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I dont know why you keep insisting that the Camaro is heavy?? They are only around 3400 lbs, with a V8, M6, Rwd, ect. They also have fiberglass panels. at 3400 lbs, with say 315Hp, thats a power to weight ratio of 0.093 hp/lb. Theyre thicc, not fat. BTW. a 2500lb 170 HP Miata is only 0.068 hp/lb. And Mk4 Supras were about 3400 LBS too. They wouldnt be used for drag racing if they were too heavy, lol.
Not here to argue, just set a few things straight, I never thought 3,300 pounds was heavy, my road racing 93 weighs 2,850 with a cage, on a road trip my Z28's will do over 30 mpg, decades ago the 93 through 97 were called the Maco Shark, Catfish came along 98 and up, they are among one of the best handling cars ever produced, don't have a clue where you got that info, I've been road racing these cars for over 30 years, they are as fast as anything produced today, one of the most durable and reliable cars money can buy, and as far as looks go that's a matter of opinion.
Yeah I'm not sure if homie even did any research on these honestly. They're far from heavy, actually lighter than most pony cars today, and they're surprisingly great on gas. My '02 LS1 is getting like 31 on the highway, and even 16/17 in the city. Sure a 4cyl Camry is gonna do better but that's a very odd car to compare this to, especially today when everyone is driving trucks and SUVs that only get 20 on the highway anyway
What i find funny is the 3800 v6 is one of the best engines ever made. If you want to call the 3400 or whatever other v6 options before 96 or 95 then sure but wow this video is not for me at all
hey, I have an automatic v6 98 camaro which I just bought, do you think it's smart to try to ls swap the car? & do you agree that the 90's automatic transmission isn't as good at switching gears?
FINALLY IVE BEEN CALLED ON! I drive a 2000 Trans Am, big ol LS1 with a 6 speed manual paired to it. Its my first car. I wouldn't trade my car for anything. They all need to be updated to LED's, new radio, some comfort stuff like that. But power wise, its phenomenal still, and its cheap, simple, and straight forward to make great power out of the car. The chassis is solid too, slides when ya want, grips when ya need, they're just awesome cars. GET YOU ONE! They're getting more and more expensive every day.
How has your experience been with owning one as your first car I’m currently doing that as a 17 year old and I’ve had a lot of fun with it so far just stilling learning manual
They are anything but cheap to work on. You can't even find a lot of the parts for these cars anymore. You better hope you don't need weatherstripping for the doors or t-tops because NOBODY sells them. Reverse lens fall out on your tail lights? I hope you got $500 for a set of used tail lights that will have the same problem when they get hot in the summer.
@@jhonperez413 I love my car, I believe I will keep it until I die. It has problems, it had the fuel pump go out, 400 with labor to upgrade. a window motor, about another 400. replacing the cracked taillights, 300 but i re-cleared a new set myself. and simple stuff like that. Its been amazing besides that simple little stuff. I changed all the fluids for about $700. the interior has lasted well, only small cracks on the doors, i keep a dash cover so no cracks there. Just keep the car nice and itll do the same to you, theyre so unique, so raw to drive, if they make you smile every time you look at them, the drive will make you giggle. I didnt know how to drive manual when i bought it btw, you will learn.
@@kenshinhimura9387 Dude I bought a set of used taillights for $300 shipped, sanded and re-cleared them. This summer has been 100f days back to back for weeks, theyve lasted wonderfully. You can buy 90% of the parts to assemble and get an LS running at Autozone, or in a junkyard. UPS trucks, ur moms SUV, my sports car, all interchangeable, get creative these cars arent for the unwilling.
@@SweatCookienese after a couple months now and working on it I can say it’s the most fun car I have ever ridden in it’s just raw power I love the 6 speed I love the ls1 and it’s just grown on me and I love how it’s special in today’s generation not many people like these cars but I love it
Camaro 4th Gen the good bad and ugly corrections list. Ok. Im going to post this simply as informative corrections. The video had a lot of errors. Here is the breakdown. (A lot of these things apply to its cousin the Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am) Also please take a look at the 4th Gen forums, Ls1tech LTxTech. As mentioned the community is cool, not all of us are grandpas or old in general. (Im 31) The 4th generation Camaro is divided into early and late 4th gen’s. The early Camaros were not “catfish” Camaros. The 1993-1997 Camaros had recessed headlights and much more angular aggressive lines. These are the “shark face, shark nose” cars. 93-97 Camaros come as base models and Z28’s. 96-97 Chevrolet (in conjunction with SLP) also offered the SS model. Trims: 93-95 base models came with 3.4L V6’s 96-97 base models came with 3.8L V6’s (3800 series II) both offered automatics or T5 manuals. 93-97 Z28’s came with the 5.7L V8 (350ci) Gen II LT1’s with power ranging from 275hp (93-95) and 285hp (96-97) The 96-97 SS cars also had LT1’s and ram air pushed power to 305. All V8 equipped cars either got a 4L60E (93 got non electronically controlled 4L60) 4 speed automatics or a Borg Warner T56 manual 6 speed transmission. *** LT4 5.7L V8 engine was only ever placed into 108 4th generation Camaros. They are extremely rare, if you see one for sale, it is NOT real(jokes aside real ones are going to be in the neighborhood of $40-50k). 100 of these LT4 equipped cars were for the US market. 6 were produced for Canada, and 2 were designated test mules for GM. 330hp on these cars*** SIDE note: The 1997 cars were a bridge year and received the more popular interior update (1 useable flip out cup holder) held by the 1998-2002 cars, as well as the refreshed tail lights. The 1998-2002 Camaro’ YES THE ACTUAL CATFISH. Bulbous headlights softer front fascia, but more performance. Trims: 98-02 Base models all had the 3.8L V6 (3800 series II) 98-02 RS package cars were mainly cosmetic packages+ suspension bits for base model cars. Modifications came from SLP (street legal performance) 98-02 Z28’s 5.7L V8 LS1 (346ci) 305hp (98-00) and 310 (01-02) (underrated to not cannibalize C5 sales) 98-02 SS’s 5.7L V8 LS1 (346ci) 320hp (98-00) and 325HP (01-02) These also were offers with 4L60E 4 speed automatics OR with Tremec built T56 6 speed Manuals. SS cars from both early and late Camaros will easily be recognized with their Ram Air Hoods and raised rear deck lid spoilers. They also feature special suspension packages along with options for Torsen or Auburn limited slip differentials factory hurst short shifters etc. They also had special Wheels available “ZR1’s” 17x9 from 96-99 then “10 spokes” 17x9 2000-2002 4th generation Camaros could come as Hardtop, T-Top (NOT TARGA) or convertibles depending on trims. Side note: T-Tops are 2 removable glass roof panels, a Targa top is a SINGLE removable roof panel in either glass or some composite panel that matches the body composition. LT1 vs LS1 both made good power LT1 is more finnicky and requires more attention to detail and a hard core owner (see opti spark distributor system and ignition issues). Still a worthy option, IMO it sounds better and more aggressive than the LS cars. (Deeper tones) LS1 made more power its newer, parts availability is great, everyone knows how to work on them, it’s like building legos. They cost more than the early ones. See 98-02 vs 93-97. I’ve owned both. I know the realities of both. Issues: Interior is period GM, plastic, creaky, etc. it is what it is. They fit taller people really well. (I’m 6’5) Water pump issues were mostly 93-97 LT1 cars, (harder to work on). Not an investment. LS1 cars were $5k for forever LT1’s $3-4k. If you bought one back in 2008-2018, then yes you can sell 2-3x now if it’s not clapped. Don’t see them climbing much higher but hey take it as you will. (Yes I know show car stock ones are selling for $20-30k with low ass miles) odds are you don’t have one that clean. So most are 2-3x more than the prices listed above from. There’s more but this is already a novel.
Good job, I own several gen 4 LT1 Camaro's, I have never personally had a problem with the water pump or the opti, a couple notes, never use the hose under the hood, and if you replace the opti look up PETRIS, aftermarket ones are junk like MSD or ACCEL.
I disagree about them not being an investment. If you find a boomer owner low mileage one I'd recommend scooping it up. They're becoming increasingly hard to find in good shape due to their relatively low msrp and tuneability. Most people modded them to hell.
Well, excuse me mark but you're wrong on the years of 4th gen camaro is 1993 to 2002 and 3rd gen are 1982 to 1992 so please take it as 'constructive criticism' not a rant ok young dude have good night bye now.
Of course I’ll take that as constructive criticism haha I appreciate when ppl correct me in a respectful way bc at the end of the day, I do not want to spread misinformation
Easy to work on? You obviously have never been under the hood of a 4th gen. Theirs no room under there. Half the engine is under the windshield, and if you have the LT1, have fun with swapping your optispark. Damn near gotta take off everything running on your serpentine belt just to get your distributor off.
Few things I noticed if Im not too late to the party: -1993-2002 model year -v6 options were 3.4L v6 and then in 1995 there was the option for the 3800 series 2 v6 with the 3.4L engines. Then in 1996 the 3800 series 2 became standard --- the 3800 Series v6's were one if (if not the) most reliable engine GM made, and the modability for them is pretty damn good. -The one thing they were known to have problems with was the Optispark system, especially the early early 4th gens. -the rear ends were known to be a little weak with the 7.5/7.6 rear. (Same as my gbody, but with some mods, weren't too bad depending on power level) - 1/4 mile track times varied a bit depending on the stock rear end gearing, especially the later 4th gens -Later 4th gens were different with the z/28 and optional SLP SS' - The 4L60E trans were known to be a weak link, however could be built to handle the power. They were essentially electronically controlled th700R4's (i prefer my th2004r transmission in my Gbody) -I'd have to counter and say the chassis is pretty good for handling actually. The factory made 1LE 4th gens were a testiment to that Good vid though! Would have been neat to mention the 1997 LT4 engine camaros (really rare), or the late 4th gen ZL1 phase 1, 2, and 3 cars. Look forward to more vids!
I totally agree with you, good knowledge, every engine offered in these gen 4's were very reliable, very good handling cars, I've been road racing a 93 for over 30 years, I ordered it pre production for road racing, 222,000 miles of pure road racing, I am still using the T-56 6 speed that came in this car, and have never had it apart, still original, I cheat, I have used Royle Purple lubricants from day one, the T-56 has come to be known as the best transmission ever offered in a production vehicle, this car will run with anything produced today, one of the fastest cars on the track.
Right on! Those 1LE cars are a rare breed too. Definitely something special. It's awesome that you still racing it too. The T-56 is another bullet point I forgot to mention, it's a good transmission for sure, pretty iconic. Love these cars as much as my Gbody, and imo, better than a lot of tuner JDM or Euro cars that everyone is all hot and bothered over to mod and enjoy. Keep racing it though! Love hearing that
What does Camaro Z28 mean? its a 1 1/2 seat Corvette 97 Camaro Z28 just didnt get the high profile rear wing longer A frame front suspension Hard ride for only people who are serious racers power rack and pinion high ratio fast steering Pan hard bar 4 link rear suspension with torque arm 342 positraction locker Front and rear Sway Bars with coils and carbon valved shocks with coils T56 manuel trans Hurst Short throw shifter Balanced 350 LT1 sbc 348 HP at flywheel 390 Torque 285 HP 330 Torque at wheels Forged pistons Windage Tray with reverse cooled heads Fast Burn Vortec Heads .2 chevy race Cylinder heads that sits back 6 inches - a foot shifting weight to rear tires to hook like no other Ballancing all 4 tires with in 1 pound for cornering with single plane fuel injection manifold and cam that that can push t0 7000 rpm with electronic tune. 6000 rpm of show room floor. and a engineered Hooker Superformance exaust 2 into 1 into 2 That makes Velocity like nothing Ive ever seen Airo Dynamics that are not matched to this day. Pretty Much a F18 Stealth Fighter And still carrying more broke world records and standing records than even the Corvette at every level of racing except Touring class That belongs to the Corvette 3100 pounds with out driver and gas 4 poly plastic fenders and rear and nose and roof thats like 700 pounds less than 5th gen camaros and corvettes and for 25000$ Its a Steet Legal Nascar with cheap plastic Dash that cracks from the hard ride suspension . a optispark ignition system that goes from 12 to 36 degrees like a lightning bolt they just didnt up grade the cap so Optispark would get vented the way it was ment and thats easy fix. and it isnt governed by cpu 5th gear hits 166 6th hits 200 mph I think its LT4 cpu lol 6000 rpm it cuts the injectors and 5th and 6th are spaced same as others not as economy gears or over drives couple small mods with stock engine and 295 rears is 1.50 60 foot and 2 second 60 mph Super Sports and ls1 got the Bling Z28 Being all GM Got the Ring.. Camaro is Son of Corvette it needed a grill when you put in the grill there is a grinning speed Demon smiling at you And this is the FP 87 Z28 package lol the Z28 was supposed to come off the Super Sports They Are Z27 package
My father owned one of these, he bought it directly off the lot in cash in the few days that it was released, it was black on black, manual, targa top, z/28 with a ls1(as mentioned in the video trim levels were all over the place.) he enjoyed it a lot, got a decent amount of looks back then and he won a decent amount of races. Unfortunately on the highway he was sideswiped by a speeding car that lost control, and he ended up hitting the center median and then that metal railing splitting the exit ramp from the highway. Completely totaled the life and cause him major health complication in the future (bulging discs in the back) After recovery and insurance paycheck he ended up buying an AMG which we still have today that is a weekend drive car.
The 97 with the LT4 is a very special car, there were some engines left over for the 96 Grand Sport Corvette, so GM decided to put them into the Camaro's, if you have one of those, you are sitting on some money.
i have a 1997 camaro what do you mean by lt4 is that the engine ? i keep hearing people say lt1 so i though mine had that, is the lt4 better or worse ?
@@greeencoupe The LT4 is a higher performance engine based on the LT1, too many modifications to list or even remember, it is the same engine that was in the 96 Grand Sport Corvette, you could probably look that up to get specs and see the changes.
@@greeencoupe I didn't see this question till just now, the LT4 is the LT1 on steroids, GM only made it for one year, exclusively for the one year only 96 Grand Sport Corvette, a very special car also, a heavy duty block,4 bolt mains, the heads and intake have bigger and taller intake ports, in the GS Vette the intake manifolds were red, not sure if they were in the LT4 equipped Camaro's, GM had a few of these engines left over, and if you remember in 97 the LS engine was introduced in the new gen 5 Corvette, so they stuffed the remaining 96 Grand Sport engines into a few of the Camaro's to get rid of them, I would love to have one of those cars, enjoy your 97, they are very good cars.
93 to 2002, RS Z28 & SS are all you need to know about them. The 97 was the the 30th Anniversary and the 2002 was 35th Anniversary models. They are one of the greatest gens after the 1st & 3rd.
@@markrodenno! You just mentioned their were multiple trim levels. Those in the F body community knows their only three trim levels. The base model RS, with the V6. The V8 engine, light weight sporty handling model Z28. And the full loaded SS version with all the bells and whistles.
That was not the sound of the stock Camaro Z28 or Z28 SS, gas mileage is wrong. The Z28 ls1 or SS will get 18 to 21 around town and up to 28 to 30 on the highway. That is incredible gas mileage. You said this car does not handle well. That is incorrect. The Z28 and SS handle amazing. They can be track car all day long. The T tops do not leak the way they designed them they can’t leak. Where are you getting your info from my goodness. 1993 is when they were first introduced to 1997 with the pointed nose, base came with 3.4 later in 96, 97 you could get the 3.8. The Z28 were Lt cast blocks to 97. From 98 to 2002 you got the vette eng ls1 all aluminum block z28 305 hp SS 325 if you find the SLP option SS it was 345 hp because of better exhaust. Should I go on. If you’re going to do a video of cars you better learn the cars before you smack your gums. Oh and a 3300 pound car is light weight for a sports car like this. The 2010s are over 4000
I have a 1995 3.8L V6 and I love it. I’ve done a ton of research about the engine and it’s actually pretty reliable. Not trying to be like “well actually🤓” but I think they’re pretty reliable overall. Great vid
I definitely agree- Don't know where he got that idea from? 3.8L is basically legendary as far as being virtually bullet proof- AND it's stout enough to take some serious Turbo Boost right out of thew box. Plus add better weight distribution (for rally / turning performance) & that pesky "doesn't have good Fuel Economy" (V6's get around 30 MPG!) and basically if it's built right- It could possibly be the best overall deal & a killer racer. P.S. it seems to me, more and more- that the only people who "comment & complain" about the styling of this car are these nitch "Car guys": I had a 1966 GTO and I swear my 2000 Black RS (clone) 4th Gen gets more attention and positive comments from randos (almost daily). My advice? Ignore them 100%
also came with great road racing brakes but the rear disk pads are about 3 inches good at 100mph but at 180-200 mph you better have lots of room to stop
Enjoyed the review, but tons of miss info here. I have 96 z28 convertible (for reference) 1. Gas mileage is absurdly good for a 90s v8 - 17 city / 28 Highway. 2. Weight w/o mods is only is 3290 is, so how is that heavy? basic mods get you to 3K 3. There were only 3 trim models, (RS,Z28,SS) and almost 0 LT4s out there. 4. Handling is good, basic mods will make these cars handle exceptional.
I’m sorry, your F body was ls1 was introduced in 1998 -02 with the new facelift. Anything prior to that had a LT1 93-97. It’s very simple the 330 hp came from the ram air hood. It was the equivalent of a WS6 trans Am. Nobody cared about the V6.
Idk how but your video made me hate this car less, the rally clip and the orange on white wheels for some reason didn’t look that bad and they make some power, it’s not a pretty car but it’s pretty period correct for a older looking GM of the era
you did kind of nerd out a bout 50 percent correct and yeu windows are heavy and long and the torq bust a part of bracket that aligns all race cars are fix or repair daily
I have owned my 2001 Z28 for 21 years. It has the LS1 with the t56 Trans. I have never had an ounce of trouble with it. The gas mileage is very good, and it is pretty quick for what it is, and it was nasty in its day. I will never get rid of it. I have heads, cam, etc, for it. Oh, and by the way...........3300 pounds is not really heavy thanks to the aluminum block and heads. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about.
But I don't know about all that stuff going bad in Camaros you know I own a 99 Camaro it's a beater it's just a V6 so you know the paint's all chip it's got over 221,000 miles but everything still working the AC still works my windows still work over 10 years ago when I bought it I put a window motor in you know the ABS still works all the lights still work the interior ain't ripped the ceiling hasn't dropped now I got a few stains in the interior because like I said it's just a beater and it's not a V8 should take perfect care of it you know way too many miles but it really depends on the owner and how they take care of the car will depend on how much damage it has in the interior and everywhere else like I'm going to eventually I think buy a V8 one but for now just keeping the V6 when going cuz still gets about 26 miles to a gallon on the highway that's not bad for a car would as many miles it has and how old it is
Where im from, the 4th gen is "the ugly one", and the 5th gen is known as the "shitty cheap one teenagers get." But yo fire vid as always mark, ive been subbed forever now and you should do a good bad and ugly on the 300zx.
And I would never buy a foreign car at a daily driver you might catch me driving one because the rental but I never will own one because I like American cars and I like rear wheel drive I hate from the drive
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Just get the camaro man
I dont know why you keep insisting that the Camaro is heavy?? They are only around 3400 lbs, with a V8, M6, Rwd, ect. They also have fiberglass panels. at 3400 lbs, with say 315Hp, thats a power to weight ratio of 0.093 hp/lb. Theyre thicc, not fat. BTW. a 2500lb 170 HP Miata is only 0.068 hp/lb. And Mk4 Supras were about 3400 LBS too. They wouldnt be used for drag racing if they were too heavy, lol.
Not here to argue, just set a few things straight, I never thought 3,300 pounds was heavy, my road racing 93 weighs 2,850 with a cage, on a road trip my Z28's will do over 30 mpg, decades ago the 93 through 97 were called the Maco Shark, Catfish came along 98 and up, they are among one of the best handling cars ever produced, don't have a clue where you got that info, I've been road racing these cars for over 30 years, they are as fast as anything produced today, one of the most durable and reliable cars money can buy, and as far as looks go that's a matter of opinion.
Yeah I'm not sure if homie even did any research on these honestly. They're far from heavy, actually lighter than most pony cars today, and they're surprisingly great on gas.
My '02 LS1 is getting like 31 on the highway, and even 16/17 in the city. Sure a 4cyl Camry is gonna do better but that's a very odd car to compare this to, especially today when everyone is driving trucks and SUVs that only get 20 on the highway anyway
3300 is light af compared to todays pony cars.
I was going to say the exact same thing. What's this guy talking about lmao.
What i find funny is the 3800 v6 is one of the best engines ever made. If you want to call the 3400 or whatever other v6 options before 96 or 95 then sure but wow this video is not for me at all
hey, I have an automatic v6 98 camaro which I just bought, do you think it's smart to try to ls swap the car? & do you agree that the 90's automatic transmission isn't as good at switching gears?
I've always loved the catfishes!
In my eyes they were never ugly.
Facts 💪💪💪
I prefer the precatfish 4th gen camaro, hard to argue with the ls1 though.
@@noonecares7730ls1 with LT1 front end is goat
throw tall wing on back and they are bigger than life
FINALLY IVE BEEN CALLED ON! I drive a 2000 Trans Am, big ol LS1 with a 6 speed manual paired to it. Its my first car. I wouldn't trade my car for anything. They all need to be updated to LED's, new radio, some comfort stuff like that. But power wise, its phenomenal still, and its cheap, simple, and straight forward to make great power out of the car. The chassis is solid too, slides when ya want, grips when ya need, they're just awesome cars. GET YOU ONE! They're getting more and more expensive every day.
How has your experience been with owning one as your first car I’m currently doing that as a 17 year old and I’ve had a lot of fun with it so far just stilling learning manual
They are anything but cheap to work on. You can't even find a lot of the parts for these cars anymore. You better hope you don't need weatherstripping for the doors or t-tops because NOBODY sells them. Reverse lens fall out on your tail lights? I hope you got $500 for a set of used tail lights that will have the same problem when they get hot in the summer.
@@jhonperez413 I love my car, I believe I will keep it until I die. It has problems, it had the fuel pump go out, 400 with labor to upgrade. a window motor, about another 400. replacing the cracked taillights, 300 but i re-cleared a new set myself. and simple stuff like that. Its been amazing besides that simple little stuff. I changed all the fluids for about $700. the interior has lasted well, only small cracks on the doors, i keep a dash cover so no cracks there. Just keep the car nice and itll do the same to you, theyre so unique, so raw to drive, if they make you smile every time you look at them, the drive will make you giggle. I didnt know how to drive manual when i bought it btw, you will learn.
@@kenshinhimura9387 Dude I bought a set of used taillights for $300 shipped, sanded and re-cleared them. This summer has been 100f days back to back for weeks, theyve lasted wonderfully. You can buy 90% of the parts to assemble and get an LS running at Autozone, or in a junkyard. UPS trucks, ur moms SUV, my sports car, all interchangeable, get creative these cars arent for the unwilling.
@@SweatCookienese after a couple months now and working on it I can say it’s the most fun car I have ever ridden in it’s just raw power I love the 6 speed I love the ls1 and it’s just grown on me and I love how it’s special in today’s generation not many people like these cars but I love it
Camaro 4th Gen the good bad and ugly corrections list.
Ok. Im going to post this simply as informative corrections. The video had a lot of errors. Here is the breakdown.
(A lot of these things apply to its cousin the Pontiac Firebird/Trans Am)
Also please take a look at the 4th Gen forums, Ls1tech LTxTech. As mentioned the community is cool, not all of us are grandpas or old in general. (Im 31)
The 4th generation Camaro is divided into early and late 4th gen’s. The early Camaros were not “catfish” Camaros. The 1993-1997 Camaros had recessed headlights and much more angular aggressive lines. These are the “shark face, shark nose” cars. 93-97 Camaros come as base models and Z28’s. 96-97 Chevrolet (in conjunction with SLP) also offered the SS model.
Trims:
93-95 base models came with 3.4L V6’s
96-97 base models came with 3.8L V6’s (3800 series II) both offered automatics or T5 manuals.
93-97 Z28’s came with the 5.7L V8 (350ci) Gen II LT1’s with power ranging from 275hp (93-95) and 285hp (96-97)
The 96-97 SS cars also had LT1’s and ram air pushed power to 305.
All V8 equipped cars either got a 4L60E (93 got non electronically controlled 4L60) 4 speed automatics or a Borg Warner T56 manual 6 speed transmission.
*** LT4 5.7L V8 engine was only ever placed into 108 4th generation Camaros. They are extremely rare, if you see one for sale, it is NOT real(jokes aside real ones are going to be in the neighborhood of $40-50k). 100 of these LT4 equipped cars were for the US market. 6 were produced for Canada, and 2 were designated test mules for GM. 330hp on these cars***
SIDE note: The 1997 cars were a bridge year and received the more popular interior update (1 useable flip out cup holder) held by the 1998-2002 cars, as well as the refreshed tail lights.
The 1998-2002 Camaro’ YES THE ACTUAL CATFISH. Bulbous headlights softer front fascia, but more performance.
Trims:
98-02 Base models all had the 3.8L V6 (3800 series II)
98-02 RS package cars were mainly cosmetic packages+ suspension bits for base model cars. Modifications came from SLP (street legal performance)
98-02 Z28’s 5.7L V8 LS1 (346ci) 305hp (98-00) and 310 (01-02) (underrated to not cannibalize C5 sales)
98-02 SS’s 5.7L V8 LS1 (346ci) 320hp (98-00) and 325HP (01-02)
These also were offers with 4L60E 4 speed automatics OR with Tremec built T56 6 speed Manuals.
SS cars from both early and late Camaros will easily be recognized with their Ram Air Hoods and raised rear deck lid spoilers. They also feature special suspension packages along with options for Torsen or Auburn limited slip differentials factory hurst short shifters etc. They also had special Wheels available “ZR1’s” 17x9 from 96-99 then “10 spokes” 17x9 2000-2002
4th generation Camaros could come as Hardtop, T-Top (NOT TARGA) or convertibles depending on trims.
Side note: T-Tops are 2 removable glass roof panels, a Targa top is a SINGLE removable roof panel in either glass or some composite panel that matches the body composition.
LT1 vs LS1 both made good power LT1 is more finnicky and requires more attention to detail and a hard core owner (see opti spark distributor system and ignition issues). Still a worthy option, IMO it sounds better and more aggressive than the LS cars. (Deeper tones)
LS1 made more power its newer, parts availability is great, everyone knows how to work on them, it’s like building legos. They cost more than the early ones. See 98-02 vs 93-97. I’ve owned both. I know the realities of both.
Issues:
Interior is period GM, plastic, creaky, etc. it is what it is. They fit taller people really well. (I’m 6’5)
Water pump issues were mostly 93-97 LT1 cars, (harder to work on).
Not an investment. LS1 cars were $5k for forever LT1’s $3-4k. If you bought one back in 2008-2018, then yes you can sell 2-3x now if it’s not clapped. Don’t see them climbing much higher but hey take it as you will. (Yes I know show car stock ones are selling for $20-30k with low ass miles) odds are you don’t have one that clean. So most are 2-3x more than the prices listed above from. There’s more but this is already a novel.
Good job, I own several gen 4 LT1 Camaro's, I have never personally had a problem with the water pump or the opti, a couple notes, never use the hose under the hood, and if you replace the opti look up PETRIS, aftermarket ones are junk like MSD or ACCEL.
@@user-Dr.another viable option for replacing the opti is to switch to a more LS styled system like torqhead
Two things I’d like to add to the SLP cars; you could get the LT’s to 315 hp with the special SLP exhaust and the 02’s could be had up to 345 hp
I disagree about them not being an investment. If you find a boomer owner low mileage one I'd recommend scooping it up. They're becoming increasingly hard to find in good shape due to their relatively low msrp and tuneability. Most people modded them to hell.
Question, did the 97s come with the Rs package?
Holy shit you did one of the best cars ever made!
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Well, excuse me mark but you're wrong on the years of 4th gen camaro is 1993 to 2002 and 3rd gen are 1982 to 1992 so please take it as 'constructive criticism' not a rant ok young dude have good night bye now.
Of course I’ll take that as constructive criticism haha I appreciate when ppl correct me in a respectful way bc at the end of the day, I do not want to spread misinformation
@markroden No problem mark just helping out here ok them bye now.
Been watching the channel for a while now - this is a car I've been thinking about picking up so I'm looking forward to this one!
Ayyy happy to help
Easy to work on? You obviously have never been under the hood of a 4th gen. Theirs no room under there. Half the engine is under the windshield, and if you have the LT1, have fun with swapping your optispark. Damn near gotta take off everything running on your serpentine belt just to get your distributor off.
Sam Strano has been successfully competitive with 4th gens in autocross racing for a while now.
Few things I noticed if Im not too late to the party:
-1993-2002 model year
-v6 options were 3.4L v6 and then in 1995 there was the option for the 3800 series 2 v6 with the 3.4L engines. Then in 1996 the 3800 series 2 became standard
--- the 3800 Series v6's were one if (if not the) most reliable engine GM made, and the modability for them is pretty damn good.
-The one thing they were known to have problems with was the Optispark system, especially the early early 4th gens.
-the rear ends were known to be a little weak with the 7.5/7.6 rear. (Same as my gbody, but with some mods, weren't too bad depending on power level)
- 1/4 mile track times varied a bit depending on the stock rear end gearing, especially the later 4th gens
-Later 4th gens were different with the z/28 and optional SLP SS'
- The 4L60E trans were known to be a weak link, however could be built to handle the power. They were essentially electronically controlled th700R4's (i prefer my th2004r transmission in my Gbody)
-I'd have to counter and say the chassis is pretty good for handling actually. The factory made 1LE 4th gens were a testiment to that
Good vid though! Would have been neat to mention the 1997 LT4 engine camaros (really rare), or the late 4th gen ZL1 phase 1, 2, and 3 cars. Look forward to more vids!
I totally agree with you, good knowledge, every engine offered in these gen 4's were very reliable, very good handling cars, I've been road racing a 93 for over 30 years, I ordered it pre production for road racing, 222,000 miles of pure road racing, I am still using the T-56 6 speed that came in this car, and have never had it apart, still original, I cheat, I have used Royle Purple lubricants from day one, the T-56 has come to be known as the best transmission ever offered in a production vehicle, this car will run with anything produced today, one of the fastest cars on the track.
Right on! Those 1LE cars are a rare breed too. Definitely something special. It's awesome that you still racing it too. The T-56 is another bullet point I forgot to mention, it's a good transmission for sure, pretty iconic. Love these cars as much as my Gbody, and imo, better than a lot of tuner JDM or Euro cars that everyone is all hot and bothered over to mod and enjoy. Keep racing it though! Love hearing that
What does Camaro Z28 mean?
its a 1 1/2 seat Corvette 97 Camaro Z28 just didnt get the high profile rear wing
longer A frame front suspension Hard ride for only people who are serious racers power rack and pinion high ratio fast steering
Pan hard bar 4 link rear suspension with torque arm 342 positraction locker Front and rear Sway Bars with coils and
carbon valved shocks with coils T56 manuel trans Hurst Short throw shifter
Balanced 350 LT1 sbc 348 HP at flywheel 390 Torque 285 HP 330 Torque at wheels
Forged pistons Windage Tray with reverse cooled heads Fast Burn Vortec Heads .2 chevy race Cylinder heads that sits back 6 inches - a foot shifting weight to rear tires to hook like no other
Ballancing all 4 tires with in 1 pound for cornering
with single plane fuel injection manifold and cam that that can push t0 7000 rpm with electronic tune.
6000 rpm of show room floor.
and a engineered Hooker Superformance exaust 2 into 1 into 2 That makes Velocity like nothing Ive ever seen
Airo Dynamics that are not matched to this day.
Pretty Much a F18 Stealth Fighter
And still carrying more broke world records and standing records than even the Corvette at every level of racing except
Touring class That belongs to the Corvette
3100 pounds with out driver and gas 4 poly plastic fenders and rear and nose and roof
thats like 700 pounds less than 5th gen camaros and corvettes and for 25000$
Its a Steet Legal Nascar with cheap plastic Dash that cracks from the hard ride suspension .
a optispark ignition system that goes from 12 to 36 degrees like a lightning bolt they just didnt up grade the cap so Optispark
would get vented the way it was ment and thats easy fix.
and it isnt governed by cpu 5th gear hits 166 6th hits 200 mph I think its LT4 cpu lol 6000 rpm it cuts the injectors and 5th and 6th
are spaced same as others not as economy gears or over drives
couple small mods with stock engine and 295 rears is 1.50 60 foot
and 2 second 60 mph
Super Sports and ls1 got the Bling Z28 Being all GM Got the Ring..
Camaro is Son of Corvette
it needed a grill when you put in the grill there is a grinning speed Demon smiling at you
And this is the FP 87 Z28 package lol
the Z28 was supposed to come off the Super Sports They Are Z27 package
My father owned one of these, he bought it directly off the lot in cash in the few days that it was released, it was black on black, manual, targa top, z/28 with a ls1(as mentioned in the video trim levels were all over the place.) he enjoyed it a lot, got a decent amount of looks back then and he won a decent amount of races.
Unfortunately on the highway he was sideswiped by a speeding car that lost control, and he ended up hitting the center median and then that metal railing splitting the exit ramp from the highway. Completely totaled the life and cause him major health complication in the future (bulging discs in the back)
After recovery and insurance paycheck he ended up buying an AMG which we still have today that is a weekend drive car.
Gotta educate yourself on that 3800 v6 in there. They are pretty fire
He said a z28 comes only in LT1 wrong 98-02 are all ls1 homie
Classic youtuber know it all, that has the nerve to do a review on something he knows little about.
The 97 with the LT4 is a very special car, there were some engines left over for the 96 Grand Sport Corvette, so GM decided to put them into the Camaro's, if you have one of those, you are sitting on some money.
i have a 1997 camaro what do you mean by lt4 is that the engine ? i keep hearing people say lt1 so i though mine had that, is the lt4 better or worse ?
@@greeencoupe The LT4 is a higher performance engine based on the LT1, too many modifications to list or even remember, it is the same engine that was in the 96 Grand Sport Corvette, you could probably look that up to get specs and see the changes.
@@greeencoupe I didn't see this question till just now, the LT4 is the LT1 on steroids, GM only made it for one year, exclusively for the one year only 96 Grand Sport Corvette, a very special car also, a heavy duty block,4 bolt mains, the heads and intake have bigger and taller intake ports, in the GS Vette the intake manifolds were red, not sure if they were in the LT4 equipped Camaro's, GM had a few of these engines left over, and if you remember in 97 the LS engine was introduced in the new gen 5 Corvette, so they stuffed the remaining 96 Grand Sport engines into a few of the Camaro's to get rid of them, I would love to have one of those cars, enjoy your 97, they are very good cars.
93 to 2002, RS Z28 & SS are all you need to know about them. The 97 was the the 30th Anniversary and the 2002 was 35th Anniversary models. They are one of the greatest gens after the 1st & 3rd.
They didn't get the 3.8 until 1998 before that the base model had a 3.4 160hp engine
Didn’t I say that in the vid?
@@markrodenno! You just mentioned their were multiple trim levels.
Those in the F body community knows their only three trim levels.
The base model RS, with the V6.
The V8 engine, light weight sporty handling model Z28.
And the full loaded SS version with all the bells and whistles.
They got 3.8s in 1995 or 1996 as my 1997 has a 3.8
I love fourth gens, but you don't appear to know much about them. Get your facts correct before you start talking.
That was not the sound of the stock Camaro Z28 or Z28 SS, gas mileage is wrong. The Z28 ls1 or SS will get 18 to 21 around town and up to 28 to 30 on the highway. That is incredible gas mileage. You said this car does not handle well. That is incorrect. The Z28 and SS handle amazing. They can be track car all day long. The T tops do not leak the way they designed them they can’t leak. Where are you getting your info from my goodness. 1993 is when they were first introduced to 1997 with the pointed nose, base came with 3.4 later in 96, 97 you could get the 3.8. The Z28 were Lt cast blocks to 97. From 98 to 2002 you got the vette eng ls1 all aluminum block z28 305 hp SS 325 if you find the SLP option SS it was 345 hp because of better exhaust. Should I go on. If you’re going to do a video of cars you better learn the cars before you smack your gums. Oh and a 3300 pound car is light weight for a sports car like this. The 2010s are over 4000
I have a 1995 3.8L V6 and I love it. I’ve done a ton of research about the engine and it’s actually pretty reliable. Not trying to be like “well actually🤓” but I think they’re pretty reliable overall. Great vid
I definitely agree- Don't know where he got that idea from? 3.8L is basically legendary as far as being virtually bullet proof- AND it's stout enough to take some serious Turbo Boost right out of thew box. Plus add better weight distribution (for rally / turning performance) & that pesky "doesn't have good Fuel Economy" (V6's get around 30 MPG!) and basically if it's built right- It could possibly be the best overall deal & a killer racer.
P.S. it seems to me, more and more- that the only people who "comment & complain" about the styling of this car are these nitch "Car guys": I had a 1966 GTO and I swear my 2000 Black RS (clone) 4th Gen gets more attention and positive comments from randos (almost daily). My advice? Ignore them 100%
Can do you do nissan s12?
Possibly we’ll see but that’s a weird one lol
u should do one on scion frs
Bet bet
This car do come in a wide body. Guy don’t know what he talking about.
When is the CCF collab dropping ?
You should do a “Good Bad and Ugly on the Toyota Pickup”plssssss
Idek what that is haha
@@markroden My bad I shouldn’t been mire specific,but what I mean by Toyota Pickup is a 1984-1988 Toyota Hilux/Pickup😂👍
U mean the good, the good, and the slow as sin?
Iroc Z?
Please do a good bad and ugly on the 4th gen gs350 preferably 2014 AWD
also came with great road racing brakes but the rear disk pads are about 3 inches good at 100mph
but at 180-200 mph you better have lots of room to stop
like a 3rd grader thats never kissed a girl giving a book report on everything he ever heard someone say about kissing a girl....
Exactly! This guy is giving a review on something that he knows nothing about.
Enjoyed the review, but tons of miss info here. I have 96 z28 convertible (for reference)
1. Gas mileage is absurdly good for a 90s v8 - 17 city / 28 Highway.
2. Weight w/o mods is only is 3290 is, so how is that heavy? basic mods get you to 3K
3. There were only 3 trim models, (RS,Z28,SS) and almost 0 LT4s out there.
4. Handling is good, basic mods will make these cars handle exceptional.
Do you have one on the firebird trans am
‘98 Mitsubishi diamanté
Never heard of it tbh
Car looks great, how common are they?
Z28’s weren’t only lt cars they came in ls1’s too depending on the year
I’m sorry, your F body was ls1 was introduced in 1998 -02 with the new facelift. Anything prior to that had a LT1 93-97. It’s very simple the 330 hp came from the ram air hood. It was the equivalent of a WS6 trans Am. Nobody cared about the V6.
Thanks bro
How do roll down windows have problems, well its a GM thing 😂
4th gens arent the easiest thing to work on tbh. Its engine bay is kinda small due to half the motor behing under the windshield.
Idk how but your video made me hate this car less, the rally clip and the orange on white wheels for some reason didn’t look that bad and they make some power, it’s not a pretty car but it’s pretty period correct for a older looking GM of the era
Hahaha when I watched those I thought the same thing
Are you guys referring to the orange Camaro body placed over the honda civic? The section of the video called the bad?🤔
You missed the most important problem the opti spark and bad manual trans
Yo should do a video on the best cheap mid engine cars
Plz 2006-2010 dodge charger 🙏🏻
Okie dokie
Mark do a pontiac grand prix gtp or a volvo s60 r vid pls
I think 1997 z28 and up has an ls1
That’s what someone else said too
As in other comments, LS1 first came in 97 Vette, or 98 Fbody.
The LS1 came the 97 Corvette first, then in the 98 to 02 Camaros and firebirds a year later.
you did kind of nerd out a bout 50 percent correct and yeu windows are heavy and long and the torq bust a part of bracket that aligns
all race cars are fix or repair daily
Can you do a gen 3 mazda 3
93-97 lt1 is a vortec 350 27 mpg people underestimate because they are rated at wheels
348 hp 390 torque at fly wheel
There are not 4th gen base models with a 3.6 V6, only 3.4 in early years and 3.8 in later
The lt1s are "cheap" yes but the ls1 cars are expensive. They're fetching for over $10k average up here in the northeast.
Hii pls make a video about honda civic 6gen coupe-s pls
Daddy mark😫
Ayoooo
I have owned my 2001 Z28 for 21 years. It has the LS1 with the t56 Trans. I have never had an ounce of trouble with it. The gas mileage is very good, and it is pretty quick for what it is, and it was nasty in its day. I will never get rid of it. I have heads, cam, etc, for it. Oh, and by the way...........3300 pounds is not really heavy thanks to the aluminum block and heads. You really don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Saw your yt in a Forza gt on Xbox
T top not targa top
But I don't know about all that stuff going bad in Camaros you know I own a 99 Camaro it's a beater it's just a V6 so you know the paint's all chip it's got over 221,000 miles but everything still working the AC still works my windows still work over 10 years ago when I bought it I put a window motor in you know the ABS still works all the lights still work the interior ain't ripped the ceiling hasn't dropped now I got a few stains in the interior because like I said it's just a beater and it's not a V8 should take perfect care of it you know way too many miles but it really depends on the owner and how they take care of the car will depend on how much damage it has in the interior and everywhere else like I'm going to eventually I think buy a V8 one but for now just keeping the V6 when going cuz still gets about 26 miles to a gallon on the highway that's not bad for a car would as many miles it has and how old it is
1993 - 2002, 1992 was still 3rd gen 🤡
I found them ugly 4 years... Now i get older, i am in my 40s, they hardly grow on me 👍
1993-2002
Where im from, the 4th gen is "the ugly one", and the 5th gen is known as the "shitty cheap one teenagers get." But yo fire vid as always mark, ive been subbed forever now and you should do a good bad and ugly on the 300zx.
Yeah that’s kinda how it is here too lol
And I would never buy a foreign car at a daily driver you might catch me driving one because the rental but I never will own one because I like American cars and I like rear wheel drive I hate from the drive
9th Gen Corolla LOL
Porsche 911 the good the bad the ugly
98-02 were cheap Chrysler Concorde front end rip offs.
you are inaccurate on many things about these cars...
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Have a stroke there?