interests, which lends itself to a lot of confusion. I suppose the economy and the types of jobs available also contribute to this, since the workplace today is vastly different than it was in the past, i.e., a smaller workforce, less camaraderie, etc.
More than Liebour are. But of course this ia an absolutely proposterous question. The idea that anyone in Parliament represents the working class is laughable.
"WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."
and the man who wrote it was a socialist and a labour party member
IngSoc didn't have a real ideology. It's aesthetic, however, is much more reminiscent of the Nazis - it certainly was not socialist.
IngSoc sought to undermine socialism and everything it stood for. They were never Socialist, as revealed in the book. Anyone that honestly believes Corbyn is a democratic socialist, cannot logically insist he's IngSoc or any other 1984 parallels, especially since Orwell was also a democratic socialist, and would likely vote for Corbyn today. Same can be said for paranoid equations to V for Vendetta and Corbyn's Labour; It's writer Alan Moore doesn't vote, but he said people should vote Labour if they want to *avoid* V for Vendetta coming true.
Anyone who claims they're not racist is racist
Its more a case of Labour ditching the Working class, rather than the Conservative party absorbing them.
Theresa Mayhem
How do they when they give the Rich Tax breaks also we’re actually paying more in council tax than the Rich .
The Labour party manifesto pledge to introduce a Land Value tax (THE GARDEN TAX) means that everybody who lives in a house will PAY a minimum of £1250pa , or more typically £3000pa if you live in a family sized house irrespective of what your income is. This pledge is hidden in their manifesto because it will HIT YOUR POCKET HOWEVER POOR YOU ARE.
even the homeless?
Most of the homeless live in large cities like London, Manchester, Birmingham and Liverpool where the local Labour councils have been in power for decades and have totally failed to remedy the situation.
Thats a complete sodding lie
I don't get it.
So, both parties are claiming they work for the working class?
Ironic how you're doing a piece on "the working class" and your reporter labels charity workers as "Chuggers".
I will vote and slate for Labour Party Jeremy Corbyn
Are Labour? Nope
The expression 'dictatorship of the proletariat' sounds entirely offensive to most people who have been brought up and educated in Capitalist societies. In Britain, our schooling leaves us with the most narrow view regarding the questions of democracy and dictatorship. We are taught that democracy and dictatorship are mutually exclusive and that there is a straight line from 'most democratic'to 'most dictatorial'. This education deliberately disregards the fact that British democracy is, in reality, democracy for the Capitalist class alone. Yes, there are multiple political parties, but these all represent the Capitalist class. The policies of the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the Green Party, the Liberal Democrats, UKIP, SNP and Plaid Cymru are the policies of business, of private property, of exploitation, and of imperialism. The working class does not have the slightest say in how the country is run, in fact, the entire British state is geared towards the armed suppression of the working class. Granted, this is difficult to appreciate in times of relative social peace, but it's all too clear during times of unrest; just look back at the role played by the police and the army during the General Strike of 1926, or the Miners'Strike of 1984. Therefore, British democracy can be considered as the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, it is democratic to the extent that there is democracy for the Capitalist class via parliament and various extra-parliamentary bodies. And it therefore differs from the total bourgeois dictatorship of Nazi Germany. However, it is dictatorial on the sense that the Capitalist class maintains its exploitative relationship with the working class through means of repression.
So do the Brits like immigrants in general? Was that even the big deal with brexit voters as much as it was made out to be?
The Labour Party doesn’t make anyone rich 🤷♂️
Short answer: *Nope.*
I've not watched this yet gonna I'm gonna go with a strong no, but they probs have overlapping interest which have made working class people vote for them in the last 20 years or so.
Any Labour comeback appears to be too little, too late. For too long, Corbyn and the MPs refused to cooperate, and so these MPs soon began to amplify the criticisms of Corbyn people so often hear, in a bid to try and get him out. Only now do the two groups appear to actually be working together, but the criticism of Corbyn and Labour has taken a permanent hold. Theresa May was cunning to capitalise on this internal quarreling.
*All working class Tories talk and act like the Bad Cog from Conker's Bad Fur Day.*
turkeys voting for christmas
"Forward together"
British version of "I'm with her"?
Both sound meaningless to me.
It sounds like "Let's not talk about the issues."
Labour doesn’t represent working class towns, totally lost touch,I’m from a labour town but I would rather vote conservatives
This aged very badly
This feels horribly outdated since the debates.
Most of the people in this video are like "I think Corbyn is a bit shit so I'm going to support the people that want me dead"
Who's laughing now.
Torie political ideology is totally incompatible with the working class structure [which is fundamentally induced by and a reactive consequence of the middle classes]it strives for a country containing all citizens being self employed citizens working on the basic principle of capitalism as a goal in life both socially and professionally. Evolved capitalism in a modern expanding society is both detrimental to democracy in the long run and works on the principle that the more money you have the more power you hold over the working classes.
I want Diane Abbott as my Home Secretary. That's why I'm voting for Corbyn. And Lady Nugee for whatever she does too.
I have no idea what's going on but watching uk old/new uk political news makes me feel better about trumpers. Idk why, it's not as bad as trump
Clearly not
I can't see this being subjective in any way shape or form...
The problem is May. She looks like an elitist. She is very similar to Hillary Clinton. Voters vote based on looks so conservatives need to get someone who looks working class who talks like a working class person. So long as this person looks working class, acts working class, but then puts in policies that benefit billionaires, such as cutting corporate tax rates and deregulation the finance sector, then they will have a great political career.
The Conservative party is the most successful party in history. Their ideology is populism, they just adapt.
0:02 / 10:06
Are the Tories really the party of the working class? NO.
give it a rest maybe this would have been believable when the election was called but the tide has turned round now
And Guardian's suppose to be a bastion of the left?? Haha!! Looks like a Tory in Red!
Currently you can’t really say the tories represent the working class, but if they can do more than say by creating jobs where they are needed and fixing communities, then maybe they can fix their reputation.
Is think old people have gone senile thinking May would be good for them
For me it's the easiest decision I will ever have to make, I couldn't even think of voting Tory after finally seeing labour becoming actually left wing again.
#VoteLabour
Can somebody explain what a Torie is? Sincerly not BRITISH person..
Conservatives, the far left party people vote for some reason
Now Tories don't even have a majority in Parliament!
In a word, no.