WHITE BALANCE: Important or Overrated?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2024
- Discussing the importance of setting white balance and testing the flexibility of changing white balance in post on Raw, JPG, 8-bit video & 10-bit log.
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Table of Contents:
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0:00 - Intro
0:40 - Common Misconceptions about White Balance
1:07 - Changing White Balance on Raw Photos & Video
2:08 - Using the White Balance Dropper in Lightroom/Premiere
2:32 - Raw Photo Results (5500K, 2500K, & 10,000K)
3:25 - Conclusion #1: Can Raw White Balance be Changed in Post?
3:37 - Why I Wear a Grey Shoelace on My Wrist
4:53 - JPEG Results - Extreme White Balance Adjustment
6:14 - Does Exposure Matter for Correcting White Balance?
6:27 - Why Warming an Image Increases Brightness
6:53 - Conclusion #2: Can You Change JPG White Balance in Post?
7:19 - White Balance Method 1: Custom WB in Camera (Best)
7:42 - Method 2: Use a Different Neutral Grey Object in the Scene
7:59 - Method 3: Eyeball It or Set White Balance to Lights
8:40 - Method 4: Just Put Your White Balance on a Middling Kelvin
9:00 - Method 5: Auto White Balance - Why It's the Worst
9:25 - Locking the Auto White Balance Helps
9:57 - When Auto White Balance Is Okay to Use
10:14 - 8-bit Video Results (H.264 MP4 - Standard Profile)
11:38 - Conclusion #3: Can 8-bit Video White Balance be Changed?
11:52 - 10-bit Log Video Results - Any Better?
13:03 - Conclusion #4 & Final Thoughts on White Balance
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Now we are all getting gray shoe laces on our arm....You gotta start selling those
I am wondering if anyone makes an 18% grey watchband...search time.
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Yes, sell em, i'd rather buy them from you as im sure most of your viewers like to support what you do.
Converse: (cough)I think I can help a lil
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Finally learning some more from youtube. I was done watching tutorials / explanation vids since all youtubers are just repeating each other with newbie instructions. You're bringing it to a whole new level! Thanks for that
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I stumbled upon one of your videos recently and I just kept watching more. The value and knowledge in your content is delivered in an easy to digest way for guys like me who want to get into videography but can’t afford the proper education for it. Thank you so much.
Helpful, practical question, answered! Thanks Gerald!
Cheers, Curtis! 😃🙏
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I imagine a future standard gray rubber wristband product which is stain resistant. Killer content, Gerald. No fluff. Quick, clear delivery. Very helpful.
Thanks, John! Much appreciated. 😃👍
Hey Gerald , you should sell "neutral grey wristbands for video" ;-) - where is the "buy" button???
One of the misconceptions is the belief that the WB set on gray card is what you want. Of course, totally incorrect WB usually looks ugly (unless that's the intention). But the truth is that if you take two raw files from different cameras of the same scene and set WB on the same gray card, you will get different color results nevertheless.
WB is not what makes the colors pleasing or not. My Nikon Z6ii is set at White AWB, as well as my Sony A7iii. Both result in different colors. But I usually don't care that Nikon's AWB is wrong, because the colors still come out great. I rarely ever change Nikon WB in LR. With Sony, it's a different story. The colors often don't seem right, and fixing WB usually improves that, but even after the fix, the colors from Sony raw files are still lacking.
Bottom line, don't sweat WB, get the right camera.
@@USGrant21st Also, it depend on the Kelvin of the light, morning light would not make the same grey as the evening one.
Sometimes I feel guilty watching your channel. Like I snuck into a school and I'm watching for free. Always such awesome information. Thank you so much for sharing so much all the time.
That shoelace thing. Genius.
You're a beacon of evidence based reason in an ocean of regurgitated nonsense. Thank you.
Thanks a lot, Michael! I really appreciate that. 😃👍
My thoughts exactly!
Michael, evidently you are not a “current day hard left Democrat “!😉. Lol. Yea I agree with you, facts and reason are getting harder and harder to find these days.
Haha, LOL, thanx for featuring me! I'm happy real Gerald is back! =)
I’ve just discovered you for the HLG3 stuff, and I turned into the notification squad. Thanks a lot for sharing those really great nuggets of knowledge. Please keep doing what you’re doing!
Thanks a lot! That's awesome to hear. Happy to have a new subscriber. Look forward to future comments! 😃🙏
I LOVE how you always address all possible upcoming questions what people will be asking in comments, and answering them beforehand :D thats experience!
Haha. Thanks! I try. 😃
always good hearing an echo of your own thoughts/opinions
My kids are upset because I took their laces, all of them. Don't they understand I have goals?????
*Benjamin's arm is covered from wrist to elbow in a rainbow of shoelaces* - IT'S FOR SCIENCE!
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Ben Arnoux The 2nd best reason to have kids, (so you can steal the stuff back that you bought..)
Mate, these videos of yours are really first-rate. I've watched a few now and the amount of really solid, evidence-backed information you get into them is admirable - and it's all so clearly presented too. I'm trying to bring myself up from next-to-nothing to reasonably adept video all-rounder in a hurry (expanding an audio-recording business and wanting to hit the ground running) and I feel I've found a proper goldmine of information. Many, many thanks -and I'll visit your Patreon and make my thanks more concrete shortly: if we were on the same continent I would consider buying you a big box of beers or something but this'll have to do!
This is awesome - thank you for the deeper dive on this subject.
The intro itself deserves a like! Great info and video thank you 🙏
WoWeeii, great tip with the shoelace. Thank you sir, this will save much of my time in edit since i forget about WB over 30% of my shoots!
somebody should think of 18% grey lens caps
That's a great idea! I love it.
The expodisc claims to be 18% transparent. Won't fit on your lens though without some tinkering and quite expensive for a lens cap. A white reflective object also has the advantage of giving you the ability to set a good whitebalance under dimmer light than the grey card or anything transparent at 18%.
Reminds me of the grey Pentax Teleconverters that look photoshopped in pictures :) www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Pentax-Rear-Teleconverter-A-2x-L.html
Gerald Undone Old panasonic dv camera had a semi transparent white cap precisely for that purpose. Hate seting white balance on dslrs; so much easier with a dedicated set button on a video camera. The A7SII has to be in photo mode to actually set it.
@@mondotv4216 these can be used for whitebalance but not for exposure. I also don't understand why dslr's dont use the easier camcorder method to set custom white balance. Actually, on the gh5 it works very simmilar to camcorders.
super super informative! thanks for taking the time to explain and share.
Dude. The Shoelace is BRILLIANT. I ALWAYS try to get custom white balance in camera with a gray card before I start recording. It has been way easier since then.
Ha. Thanks! And agreed, way easier. 👍
Brilliant intro. Glad its back!
Ha. Thanks. Cheers, Caleb. 😃👍
and we're back~ :))
Man at some point someone needs to create the TH-cam DSLR video channels' squad where they all hangout at a round table and make different cameras fight to the death!
This was amazing. love the way you went through this process. Very clear, concise, and helpful for the newb that i am. subscribed!
Another great job. The shoelace idea is so simple it's genius. I often misplace or forget my gray card and then I end up scanning for something that is close to neutral. Keep up the great work presenting useful and meaningful information.
Thanks, Phil. I do the same thing. 😜
I started watching one of your videos. Before I knew it I was bingeing. So clear, so straight forward, so damned good. Thank you for the excellent nerdy stuff, best resource I have found to date.
Thanks so much for saying that, Jonathan. That's very encouraging. Cheers!
Gerald Undone Still bingeing!
Right on - Custom WB + correct exposure in the camera is the best way to go for image quality and for production speed.
As always, Gerald - great stuff, thanks!
Awesome indepth tutorials. Grateful ❤️
Great video, thanks! I think many of us kind of now the difference between raw and .jpg when it comes to white balance, BUT i enjoyed and find it very useful to see practical examples of the limitations 8 bit and 10 bit log has.
Also, well presented!!!
Another great video, Gerald. Your explanations are, as always, accurate and very well-considered. For professional real estate and architectural photography, accurate WB is absolutely key, as we're usually using mixed lighting, ambient and flash. I've learned a number of tricks in post to deal with color contamination in PS, but having accurate references in-frame, especially for a sequence of frames, as one does for RE, Arch or product, is a big help to minimize shot-to-shot variance and having maximal color consistency through all the images in your assignment/shoot. As we used to say in Six Sigma, customers don't feel _averages,_ they feel _variation._ Cheers, Stephen
Thanks, Stephen! Always love your comments. Great points as usual. Cheers!
Ok, that shoelace idea is absolutely great!
This was great! Very informative. Thank you.
Great test & demonstration! Bravo as always!
Thank you very much! 😃👍
Really great video, super helpful! Love that grey wrist band and grey card on the shelf. Timeless content Gerald
I like your take on different things, you're quickly becoming my favorite youtuber.
Flattered and thankful. Appreciate that! 😃🙏
3rd video I've watched from you back to back and I gotta say your content is gold!
Thanks man! Finally someone who is checking his information before teaching others.
Excellent info! Thanks for taking the time to do these tests and share the results. I usually like to stylize my WB a little, but it definitely helps to start out with an accurate setting whenever possible. I recently did some run and gun, outdoor vlog-style shooting with AWB, and I noticed it shifting throughout the takes. Next time, I'm locking the WB down first.
Cheers! Yeah, I like to stylize it as well. White balance for vlogging is tough because of the changing environments. Understandable.
I think you produce easily the most useful videos around the TH-cam. I’m grateful. And I’m not hater when I say that I’m tired of life coaching etc even when the videos are about movie making. I like entertainment also but learning makes me more happy. Like Aristoteles said way back that people are in their most happiest state when they learn and they can use the skills with others. Thanks dude.
Don’t mean to say there’s anything wrong at all that TH-camrs speaks about their life. I’m just tired 😴 - I don’t mean anything negative. But the happy moment what I fell w/ this video was huge for me.
Much appreciated. I enjoy being useful, so thanks for saying so. I agree with you about learning. Happy to help! Cheers 😃🙏
I'm just learning about editing for action cam footage and barely know anything but you do a good job of being informative, clear and not overloading people.
Thanks for saying so. I'm happy to hear that!
This is very helpful. I printed a color chart to just test on gopro and yi 4k with different WB to see how well camera captures the colors and also to match both of these camera. I did certain test and it gives me new starting point. Getting correct skin tones was a huge issue in auto WB. Thank you so much for this, well presented and informative.
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Thanks so much Gérald ! Like always .. you re the maestro 😉😎📺
Great test, thanks for the video!
Ur videos are so informative. Thanks 🙏🏼
Excellent video. Learned a lot. I have never hit the "bell" for any other TH-camrs as I am on here enough as to not need notifications.
You earned my first "bell" click! Lol you da man thanks for all you do for this community!
Wow! Well I'm flattered. I appreciate it. Looking forward to future comments. Cheers! 😃🙏
Wow, another 8000 subs in 2019 so far. Good job, you must be very excited.
Thanks! It's pretty amazing, yeah. Very grateful. 😃🙏
@@geraldundone Good luck for the coming year. :D
He deserves milion+ that knowledge!
All this time and I was trying to white balance picking white surfaces... DOH! Johny come lately here, but this has changed my world! Thanks for the video!
Another great vídeo! May I ask what is the white card for? Thank you so much!
Thanks so much for these videos Gerald, so amazingly in-depth and informative.
You mentioned ProRes Raw not being a real ‘Raw’ - so couple of quick questions: If it’s not real raw, what is it? And also if your using an external recorder, have the camera set to output Raw, then capture & record in ProRes Raw - what actually is happening? (Is this not real raw?)
Thanks so much.
Yes!! Well done, Undone!
Thanks for this. I just ordered a18% grey card last night for getting better exposure in my z6 n-log footage but this video really shows I need to be making WB more a priority as well.
That's a solid investment. 👍
What a great idea, the shoelace is brilliant alternative to a card. I have a gray cloth type velcro Apple watch band that I'm going to start wearing more often on shoots; thanks for sharing!
A very informative and useful video, thank you.
This is really evergreen content, thanks 🙂
I really like the fact that you have your own style making videos.
Good job!
Thanks for saying that. Appreciate it!
Just what i needed 😁 Thanks again Gerald
I wear a white lokai band on my wrist, never even thought of using it for this situation , thank you! 🙏🏻🙌🏼
This is the only content I'd pay for man!
Hi Gerald Undone, This is great tips. I have been using Auto White Balance until I watch this video. Loved it. I hit the red bell and go
Every video you make is fire G, give this man a medal!!!
Thank you very much for the video, Gerald. It was very helpful!
I came across your TH-cam videos because of my upcoming trip to Alaska to hopefully photograph the Aurora Borealis... I'm fairly new at this hobby maybe 2-3weeks into it and I'm trying to learn as much as possible about night photography etc.
Another great video with the info that I needed. Thanks! The shoelace is such a great idea. By the way what Rec 709 lut do you use?
Thanks! I use Paul Leeming's "Leeming LUT".
Awesome
Thank you, this was informative and to the point, motivating me to spend extra seconds to set the white balance properly.
Excellent WB solution, love it. Made the back of my biz card a white/black/gray card. Always with me.
Very useful information. Thanks Gerald !!
Thanks man. Great explanation!
How’s it going, new subscriber to the channel and new VLog user on the S5ii. Quick question on what you think the proper workflow should be when working with VLog. Should it be WB, Exposure, Rec709 LuT, color correction? Or should the lut go first, then wb, exposure, color correction?
Best man explained the technicality of videography on the entire TH-cam.
Solid advice from Gerald. It is crucial to have a grey card free of illuminant metamerism. I find recording a white balance from the light falling on the subject at base ISO with an exposure at the mid grey point of the histogram works best. I have learnt that white balance works best in camera at the time of making the picture. Although I work outdoors with natural light, I am aware that most indoor domestic lighting has an unequal spectral distribution of colours, and it may be necessary to make recordings from a grey card in different areas within a scene.
Thanks, Gerald. Been living in fear of tackling white balance for...well, forever. Yes, tutorials abound, but I like yours.
Brilliant!... lots of technical detail very clearly explained. Thank you : )
Thanks, Lamont! Cheers!
This was great and pretty much confirmed what i get shooting RAW vs JPG for stills for my work. Gonna go look for how grading now fits into all of this, as grading can push files pretty hard for effect right, so how much can grading be pushing 8bit vs 10bit vs RAW? (i'm assuming RAW can again be pushed crazy hard)
Fabulous. Thank you!
Amazing videos! Thanks so much for the info
You're very welcome! Thanks for the kind words.
Great demonstration and explanation of the WB. And that trick with the shoe lace is cool. I use a grey cat for custom WB for indoor shots.
Well-behaved cat. 😜
Another great video! Thanks!
I did hit the like button 3 times, the second i heard that (weirdly cool) "what is happening?" now I can go back and actually watch the video !
This was extremely helpful, and white balance is still something I'm trying to get a handle on, especially as I'm learning to use the kelvin setting(s). For photo, I've heard that getting white balance right in-camera isn't as necessary, as you can correct that easily in post. With that being said, I as I shoot in raw, is it necessary to try to get everything "right in camera", as many photographers advise? Thanks.
Exactly what I need right now.
Regarding the shoelace: I was 100% convinced that it served as an indicator as to whether we've come undone yet.
VERY helpful! Thanks.
Thank you very much for quality content.
My first year I used the white card and dropper. Now I manual custom white balance also everything. It just seems to work better for me and I find that i have more flexibility to get the white balance and style at times that i want. Just me Like always G man great work.
Thanks for the video. In Davinci Resolve, when using the color match panel, I'm asked to put in the color temperature. My camera doesn't do video in raw, so I white balance before shooting. What number am I supposed to put in there then? Or is it best to just manually tweak using my X-Rite passport as a guide, rather than using the automatic color matching?
Thanks, this video will literally improve mine 👍👍
Awesome! Glad to hear it. That's what I'm trying to do. Cheers! 😃👍
You only get this super explanation at this channel. Thanks gerald
Hi Gerald, so what are examples of true RAW video formats? And does the Ninja V actually shoot RAW since they market ProRes RAW? Thanks! Great shoelace idea btw.
Gerald, thank you sincerely for making this video. This information was extremely beneficial! One of the most overlooked objectives indeed. Oh, and the shoe lace concept...INGENIUS 😉
Thanks, Greg! Really appreciate that. Thanks for saying so. 😃🙏
Great video, Gerald. I just shot a two-day event at a hotel, and had to deal with tungsten, incandescent, as well as sunlight - all in the same massive boardroom. I set custom WB with my gray card ahead of time, so the shots vary when I moved around the room. I shoot RAW, so I was able to make them look consistent enough when viewed within a collection of 170 photos. Fortunately, I'm the only one who seems to notice that the room has different tint.
I've been there! I sympathize. You're probably just more sensitive because you've been staring at them. Mixed light is tough, but it sounds like you approached it as best as you could without covering windows and turning off lights.
Really really helpful sir, always informative and on point videos.
Thank you. Glad you're enjoying them. Cheers! 😃🙏
@@geraldundone notifications turned on, can't miss single video of yours. Even if I do I lose something which I could have learnt is least amount of time.
This was really good. I consider myself advanced on settings but I have repeatedly made WB mistakes (and have always used auto for video) great stuff man!
Thanks for saying that. I'm glad it's useful. 😃👍
thank you Gerald!
Great video! The same applies to 16 bit TIFF by the way (as you sort of implied). I tested this a while ago, and while the results are better than with 8 bit JPEGs, drastic WB changes still are very destructive. Nowhere close to what's possible with RAW.
Good note, Lukas. Thanks for that! 👍
I like the approach of showing how it was tested so it can be verified. Good job.
Yes of course, but still the fact he saw himself forced to do it is kinda dumb, because whotebalamcing a shot before you shoot is crucial. There is a rule that says: never doin post, what you can do during production. Andwhite balancing is a camera operators first job to do.
Nice video. I think I knew everything in it but it is still very nice to have the demo and to confirm my beliefs. For me, I’m coming from shooting raw still photos to shooting non-raw video and I’m finding I need to think about a lot of things that raw shooters don’t bother with. I *think* not only WB but also things like the “picture profile” make a difference with non-raw video but not with raw photos.
Definitely. Video is less forgiving in that way. It's important to slow down for a moment and just give yourself a minute to think and go over a checklist before hitting that record button.