Absolutely. Jury is still out on HOW good the trade will be for them (i.e. depends on what they'll get for Jrue)... but the package POR got was much better than what MIA would've been able to give them. They did as well as they could, for sure.
Miami reportedly offered way more picks with herro and a young prospect on the team. They could’ve still got ayton and more pics if they traded w Miami
@@Studentofthegame3 I think those reports are probably just damage control from MIA. The proposed Herro-centered trade offer was out there months ago. It hadn't really changed. MIA thought there would be no market and didn't want to outbid themselves. They miscalculated.
@@mihnlee1826 I didn't know 6'10 Jovic was a guard....also explain Jrue then, if they going to flip him why couldn't they flip Herro as well. Before you even mention getting more for Jrue I bet the most they'll get for him is 1 1st + maybe players because of his age and short term contract.
Underrated aspect of this trade is Blazers GM Joe Cronin traded Dame for the guy that guards him better than anyone else so he can dangle him to other contenders rightfully terrified of having to guard dame and giannis. Horst and Cronin were absolutely cooking there. I dont think he’ll have any issue trading Jrue for a good haul.
Maybe teams like heat or Celtics would give up a lot to get jrue because we all know that jrue is dames kryptonite lol. Good for blazers to be able to get a good return for jrue to continue to build
Jrue was a big part of that 2018 PELs team that took down thr 3rd seed Blazers. 3rd seed got swept by a 6th seed bc they doubled/triple teamed Dame all series with Jrue, Tony Allen, and Rondo.
Dame just had his best season. I think he should have garnered more value. Look at how much Utah got for Gobert just last offseason. But there were a few factors that suppressed Dame's trade value. The main one was that his agent purposefully tanked his value with all that "Dame won't show up to training camp" nonsense. I think it was total BS, but I'm sure it made some teams hesitant. The second thing is that, for one reason or another, the teams with the best assets didn't get involved. Utah, OKC, and New Orleans all easily could have beaten Milwaukee's or Miami's package and STILL fielded a contender. But they either felt they were too early in the process (Utah) or believe in their current roster and want to see it out for at least another season (OKC and New Orleans). I think it was a big mistake on New Orleans' part not to make an offer, but the fact is that they didn't.
And its my personal opinion you are trolling and being dismissive of Dames greatness in that comment. Dame could have got more but they didnt wanna reward MIA or send him a place he didnt wanna go. Giannis and Dame are tight and have been for years plus MIL has 2 former teammates and the previous HC of the Blazers in Stotts.
@@rome8180 MIN ownershop was simply stupid givin so much assets for Rudy. Dame just turned 33, meaning he's gonna take 63mln from the payroll at 36. It is win now, bc in 2026/27 you won't build a roster around Giannis and Dame.
@@Habeev07 I am dismissive. Dame is overpaid for his age. Also he got crazy numbers, bc the rest of the team was bad. Big fish, small tank. Now he's gonna be tested,
I think Holiday easily goes for multiple late first round picks. At least 2. He was still and all star and all defensive player last year and the Bucks 2nd best player. I can see a lot of contenders interested in his service. So overall the package they got is clearly miles better than the Heat deal.
Miami offered their trash and then said they wanted portland to tell them what they wanted so they can meet in the middle , so portland said Bam or jimmy. Miami never came back with the middle offer.
This was a good trade imo, they got draft compensations and also got DeAndre Ayton, who is under contract for 3-4 more years. Plus they got a good young core in Shadeon Sharpe, Scoot Henderson, Anfernee Simons, Jerami Grant and now Ayton. Gonna be a fun team to watch and they aren’t even done since they will trade Jrue Holiday
Jrue Holiday is worth way more then a heavily protected 1st round pick? Starting offers will be 2 FRPs and due to the market demand…could be non protected FRPs…
Shorting Milwaukee's future is a better gamble than shorting Miami's future, imo. Miami has a long record of competence throughout this century. Yes, their players are old. But so are Milwaukee's. It's fairly likely that Lillard, Lopez, and Middleton will all be retired by 2029. That leaves you with a 34-year-old Giannis and no draft capital to rebuild the team around him. And since Giannis is not a shooter and relies so much on his athleticism, I'm not sure we can say for sure that he's going to age gracefully. I trust Miami more to replenish their cupboard. They've proven to be excellent at finding talent outside the lottery and developing it. Plus, Miami is a free agent destination in a way that Milwaukee will never be. Lastly, Miami has possibly the best coach in the entire league. We know Spoelstra can get the most out of his talent. Adrian Griffin may be a great coach for all I know, but there's more uncertainty with him.
I can see why I went to Loyola and not Hopkins cause when you started breaking down the potential packages and all the pick swaps I found myself totally lost by the 2:00 minute mark😂. Great video man glad you’re back
Honestly I feel like this going to be looked back on as one of the most fair trades in NBA history. All teams involved in this deal came out winners. - Suns get bench depth and defense to round out their top/offense loaded roster - Bucks get the best available player on the market to pair alongside Giannis which likely convinces him to sign an extension - Portland saves public face and reputation as well as receives several picks and players that fit exactly what they’re trying to rebuild to
Honestly great analysis, only thing i’d like to chime in with. Dame requested a trade when they kept the 3rd pick and drafted scoot. They did resign grant because dame wanted a contending roster. But dame planned on staying until the draft happened
I’m fairly confused about trade package presented. If Miami renegotiated with OKC to have the potential for three picks, does that mean Tyler Herro was only traded for an expiring contract? Wouldn’t Tyler have been able to garner at least one first round pick (at least reports from the Pacers suggest this)? There’s also rumors that there would have been a multi trade deal involving the suns which would’ve landed Ayton in Portland either way so I don’t think the Bucks package would’ve been any better than that one.
Danny Ainge really wanted Herro too, also the Nets were interested. The key thing here is Cronin would not trade Dame to MIA due to his feelings being hurt by how it was handled (by Dame's manager). Heat did not stand a chance.
I loved the trade for Portland almost as much I did for Milwaukee. Ayton was a #1 pick and people at the time were debating him or Doncic to go number 1. I thought he was a bad fit in Phoenix once they started to get good/
I suspect Jrue is going to net Portland two picks. I was listening to Bobby Marks and Zach Lowe yesterday, and every hypothetical Jrue trade they brought up included two picks. Jrue is a guy who almost every contending team would love to have.
Most likely the 3rd 1st round pick that Woj was referring to was a 1st from another team. I don't think that the Heat would have negotiated the protections with OKC. It probably would have been something like a lottery protected 1st from Utah, 2028 MIA 1st, and a 2030 MIA 1st. Also, Jrue Holiday is already reported to be going for two 1st rounders already...
Wth, I mean Jrue was worth 4 1st round picks + 2 swaps few years ago. He still worth a whole lot more than a single late 1st round for a contender squad imo
6:40 Houston and Blazers are pretty comparable in their recent history with success. They still might bottom out here like they have been for the last few years
HOU is farther ahead on terms on timeline. Scoot will take 3-4 years before being Star status, HOU main piece drafts are in their 3rd year and they just signed veterans to produce right away.
I just hope this means Jody/Vulcan finally sell the team and Phil Knight snags the Blazers to get a competent front office n ownership making further decisions.
Jrue=a late first? Nah. That proved to be way untrue. Brogdon, Rob Will, 2 picks (maybe both late tbf)... Thats a damn haul. This deal really blows the Miami deal out of the water.
This Dame trade, it's like asking my parents a trip to Disneyland and instead they decided to punish me sending me to europe for daring them to request a trip to Orlando lol.
I don't follow. Within this metaphor, when you said : "europe", were you imagining more Cote d'Azur or more Donbas? (Not saying, either is better or worse than Orlando, just curious)
There is no way Jrue is only worth just a late 1st round pick - there's going to be an arms race for him from the title contenders precisely to counter the Bucks now. Its going to be multiple picks and/or young players.
Miami would trade Lowry and its 2024 and 2026 first round picks for Jrue in a heartbeat. The package for Jrue is going to be the equivalent of 3+ first round picks because most contenders can double their chance of a title this year by adding him. He slots into nearly every contender as the third best player and the perfect defender to match onto Booker, Lillard or Murray.
I'm in Portland. Great analysis but Portland was re-signing Grant either way. Even with his inflated new contract, he will have trade value. 6'9" 2-way vets don't grow on trees. He can shoot 3s at a high clip, create his own shot, & defend any position on the floor. His only glaring weakness is rebounding. They were never going to let JG walk.
He completely did the trade wrong, and didnt factor in herros value or that nurk was moved for ayton. Miami couldve got the blazers, Deandre ayton, role player/salary filler(from 3rd team that could be flipped for a pick), jovic and/or jaquez, 2-3 miami unprotected picks, 2 miami swaps, and 1 pick from the 3rd team. And its being said that he wasnt even tryna negotiate with miami cuz of his feelings thts ridiculous. Rn i think the trade from Milwaukee is still decent but i need to see jrue moved for at least salary filler 1 good prospect and 2 picks
@grimlockthethrasher1 He wasn't negotiating with Miami because Riley made an insultingly bad lowball offer (Herro, Robinson and 2 picks) and refused to add to it and by all accounts was an arrogant prick about it and acted like getting Dame for peanuts was a forgone conclusion.
@@grimlockthethrasher1Herro doesn't have much trade value, certainly nothing compared to Jrue Holiday's trade value. The Blazers got a much better package than anything the Heat could have offered.
As a Blazers fan I love this trade I think the biggest losers in this trade are the Suns. The timeline for the blazers is much better now. I could see them being a 40+ win team. It all depends on how big a leap Simons takes and how well scoot plays this year
Bucks are saying Portland cos they basically turned Grayson Allen and Holiday into Dame🤔 Suns had a distressed asset in Ayton and would have moved him for a bag of chips.
@@Kosher93 Miami would do that deal in a heart beat. Late firsts have little value. You got no basketball iq. Lowry expiring. 2024 will be pick 25 or later, 2026 most likely same. Jovic was a late first, didn’t do anything. Jrue top 10pg, all defensive team guard. Not getting him for less than that. Those firsts bucks gave up with jrue for dame have potential to be top 5 picks. High potential
@@Kosher93 they’d be smart to. They aren’t really giving anything up that’s worth much to get an all star player. Giving up picks for Lillard wasn’t a problem. It was that they didn’t have an all star caliber player or anyone that fit the team
@@jacobwood6913 the Heat very rarely trade firsts for non perennial all stars. They are cheap and mostly want to do deals at discounts. Local beat writers have already reported they have not inquired about Jrue and don’t seem inclined to do so. Especially considering they don’t have a good relationship with Cronin.
The Blazers wanted to get rid of Nurk and his contract. Little is the only extra loss from this deal, and I feel like he was always more valuable as a trade piece to sweeten a deal.
I think this is the "best package they were going to get" in the context of Dame sabotaging his trade value with a lot of help from the Heat. In other circumstances, they would have gotten multiple unprotected firsts for Lillard.
Willing to offer and actual offer are two things. From the reports I heard the best offer on the table from the heat was Hero and two 1st Rnd picks. Definitely not going to get it done.
That’s insane to assume that Miami put everything on the table when there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. And Jrue Holiday being of equivalent value to a super late 2024 Heat pick is so far off the mark. Such a bad take in so many ways.
They can get close to the Miami package for Jrue alone. Of course it was worth it. The funniest thing is if they can get draft assets and Harden for Jrue and young player and assets from the Clippers for Harden.
What they actually got from the Bucks was 1 pick, Jrue, and Grayson Allen. I highly doubt the Suns value a guy like Grayson Allen more than a guy like Caleb Martin so the Suns deal was going to be on the table either way. The way you broke down the trade doesn’t make too much sense
Neither of your comments on this video make sense. You might need to reread the trade details, because it doesn’t seem like you know where each asset ended up.
@@gideonwall4303No, OP is correct. Getting Ayton is not exclusive to the Milwaukee trade. Miami could have facilitated that Ayton to Portland trade just as easily as Milwaukee did. Replace Grayson Allen with Caleb Martin or Duncan Robinson and the trade works just as well. So, it makes no sense to evaluate the Ayton portion of the trade.
@@23TDJbut they didn't, did they? So in that case it's pat rileys fault because he didn't get the suns in the deal aswell. Not Cronin being petty or anything.
@jimboylen8386 No one said Cronin was being petty. It just makes no sense when evaluating the trade because what they got from Milwaukee isn't Ayton but Grayson and Jrue, then they leveraged Grayson to get Ayton. The only objective way to compare the trade packages is to look at what they got from Milwaukee, not the side trade.
@@23TDJ you look at it wrong, miamis potential 3 team trade wasn't as compelling as Milwaukees. Portland only cares about what they give up VS what they get. And if you look at it that way Milwaukees package is better. Portland could not care less about from where the assets come as long as they come.
The thing is that Ayton would have gone to Milwaukee either way. If you send Highsmith or Caleb to the Suns along with Nurkic you can keep the pick, keep Jovic, and still get Ayton. Also why didn’t Portland try to get Marjon, the actually young player with elite upside
We will get some pieces for jru. Ayton will have a larger role. And Dame got traded to a contender. Love that man for an excellent decade in RIP city. Happy for him. Lets go Scoot.
Well, if Dame's agent hadn't made it public "He wont like playing in Toronto, I think that ultimately made it so that Toronto was never going to be comfortable with including 1 of the core 3 pieces (GTJ is not one of those, but close) IF the agent had said nothing from the start, and not pigeon-holed Portland into a miami or bust situation. I'm sure Toronto may have offered a much better package... To me OG Gradey Dick Precious Achiuwa Chris Boucher + 3 1sts is a much better haul than both the packages. But because the agent was trying to do everything in his power to get him to Miami that made Toronto hesitant and unwilling to make one of their better offers
He just omitted what Miami would get for Herro. Herro would get more than an expiring contract. Herro who is 23 with multiple years on his contract would fetch about the same as Holiday so 1 to 2 1st rders and an expiring contract.
This trade is medicore at best and bad at worst unless they get something incredible for Jrue and the way MDJ evaluated it made no sense. 1. Ayton is not exclusive to the Milwaukee trade - Miami could have thrown in a role player to help facilitate that trade as well so it makes no sense to include Ayton. Imagine Miami throws in Ducan Robinson or Caleb Martin or Hightower instead of it being Grayson. The trade works just as well, so either include Ayton on the Miami side as well or just take Ayton out the equation. 2. He said they trade Herro to a 3rd team and never said what they get back for him. Unless, he's implying Miami just swaps Herro for an expiring contract. Miami would get way more than an expiring contract for Herro - he has multiple years, avg 20, and he's only 23. 3. Jrue Holiday would fetch more than 1 1st rd pick. He's going to bring in 2-3 or 1 and a solid young player. MDJ needs to reevaluate this trade.
herro doesn't provide much else from scoring. he's closer to a sg than a pg. he can't really play make and has limited vision. Plus his negative wingspan hurts him on defence, which he's already not super engaged from the beginning
To me, the reason Dame requested a trade was when the Blazers actually went through with drafting Scoot Henderson instead of trading him to another team.
Yes, they did. Since they're not going to put in actual effort to try to put a winning team around Dame, they made the right decision by starting to rebuild for the future. Because let's be honest, Ayton and Jrue Holiday aren't going to push the needle when it comes to winning
Mdj im sorry, but you're objectively missing facts. There were multiple rumors and reports of 4 team trade framworks that had that same package going to POR from MIA and deandre ayton with the 4th team givng role players to phoenix and taking on tyler herro. Nobody is talking about those though. Cronin did not want to deal with miami.
Dude you do this for a living. The blazers got Ayton for Nurkic and Grayson Allen. They could've still gotten Ayton in a trade with Miami pretty easily
I'm sorry but the blazers got robbed. They traded the greatest player they've had this century for jrue holiday, deandre ayton, and a draft pick thats still a freshman in high school
As a non-Heat fan with no stakes in Dame's destination, I always thought the Heat had an underwhelming trade package. Dame to the Pels or Celtics seemed way better for the Blazers and I don't know why everyone was so convinced that they would just cave in and trade him to Miami when they had plenty of time to mull it over.
Absolutely. Jury is still out on HOW good the trade will be for them (i.e. depends on what they'll get for Jrue)... but the package POR got was much better than what MIA would've been able to give them. They did as well as they could, for sure.
Miami reportedly offered way more picks with herro and a young prospect on the team. They could’ve still got ayton and more pics if they traded w Miami
@@Studentofthegame3Portland doesn’t need another guard in Tyler Herro.
@@Studentofthegame3 I think those reports are probably just damage control from MIA. The proposed Herro-centered trade offer was out there months ago. It hadn't really changed. MIA thought there would be no market and didn't want to outbid themselves. They miscalculated.
@@mihnlee1826 Jovic is a center but the point stands for Herro.
@@mihnlee1826 I didn't know 6'10 Jovic was a guard....also explain Jrue then, if they going to flip him why couldn't they flip Herro as well. Before you even mention getting more for Jrue I bet the most they'll get for him is 1 1st + maybe players because of his age and short term contract.
Underrated aspect of this trade is Blazers GM Joe Cronin traded Dame for the guy that guards him better than anyone else so he can dangle him to other contenders rightfully terrified of having to guard dame and giannis. Horst and Cronin were absolutely cooking there. I dont think he’ll have any issue trading Jrue for a good haul.
They creating the problem in the East and now they will sell the solution genius marketing
Major props to the Blazers front office. There was never a need to jump into a deal right away.
Maybe teams like heat or Celtics would give up a lot to get jrue because we all know that jrue is dames kryptonite lol. Good for blazers to be able to get a good return for jrue to continue to build
Jrue was a big part of that 2018 PELs team that took down thr 3rd seed Blazers. 3rd seed got swept by a 6th seed bc they doubled/triple teamed Dame all series with Jrue, Tony Allen, and Rondo.
@@je5406You got a crystal ball or something? Lol
In my personal opinion, this is the absolute best value they were going to get for Dame at this stage in his career.
mostly bc of supermax contract. he is win now player
Dame just had his best season. I think he should have garnered more value. Look at how much Utah got for Gobert just last offseason. But there were a few factors that suppressed Dame's trade value. The main one was that his agent purposefully tanked his value with all that "Dame won't show up to training camp" nonsense. I think it was total BS, but I'm sure it made some teams hesitant. The second thing is that, for one reason or another, the teams with the best assets didn't get involved. Utah, OKC, and New Orleans all easily could have beaten Milwaukee's or Miami's package and STILL fielded a contender. But they either felt they were too early in the process (Utah) or believe in their current roster and want to see it out for at least another season (OKC and New Orleans). I think it was a big mistake on New Orleans' part not to make an offer, but the fact is that they didn't.
And its my personal opinion you are trolling and being dismissive of Dames greatness in that comment. Dame could have got more but they didnt wanna reward MIA or send him a place he didnt wanna go. Giannis and Dame are tight and have been for years plus MIL has 2 former teammates and the previous HC of the Blazers in Stotts.
@@rome8180 MIN ownershop was simply stupid givin so much assets for Rudy. Dame just turned 33, meaning he's gonna take 63mln from the payroll at 36. It is win now, bc in 2026/27 you won't build a roster around Giannis and Dame.
@@Habeev07 I am dismissive. Dame is overpaid for his age. Also he got crazy numbers, bc the rest of the team was bad. Big fish, small tank. Now he's gonna be tested,
I think Holiday easily goes for multiple late first round picks. At least 2. He was still and all star and all defensive player last year and the Bucks 2nd best player. I can see a lot of contenders interested in his service. So overall the package they got is clearly miles better than the Heat deal.
Anyone who thinks not is crazy
Miami offered their trash and then said they wanted portland to tell them what they wanted so they can meet in the middle , so portland said Bam or jimmy. Miami never came back with the middle offer.
You hit the nail on the head when you said the blazers did right with dame because he went to a team that has a chance to win a chip
This was a good trade imo, they got draft compensations and also got DeAndre Ayton, who is under contract for 3-4 more years. Plus they got a good young core in Shadeon Sharpe, Scoot Henderson, Anfernee Simons, Jerami Grant and now Ayton. Gonna be a fun team to watch and they aren’t even done since they will trade Jrue Holiday
For some reason I'm more excited about what Portland had gotten than Dame went to the bucks 😅.
made my day seeing you were back into the youtube game. I know you;ve been back for a little while but really made my day fr
Great analysis. My favorite NBA channel right now.
Jrue Holiday is worth way more then a heavily protected 1st round pick? Starting offers will be 2 FRPs and due to the market demand…could be non protected FRPs…
Ayton underrated AF
Miami was not offering that , they had a take it or leave it approach
Shorting Milwaukee's future is a better gamble than shorting Miami's future, imo. Miami has a long record of competence throughout this century. Yes, their players are old. But so are Milwaukee's. It's fairly likely that Lillard, Lopez, and Middleton will all be retired by 2029. That leaves you with a 34-year-old Giannis and no draft capital to rebuild the team around him. And since Giannis is not a shooter and relies so much on his athleticism, I'm not sure we can say for sure that he's going to age gracefully.
I trust Miami more to replenish their cupboard. They've proven to be excellent at finding talent outside the lottery and developing it. Plus, Miami is a free agent destination in a way that Milwaukee will never be. Lastly, Miami has possibly the best coach in the entire league. We know Spoelstra can get the most out of his talent. Adrian Griffin may be a great coach for all I know, but there's more uncertainty with him.
I read on some video, one of the comments said the Blazers are collecting big man busts like Pokemon (Ayton, Bowie, Oden) and I’m creasin 😂😂
I can see why I went to Loyola and not Hopkins cause when you started breaking down the potential packages and all the pick swaps I found myself totally lost by the 2:00 minute mark😂. Great video man glad you’re back
This reeks of Miami trying to save face. Pat was being a cocky douche just a week ago.
Miami fumbled their future.
Realistically Miami just didnt have enough tradable player assets to make it work. If they did, i think they wouldve closed a deal a while back.
Honestly I feel like this going to be looked back on as one of the most fair trades in NBA history. All teams involved in this deal came out winners.
- Suns get bench depth and defense to round out their top/offense loaded roster
- Bucks get the best available player on the market to pair alongside Giannis which likely convinces him to sign an extension
- Portland saves public face and reputation as well as receives several picks and players that fit exactly what they’re trying to rebuild to
Bring back our Sonics!
Gr8 perspective & overall take. Video 🔥 👍🏽🤟🏽
Honestly great analysis, only thing i’d like to chime in with. Dame requested a trade when they kept the 3rd pick and drafted scoot. They did resign grant because dame wanted a contending roster. But dame planned on staying until the draft happened
I’m fairly confused about trade package presented. If Miami renegotiated with OKC to have the potential for three picks, does that mean Tyler Herro was only traded for an expiring contract? Wouldn’t Tyler have been able to garner at least one first round pick (at least reports from the Pacers suggest this)? There’s also rumors that there would have been a multi trade deal involving the suns which would’ve landed Ayton in Portland either way so I don’t think the Bucks package would’ve been any better than that one.
Danny Ainge really wanted Herro too, also the Nets were interested. The key thing here is Cronin would not trade Dame to MIA due to his feelings being hurt by how it was handled (by Dame's manager). Heat did not stand a chance.
I loved the trade for Portland almost as much I did for Milwaukee. Ayton was a #1 pick and people at the time were debating him or Doncic to go number 1. I thought he was a bad fit in Phoenix once they started to get good/
Excelent rational comparison of packages.
Ayton just pulled down 24 boards in tonight’s win. That is promising from a center that’s mainly known for scoring.
can’t change a guy who quits on his team.. but will be fun. Toumani is intriguing
The heat need to start building up their assets with the aging team they have.
I suspect Jrue is going to net Portland two picks. I was listening to Bobby Marks and Zach Lowe yesterday, and every hypothetical Jrue trade they brought up included two picks. Jrue is a guy who almost every contending team would love to have.
Two 1st-round picks AND Malcolm Brogdan and Robert Williams 😮😮
Most likely the 3rd 1st round pick that Woj was referring to was a 1st from another team. I don't think that the Heat would have negotiated the protections with OKC. It probably would have been something like a lottery protected 1st from Utah, 2028 MIA 1st, and a 2030 MIA 1st.
Also, Jrue Holiday is already reported to be going for two 1st rounders already...
Wth, I mean Jrue was worth 4 1st round picks + 2 swaps few years ago. He still worth a whole lot more than a single late 1st round for a contender squad imo
6:40 Houston and Blazers are pretty comparable in their recent history with success. They still might bottom out here like they have been for the last few years
HOU is farther ahead on terms on timeline. Scoot will take 3-4 years before being Star status, HOU main piece drafts are in their 3rd year and they just signed veterans to produce right away.
I think Deandre Ayton can blossom into a star now that he's on a young team and he doesn't have to worry about the pressure.
Good to see you back talking about the NBA. I watched your stuff years ago.
MDJ the type of TH-camr that I leave a like on the vid before even watching
I just hope this means Jody/Vulcan finally sell the team and Phil Knight snags the Blazers to get a competent front office n ownership making further decisions.
And 22 uniforms
Only commentator who had a reasoned take
Jrue to Boston is wild now
Jrue=a late first? Nah. That proved to be way untrue. Brogdon, Rob Will, 2 picks (maybe both late tbf)... Thats a damn haul. This deal really blows the Miami deal out of the water.
This Dame trade, it's like asking my parents a trip to Disneyland and instead they decided to punish me sending me to europe for daring them to request a trip to Orlando lol.
I don't follow. Within this metaphor, when you said : "europe", were you imagining more Cote d'Azur or more Donbas? (Not saying, either is better or worse than Orlando, just curious)
@@floijd I think he means the stereotypical video game representation of eastern Europe.
@@floijd I mean Paris, London, Amsterdam, the typical cities for rich people.
Jrue Holiday is worth more than a 1st rd pick
problem is he's getting older. is he good now? yea but maybe not so much in 3 years time.
@@Tommie22x His contract is only 2 years, and he’s retiring after.
There is no way Jrue is only worth just a late 1st round pick - there's going to be an arms race for him from the title contenders precisely to counter the Bucks now.
Its going to be multiple picks and/or young players.
"Gonna take a fly on this big soft guy"
Miami would trade Lowry and its 2024 and 2026 first round picks for Jrue in a heartbeat. The package for Jrue is going to be the equivalent of 3+ first round picks because most contenders can double their chance of a title this year by adding him. He slots into nearly every contender as the third best player and the perfect defender to match onto Booker, Lillard or Murray.
I'm in Portland. Great analysis but Portland was re-signing Grant either way. Even with his inflated new contract, he will have trade value. 6'9" 2-way vets don't grow on trees. He can shoot 3s at a high clip, create his own shot, & defend any position on the floor. His only glaring weakness is rebounding. They were never going to let JG walk.
Portland gets ayton no matter what team they traded dame to, he was effectively traded for nurk so that could’ve had jovic and ayton in a Miami trade
He completely did the trade wrong, and didnt factor in herros value or that nurk was moved for ayton. Miami couldve got the blazers, Deandre ayton, role player/salary filler(from 3rd team that could be flipped for a pick), jovic and/or jaquez, 2-3 miami unprotected picks, 2 miami swaps, and 1 pick from the 3rd team.
And its being said that he wasnt even tryna negotiate with miami cuz of his feelings thts ridiculous. Rn i think the trade from Milwaukee is still decent but i need to see jrue moved for at least salary filler 1 good prospect and 2 picks
@grimlockthethrasher1 He wasn't negotiating with Miami because Riley made an insultingly bad lowball offer (Herro, Robinson and 2 picks) and refused to add to it and by all accounts was an arrogant prick about it and acted like getting Dame for peanuts was a forgone conclusion.
@@grimlockthethrasher1Herro doesn't have much trade value, certainly nothing compared to Jrue Holiday's trade value. The Blazers got a much better package than anything the Heat could have offered.
They really tried to sell Nikola Jovic
I like Jovic, but acting like he could be the featured piece in a superstar trade was… questionable at best.
What?! Deandre Ayton is just 25?
They also just got 2 other firsts, mark Williams (worth at least a first) and brogden (will trade him for like another first probably)
Did Brett make your thumbnail? 😂😂 good vid
YES
gotta steal from the best!
My guess is at least 2 1sts and a good young player for Jrue and depending on the player this Blazers might even be a playoff team
You were basically, but they also got brogden
@kennethhanes5702 That's good deal. Now let's see what they flip Brogdon for 😆
Smart analysis
I don't think it was 3 MIA 1st round picks, it was two plus one more from whoever took Herro
Good job Portland 🎉
I don't think Miami actually offered 3 picks.
As a Blazers fan I love this trade I think the biggest losers in this trade are the Suns. The timeline for the blazers is much better now. I could see them being a 40+ win team. It all depends on how big a leap Simons takes and how well scoot plays this year
Bucks are saying Portland cos they basically turned Grayson Allen and Holiday into Dame🤔 Suns had a distressed asset in Ayton and would have moved him for a bag of chips.
Jrue for Lowry, jovic, 2024,2026 and 2nds or a swap is fair value
Miami is not doing that deal 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Kosher93 Miami would do that deal in a heart beat. Late firsts have little value. You got no basketball iq. Lowry expiring. 2024 will be pick 25 or later, 2026 most likely same. Jovic was a late first, didn’t do anything. Jrue top 10pg, all defensive team guard. Not getting him for less than that. Those firsts bucks gave up with jrue for dame have potential to be top 5 picks. High potential
@@jacobwood6913 if you think Miami does that deal then you just haven’t been paying attention lol
@@Kosher93 they’d be smart to. They aren’t really giving anything up that’s worth much to get an all star player. Giving up picks for Lillard wasn’t a problem. It was that they didn’t have an all star caliber player or anyone that fit the team
@@jacobwood6913 the Heat very rarely trade firsts for non perennial all stars. They are cheap and mostly want to do deals at discounts. Local beat writers have already reported they have not inquired about Jrue and don’t seem inclined to do so. Especially considering they don’t have a good relationship with Cronin.
But they also traded away Nurkic (starting center) Little (rotation wing )and Keon Johnson (3rd stringer at best)
The Blazers wanted to get rid of Nurk and his contract. Little is the only extra loss from this deal, and I feel like he was always more valuable as a trade piece to sweeten a deal.
I think this is the "best package they were going to get" in the context of Dame sabotaging his trade value with a lot of help from the Heat. In other circumstances, they would have gotten multiple unprotected firsts for Lillard.
The will get multiple unprotected picks.
No . The trade is not for rebuild. Now we will see when gametime starts.
Willing to offer and actual offer are two things. From the reports I heard the best offer on the table from the heat was Hero and two 1st Rnd picks. Definitely not going to get it done.
That’s insane to assume that Miami put everything on the table when there’s plenty of evidence to the contrary. And Jrue Holiday being of equivalent value to a super late 2024 Heat pick is so far off the mark. Such a bad take in so many ways.
I think Greg Oden jr will be good for the Blazers .
Yes everyone won in this trade. Never seen a big trade happened and everyone wins
They can get close to the Miami package for Jrue alone. Of course it was worth it. The funniest thing is if they can get draft assets and Harden for Jrue and young player and assets from the Clippers for Harden.
What they actually got from the Bucks was 1 pick, Jrue, and Grayson Allen. I highly doubt the Suns value a guy like Grayson Allen more than a guy like Caleb Martin so the Suns deal was going to be on the table either way. The way you broke down the trade doesn’t make too much sense
Neither of your comments on this video make sense. You might need to reread the trade details, because it doesn’t seem like you know where each asset ended up.
@@gideonwall4303No, OP is correct. Getting Ayton is not exclusive to the Milwaukee trade. Miami could have facilitated that Ayton to Portland trade just as easily as Milwaukee did. Replace Grayson Allen with Caleb Martin or Duncan Robinson and the trade works just as well. So, it makes no sense to evaluate the Ayton portion of the trade.
@@23TDJbut they didn't, did they? So in that case it's pat rileys fault because he didn't get the suns in the deal aswell. Not Cronin being petty or anything.
@jimboylen8386 No one said Cronin was being petty. It just makes no sense when evaluating the trade because what they got from Milwaukee isn't Ayton but Grayson and Jrue, then they leveraged Grayson to get Ayton. The only objective way to compare the trade packages is to look at what they got from Milwaukee, not the side trade.
@@23TDJ you look at it wrong, miamis potential 3 team trade wasn't as compelling as Milwaukees. Portland only cares about what they give up VS what they get. And if you look at it that way Milwaukees package is better. Portland could not care less about from where the assets come as long as they come.
Great post. Thank you. Also Please close your closet door.
Jrue was always going to be worth more than what yo said
They didn’t do they’re research on Tyler Herro and Jovic is going to be a star and they would’ve been way better than 15-39
I agree with you but you’re not giving Nurkic the value he deserves. Him alone is worth around a first rounder.
who tf is nikola jovic?!
15-39
Ayton isn't that great. Guy just doesn't have that drive to get rebounds, and his development of his offense game hasn't happened.
RIP CITY!!!!!!!!!!
Celtics just traded for Holiday
I wish the heat will trade for jrue for Kyle Lowry and 2024 1st lol
No they did not. Jaime, jovic, Caleb + 2-3 FRP is a way better package
Not even close and that’s what’s offered from what I’ve seen.
The Blazers were gonna resign Grant no matter what
So Ayton with good players is bad so with bad players he's gonna look 👍 😅
The thing is that Ayton would have gone to Milwaukee either way. If you send Highsmith or Caleb to the Suns along with Nurkic you can keep the pick, keep Jovic, and still get Ayton. Also why didn’t Portland try to get Marjon, the actually young player with elite upside
We will get some pieces for jru. Ayton will have a larger role. And Dame got traded to a contender. Love that man for an excellent decade in RIP city. Happy for him. Lets go Scoot.
Well, if Dame's agent hadn't made it public "He wont like playing in Toronto, I think that ultimately made it so that Toronto was never going to be comfortable with including 1 of the core 3 pieces (GTJ is not one of those, but close) IF the agent had said nothing from the start, and not pigeon-holed Portland into a miami or bust situation. I'm sure Toronto may have offered a much better package...
To me
OG
Gradey Dick
Precious Achiuwa
Chris Boucher
+ 3 1sts
is a much better haul than both the packages. But because the agent was trying to do everything in his power to get him to Miami that made Toronto hesitant and unwilling to make one of their better offers
We got back a head case
He just omitted what Miami would get for Herro. Herro would get more than an expiring contract. Herro who is 23 with multiple years on his contract would fetch about the same as Holiday so 1 to 2 1st rders and an expiring contract.
This trade is medicore at best and bad at worst unless they get something incredible for Jrue and the way MDJ evaluated it made no sense.
1. Ayton is not exclusive to the Milwaukee trade - Miami could have thrown in a role player to help facilitate that trade as well so it makes no sense to include Ayton.
Imagine Miami throws in Ducan Robinson or Caleb Martin or Hightower instead of it being Grayson. The trade works just as well, so either include Ayton on the Miami side as well or just take Ayton out the equation.
2. He said they trade Herro to a 3rd team and never said what they get back for him. Unless, he's implying Miami just swaps Herro for an expiring contract. Miami would get way more than an expiring contract for Herro - he has multiple years, avg 20, and he's only 23.
3. Jrue Holiday would fetch more than 1 1st rd pick. He's going to bring in 2-3 or 1 and a solid young player.
MDJ needs to reevaluate this trade.
herro doesn't provide much else from scoring. he's closer to a sg than a pg. he can't really play make and has limited vision. Plus his negative wingspan hurts him on defence, which he's already not super engaged from the beginning
NO ONE GOOD TO DRAFT
To me, the reason Dame requested a trade was when the Blazers actually went through with drafting Scoot Henderson instead of trading him to another team.
Yes, they did. Since they're not going to put in actual effort to try to put a winning team around Dame, they made the right decision by starting to rebuild for the future. Because let's be honest, Ayton and Jrue Holiday aren't going to push the needle when it comes to winning
Bro is still living in 2023💀💀
watch how deandre aytons game falll offf big time........... remember how cp3s centers drastically increase their stats.
They also gave away little and nurkic. Kinda not that great of a trade
Portland won for sure and your breakdown of the Miami picks is beyond inaccurate.
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Mdj im sorry, but you're objectively missing facts. There were multiple rumors and reports of 4 team trade framworks that had that same package going to POR from MIA and deandre ayton with the 4th team givng role players to phoenix and taking on tyler herro. Nobody is talking about those though. Cronin did not want to deal with miami.
Dude you do this for a living. The blazers got Ayton for Nurkic and Grayson Allen. They could've still gotten Ayton in a trade with Miami pretty easily
the heat package was better... Cronin traded Dame to milwaukee, seemingly out of spite.
False
I'm sorry but the blazers got robbed. They traded the greatest player they've had this century for jrue holiday, deandre ayton, and a draft pick thats still a freshman in high school
Ayton is useless when it matters the most.
Portland needs regular season players for now.
ayton and scoot will be great. dame can’t win anything without another superstar so milwaukee was perfect for him.
Ayton is going to disappoint a lot of you guys, I had to watch the guy for 5 seasons. Enjoy
It was motivated by spite imo
Ima heat fan and it really feels like Portland for some reason tried to spite the heat cause they accepted way less than everyone anticipated
So you're biased and your letting your bias influence what you feel for no logical reason. Got it.
As a non-Heat fan with no stakes in Dame's destination, I always thought the Heat had an underwhelming trade package. Dame to the Pels or Celtics seemed way better for the Blazers and I don't know why everyone was so convinced that they would just cave in and trade him to Miami when they had plenty of time to mull it over.
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@@UncleJrueForTue you seem so upset about basketball lmaooo is everything ok??