I worked on this shotgun and hated it. If the choke tightened the shot pattern more it may help with drones but it’s was made for breaching doors with Graphite breaching rounds. I keep wondering if someone will make a 20ga or 410 master key to have an under barrel drone defense shotgun thats lighter then a 12ga. You could even do it with a semi auto shot gun. Just have to put the recoil spring around the tube magazine. I saw a gunsmith at bentwood gunsmithing in Vegas do the that trick.
As someone serving in a military, the M26 looks super annoying to run around with. I'd much rather have a standard "masterkey" system, where the rounds are fed through a tube underneath the barrel, like a standard shotgun. Having this giant magazine makes it stupid difficult to operate when prone, or when trying to fire from cover. At least that is what it looks like to me. Big, bulky and heavy, but at least you can shoot hinges off lol.
Seems like a dedicated breacher shotgun that is carried on the back in a sheath would be the least out of the way. Or a dedicated Shotgunner would be far more useful.
it absolutely sucks. I trained with it, and the magazines like to completely come apart while you're loading them, or if you drop them/hit them too hard while they're loaded.
About the only place it was good ! Looks sort of cool but must weigh a ton and looks very awkward to use i much rather have a sawn off on a bit of bungie cord across my chest
@@kez0o9It’s surprisingly light, about 5.3 lbs with the standalone stock assembly. The Mossberg 500 is about ~7 lbs. Which is part of the problem. Despite the recoil absorber in the stock, the M16A2 pistol grip and in-line design of the stock amplify felt recoil by driving it straight into your shoulder and web of the hand. The heavier traditional-stock Mossberg is far more comfortable since it has more mass to absorb the recoil and doesn’t drive all the recoil straight back into your shoulder and hand.
The short barrel limits the range making this weapon a last ditch defense, a single shot accessory. For +1.5 kg the soldier could have a Benelli shotgun with proper range and enough time for multiple shots.
@ Having a rifle as a primary and a shotgun as a secondary firearm is totally possible. The weight of a shotgun + corresponding ammo (~5 kg) might be heavy but lifesaving in a battlefield dominated by small aerial drones.
I was an armorer in the us army and my unit had 10 of the M26s. Most everyone thought they were cool until they actually got to use them. I took one look at them and knew that they would probably only be good at breaching. I’ve talked to soldiers that deployed with the M26 and they said that they usually just left them in their HMMWV. So, some of the people that carried them felt that no shotgun was still better than this shotgun.
Future news. Ukraine: Adopts M26 Dart Russia: Adopts USAS + 12g Frag in response. We should have noticed the pattern when both sides adopted MAV ramming as their META.
From what I've seen the AK underslung variants have shorter barrels, shooting one round at a time with significant reload times, so this is a step up for drone defense... Still, I'd bear the extra weight and carry a full size shotgun, maybe a bullpup shotgun.
I heard that Ukrainian squads had swapped out one of their rifleman for a guy with a mossberg 500 for anti drone capabilities. This seems like a perfect blend of keeping that extra rifle and anti drone capabilities, even with an imperfect system with the M26. Its worth nothing that drone propellers are extremly fragile and don't need much to fracture.
From the sound of things these are trash though and the choke on them makes them terrible for trying to shoot flying targets. Plus I can only imagine being underslung makes it that much more difficult to hit anything. Honestly, id want something like a Midland backpack over that. And at least with the Mossberg you can still reasonably engage targets out to 75-100m with buckshot when you're not shooting at drones. I'm just super glad none of these are problems I personally need to solve. It's all so terrifying.
@TheDarksideFNothing Given that the Russians are creating an improvised version as shown in the Video and the Ukrainians are using a sub optimal system there's must be something about the underslung shotgun that makes it superior to the Mossberg. Watching recent combat footage drones are so numerous and deadly now, there was a video a channel called the chosen company put out where there were literally waves of drones coming at them and they were switching from firing at guys on the ground to shooting drones then back to the ground. In that environment I can imagine having an underslung capacity is significantly better than having a mossberg as you don't have waste time swapping over firing then swapping back. The one good thing is that drones are very easy to knock out, their rotors are very fragile and if one rotor breaks the whole system falls out the sky. So I cam imagine with a little bit of modification to the choke you could have a system that works very well if not perfect.
A nice dual-purpose weapon. Works on drones and the enemy, too! I have looked at the RIA/Armscor VR80 for a home defense weapon, and it fits the bill. It can be fitted with an M4 carbine stock, so it should be an easy switch from those that are used to an AR type firearm. The addition of those to the UA would be a plus and add additional range to drone pigeon shooting with the three additional chokes that come with it, 20" bbl and #2 shot or buck for an increased spread. Gas operation is a plus. BTW, the VR80 also shoots slugs with ease. As for a trade off, it would appear that there's not a lot of humping (patrolling) so if you're in a trench warfare situation the weight is only a distant second. The M97 1917 12ga Winchester trench sweeper was an excellent weapon during WWI.
I doubt this would be very effective against drones at all, because not only is it ergonomically shit and a bolt action that effectively only gives you a single shot at a time…. It has an extremely short barrel that’s going to give you a very wide dispersal pattern very quickly and you’re not going to be able to engage at target passed about 15 feet.
Shotguns during WW-I were called something like "Trench Cleaners or Sweepers". Now they have 20 uses I've not heard about. "Breaching" sounds more like police applications . Where does it fit into Ukraine's tactical field applications? As a last ditch antidorone weapon sounds unlikely.
The two militaries that conquered most of the world, British Empire in the past, and current the Anglo-American-Zionist Empire. Yards are better than meters
Now that's a surprise! I was patiently waiting for the MK17 video, but got this unexpected present, i love underbarrel shotguns as much as the MK17! It may be an unpopular opinion, but i think underbarrel shotguns could become good tools against small drones.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkit's imperfect but it works. I've heard that some Ukrainian squads initially swapped out one of their rifleman to carry a mossberg 500 for an anti drone capability, but the M26 as imperfect as it is allows the squad to have that full rifle squad and anti drone capabilities.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk I think technology has advanced enough to being able to produce a reliable, semiautomatic underbarrel shotgun with minimal weight compromise.
breach shotgun? so movies did not lie to me. also is it safe to use firearm so close to objects? what about things flying back to shooter? also how many shots does it need to actually breach it?
The ammuntion used for breaching is designed to fragment into small less dangerous pieces, i believe they usually aim for the hinges and where any sort of deadbolt/lock would be when attempting a breach.
You use special ammunition for breaching, with projectiles made of soft copper or graphite. With the proper ammunition you don't have to worry about splashback or ricochet too much. Usually only takes one or two shots depending on the latching mechanism.
never heard much good said about them, idk anyone who liked them or preferred them, seems popular more from media and fiction probably if i had to guess. kinda the worst of both worlds unless you have zero other decent options.
RE: 3:18 anti drone uses... has anyone thought to develop a shotgun cartridge which deploys a corner weighted net? Or is that impossible? Sorry if dumb question on a smart channel, just kind of stumbled across it
It seems hardly worthwhile attaching to a decent rifle. It doesn't have the range for drone knockdown nor the semi auto "second or third shot before I die" capability... and opening doors with this in a warzone is suicidal....
@@copter2000True but the Urban/trench oriented nature of the combat in Ukraine would make carrying an extra "long" weapon quite a hindrance I'd imagine.
Len, that's what the M97 Winchester WWI shotgun was used for, trench clearing. You can clear a much larger area with one shotgun blast that you can with a full auto rifle in a trench. Each 00 buck round is .355 in diameter so it's the same as a 38 Special, 357 or 9mm but a whole lot more of them all at once. Chances of a miss with a shotgun blast at close range is negligible.
@@baneofbanes: Bane, if it's close in work I'll take the shotgun every time. At ranges exceeding 25 yards, yea a rifle but from what I've seen not many attackers get past the mines and arty so it is close range most of the times. Of course it depends on if you're in the defense or attacking. It certainly isn't a "one size fits all" war. From all the vids I've watched, an APC gets the troops close to the tree line and then the dismounts enter it. Firing at the 'sound' with a shotgun blast gives you a much better chance of a hit than a rifle round. Guaranteed that fireing into a bunker with a shotgun will be much more effective than with a rifle. The psychological effect would be tremendous just from the blast noise alone and encourage the defender to chu Hoi (surrender). That being said that M26 setup looks pretty worthless! I never knew it even existed! Like a scrotum on the pope!
They need to develop a 10 or even an a 8 gauge autoloader for anti-drone use. I think remington at 1 time had an 8 gauge autoloader actuon used to clear out the insides of industrial silos/smoke stacks/tanks by percussion/abrasion
I was thinking more of a single-use "roman candle" giving a rapid - if erratic - cloud of lead in a last ditch scenario without busting up the firer too much.
@Hornet_Legion: They do. It's a 20" bbl, gas operated, semiautomatic 12ga Armscor/RIA VR80. AR style, available with an 9 or 19 round magazine. An M4 carbine stock is adaptable to it. Affordable and dependable at around $500+ last time I checked.
The Ukrainians apparently are using cheap Turkish semi auto bullpup 12G shotguns as anti drone...with "special" Ukrainian developed anti drone ammo. Another YT shows a "shoot out of the box to destruction" "test" of one of these...click bait BS of course. Might be worth a follow up because the bolt action monstrosity isn't very handy... and any Ukrainian soldier wanting to "open a door" will be using a grenade..... or an RPG..... or a 500kg glide bomb... or a 155mm shell called in..... This is purely a "Police action" type breaching appliance not a war tool... and aren't the soldiers trying to use this POS "on a range while not under fire"..... just exuding happiness.....???
John, I've watched plenty of test videos on the Armscor/RIA VR80.Turkish made but every video I've watched has a very good recommendation after a 3k test firing. I would have bought one but where I'm living I can't own or possess a firearm. Country law.
We had that weapon back in August 2003 at Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan. I was with the 10th Mountain Division. Personally, I think it is a waste of time and money. A real shotgun would be better than that tiny shotgun.
You had it very early days then! It seems now that Army is issuing it as a standalone which seems to completely undermine the original point of the weapon.
I heard that Ukrainian squads did rotate out one of their rifleman for a guy with a Mossberg 500 for anti drone capabilities. But I can see that as imperfect as the M26 is it allows for a middle ground of keeping that extra rifle and the anti drone capability.
The best weapon for drones, soldiers can carry is the American 180. It is a .22 long open bolt, submachine gun with a cycle rate of 1200 rpm. It uses high quality pan magazines with 275 being the largest. Sitting on top it offers quick change. The weapon has excellent accuracy. It has good ergonomics and would be excellent with polymer stock pistol/fore grips. 22 long gives it an accuracy well over 200 meters. And carries enough energy to destroy FPVs. The weapon is still made in the US, although in semiauto only.
This didnt show up in my feed! TH-cam you bastards, you should know which channels I always watch by now! Also, why do i keep getting Anime Recaps as recommends?
@ look it up. In the trenches it is amazing and the Germans protested to make it illegal. But of course you need MG and assault rifles to get you to the trench
In post Soviet countries we don't use shotguns in police or army forces. They even had a 12 gouge models, designed especially for police, but our cops still use handguns, SMG and short AKs. Because shotguns has no breaching ability due to metal doors. All houses and apartments has metal doors only. That's why all post Soviet country's SWAT use explosives or disc saw to cut through the doors. Russian and Ukrainian police has a huge 4 gouge shotgun (KS23), but they use it to throw small gas grenades during riot control operations. So the first shotguns in Russian or Ukrainian armys appeared during current conflict. All these pieces are civilian long barrel hunting shotguns, to reach the drones. These are pump action, semi auto, or even double barrel shotguns. These are civilian guns, that soldiers buy themselves. So they can't use it against enemy infantry by laws of war. Both sides use them as a tool against drones only.
@salvagedude625 yes, but there is one to use your personal weapon, that is not given to you by your army. Even in US you can't bring your crossbow with poisoned bolts, or revolver with expanding bullets to the battlefield. There are international restrictions for all armys. But they are not apply on civilians or police. Civilian and police gun laws are local ones, and very different in every country. For example non lethal rubber buckshot for shotguns is prohibited in Russia. But the actual buckshot is OK. This weird rule is made to prevent using all strange projectiles like "dragon breathe" or nail shaped projectiles. Cuz some of them can cause an unnecessary suffering.
Getting real sick of seeing our money being sent over there. Paying for weapons, paying for salary's (yes, look it up), paying for that clown presidents' wife's new jewelry and houses. Sick of it.
Thanks for watching guys, here's the accompanying article for this video - armourersbench.com/2024/12/22/m26-mass-in-ukraine/
Happy holidays.
Jesus Ukraine can't catch a break first the Russians and now the m26. Sorry that you have to deal with that derpy pos shotgun.
Is it actually bad or you are doing it for a joke?
@@vos2693 I shot the M26 once in the Army while cross training with a sister unit, hated the fucking thing. I'd rather just lug around the M500.
@@vos2693 Its so bad.
Notorious for jamming. @@vos2693
@@professionalschizo The short barreled mossberg 500 is nearly the same weight.
I worked on this shotgun and hated it. If the choke tightened the shot pattern more it may help with drones but it’s was made for breaching doors with Graphite breaching rounds. I keep wondering if someone will make a 20ga or 410 master key to have an under barrel drone defense shotgun thats lighter then a 12ga. You could even do it with a semi auto shot gun. Just have to put the recoil spring around the tube magazine. I saw a gunsmith at bentwood gunsmithing in Vegas do the that trick.
Thats why it been send to Ukraine basicly everything the USA wants to get rid off they send to Ukraine
As someone serving in a military, the M26 looks super annoying to run around with. I'd much rather have a standard "masterkey" system, where the rounds are fed through a tube underneath the barrel, like a standard shotgun. Having this giant magazine makes it stupid difficult to operate when prone, or when trying to fire from cover. At least that is what it looks like to me. Big, bulky and heavy, but at least you can shoot hinges off lol.
Some buffoon decided that its “obsolete” so you need the M26 waste maschine
Seems like a dedicated breacher shotgun that is carried on the back in a sheath would be the least out of the way. Or a dedicated Shotgunner would be far more useful.
@@1911GreaterThanALL right but that was the whole point of the mass, you didnt have to carry another full length weapon on you just to open doors.
I had this thing. It ruins the usability of your rifle. It is great as standalone though, better than carrying a full size shotgun
@@1911GreaterThanALL The M26 is mostly used and carried as a standalone weapon nowadays. It's rare to see it attached to a rifle.
The guys using it look like they hate it.
it absolutely sucks. I trained with it, and the magazines like to completely come apart while you're loading them, or if you drop them/hit them too hard while they're loaded.
Like the short intro thing at the beginning 👍
Ooh thank you!
R6 Buck setup in Ukraine before GTA 6
You're basically advertising for a woke game with that trite joke.
@Saturn-Matrix what?
I don't get it
@@Saturn-Matrix You're taking a quick joke way too seriously. Relax. Rainbow Six isn't going to infect you with "wokeness" through a TH-cam comment.
@@Saturn-Matrix touch grass
@@Saturn-Matrix its not that deep bro
For the looks the masterkey is way better looking as a under barrel to this thing.
That guy has the most battlefield 3 setup possible
About the only place it was good !
Looks sort of cool but must weigh a ton and looks very awkward to use i much rather have a sawn off on a bit of bungie cord across my chest
@@kez0o9It’s surprisingly light, about 5.3 lbs with the standalone stock assembly. The Mossberg 500 is about ~7 lbs. Which is part of the problem.
Despite the recoil absorber in the stock, the M16A2 pistol grip and in-line design of the stock amplify felt recoil by driving it straight into your shoulder and web of the hand. The heavier traditional-stock Mossberg is far more comfortable since it has more mass to absorb the recoil and doesn’t drive all the recoil straight back into your shoulder and hand.
If i remember correctly they try to sell these here in Australia with full stocks and Barrels for 3k and up they did not catch on
Yeah they're around, not a great gun tho
@h.c5750 I think I will stick with my t2000
I think some cheap compact lightweight single shot shotgun would be nice to carry around next to your backpack whenever a drone comes up
It's extremely unlikely they have any luck Against drones unless they at least change the choke a great deal
Is it a car?
0:02 : Note the ACOG. It's obviously meant to be used with the M26 MASS, not the M4A1 carbine.
The short barrel limits the range making this weapon a last ditch defense, a single shot accessory. For +1.5 kg the soldier could have a Benelli shotgun with proper range and enough time for multiple shots.
My thoughts too. Thanks for watching
I think that would be a bit akward to carry around while still wanting a rifle with you
@ Since FPVs becoming far more lethal than the russian grunts with AKs, shotguns could become kind of primary weapons in Ukraine IMO
@@gaborbravo1 Combat shotgun with an underslung rifle when you need to engage infantry would be wild to see...
@ Having a rifle as a primary and a shotgun as a secondary firearm is totally possible. The weight of a shotgun + corresponding ammo (~5 kg) might be heavy but lifesaving in a battlefield dominated by small aerial drones.
The m26 should now be on all field rifles, semi would be better for drones! Drones are friggin terrifying!!!
can you do a video on the combat cat ears?...
i shit you not theres been at least 2 cases of soldiers sporting cat ears on their helmets
Haha I've seen them. Yeah, I could do that eventually, I've never thought to monitor them before.
Special femboy catgirl battalion.
@@TheArmourersBenchplease do
@@copter2000 SMO is all about reclaiming femboys? 😭
I was an armorer in the us army and my unit had 10 of the M26s. Most everyone thought they were cool until they actually got to use them. I took one look at them and knew that they would probably only be good at breaching. I’ve talked to soldiers that deployed with the M26 and they said that they usually just left them in their HMMWV. So, some of the people that carried them felt that no shotgun was still better than this shotgun.
Great video as usual. Cheers
Thank you!
Some one is takeing out the trash i wonder if they have any grappling hook knives with them
Future news.
Ukraine: Adopts M26 Dart
Russia: Adopts USAS + 12g Frag in response.
We should have noticed the pattern when both sides adopted MAV ramming as their META.
From what I've seen the AK underslung variants have shorter barrels, shooting one round at a time with significant reload times, so this is a step up for drone defense... Still, I'd bear the extra weight and carry a full size shotgun, maybe a bullpup shotgun.
I heard that Ukrainian squads had swapped out one of their rifleman for a guy with a mossberg 500 for anti drone capabilities.
This seems like a perfect blend of keeping that extra rifle and anti drone capabilities, even with an imperfect system with the M26.
Its worth nothing that drone propellers are extremly fragile and don't need much to fracture.
Don't even insinuate that abomination is worth anything more than the space it takes up in a trash can.
From the sound of things these are trash though and the choke on them makes them terrible for trying to shoot flying targets. Plus I can only imagine being underslung makes it that much more difficult to hit anything.
Honestly, id want something like a Midland backpack over that.
And at least with the Mossberg you can still reasonably engage targets out to 75-100m with buckshot when you're not shooting at drones.
I'm just super glad none of these are problems I personally need to solve. It's all so terrifying.
@TheDarksideFNothing Given that the Russians are creating an improvised version as shown in the Video and the Ukrainians are using a sub optimal system there's must be something about the underslung shotgun that makes it superior to the Mossberg.
Watching recent combat footage drones are so numerous and deadly now, there was a video a channel called the chosen company put out where there were literally waves of drones coming at them and they were switching from firing at guys on the ground to shooting drones then back to the ground.
In that environment I can imagine having an underslung capacity is significantly better than having a mossberg as you don't have waste time swapping over firing then swapping back.
The one good thing is that drones are very easy to knock out, their rotors are very fragile and if one rotor breaks the whole system falls out the sky.
So I cam imagine with a little bit of modification to the choke you could have a system that works very well if not perfect.
Thank you 😎
A nice dual-purpose weapon. Works on drones and the enemy, too!
I have looked at the RIA/Armscor VR80 for a home defense weapon, and it fits the bill. It can be fitted with an M4 carbine stock, so it should be an easy switch from those that are used to an AR type firearm.
The addition of those to the UA would be a plus and add additional range to drone pigeon shooting with the three additional chokes that come with it, 20" bbl and #2 shot or buck for an increased spread. Gas operation is a plus.
BTW, the VR80 also shoots slugs with ease. As for a trade off, it would appear that there's not a lot of humping (patrolling) so if you're in a trench warfare situation the weight is only a distant second.
The M97 1917 12ga Winchester trench sweeper was an excellent weapon during WWI.
I doubt this would be very effective against drones at all, because not only is it ergonomically shit and a bolt action that effectively only gives you a single shot at a time…. It has an extremely short barrel that’s going to give you a very wide dispersal pattern very quickly and you’re not going to be able to engage at target passed about 15 feet.
Shotguns during WW-I were called something like "Trench Cleaners or Sweepers". Now they have 20 uses I've not heard about. "Breaching" sounds more like police applications . Where does it fit into Ukraine's tactical field applications? As a last ditch antidorone weapon sounds unlikely.
Interesting to see this weapon. I’m uncertain as to its utility but interesting nonetheless.
what shotgun was that in 3:56?
Turkish I believe, I need to check, just threw it in as a representative example of the sort of things available.
Grenade launchers tend to be run stand alone now due to the weight. An underbarrel shotgun seems like an even worse idea
Breaching rounds aren't an issue. Frangible slugs are available in Europe and a good stand in is easy to make from skeet shots
Why did you quote range in Yards? What military uses yards?
Because it's what I was thinking in when I made the video. Its 13.7m to 27.5m. thanks for watching.
@TheArmourersBench yeah, didn't mean to be a B.
@@acmelka no worries :)
The two militaries that conquered most of the world, British Empire in the past, and current the Anglo-American-Zionist Empire. Yards are better than meters
Now that's a surprise! I was patiently waiting for the MK17 video, but got this unexpected present, i love underbarrel shotguns as much as the MK17!
It may be an unpopular opinion, but i think underbarrel shotguns could become good tools against small drones.
But not this monstrosity that can't give you quick 2nd and 3rd shot capability
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkit's imperfect but it works. I've heard that some Ukrainian squads initially swapped out one of their rifleman to carry a mossberg 500 for an anti drone capability, but the M26 as imperfect as it is allows the squad to have that full rifle squad and anti drone capabilities.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk I think technology has advanced enough to being able to produce a reliable, semiautomatic underbarrel shotgun with minimal weight compromise.
anyone got a link to the video showing the different weapons used mentioned at 2:11?
like I said it's in the accompanying blog and linked in the video card.
Seven words or more for the algorithm. Slava Ukraine ! 🇺🇦
Gay
Definitely for drones..
breach shotgun? so movies did not lie to me. also is it safe to use firearm so close to objects? what about things flying back to shooter? also how many shots does it need to actually breach it?
The ammuntion used for breaching is designed to fragment into small less dangerous pieces, i believe they usually aim for the hinges and where any sort of deadbolt/lock would be when attempting a breach.
You use special ammunition for breaching, with projectiles made of soft copper or graphite. With the proper ammunition you don't have to worry about splashback or ricochet too much. Usually only takes one or two shots depending on the latching mechanism.
There’s no way Buck from R6 didn’t inspire his kit
never heard much good said about them, idk anyone who liked them or preferred them, seems popular more from media and fiction probably if i had to guess.
kinda the worst of both worlds unless you have zero other decent options.
That thing looks like it runs like, hot garbage running down a gravel road dragging a piano.
RE: 3:18 anti drone uses... has anyone thought to develop a shotgun cartridge which deploys a corner weighted net? Or is that impossible? Sorry if dumb question on a smart channel, just kind of stumbled across it
There are efforts to do so but the russian example which is in production is focused on a weighted line rather than a net.
some how not surprised it’s in Ukraine
It seems hardly worthwhile attaching to a decent rifle.
It doesn't have the range for drone knockdown nor the semi auto "second or third shot before I die" capability...
and opening doors with this in a warzone is suicidal....
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Drones are flying pretty low from stories I've heard around 10-20 metres
@Bigcat726: Ukraine has become a dumping ground for useless and obsolete western weapons at new prices through military aid packages. SMFH!
This truly could be the most hated shotgun in our country this thing truly sucks and it belongs in the trash
A few more kilos and you could have an actual shotgun.
@@copter2000True but the Urban/trench oriented nature of the combat in Ukraine would make carrying an extra "long" weapon quite a hindrance I'd imagine.
Is that the gun from battlefield???
I'd say that it would be handy for clearing defensive positions, which is the role of these troops, I think.
That’s what the assault rifle is for.
Len, that's what the M97 Winchester WWI shotgun was used for, trench clearing. You can clear a much larger area with one shotgun blast that you can with a full auto rifle in a trench. Each 00 buck round is .355 in diameter so it's the same as a 38 Special, 357 or 9mm but a whole lot more of them all at once. Chances of a miss with a shotgun blast at close range is negligible.
@@baneofbanes: Bane, if it's close in work I'll take the shotgun every time. At ranges exceeding 25 yards, yea a rifle but from what I've seen not many attackers get past the mines and arty so it is close range most of the times.
Of course it depends on if you're in the defense or attacking. It certainly isn't a "one size fits all" war.
From all the vids I've watched, an APC gets the troops close to the tree line and then the dismounts enter it. Firing at the 'sound' with a shotgun blast gives you a much better chance of a hit than a rifle round. Guaranteed that fireing into a bunker with a shotgun will be much more effective than with a rifle. The psychological effect would be tremendous just from the blast noise alone and encourage the defender to chu Hoi (surrender).
That being said that M26 setup looks pretty worthless! I never knew it even existed! Like a scrotum on the pope!
M26 Mass Glitch in real life 💀💀💀
Good lord that thing is SICK I don't care if it doesn't make sense lmao
No-no-no, can't be, it's not organic!
Looks like the AA12 might see a resurgence against FPV drones.
Unlikely. They’re unwieldy, and shotguns are the last line of defense against drones. EW and other drones are the best defense against enemy drones.
@@baneofbanes I'm sure the AA12 design could be improved to be more manageable.
I never understood the point of M26. Given a choice why would you ever pick this awkward contraption over a pump action?
This is most likely only intended for use against drones.
there’s no honor killing a man with a glitched gun like the m26 dart
They need to develop a 10 or even an a 8 gauge autoloader for anti-drone use.
I think remington at 1 time had an 8 gauge autoloader actuon used to clear out the insides of industrial silos/smoke stacks/tanks by percussion/abrasion
I was thinking more of a single-use "roman candle" giving a rapid - if erratic - cloud of lead in a last ditch scenario without busting up the firer too much.
@Hornet_Legion: They do. It's a 20" bbl, gas operated, semiautomatic 12ga Armscor/RIA VR80. AR style, available with an 9 or 19 round magazine. An M4 carbine stock is adaptable to it.
Affordable and dependable at around $500+ last time I checked.
@skipperclinton1087 nope... I said 10 or 8 gauge
@Hornet_Legion If what you were mostly doing was carrying the thing around in harsh conditions, your opinion might change...
@VikOlliver 10 gauge shotguns arent very big at all. Duck hunters use them to bring down ducks up to 100 yards/300 feet away.
And service in the Amazon Predator 😮
Id much rather have a saiga 12 or even and 870 master key, that thing seems cludgy as hell.
The Ukrainians apparently are using cheap Turkish semi auto bullpup 12G shotguns as anti drone...with "special" Ukrainian developed anti drone ammo.
Another YT shows a "shoot out of the box to destruction" "test" of one of these...click bait BS of course.
Might be worth a follow up because the bolt action monstrosity isn't very handy...
and any Ukrainian soldier wanting to "open a door" will be using a grenade.....
or an RPG.....
or a 500kg glide bomb...
or a 155mm shell called in.....
This is purely a "Police action" type breaching appliance not a war tool...
and aren't the soldiers trying to use this POS "on a range while not under fire"..... just exuding happiness.....???
Definitely going to cover shotgun use, it's become very widespread obviously.
John, I've watched plenty of test videos on the Armscor/RIA VR80.Turkish made but every video I've watched has a very good recommendation after a 3k test firing. I would have bought one but where I'm living I can't own or possess a firearm. Country law.
@@skipperclinton1087 he's a felon with SA charges don't listen to him
I've been wondering about these.
Awesome!
I could easily see that for quick reaction drone defense,,, it at least gives you a fighting chance without dropping your rifle and grabbing a shotgun
We had that weapon back in August 2003 at Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan. I was with the 10th Mountain Division. Personally, I think it is a waste of time and money. A real shotgun would be better than that tiny shotgun.
You had it very early days then! It seems now that Army is issuing it as a standalone which seems to completely undermine the original point of the weapon.
I heard that Ukrainian squads did rotate out one of their rifleman for a guy with a Mossberg 500 for anti drone capabilities. But I can see that as imperfect as the M26 is it allows for a middle ground of keeping that extra rifle and the anti drone capability.
I’d rather have a Benleeee m2
The best weapon for drones, soldiers can carry is the American 180. It is a .22 long open bolt, submachine gun with a cycle rate of 1200 rpm. It uses high quality pan magazines with 275 being the largest. Sitting on top it offers quick change. The weapon has excellent accuracy. It has good ergonomics and would be excellent with polymer stock pistol/fore grips. 22 long gives it an accuracy well over 200 meters. And carries enough energy to destroy FPVs. The weapon is still made in the US, although in semiauto only.
They got OPERATION METRO 24/7 ### ALL WEAPONS ALLOWED ### NO RULES ### 2000 TICKETS 120HZ in ukraine before GTA6
Can't do anything without foreign support award 🏆
They are fighting a major power of course they need support. Even Russia needs support from external allies.
@TheArmourersBench ehhh I just wanted a reason to write award
This didnt show up in my feed! TH-cam you bastards, you should know which channels I always watch by now!
Also, why do i keep getting Anime Recaps as recommends?
The algorithm is a mess haha.
Battlefield 3 Meta
bolt action seems like its wasting its potential
Tbh it's much lighter
Imagine you hold 2 gun effectively
Quite awkward looking
Seems like the model 1897 Browning would be a better as it was used in WwI as a trench sweeper.
Up against a rifle or submachine gun (or a belt fed machine gun).....in open country before you get into the trenches?.....yeah, right.
@ look it up. In the trenches it is amazing and the Germans protested to make it illegal. But of course you need MG and assault rifles to get you to the trench
Will you do a video on ukraines new missile?
terminator salvation M26 MASS John Connor movie
In post Soviet countries we don't use shotguns in police or army forces. They even had a 12 gouge models, designed especially for police, but our cops still use handguns, SMG and short AKs.
Because shotguns has no breaching ability due to metal doors. All houses and apartments has metal doors only. That's why all post Soviet country's SWAT use explosives or disc saw to cut through the doors.
Russian and Ukrainian police has a huge 4 gouge shotgun (KS23), but they use it to throw small gas grenades during riot control operations.
So the first shotguns in Russian or Ukrainian armys appeared during current conflict. All these pieces are civilian long barrel hunting shotguns, to reach the drones. These are pump action, semi auto, or even double barrel shotguns. These are civilian guns, that soldiers buy themselves. So they can't use it against enemy infantry by laws of war. Both sides use them as a tool against drones only.
there's no restrictions on the use of shotguns by the laws of war
@salvagedude625 yes, but there is one to use your personal weapon, that is not given to you by your army. Even in US you can't bring your crossbow with poisoned bolts, or revolver with expanding bullets to the battlefield. There are international restrictions for all armys. But they are not apply on civilians or police. Civilian and police gun laws are local ones, and very different in every country.
For example non lethal rubber buckshot for shotguns is prohibited in Russia. But the actual buckshot is OK. This weird rule is made to prevent using all strange projectiles like "dragon breathe" or nail shaped projectiles. Cuz some of them can cause an unnecessary suffering.
Lmfao… ukraine?
Effective range info is inaccurate
I gave the practical range not the effective range.
tom from legacy is the sole reason why ill never support the history of weapons and war
No problem on my end, each to their own. I'll be on here as long as they let me upload.
What?
It's garbage
Getting real sick of seeing our money being sent over there.
Paying for weapons, paying for salary's (yes, look it up), paying for that clown presidents' wife's new jewelry and houses.
Sick of it.
Sure thing Ruski. Just don’t go asking to go to Taiwan or Korea when a China starts wars there.
_5 months old account_ are you roleplay as US citizens?
I don't think hypersonic missile, kornet, armata, etc are exactly 0 rubles
@@baneofbanes Yeah buddy, I'm not Israeli.
Lol. Nice try shabbos.
@@TheNothing00000 are you brain dead or something? I said I don’t want us to go to war. You saying the Israelis want peace lol?
All guns should be banned 😢
Then what would people shoot?
And who gets to have guns to enforce it? And what's to stop them from enslaving everyone without guns?
Found the soy-loving liberal.
you're right!
I’ll never understand who decided it was a good idea to design a shotgun that racks a round like a shotgun.
It's a really unusual design choice.
That thing looks like its aggravating AF.