true. I remember in 2013, newbies both allies and enemies are lost their mind when I do that in my lane. they like 'how do you do that? are you hacking? potang inamo gago walang utak'
Whoever makes such a statement clearly has a Sumail body pillow in their closet. The moment people realized a spell has an animation, they figured out you can cancel it. I specifically remember being a Sven in DotA Allstars and baiting a Puck's phase shift, outplaying him. Good times.
I played in Dotapickup league at the highest ranks in DotA (1). You need 2000+ games and a 55% winrate to join back then. Everyone, even the lower ranks, did Animation canceling, orb walking, etc. That was back in 2005-2008!
Nice video about creeps lane management. I feel at the early stages of the video you forgot to mention he could have pulled to wave towards him by attacking the portrait of any visible enemy hero on the map as soon as he was in the 300 units range of the creeps (since the silencer was out of his vision). There were two visible ones on the safe lane at this exact moment (Orange and Cyan ones).
Got a lot to learn most of those things after hearing them seem common sense but before that they feel alien. Also adapting to the oponents playstyle while also focusing on your pre established plan should help you win. adapting to theyr ( enemy team) playstyle in map movements and also in adjusting the build will make a huge difference in later stages of this guy s ranked progression. It seemes to me carrying the game in dota 2 sums up to transitioning advantages that you get during the lane into structure kills and holding map control as much as possible, being better in a lane is not enough as long as you do not stop the entire game you cant expect some 1 else to carry. It is also difficult for me to understand why are highly good people in very low mmr brackets like 1k-3k you see people that can stomp everyone why dont they climb? i think there is something that i m missing by a lot tbh.
yeah nullifier is like SSR item in 2k bracket thanks for the video tho now i know what can makes me better. i was always choose to play support,but lately i pick all position to ranked and sometimes i get mid or carry lane where i think i can't afford to failed
Does the same apply (LH>DENY>HIT) for melee as well? Is there like a rule for when to drag aggro as melee mid vs range? When do you gank? Iam 6k btw but get role que games in mid and keep losing them any tip/video that is up to date?
Yes its the same for melee and range but it depends upon whether they are in range for you to hit them. You don't want to put yourself in a position where you hit them and you can't get away. Most of the things explained in this replay are universal, it applies to both melee and range. Some exceptions are tower hitting, a bit harder as a melee unless you do a lot of damage to the tower.
9:05 its okay to use q like that, you get 5 passives you will push the lane make 7 stacks with lvl 2 and harass silencer, most of lina players make this now
Settings > "Right-click allies to ... attack or deny" in combination with Settings > advnaced options > check "auto-repeat right mouse". This way you can hold right click on any creep to attack/deny and spam your stop action key (for me "S") to get a better effect of priming the animation for an attack than the spam clicking Pain uses in this video for very little effort.
I played a game vs a right click build ogre yesterday and I was clinkz I and I couldn't do anything. I couldn't last hit or deny or do any damage to his hero. Any thoughts
in lane? just rightclick him until he has to play more passively and you can get more lasthits. Sam thing with puck for example, if you play against a dk what can you do? Harass, otherwise you will get owned
They're all wrong, some matchups just cant be "won" (you can't out lh/deny and you can't push him out of lane). In this case, you can ask for a gank, or you can take jungle camps or stack for later if you're good at farming stacks, you can gank other lanes if your hero is good at it, you can build specifically to go farm jungle (like rush mask of madness on some heroes). On clinkz vs Ogre you either build for fast ganks if both teams allow it, or you max the creep eating spell so you can periodically go into the jungle and eat a big neutral while killing the camps. You can still be more of a nuisance than Ogre with less farm and xp if you play Clinkz well.
why become good at this game? its the most fun on lower levels, on higher mmr it just gets to grinding and try-hard and frustration. i love dota but i really think a lot of people dont pay attention on whats fun and instead waste their freetime trying to become pro or rank up in mmr and all the trash.
8:08 he DOES have to Q that creep though because according to him he misses 50% of his last hits. even without stopstuttering this is a terrible cs percentage to be hitting in trainer.
Its sad that people dumb down their own potential just because of the bracket they are in, most people dont understand that there is not a big ass differrnce between 2k and 5-6k mmr and should straight out research how to play better themselves instead of blaming teammates being bad and enemies being too "good". Start playing like a 8k+ mmr player instead. This is how I gained thousands of mmr quickly (climbed from 1.8k) if you are sub 6kmmr, hear this, Even at higher mmrs I still see monkeys that seem like they play with their feet but still win games constantly, so u dont have to be afraid of "higher rank" players
This game is so unfair. I Play at least OK, and Dota get me supports that don't support, or when I do support, carries that don't even look at the map and die 10-15x per match. Almost impossible to 1v9 unless your too good for ur bracket.
low bracket, u tp to farm, u prioritize farm, u only tp when it's advantegeous fight etc. but side lanes feed, am 30 min. battlefury, enemy safelane takes offlane tower at 7 minutes cause in the first 4 minutes enemy ursa in mega kill, then mb u do 1 good teamfight and u are happy u recovered, u try to lead them, u say go rosh, they dont go rosh, u say let's smoke ward take back map control, they dont smoke, u say ok i have bkb timing let's go, they dont feel to do it or u win teamfight and they all go push t3 with first aegis when enemy is spawning in 20 seconds instead of fucking take the opportunity to split farm the map now the threat is dead, push lanes and have creeps give us info of where the enemy maybe, im 3k mmr, i had many many coaches tell me "u cant be legend" by watching my mechanics and understanding of the game, but then again i cant control the brain of brainless monkeys and so i just accept defeat and go next.
Im in the same spot as u bro, even if a call was good but u lost the fight bc of the execution, after that they will stop listen to u and at that point game is lost
Macro calls don't matter if you are actually much better than your rank. We just saw Mason rank up and he was going 20-0 with silliest builds from the midlane in 3k. Last year Black was recalibrating and did the same thing. I watched him on his stream dominating game after game after game. High MMR players have way superior mechanics and game sense. It doesn't matter what their teammates do
36:47 you want them to get rosh lol slardar jugg no hp and low mana how can they tank rosh maybe exchanging hits LOL bruh try to review what you saying that's risky command. stay in 9k :P
This players are so bad for this rank... I have the same rank but i play a lot better... His lack of knowledge is huge, i think this player never played mid, i mean u dont agro, u dont block wave.. Dont harass the enemy when u have the oportunity, dont know what enemy hero does...
It's about the things you don't notice. You might be better at micro moments but to assess the macro level decisions of other players is very difficult without knowing each and every thought of theirs
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I almost feel guilty watching this video for free.
Good job my friend.
The beauty of someone discovering what nullifier dispels for the first time brings happiness to my soul.
30:23 is rly spot on. Everyone can relate to this. Always remember to pick good spots to fight or else ull drag ur teammate down with u lol.
But oftentimes your pub team fight under the T3 w/o visions and aegis🤣🤣
@@raid1010 REAL
15 minutes in and my mind is already blown. nice guide.
Animation cancelling for last hits wasn't really a Sumail thing I think, it's been around since Dota1
Agreed. Been around since dota 1, learned it from Yaphets SF. Sumail was just a fetus
true. I remember in 2013, newbies both allies and enemies are lost their mind when I do that in my lane.
they like 'how do you do that? are you hacking? potang inamo gago walang utak'
true, from dota 1
I guess its where PainDota first saw it himself then
Whoever makes such a statement clearly has a Sumail body pillow in their closet. The moment people realized a spell has an animation, they figured out you can cancel it.
I specifically remember being a Sven in DotA Allstars and baiting a Puck's phase shift, outplaying him.
Good times.
I love content like this! Thanks for sharing
I played in Dotapickup league at the highest ranks in DotA (1). You need 2000+ games and a 55% winrate to join back then.
Everyone, even the lower ranks, did Animation canceling, orb walking, etc.
That was back in 2005-2008!
This coach is top tier, if i can afford this coach ill definitely get him.
Nice video about creeps lane management.
I feel at the early stages of the video you forgot to mention he could have pulled to wave towards him by attacking the portrait of any visible enemy hero on the map as soon as he was in the 300 units range of the creeps (since the silencer was out of his vision). There were two visible ones on the safe lane at this exact moment (Orange and Cyan ones).
thank for uploading this one.. this one is def made result oriented
This was very useful. Thanks for this man
I loved seeing the whole 3k mmr 50 minute coaching session in the past. It would be nice if you can upload more
Archon 3 is not 3k
3k is legend
i played dota since dota1 released Alchemist, im a mediocre player and this video made me a better player, thanks friend, keep doing the good work
Got a lot to learn most of those things after hearing them seem common sense but before that they feel alien.
Also adapting to the oponents playstyle while also focusing on your pre established plan should help you win.
adapting to theyr ( enemy team) playstyle in map movements and also in adjusting the build will make a huge difference in later stages of this guy s ranked progression.
It seemes to me carrying the game in dota 2 sums up to transitioning advantages that you get during the lane into structure kills and holding map control as much as possible, being better in a lane is not enough as long as you do not stop the entire game you cant expect some 1 else to carry.
It is also difficult for me to understand why are highly good people in very low mmr brackets like 1k-3k you see people that can stomp everyone why dont they climb?
i think there is something that i m missing by a lot tbh.
Ty for this free lesson you explained well ❤❤
huge insight hope i get to legend with this video
how to make your healthbar sudden dissapear when you got damaged?
Would love to get coached out of crusader but it’s to expensive for me 😢
This is actually very helpful. How to get a session like this
Thank you for sharing!
✨🙏💖😁✨
yeah nullifier is like SSR item in 2k bracket
thanks for the video tho now i know what can makes me better.
i was always choose to play support,but lately i pick all position to ranked and sometimes i get mid or carry lane where i think i can't afford to failed
Does the same apply (LH>DENY>HIT) for melee as well? Is there like a rule for when to drag aggro as melee mid vs range? When do you gank? Iam 6k btw but get role que games in mid and keep losing them any tip/video that is up to date?
Yes its the same for melee and range but it depends upon whether they are in range for you to hit them. You don't want to put yourself in a position where you hit them and you can't get away. Most of the things explained in this replay are universal, it applies to both melee and range. Some exceptions are tower hitting, a bit harder as a melee unless you do a lot of damage to the tower.
9:05 its okay to use q like that, you get 5 passives you will push the lane make 7 stacks with lvl 2 and harass silencer, most of lina players make this now
5:38 well its kinda unpratical in game cuz enemy often all stand near the tower and you might die
Animation cancelling would be too hard for certain heroes like Razor, Sniper or Gyrocoptor. Especially with my old man reactions and finger speed.
Settings > "Right-click allies to ... attack or deny" in combination with Settings > advnaced options > check "auto-repeat right mouse". This way you can hold right click on any creep to attack/deny and spam your stop action key (for me "S") to get a better effect of priming the animation for an attack than the spam clicking Pain uses in this video for very little effort.
Sniper, gyro don't have animation
Why would you want to animation cancel on heroes with no animation (gyro and sniper) ???...
@@dlabsnlthey do. you can cancel them just like all the others
@@JetFiiireto fake an attack, so that the enemy misses whatever you two are contesting rn
Lol every old Dota player used to do this. This was not a sumail thing
40:23 why people fight in disadvantage like without mider or without carry 3vs 5, 4vs 5? I hate this
I played a game vs a right click build ogre yesterday and I was clinkz I and I couldn't do anything. I couldn't last hit or deny or do any damage to his hero. Any thoughts
in lane? just rightclick him until he has to play more passively and you can get more lasthits. Sam thing with puck for example, if you play against a dk what can you do? Harass, otherwise you will get owned
Drain your mana to ogre/dk until he backs out then you regen mana
Bro ogre magi has a large base attack, if u want to secured last hit u have to burst him because he's melee and you are range
They're all wrong, some matchups just cant be "won" (you can't out lh/deny and you can't push him out of lane).
In this case, you can ask for a gank, or you can take jungle camps or stack for later if you're good at farming stacks, you can gank other lanes if your hero is good at it, you can build specifically to go farm jungle (like rush mask of madness on some heroes). On clinkz vs Ogre you either build for fast ganks if both teams allow it, or you max the creep eating spell so you can periodically go into the jungle and eat a big neutral while killing the camps. You can still be more of a nuisance than Ogre with less farm and xp if you play Clinkz well.
get gud
why become good at this game? its the most fun on lower levels, on higher mmr it just gets to grinding and try-hard and frustration. i love dota but i really think a lot of people dont pay attention on whats fun and instead waste their freetime trying to become pro or rank up in mmr and all the trash.
specs? amazed u are hitting 500-600fps, can only hit 400 with 5800x3d
7800x3d is the goat
@@PainDota damn. Looks like be upgrading soon
Where r u from @Pain
hey whats the last hit trainer called again? the arcade game?
Training Polygon
mkb was nice too
What are your pc specs?
Ngl when i first played dota when people repeatedly click move i thought it is just stupid ... same with last hit
8:08 he DOES have to Q that creep though because according to him he misses 50% of his last hits. even without stopstuttering this is a terrible cs percentage to be hitting in trainer.
Dont worry buddy. 9k players also smoke into nothing most of the time. And sometimes make extremely questionable builds
My pub game is gonna take the advice from 29:50 to heart and never buy bkb because no one is a threat to them
Its sad that people dumb down their own potential just because of the bracket they are in, most people dont understand that there is not a big ass differrnce between 2k and 5-6k mmr and should straight out research how to play better themselves instead of blaming teammates being bad and enemies being too "good". Start playing like a 8k+ mmr player instead. This is how I gained thousands of mmr quickly (climbed from 1.8k)
if you are sub 6kmmr, hear this, Even at higher mmrs I still see monkeys that seem like they play with their feet but still win games constantly, so u dont have to be afraid of "higher rank" players
You probably just played NA server then
@@Kane-o1s I play in EU server doe...
Sumail? Bruh we've been doing that in 2006 in dota1, lmao...
theres an easier way to do the animation cancel
carry is bad in lower bracket? bro everyone is bad.
You forgot to mentioned to play when you are on condition. because if your love for dota2 fade.. this game tactic does not matter..
This game is so unfair. I Play at least OK, and Dota get me supports that don't support, or when I do support, carries that don't even look at the map and die 10-15x per match. Almost impossible to 1v9 unless your too good for ur bracket.
I was crusader now Ancient 1 i just play offlane and copy amar hahahaa
I can smell your voice
BRO YOU ARE COACH BUT I WANT YOUR GAMEPLAY........... YOU CAN REVIEW YOUR GAMEPLAY TOO IF YOU WANT(:
low bracket, u tp to farm, u prioritize farm, u only tp when it's advantegeous fight etc. but side lanes feed, am 30 min. battlefury, enemy safelane takes offlane tower at 7 minutes cause in the first 4 minutes enemy ursa in mega kill, then mb u do 1 good teamfight and u are happy u recovered, u try to lead them, u say go rosh, they dont go rosh, u say let's smoke ward take back map control, they dont smoke, u say ok i have bkb timing let's go, they dont feel to do it or u win teamfight and they all go push t3 with first aegis when enemy is spawning in 20 seconds instead of fucking take the opportunity to split farm the map now the threat is dead, push lanes and have creeps give us info of where the enemy maybe, im 3k mmr, i had many many coaches tell me "u cant be legend" by watching my mechanics and understanding of the game, but then again i cant control the brain of brainless monkeys and so i just accept defeat and go next.
ok😊
Im in the same spot as u bro, even if a call was good but u lost the fight bc of the execution, after that they will stop listen to u and at that point game is lost
@@Marius-pc9et i feel u
Macro calls don't matter if you are actually much better than your rank. We just saw Mason rank up and he was going 20-0 with silliest builds from the midlane in 3k. Last year Black was recalibrating and did the same thing. I watched him on his stream dominating game after game after game. High MMR players have way superior mechanics and game sense. It doesn't matter what their teammates do
yes bro youre better than everyone in your bracket but stuck at 50% win rate thats crazy 💀
I got stage 10 cancer from all the ads
Then buy premium or shut the f up, f49907
I'm 8k this video ain't for me good job though the stuff you mentioned are pretty much half or more of dota 2
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36:47 you want them to get rosh lol slardar jugg no hp and low mana how can they tank rosh maybe exchanging hits LOL bruh try to review what you saying that's risky command. stay in 9k :P
how much MMR does this guy? cuz im cruuz1 and play much better honestly
Google dunning kruger
No you don't.
@@JetFiiire its free to 1v1
@@HitboxGravy koogle runing throw sh1t
@@developer1133 good one
Lol
This players are so bad for this rank... I have the same rank but i play a lot better... His lack of knowledge is huge, i think this player never played mid, i mean u dont agro, u dont block wave.. Dont harass the enemy when u have the oportunity, dont know what enemy hero does...
so why are u this rank then
bros bringing in-game toxicity into the coments💀
You have other problems then. Otherwise you would not be that rank
It's about the things you don't notice. You might be better at micro moments but to assess the macro level decisions of other players is very difficult without knowing each and every thought of theirs
watch your game replay and youll see how bad you play. If not you may not have enough self-awareness.
the accent is cringe
Yikes. Cringelord detected.