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If Russia really wants to make money, they'd make scaled- up "silicone replicas" of what these look like and advertise them to "lonely" people. Given that loneliness can apparently drive people to enact martial law, it'd also be the first time the Russian government worked to promote democracy in a while.
It's because YT is pro Ukraine. Anything showing support or information about how Russia can actually get these drones, is usually a no go as you see yourself.
The modification of the step by step is absolutely against youtube guidelines. At one point, you couldn't show removing a suppressor. You can show the finished, but not tell them a parts list or the manufacture of it
Your thinking of Spiw. ACR program was looking for a new individual weapon system. They tried super fast burst modes and recoil mitigation for the most part. Spiw did the duplex, triplex, flechette thing back in I think the 60s.
They're fixing the plastic fouling by alternating with jacketed regular ammo. The conventional bullet sort of blasts the fouling out. This will work great, till this sketchy ammo creates a barrel obstruction in a full auto platform!
The dispersion might actually get you a hit if your aim is a little off. And there might be 5 or more guys firing at the drone at once. I'd give it a try if I didn't have anything else. If American or British soldiers had come up with this everyone would be saying it was a brilliant improvisation.
its good in the sense that it eliminates the need to carry around a random shotgun and 12ga ammo, but if it cant hit targets at greater range (100+ yards) then it really only acts as a bandaid on a much larger issue. Will be good for FPV drones.
Такое мнение исключительно из за навязываемой западными СМИ,принадлежащими евреям,русофобии.Когда русских выставляют тупыми алкоголиками.А потом,когда огребают за свою русофобию,неприятно удивляются.Некоторые в момент подыхания.Что только стоит поход крестоносцев на Русь,когда этих рогатых идиотов заманили на лёд озера,где они провалились и безславно подохли
To be realistic, if the weapons even function well with this makeshift ammo, it is an ultra short range shotgun, firing seriously bad patterns, with almost no pellets to populate the patterns... As an analogy, if you fired 00 buckshot at birds at 100 yards, you would almost NEVER hit anything, even rapid firing the entire magazine. The odd, random, rare hit WOULD be devastating. But shotgunning is a numbers game, relying on good patterns, sufficient velocity, enough pellets, of the minimum size, etc. This rifle ammo, while interesting, has almost none of what it takes to be a high percentage life and death solution to the drone threat. A full auto PPsH full of 100% tracer would be better.
They exist, I assume you know that. It's the .366 TKM, created to allow for Russian civilians to own Kalashnikov and SKS pattern firearms when they only have their shotgun license. Since the weapons are smoothbore, they are technically classified as shotguns.
I'm sure there is a lot of "smoothbore" aka barrel shot the hell out . That rifeling won't survive tens of thousands of rounds and I'm sure there is weapons out there with a lot more then that through em 😂
@@MarkPereira-jz4ct Only if the weapon was picked up by someone else. If we measure the average meat wave member's life expectancy in rounds fired by them, it's probably only in the tens of rounds at most.
It's all about the camera angles.. a rifle and a floppy woppy round wouldn't function reliably and we don't actually see the target impacts nor do we see shreds of colored plastic confetti
all that matters is that the length of the new cartridge matches and length of the original metal projectile, with sturdy enough binding around those ball bearings its as stiff and sturdy as the real thing, so theoretically you should not have any feeding issues, but however it may bring up alot more issues that doesnt have to do with feeding such as increased barrel ware
Видимо так как делают солдаты,более улудшиный приносит результат,чем мушкет пиратский😂😂😂,дай бог им вернуться всем живым,и не покалеченным,дроны приносят огромные проблемы,отдельная война,отдельное противодействие.
The issue at this time isn't really whether or not technologies exist to counter drones but rather you need technologies that can be carried by the individual rifleman on the ground. If you have like ten seconds to react to an incoming FPV drone or similar threat you don't really have the luxury of just getting out your stinger or similar sized implement to destroy drones. Counter-drone optics like the Israeli SMASH are a step in the right direction but still need a lot of work and economies of scale to make them economically viable.
@@matteusvirtanen392 home made double barrel pipe shotguns could be effective (if older sawed off double barrel shotguns are not available ) multiple barrel Pipe shotguns should be economically viable simple low component and cheap
@@Ginga-Ninja Shotguns themselves are a kind of a halfway solution at best. You don't really want to carry around multiple weapons and if you are in a defensive position you can probably do better. Even beyond that shotguns don't really have great interception rates for these drones and totally rely on the operator being a great shot and predicting the movements of the drone. Systems like SMASH or airbursting under barrel grenade launchers etc. have a lot more promise but again the price becomes an issue. Even if we went for a shotgun you would be far better off going for a semi-automatic or a fully automatic shotgun than some dual barreled hunting shotgun since the only factor that really matters is pure volume of fire since the expectations of accuracy are very low.
The underbarrel shotguns always seemed nice to me. No messing around with different ammunition in your main weapon, just have a separate attachement underneath. If im not mistaken, there is a semiautomatic underbarrel shotgun as well. M26 Mass? Something like that.
Yeah, having to deal with two different ammo types seems annoying, especially in the heat of battle. An under barrel shotgun or something small like a serbu shorty seems more ideal imho.
wouldn't have near the range and are very difficult to aim, also in general they are a terrible idea that makes guns very front heavy and heavier in general. there is a reason for all the attempts they never took off, they are incredibly impractical.
@@John-mf6ky if you were going to pack a special weapon, why take a super shorty, which would lack the range and power to effectively do the job? they are more portable, but lack basically every feature to be useful for the task.
Honestly in Ukraine the summer and spring rain and mud season is what bogs down soldiers movement. Now that there is way more soldiers on the frontline than there were prior were probably going to see more maneuvers on the frozen ground
If that's the future, maybe we should come back to flechette rounds for smoothbore barrels, since those ball bearings will destroy the rifle barrel anyway...
Он и так изнашивается с каждым выстрелом.Автоматы СССР/России способны работать до 7000 выстрелов,Калашникова из других стран до 5000 выстрелов.Тоесть на войне автомат и так приходит в негодность за год
@RAGOR-c8x It's gonna be closer to 20,000 and that's woth lose of accuracy. Gun will still work. Unless a rifle is used for training many guns are damaged or lost before they are shot out
Looks to me like they're not loading with hardened bearing balls. There wouldn't really be much reason to do so anyways, since cheap lead shot would likely perform better with the extra density. My main concern is feed issues and fouling.
I find it really cool how crafty people can get before proper technology catches up to threats. Improvisation is one of the coolest skills humans have.
Something tells me these will be put into serious production if proven. I don’t think the fouling could be that bad considering 5.45x39 blanks are made with PVC.
Armies around the world are going to have to either develop a new rifle ammunition to dispatch drones or change military doctrine to include elite squads of trap/skeet shooters armed with drum or belt-fed fully automatic shotguns to blast incoming drones from the sky. Either way, this is bound to get really interesting. EDIT: Quick, someone send this to Taofledemaus, Brandon Herrera or Kentucky Ballistics!
It's going to be a drone arms race with drones of all sorts and anti drone drones of ever increasing capabilty. It's really quite scary where this technology could take us. Imagine dropping a few hundred thousand anti personnel mini drones on an area from a cargo aircraft and they us AI to act as a co ordinated swarm and seek out and kill everyone they are programmed to.
Problem is needing a safe place to control the drones from while protecting your troops, while also having a high enough resolution camera and fast enough video transfer rate to make aerial combat effective
The 5.45x39 ammunition Russia currently uses has a copper-washed, steel jacket, so I don't see how firing copper-washed steel BBs would cause any additional wear beyond what is already caused by the standard ammunition.
Your main issue is plastic buildup from multiple firings. That'll get pushed ahead of the next solid round, forming an annular wedge in front of the projectile and causing a spike in chamber pressure that even the AK was not built for. Hence alternating rounds.
its way smaller and there are severl of them i see it fucking up the rifling though to be honest i think the way they are stacked you are getting more speed than out of a shotgun if you had to cover a large area of space with shots this wuld be a much better way to do it than that underbarrel thing untill you clog up the gas port in the barrel with the plastic
Because a rifle round engages the rifling and smoothly glides down the barrel whereas these are probably bouncing around in there fucking up the rifling
@dementedbowine8681 The steel ones aren't ideal. The lead ones much better. They'll also be doing roughly twice the speed of typical shotgun shot. Somewhat erratically, as they'll also be squashed.
I'm amazed these feed through the rifles as well as they do! Can't wait for American TH-camrs to test this out and we can see exactly how effective they might be!
Reloader here… That’s some hillbilly engineering. The lower weight of the air gun 4.5mm copper washed BB’s and the blow by of electrical shrink tube is keeping the rifle from blowing up. Cheers!
Yeah, the workshop scale stuff is using lead. It won't be long until someone sets up a crude injection moulding press that stomps out a more suitable load from better materials, factory loading into a waterproof case. Credit to the AK design for functioning.
A pre-scored plastic bullet with bird shot would work, kinda. The weight is too low to be ideal for drone work. As a kid, we loaded 8 bb’s in a crossman 760 and pumped it 10 times. It made a good short range shotgun. It did a number on doves close in. The best way to deal with drone threats are radio signal jamming and shotguns with large shell capacity. I would use a AK based 12 gauge shotgun with 10 round magazines. I can’t remember the name of the company, there was a 12 gauge shell loaded with steel cubes, that had sharp corners. That round would be ideal for drones. Cheers!
@@VikOlliverfor real, I was thinking the whole time, there’s no way these cycle, there’s no way. Big fan of the reliability and ruggedness of the AK platform, I’ve been really debating on gas or piston for my first assault rifle, and I think I’ve got my answer.
One benefit of alternating conventional ammo with "buckshot" is the improvised round may feed more reliably from either the right or the left. With alternating ammo you can reliably always feed the unusual round from one side.
@@Sockem1223 yeah but no semi gun will cycle if it doesn’t have enough back pressure from the round. Gas port could be the size of a dime but it’s not gonna cycle with a blank. Can’t imagine the little bb’s really weigh that much but I could be wrong
0:36 I find that really funny. Russia is using chain-shot to fight drones (chain-shot being a form of ammunition in old sail ships used to target masts)
@jackcavendish8900 Dude what? Damascus is occupied. Members of Assad's family were hanged in public last night. Russia and Iran have withdrawn support of Assad's government. Unless Assad has the power of time travel or the entire world suddenly wants to help him, it's over. Jolani is shitting in Assad's toilet, literally as we speak. Russians are evacuating from the last two bases friendly to the Assad regime in Jablah and Nuri al Qarnayn, hell Jablah might even be empty already. What are you even trying to reference lmao, it's over. Assad lost.
Drones are a pretty big hobby especially when covid was going on, when this war started using them I honestly though how scary these things are because if your not paying attention these come at you so quick and quiet its almost too late to react.
Про загрязнение газоотвода могу сказать так: это АК, давление в газоотводе в 5 раз больше чем в АРке, и там всë свободно, конечно газоотвод забьëтся, но это произойдëт не через 40 выстрелов, а больше 100, не меньше. Имею опыт обращения с гражданским АК, Сайга 410, ствол 415 мм, в котором отверстие газоотвода 5 мм и пластиковый пыж пули срезается немного и втягивается в газоотвод, откуда я его через 10 магазинов вычищаю.
I believe that these should have significant merit. Lead will not cause additional wear on riffling. Plastic and lead will not cause a barrel obstruction, but will cause fowling. Depends on the plastic but cleaning may be challenging to remove it. Firing a FMJ round in a fowled barrel hardens and bakes the residual plastic making it more difficult to remove, requiring solvents and bronze brush scrubbing. You’d never get if off with patching. Sabot rifle, shotgun rounds leave plastic and I’ve seen this.
jesus, how effective do you think snake shot in a 9mm or 45 be when dealing with drones? itd have to be super close but i feel like with all those videos of the fpv drones look on the casualtys face before hitting them id carry a sidearm full for a last ditch defense.
@@terrencepayne1371 If you're close enough for the 'dust' shot in handgun snake shot rounds to possibly be effective against a drone, you're more than close enough to hit it with actual bullets. We are talking an effective range in feet, not yards. In fact, if you have a semi-auto, snake shot almost definitely wouldn't cycle, and would therefore be virtually useless for last-ditch drone defense even if the shot was somehow effective.
Интересный автоматный патрон со стальными шариками для пневматики,такой не видел еще.Я снаряжал патроны 12го калибра,20 штук картечи 6.5мм сверлил каждую и продевал в них толстую леску.При выстреле бывало заряд спутывается и летит пучком,но если раскрывается то можно дрон сбить даже метров на 70))
I build ammo for .177 pellet rifles like this. I use coffee filters for paper because its thinner, make a shell & put 6-8 birdshot in. Cut a coin off the end of a cigarette butt and pinch some fiber off to squish into the shell. Crimp the open end/tip by rolling it in your fingers. Shockingly similar just different tech (break barrel vs a literal AK)
Excellent video! Using hardened ball bearing type projecticles cannot be good for the gun barrel. However, necessity is the mother of invention, eh?-John in Texas
The amount of effort that goes into the development of these cartridges by regular soldiers shows how much they fear FPV drones. And every grunt - no matter which uniform he wears - who saw the videos of the soldiers being hunted down by these drones cannot but agree. And it's just a matter of time when we see drones picking their targets fully automatically and I'm more than glad I'm way out of the drafting age by then...
7:48 That makes sense. CMMG's manual for the AR-15 .22LR conversion kit says that "firing the 5.56x45 mm cartridge will fully clean any residual .22LR lead fouling from the gas tube and gas port". If it can clean lead, it can also clean polymer from heat shrinks or whatever is used.
Such a light load to get it in a magazine and also feed right. Yoy can easily cast lead and solder between 2 clamped boards, btw. Just drill where they meet together, any diameter you want if you have wire drills. Use pine or something soft.
@debbiegilmour6171 We'll see I guess. The grouping seemed a little suss too imo considering the range and being the equivalent of smooth bore projectiles...
@@m2hmghb TBF, I made a rough estimation in my initial comment. But a speed for the ball bearings can be calculated quite easily. We can assume that the plastic will be deformed enough to create an effective gas seal in the barrel, so we can stop worrying about gas blow by too. 4.5mm steel BBs have a weight of around 0.35g. Seven of them equals a mass of 2.45g. The mass of a typical 5.45×39 mm bullet is around 3.50g. These give us muzzle energies of about 1,400J. We can assume that all the propeller's energy is transferred to the projectile package as it is in the case of a normal 5.45 mm bullet. Rearranging the kinetic energy equation in terms of velocity gives us v = √(2×E/m) which is 1,069 m/s, or 3,510 fps. Actually calculating the deceleration of a projectile due to drag (especially a supersonic one) is actually not a trivial matter and involves maths which I'd have to reference in textbooks that I don't have access to and would have to solve using numerical methods with a computer anyway. Therefore, I think it's a fairly reasonable assumption to assume around 300-400 m/s of velocity lost over about 20 m. Small steel ball bearings doing 700 m/s is easily enough to perforate the thin steel sheets from the demonstration and definitely enough to shatter the fragile plastic casings of these drones, thereby knocking them out of the sky.
@robertmueller6979 That would be ideal for anti drone. I wonder if the steel balls trying to displace each other would tear up the rifling super fast and ruin the barrel for normal ammo.
@@lililililililili8667 The problem is that the rifling scatters any loose load in a huge pattern anywhere from 5 to 10 feet wide within feet of the muzzle. That goes for all rifled firearms shooting shot including shotguns. That why most fowling guns are smooth bore shotguns. Rifling scatters shot everywhere and you can't hit a dang thing. Do that with only a very few projectiles and the chances of hitting anything directly in front of you rapidly reach zero. A lower number of projectiles is much worse. In this case, with rifling and a horrendously low shot count, the projected hit rate is zero right from the start. It's physics; you can't beat it and they actually have shot formulas if you are interested. Additionally your projectiles need weight to carry enough energy to actually damage your target. With such small balls titanium, heavier than lead, is your only solution. Steel is a joke and will just bounce off the frame. If they get lucky they might directly hit the fuse or disrupt a prop. Doubtful though.
Who is really enjoying this war is the bloggers. There is no video without big and undeletаble watermark of some blogger. They are fighting for exclusive videos
The telegram channels always throw one on. Many are the original uploaders so it makes sense for the original source. What I find annoying is people putting watermarks on content that isn't theirs. C'est la guerre.
If they extended the neck of the cartridge case stacking jacketed wadcutter type projectiles might be possible. duplex and triplex loads in straight wall cases have been a real thing for years.
Can't extent the neck of the case without reaming the chamber, if you are going to make a gun that can only shoot these rounds might as well use a better one such as a 12 ga. shotgun that can send a lot more shot down range.
You know what they say about education over brute strength? Well with "bookshot" in your AK you can have both. 😂 (hopefully I'm not the only one who keeps hearing "bookshot" with this guys accent when he says buckshot 😅)
9:48 I see that he's got his Baofeng UV-25 radio in the background there. It's a decent radio for the price (i own one) but if that's what I had to rely on in combat, I'd be pretty upset... Nothing but the best.
I think long term infantry shooting down FPV drones won't be viable, today we are seeing commercial quadcopters that are pretty slow but in a few years I think purpose built fixed wing drones will be more common and much faster.
We already have inexpensive fast versions of both that are cheaper than a single round of artillery's what makes these quadcopters more desirable is that they can change direction pretty quick while being quiet. I live in a area where drones where a big 2020 hobby and when the war started using these drones, I honestly though how terrifying it must be for both sides because you really don't hear them in most environments, especially a battlefield.
@@Upsidedownzack бесшумно? Дрон не бесшумный. Да, коптер наблюдатель может быть на большом расстоянии. Но если речь о сбросах, то такой уже можно услышать. А если это FPV камикадзе, несущий несколько кг взрывчатки, то он визжит как ведьма. Слышно очень хорошо. Другое дело, что не всегда есть время для реакции. И попасть в дрон сложно.
@@Zordeos I guess I didn't think about the stress from a good size payload making it noisy. I made that comment based on my own experiences with FPVs speed and lack of noticeable noise until its near
OK, formally, air rifle BB's are NOT ball bearings or "buckshot". They really are BB size "shot". Buckshot starts at about .24 caliber If these BBs start out near 3,000fps (which is very possible), they might retain useful velocity to 100 yards. Realistically, a single carefully placed shot might keep 3 pellets on a target the size of a house's front door at that distance. On a good day. Need to see testing!
I don't feel like looking deep into this but if they replicate the weight of the original bullet and the plastic works to transfer the spin of the rifling to every projectile. These should have incredible range, velocity and accuracy unlike a shotgun. Similar to how a rifled muzzleloader firing a patched ball has much greater range than an unstabilized ball. Each of these balls should still be spun by the rifling. As for plastic fouling in the barrel. It's pretty much a non issue. Plastic fouling is easier to remove than any other. It beats the hell out copper and lead fouling.
Accurate but misleading. *BB* lead shot is .180" and air rifles are .177" (4.5mm) ...in addition, the Crosman "Copperhead" BB's aren't *lead shot* -- they are copper-plated steel ball bearings!
@@PhilMcRack-u7v on anything but an AK, you'd be right. On the AK, it's feed geometry is in-line with the chamber. The feed ramp is very "flat" so to speak. This means the plastic crimps never hit the feed ramps, it just slots into the chamber.
Former co-worker of mine used to be stationed on a US sub sometime before 2018. Some of the guys on the sub including himself were given the task of brainstorming some concepts to counter civilian drones observing the subs operations while in port. He came up with the idea of having a falcon on board that was trained to fly around and hunt drones. They ended up not going with his idea but I feel like anti-drone falcons are seeming more viable each and every day.
I am personally developing several things here in America. As far as cost effective and easily implemented in the field. You can buy small nylon BB's. With a small piece of PVC you can make a small cannon using an electric lighter. Think in terms of potato guns but a 1000 BB like a claymore. You're welcome. This system can be black powder powered, nitrocellulose or even hairspray. If used sonething with more energy use caat iron with the long bic lighters with electric ignitor
Future Olympics: drone shooting competitive sport where you take turns in operating an fpv drone with a paintball grenade to hit your opponent and shooting one with a military 12 gauge shotgun. The winner is decided by the amount of paint in opponents critical hit areas.
3:00 What's supposed to seperate the bb's? Wouldn't they just fly together still wrapped up? It's not like a shotgun shell, where the bb's are sittin' loose inside. Or would the shot blow em apart?
during covid i couldnt find any buckshot for sale, so i took birdshot shells, emptied them. and replaced the shot with those 1.77 call bbs. kind of as a home defense round. They work alright but only at close range. After that expirence i am dubious at how effective those bbs would work against a drone. and the range. i think the heavier lead buckshot might have a better chance but the steel bb gun ammo is just too light in my opinion. not to mention how itll effect the gun.wouldnt be supised if it damages more guns than not. i am a hand loader in .223 and 9mm... i can just imagine the pressure that is generating with the wire covers and balls. love to see an actual demo at 25 yards and see the pattern and if it is effective
It undoubtedly has the chance of essentially rattling and rolling down the barrel and with steel bbs I imagine it’s HELL for commie carbon steel barrels. That metallurgy is sound but based on fairly old principles and tradition
ever seen how frail drone props are? this isn't flesh and bone we need to pierce, a singe interception is more than enough to take out a drone, the hard part is saturating the airspace enough to clip the thing, you really don't need much energy to break a prop, if the drone is moving the rotor above hovering speed just getting a steel ball in the way shatters the blade. similar for the support beams and cables, a weak support throws off the ballance and a shorted wire disabled the whole propeller!
this is actually pretty genious, i actually see how these rounds could be easily put on an automatic assembly line to be produced, drone combat gonna end as quickly as it started
Дистанция выстрела слишком маленькая. Так что проблема решена не будет. А если дрон производит сбросы с высоты 50 метров, то поможет только полноценное гладкоствольное ружьё.
@@Zordeos yes indeed, but from a height of 50 meters, personnel with have enough time to run, or other conditions will give most drones accuracy problems. And of course, no problem is always fully solved, but this is a pretty good solution
Good idea short term but better solutions are definitely needed. The rifling will indeed get gummed up & may even get damaged. Maybe they could make themselves some inprovised "T shirt cannons" like they did with the AR platform. Basically a blunderbuss.
assuming they get it to feed into the chamber, all that will happen is plastic and unburnt powder will get blasted out of the barrel followed by fairly slow bb's, being that there is no effective gas seal around the projectiles.
Practical war developments I'm higly certain that we will see this developed further Improvents to the bullet design to be more reliable and less taxing on the rifle as well as higher fire rates from the rifle will probably follow
shotgun shells need volume, thats why most common cartridges are very large diameter (12g, 10g, smallest usually is 20g) and thats why .410 are kinda trash, they are too small and dont hold a lot of projectiles
@lefunnyN1 I guess it makes up with fire rate and versatility Not carrying a whole seperate gun or having to specialise people with shotguns or having to attach a underslung shotgun would save weight nor having to spend the time to add a shotgun muzzle attachment instead being able to quickly swap a mag which soldiers are already trained to do quickly and under pressure And at the end of the day a anti-drone mag would kill a guy all the same
@@bromine_35 they are loading 17 cal pellets, into those shells and there is only a couple pellets in each one, the spread pattern will be very inconsistent and terminal balistics will also be terrible, again .410 shells are very similar in its flaws, but at least 410 have more volume to load them
This is pretty interesting. I know that they’re working with what they have and it is impressive. I’m sure it’s easier than acquiring different weapons systems. But it seems like it would be better especially with the trench warfare to have a designated shotgunner in each squad using something like #4 buckshot for both trench engagements as well as drone dispatching. There’s a lot of inexpensive but decently solid Turkish semi autos, the old tried and true Mossberg 500/590, Remington 870 pumps, and clones out there that are widely available.
Yes, but an extra gun to carry? This solution probably beats it in the eyes of most soldiers. Especially since it gives you a bona fide 12Ga buckshot load every three ir two of those jury-rigged rounds loaded
Devils advocate... I come from a reloading background, here me out: Looks cool but I don't buy it. All the "testing" is vague and you can't even tell what ammunition they are actually shooting. The way they are pulling the projectiles out of the cartridge is really messing with the case mouth, and they don't seem to be neck sizing it back which will make chambering not easy. You would need a serious crimp around the case mouth to keep the stack of wrapped bbs in place for feeding and recoil in the magazine. The plastic sabot is going to clog the gas system up and cause overpressure if any piece is left in the bore. The weight of 6-7 bb's is barely 40 grains so you would need a hotter powder charge to be comparable to 7n6. I doubt there is much of a gas seal, there would have to be a proper oversized wad underneath all of these bbs to act as a gas check in order to cycle. There would be less recoil with these rounds due to the weight, in the video it looks like they are firing standard ammo. Also if you get 1 steel bb in your barrel and you let off a normal fmj you are going to have a bad time. I'm sure people are making and shooting these, but it just seems like propaganda to me that these are in any way effective.
Bingo. Notice the one thing they left out was a video of them patterning. The ONE thing that could prove or disprove effectiveness. Also, the vid of the guy using the shows the “crimp” briefly and there’s no way that thing is chambering.
You think soldiers on the front line have time to post propaganda lol? Russian soldiers couldn't care less what Americans on the other side of the world think about them
An armourer and reloader here. The kitchen bench BB stuff is borderline functional at best. The workshop is using lead and look like they understand reloading better. With the sleeve it'll be around 50-60 grains which is right for a 5.45 cal. There will be significant shot deformation and what leaves the barrel will be more of a disintegrating laminated wad. We can clearly see excess powder burning in the demos. Water ingress and reliable feed would be my concerns, and that will be fixed with injection moulded projectiles properly loaded.
The biggest thing overlooked here is the durability and simplicity of ak rifle feeding mechanism, these types of round mods would more than likely not work with ar platform
Recent Ukrainian drone footage has shown at least one crew member on vehicles armed with a 12 gauge Saiga shotgun. Not very effective as the drones apparently reach their targets in spite of the Saiga
the thing is drones are flying faster than birds these are very high speeds 50+mph which is above the average speed of a bird. which means you have to lead it more and you have less reaction time and it will be flying very fast once its in its "attack run" that even if you could disable it it still could explode near you. its just not very feasible to shoot one down unless you have a little bit of luck and skill there are many videos of soldiers shooting at drones coming head on at them and they miss or get panicked after one or two shots and try to get away
@@Red_Star_robin а зачем показывать неудачные атаки? чтобы снять такое видео у бойца должна быть включенная камера. большинству солдат не до этого во время штурма, а во время обороны тем более
@@Vovastik170 -via google translate “why show unsuccessful attacks? To shoot such a video, the fighter must have his camera turned on. most soldiers have no time for this during an assault, and even more so during a defense” there are often multiple drones recording strikes on both sides. that and recorded footage from the drone itself. Some are unsuccessful attacks in regard to no injury’s / not disabling men and vehicles Many also have GoPros rolling during combat operations either on the defense or offense many of these record close calls or hits where the person tries to shoot it down and misses I do get it I’m sure many misses never get posted after all they don’t show any success The whole point I’m trying to make is that’s it is hard to shoot these things down. many want to compare it to skeet/trap shooting or bird hunting. But a fpv drone is not a bird it doesn’t move like one more like a bee or insect in the way they can move about the ones that hover high up may be able to get taken down easy since they have to remain stationary in order to drop their payloads When hunting a bird their is no fear maybe some adrenaline if it’s your first couple times. you don’t flinch you don’t feel the need to run from the bird it’s not life and death. If you miss the bird does not swoop down on you it keeps flying in usually the same direction
I feel like I missed the part where they can't get their hands on actual shotguns. They have 12 gauge ammo but can't get their hands on some cheap Turkish semi autos?
Russia have some of the best shotguns like Vepr or Saiga, but amount of them needed on front is too high and it's also hard to carry 2 weapons at the same time.
Maybe its because I don't know shit about AKs, but seeing those improvised rounds in that magazine is setting off red flags. I think expecting all of those to feed correctly is asking a lot to go right.
They'll feed if they don't get too warm outside the breech. Of course, a factory one would be hot-moulded from a suitable plastic with a decent base. Bet you that's in the works somewhere.
Hell yeah. 3.7mm pellet, a couple of birdshot pellets, another bigger pellet, etc. all in heat shrink double sleeve. What could be simpler than that...
Every few years they haul that solution looking for a problem out. Jungle war? desert war? drone war? there's always some reason it's gonna sell this time lol
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If Russia really wants to make money, they'd make scaled- up "silicone replicas" of what these look like and advertise them to "lonely" people. Given that loneliness can apparently drive people to enact martial law, it'd also be the first time the Russian government worked to promote democracy in a while.
It's because YT is pro Ukraine. Anything showing support or information about how Russia can actually get these drones, is usually a no go as you see yourself.
The modification of the step by step is absolutely against youtube guidelines. At one point, you couldn't show removing a suppressor. You can show the finished, but not tell them a parts list or the manufacture of it
YT's rules are so fucking stupid!
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Multiple projectiles in a single rifle cartridge?
Welcome back Advanced Combat Rifle program.
An ancient evil has awakened
Your thinking of Spiw. ACR program was looking for a new individual weapon system. They tried super fast burst modes and recoil mitigation for the most part.
Spiw did the duplex, triplex, flechette thing back in I think the 60s.
@@OmnonymousThe Colt ACR used 5.56 duplex ammunition.
History is a flat circle
Nope. That was usually duplex to imitate a burst on a single target. This is a shotgun cartridge.
Soldiers do what they have to, I do believe plastic fouling would be a big issue. But being dead would be worse.
They're fixing the plastic fouling by alternating with jacketed regular ammo. The conventional bullet sort of blasts the fouling out.
This will work great, till this sketchy ammo creates a barrel obstruction in a full auto platform!
Plastic fouling can't be an issue if you're dead!
@@Messerschmitt_BF_109G_10 I figure a burst barrel in an AK would just take off fingers, is all. Might not even blind the shooter.
Never mind the fouling; ball bearings are extremely hard. Goodbye rifling. But I guess you don't need an accurate rifle if you're dead.
That heat shrink can be pretty usefull
The dispersion might actually get you a hit if your aim is a little off. And there might be 5 or more guys firing at the drone at once. I'd give it a try if I didn't have anything else. If American or British soldiers had come up with this everyone would be saying it was a brilliant improvisation.
not necessarily, the british/american systems that dont work very well get Blasted by the firearms community and enginnering so idk what u mean
its good in the sense that it eliminates the need to carry around a random shotgun and 12ga ammo, but if it cant hit targets at greater range (100+ yards) then it really only acts as a bandaid on a much larger issue. Will be good for FPV drones.
@ Agreed
Такое мнение исключительно из за навязываемой западными СМИ,принадлежащими евреям,русофобии.Когда русских выставляют тупыми алкоголиками.А потом,когда огребают за свою русофобию,неприятно удивляются.Некоторые в момент подыхания.Что только стоит поход крестоносцев на Русь,когда этих рогатых идиотов заманили на лёд озера,где они провалились и безславно подохли
To be realistic, if the weapons even function well with this makeshift ammo, it is an ultra short range shotgun, firing seriously bad patterns, with almost no pellets to populate the patterns...
As an analogy, if you fired 00 buckshot at birds at 100 yards, you would almost NEVER hit anything, even rapid firing the entire magazine. The odd, random, rare hit WOULD be devastating. But shotgunning is a numbers game, relying on good patterns, sufficient velocity, enough pellets, of the minimum size, etc.
This rifle ammo, while interesting, has almost none of what it takes to be a high percentage life and death solution to the drone threat.
A full auto PPsH full of 100% tracer would be better.
Full auto airsoft is now implemented in actual warfare.
Thats "airhard" since those are metal balls fired with powder, but yes similarities are absurdly close.
You meant full auto shotgun
“No full auto in the building!”
😅
this is full auto!
Smooth bore 7.62x39 AK’s just entered the chat. 😂
Right! Yet they are using 5.45 apparently 🤔
They exist, I assume you know that. It's the .366 TKM, created to allow for Russian civilians to own Kalashnikov and SKS pattern firearms when they only have their shotgun license. Since the weapons are smoothbore, they are technically classified as shotguns.
@@mobilegamersunite and GIGN uses 7.62 lol guess everyone just uses what they prefer to use
I'm sure there is a lot of "smoothbore" aka barrel shot the hell out . That rifeling won't survive tens of thousands of rounds and I'm sure there is weapons out there with a lot more then that through em 😂
@@MarkPereira-jz4ct Only if the weapon was picked up by someone else. If we measure the average meat wave member's life expectancy in rounds fired by them, it's probably only in the tens of rounds at most.
Main Battle rifle?
>AK
SMG?
>AK
Machine Gun?
>AK
Sniper?
>AK
Anti Drone?
>AK
+Anti Aircraft
@@reyzhehal 4 parallel ak
Hotel?
> TriVaGo!
and
Wait till Russian use bigger bollet as anti material gun from AK base
No way in hell do these feed reliably from a magazine
6:40 how in the hell
Ak's, man.
lmao i was having the same thought then
damn that is crazy
You obviously never heard of AKs
It's all about the camera angles.. a rifle and a floppy woppy round wouldn't function reliably and we don't actually see the target impacts nor do we see shreds of colored plastic confetti
all that matters is that the length of the new cartridge matches and length of the original metal projectile, with sturdy enough binding around those ball bearings its as stiff and sturdy as the real thing, so theoretically you should not have any feeding issues, but however it may bring up alot more issues that doesnt have to do with feeding such as increased barrel ware
Who would have thought buck and ball would come back!
I was thinking the same.
Full circle
Just buck, no ball's.
My thoughts exactly 😂
@@frank-mp3bq Blew them off to get medevac'd
Make a pirate blunderbuss
Filled with anything.
It would be based af to shoot down a drone with blackpowder gun
Rocks, ball bearings, bolts, hex nuts, acorns ohhh how the list goes on
@@floopydoopy9410 Don't forget a Pirate's favourite: Broken Glass.
they made it in 40's, called kakashnikov)))
Видимо так как делают солдаты,более улудшиный приносит результат,чем мушкет пиратский😂😂😂,дай бог им вернуться всем живым,и не покалеченным,дроны приносят огромные проблемы,отдельная война,отдельное противодействие.
bro had the blue scav jacket
haha good eye man.
Bro stay off the game 😂😂😂
lol
Where?
@@firelion98 9:48
DIY puntguns might be a good way to counter drone swarms.
The issue at this time isn't really whether or not technologies exist to counter drones but rather you need technologies that can be carried by the individual rifleman on the ground. If you have like ten seconds to react to an incoming FPV drone or similar threat you don't really have the luxury of just getting out your stinger or similar sized implement to destroy drones. Counter-drone optics like the Israeli SMASH are a step in the right direction but still need a lot of work and economies of scale to make them economically viable.
@@matteusvirtanen392 home made double barrel pipe shotguns could be effective (if older sawed off double barrel shotguns are not available ) multiple barrel Pipe shotguns should be economically viable simple low component and cheap
@@Ginga-Ninja Shotguns themselves are a kind of a halfway solution at best. You don't really want to carry around multiple weapons and if you are in a defensive position you can probably do better. Even beyond that shotguns don't really have great interception rates for these drones and totally rely on the operator being a great shot and predicting the movements of the drone. Systems like SMASH or airbursting under barrel grenade launchers etc. have a lot more promise but again the price becomes an issue. Even if we went for a shotgun you would be far better off going for a semi-automatic or a fully automatic shotgun than some dual barreled hunting shotgun since the only factor that really matters is pure volume of fire since the expectations of accuracy are very low.
@@matteusvirtanen392 Nice! When did you get back? Are you still there?
LOL
The underbarrel shotguns always seemed nice to me. No messing around with different ammunition in your main weapon, just have a separate attachement underneath. If im not mistaken, there is a semiautomatic underbarrel shotgun as well. M26 Mass? Something like that.
Yeah, having to deal with two different ammo types seems annoying, especially in the heat of battle. An under barrel shotgun or something small like a serbu shorty seems more ideal imho.
M26 is pump action, not semi auto
wouldn't have near the range and are very difficult to aim, also in general they are a terrible idea that makes guns very front heavy and heavier in general. there is a reason for all the attempts they never took off, they are incredibly impractical.
@@John-mf6ky if you were going to pack a special weapon, why take a super shorty, which would lack the range and power to effectively do the job? they are more portable, but lack basically every feature to be useful for the task.
@@sinisterthoughts2896because shot shells reach close to peak velocity no matter if you have a 6" barrel or a 36" barrel.
I feel like we're gonna see a lot of weird improvisations over the next few months as the weather bogs down soldiers movement
Honestly in Ukraine the summer and spring rain and mud season is what bogs down soldiers movement. Now that there is way more soldiers on the frontline than there were prior were probably going to see more maneuvers on the frozen ground
cold weather might cause problems from the drones honestly. those batteries dont perform well under freezing.
If that's the future, maybe we should come back to flechette rounds for smoothbore barrels, since those ball bearings will destroy the rifle barrel anyway...
Он и так изнашивается с каждым выстрелом.Автоматы СССР/России способны работать до 7000 выстрелов,Калашникова из других стран до 5000 выстрелов.Тоесть на войне автомат и так приходит в негодность за год
The barrel is hardened steel, it will be fine (its the explosion and possible corossive salts in the powder that damage barrels, even in normal use)
@RAGOR-c8x It's gonna be closer to 20,000 and that's woth lose of accuracy. Gun will still work.
Unless a rifle is used for training many guns are damaged or lost before they are shot out
Los cañones están cromados por dentro@@ryanpeck3377
Looks to me like they're not loading with hardened bearing balls. There wouldn't really be much reason to do so anyways, since cheap lead shot would likely perform better with the extra density. My main concern is feed issues and fouling.
I find it really cool how crafty people can get before proper technology catches up to threats.
Improvisation is one of the coolest skills humans have.
Undoubtedly, knowing that not improvising could result in death or bodily injury helps a lot.
No doubt man!
Soldiers always come out with some really ingenious things in the field, especially when they have the down time.
drones fly super unpredictibly so I think an automated solution is better, like active protection on a tank
@@alf3071 That's what jammers are for, APS stuff is only gonna be good for wire guided drones.
Something tells me these will be put into serious production if proven. I don’t think the fouling could be that bad considering 5.45x39 blanks are made with PVC.
not really. it's huge pain in ass when you need to supply hundreds of of thousands of people
@@dsheshinnot necessarily. this kind of process is very easily automated, and improvements are likely possible to reduce barrel fouling.
Armies around the world are going to have to either develop a new rifle ammunition to dispatch drones or change military doctrine to include elite squads of trap/skeet shooters armed with drum or belt-fed fully automatic shotguns to blast incoming drones from the sky.
Either way, this is bound to get really interesting.
EDIT: Quick, someone send this to Taofledemaus, Brandon Herrera or Kentucky Ballistics!
It's going to be a drone arms race with drones of all sorts and anti drone drones of ever increasing capabilty. It's really quite scary where this technology could take us. Imagine dropping a few hundred thousand anti personnel mini drones on an area from a cargo aircraft and they us AI to act as a co ordinated swarm and seek out and kill everyone they are programmed to.
You know it's like really easy to arm drones with buckshot too. Drone on drone warfare and gunned drones will be very interesting to see develop.
Problem is needing a safe place to control the drones from while protecting your troops, while also having a high enough resolution camera and fast enough video transfer rate to make aerial combat effective
@@lordhellfire153 problem is needing a man-portable drone that won't immediately fall apart from the recoil of a buckshot round.
@@gfmustard that too
Bucksot has recoil , airsoft gun are way to goon drones.
I don't think the individual soldier in the trench on the frontline gonna worry to much if the riflebarrel survives, but if he survives.
This can be seen with mosins from WW2, they all have counter bored barrels from probably shooting with a barrel full of mud and snow
Necessity is the mother of ingenuity. War is HELL
The 5.45x39 ammunition Russia currently uses has a copper-washed, steel jacket, so I don't see how firing copper-washed steel BBs would cause any additional wear beyond what is already caused by the standard ammunition.
Not to mention those are for BB guns who have even cheaper barrels. They're a very mild steel.
Your main issue is plastic buildup from multiple firings. That'll get pushed ahead of the next solid round, forming an annular wedge in front of the projectile and causing a spike in chamber pressure that even the AK was not built for. Hence alternating rounds.
its way smaller and there are severl of them i see it fucking up the rifling though to be honest i think the way they are stacked you are getting more speed than out of a shotgun if you had to cover a large area of space with shots this wuld be a much better way to do it than that underbarrel thing untill you clog up the gas port in the barrel with the plastic
Because a rifle round engages the rifling and smoothly glides down the barrel whereas these are probably bouncing around in there fucking up the rifling
@dementedbowine8681 The steel ones aren't ideal. The lead ones much better. They'll also be doing roughly twice the speed of typical shotgun shot. Somewhat erratically, as they'll also be squashed.
Soldiers do what they have to do to survive. This is some neat improvisation.
Great video, ironic how every major power deals in arms business but an informative video from independant creators get demonetized.
Thanks for your support, much appreciated!!
I'm amazed these feed through the rifles as well as they do! Can't wait for American TH-camrs to test this out and we can see exactly how effective they might be!
Reloader here… That’s some hillbilly engineering. The lower weight of the air gun 4.5mm copper washed BB’s and the blow by of electrical shrink tube is keeping the rifle from blowing up.
Cheers!
except these are hillbilly muskets by now.
Yeah, the workshop scale stuff is using lead. It won't be long until someone sets up a crude injection moulding press that stomps out a more suitable load from better materials, factory loading into a waterproof case. Credit to the AK design for functioning.
A pre-scored plastic bullet with bird shot would work, kinda. The weight is too low to be ideal for drone work. As a kid, we loaded 8 bb’s in a crossman 760 and pumped it 10 times. It made a good short range shotgun. It did a number on doves close in. The best way to deal with drone threats are radio signal jamming and shotguns with large shell capacity. I would use a AK based 12 gauge shotgun with 10 round magazines.
I can’t remember the name of the company, there was a 12 gauge shell loaded with steel cubes, that had sharp corners. That round would be ideal for drones.
Cheers!
@@GlockamoleG17 The more serious lead ones pack more momentum, and I can guarantee they won't be spherical when they leave the barrel!
@@VikOlliverfor real, I was thinking the whole time, there’s no way these cycle, there’s no way. Big fan of the reliability and ruggedness of the AK platform, I’ve been really debating on gas or piston for my first assault rifle, and I think I’ve got my answer.
One benefit of alternating conventional ammo with "buckshot" is the improvised round may feed more reliably from either the right or the left. With alternating ammo you can reliably always feed the unusual round from one side.
Really surprised it cycles. Until it showed the guy demonstrating it at 7:10 I assumed it would have to be manually racked.
Same
gas operated. AK is especially overgassed to make up for variance and poor quality ammo
@@Sockem1223 yeah but no semi gun will cycle if it doesn’t have enough back pressure from the round. Gas port could be the size of a dime but it’s not gonna cycle with a blank. Can’t imagine the little bb’s really weigh that much but I could be wrong
0:36 I find that really funny. Russia is using chain-shot to fight drones (chain-shot being a form of ammunition in old sail ships used to target masts)
insert if it works meme
☝️🤓 akchually its cannister shot
@@joemama.556 ☝🤓akchualy it's chain-shot and cannister shot is basically a lighter version of grape shot
that's not chain shot, it's basically micro grape shot, or arguably cannister shot.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 The photo at the beginning of the video shows chain shot, although weirdly, it's not commented on by the narrator.
The last time I was this early, Bashar wasn't wishing he had stayed an eye doctor.
It’s soooo over for him this time, this is just like that bit in Harry Potter
@jackcavendish8900 Dude what? Damascus is occupied. Members of Assad's family were hanged in public last night. Russia and Iran have withdrawn support of Assad's government. Unless Assad has the power of time travel or the entire world suddenly wants to help him, it's over. Jolani is shitting in Assad's toilet, literally as we speak. Russians are evacuating from the last two bases friendly to the Assad regime in Jablah and Nuri al Qarnayn, hell Jablah might even be empty already.
What are you even trying to reference lmao, it's over. Assad lost.
Ha, got ‘em.
wasn't he a dentist?
@@giogio51592 No, opthamologist.
Drones are a pretty big hobby especially when covid was going on, when this war started using them I honestly though how scary these things are because if your not paying attention these come at you so quick and quiet its almost too late to react.
Exactly.
Про загрязнение газоотвода могу сказать так: это АК, давление в газоотводе в 5 раз больше чем в АРке, и там всë свободно, конечно газоотвод забьëтся, но это произойдëт не через 40 выстрелов, а больше 100, не меньше.
Имею опыт обращения с гражданским АК, Сайга 410, ствол 415 мм, в котором отверстие газоотвода 5 мм и пластиковый пыж пули срезается немного и втягивается в газоотвод, откуда я его через 10 магазинов вычищаю.
Ак стреляет без крышки газоотвода. Можно просто его убрать если надоест чистить
@@МаксимКузнецов-г7п и получать газами в лицо
5:10 A match made in heaven with the AN-94 😂
most mechanically complex rifle and ammo made from balls bearings on a kitchen. Romeo and Juliet of our time.
Oh fuck yeah!
This is actually brilliant. For all the doubters, this is far far better than getting “blown up” by a drone.
I believe that these should have significant merit. Lead will not cause additional wear on riffling. Plastic and lead will not cause a barrel obstruction, but will cause fowling. Depends on the plastic but cleaning may be challenging to remove it.
Firing a FMJ round in a fowled barrel hardens and bakes the residual plastic making it more difficult to remove, requiring solvents and bronze brush scrubbing. You’d never get if off with patching.
Sabot rifle, shotgun rounds leave plastic and I’ve seen this.
Mild steel brushes work better to remove the hardened fouling. There is one called the tornado brush that basically cuts the fouling out.
I agree Pete. But I don't think that the guys creating these rounds could care less about the maintenance of their rifles.
i got second hand saiga from someone there is little small spots on rifling.tried to remove it cleaning no luck.what is it ? how do i remove it ?
Necessity is the mother of invention.
However this russian "snekalka" , not invention. So it won't work
@@tetispinkman9135 "Smekalka". A invention mindset, I would say.
Is there anything an ak can’t do ? As horrible as everything is it’s still fascinating that Kalashnikov design this like 70 yr ago
it can't do this, this is bs
Remember when all laughed at tank cages, now every country installs them. These snake rounds will soon be a standard issue in every conflict zone.
In the states this is called snake shot. I have some for my 38spl
Much, much bigger than snake shot.
jesus, how effective do you think snake shot in a 9mm or 45 be when dealing with drones? itd have to be super close but i feel like with all those videos of the fpv drones look on the casualtys face before hitting them id carry a sidearm full for a last ditch defense.
@@terrencepayne1371 If you're close enough for the 'dust' shot in handgun snake shot rounds to possibly be effective against a drone, you're more than close enough to hit it with actual bullets. We are talking an effective range in feet, not yards. In fact, if you have a semi-auto, snake shot almost definitely wouldn't cycle, and would therefore be virtually useless for last-ditch drone defense even if the shot was somehow effective.
Bird Shot
@@jic1 wonder what a big bore revolver with snake shot would be like against a drone? Probably still terrible range though.
Fellas, you thinkin what im thinkin?? The GLORIOUS return of the _Blunderbuss!?_
Crossman is loving this
Интересный автоматный патрон со стальными шариками для пневматики,такой не видел еще.Я снаряжал патроны 12го калибра,20 штук картечи 6.5мм сверлил каждую и продевал в них толстую леску.При выстреле бывало заряд спутывается и летит пучком,но если раскрывается то можно дрон сбить даже метров на 70))
I build ammo for .177 pellet rifles like this.
I use coffee filters for paper because its thinner, make a shell & put 6-8 birdshot in. Cut a coin off the end of a cigarette butt and pinch some fiber off to squish into the shell. Crimp the open end/tip by rolling it in your fingers.
Shockingly similar just different tech (break barrel vs a literal AK)
Excellent video! Using hardened ball bearing type projecticles cannot be good for the gun barrel. However, necessity is the mother of invention, eh?-John in Texas
.177 BB ammo isn't hardened.
The amount of effort that goes into the development of these cartridges by regular soldiers shows how much they fear FPV drones. And every grunt - no matter which uniform he wears - who saw the videos of the soldiers being hunted down by these drones cannot but agree.
And it's just a matter of time when we see drones picking their targets fully automatically and I'm more than glad I'm way out of the drafting age by then...
I cant imagine these feeding well out of a magazine (or flying in a straight line when fired)
Literally had a demo of it in the video.
When shit hits the fan, anything goes.
I feel like the whole point of the round itself was to not fly completely straight lol
Buddy. They aren't supposed to fly in a straight line ideally
@@jintsuubest9331
But did we?
7:48
That makes sense. CMMG's manual for the AR-15 .22LR conversion kit says that "firing the 5.56x45 mm cartridge will fully clean any residual .22LR
lead fouling from the gas tube and gas port". If it can clean lead, it can also clean polymer from heat shrinks or whatever is used.
Such a light load to get it in a magazine and also feed right.
Yoy can easily cast lead and solder between 2 clamped boards, btw. Just drill where they meet together, any diameter you want if you have wire drills. Use pine or something soft.
The elysium ak-47 is becoming REALer everyday and im all up for it IT JUST NEEDS that laser rangefinder thing and its cook
I would be interested to see some confirmed testing. The holes in that target did not look believable for 4.5mm BBs...
They are made of steel though, and they'd each be going over 700 metres per second. That's easily enough to perforate thin steel sheet.
@debbiegilmour6171 We'll see I guess. The grouping seemed a little suss too imo considering the range and being the equivalent of smooth bore projectiles...
@@debbiegilmour6171 steel shot slows down, like it's wearing a parachute :(
@@debbiegilmour6171 You don't know the speed. There will be gas blow by in the barrel.
@@m2hmghb TBF, I made a rough estimation in my initial comment. But a speed for the ball bearings can be calculated quite easily.
We can assume that the plastic will be deformed enough to create an effective gas seal in the barrel, so we can stop worrying about gas blow by too.
4.5mm steel BBs have a weight of around 0.35g. Seven of them equals a mass of 2.45g.
The mass of a typical 5.45×39 mm bullet is around 3.50g. These give us muzzle energies of about 1,400J.
We can assume that all the propeller's energy is transferred to the projectile package as it is in the case of a normal 5.45 mm bullet.
Rearranging the kinetic energy equation in terms of velocity gives us v = √(2×E/m) which is 1,069 m/s, or 3,510 fps.
Actually calculating the deceleration of a projectile due to drag (especially a supersonic one) is actually not a trivial matter and involves maths which I'd have to reference in textbooks that I don't have access to and would have to solve using numerical methods with a computer anyway. Therefore, I think it's a fairly reasonable assumption to assume around 300-400 m/s of velocity lost over about 20 m. Small steel ball bearings doing 700 m/s is easily enough to perforate the thin steel sheets from the demonstration and definitely enough to shatter the fragile plastic casings of these drones, thereby knocking them out of the sky.
9x39 buckshot would be insane.
They probably stay clumped together like a cut shell I would like to see a better test of the dispersion.
Funny they would leave that part out, eh? The one thing that could prove or disprove effectiveness.
I wonder why….
@@choccolocco lol... you and I know why. The rifling spun that little packet to pieces....
@robertmueller6979 That would be ideal for anti drone. I wonder if the steel balls trying to displace each other would tear up the rifling super fast and ruin the barrel for normal ammo.
@@lililililililili8667 The problem is that the rifling scatters any loose load in a huge pattern anywhere from 5 to 10 feet wide within feet of the muzzle. That goes for all rifled firearms shooting shot including shotguns. That why most fowling guns are smooth bore shotguns. Rifling scatters shot everywhere and you can't hit a dang thing. Do that with only a very few projectiles and the chances of hitting anything directly in front of you rapidly reach zero. A lower number of projectiles is much worse. In this case, with rifling and a horrendously low shot count, the projected hit rate is zero right from the start. It's physics; you can't beat it and they actually have shot formulas if you are interested. Additionally your projectiles need weight to carry enough energy to actually damage your target. With such small balls titanium, heavier than lead, is your only solution. Steel is a joke and will just bounce off the frame. If they get lucky they might directly hit the fuse or disrupt a prop. Doubtful though.
Who is really enjoying this war is the bloggers.
There is no video without big and undeletаble watermark of some blogger. They are fighting for exclusive videos
The telegram channels always throw one on. Many are the original uploaders so it makes sense for the original source. What I find annoying is people putting watermarks on content that isn't theirs. C'est la guerre.
If they extended the neck of the cartridge case stacking jacketed wadcutter type projectiles might be possible. duplex and triplex loads in straight wall cases have been a real thing for years.
Can't extent the neck of the case without reaming the chamber, if you are going to make a gun that can only shoot these rounds might as well use a better one such as a 12 ga. shotgun that can send a lot more shot down range.
You know what they say about education over brute strength? Well with "bookshot" in your AK you can have both. 😂 (hopefully I'm not the only one who keeps hearing "bookshot" with this guys accent when he says buckshot 😅)
9:48 I see that he's got his Baofeng UV-25 radio in the background there. It's a decent radio for the price (i own one) but if that's what I had to rely on in combat, I'd be pretty upset... Nothing but the best.
Looks like he is in a police uniform
Thank you very much..... Very smart and ingenious use of on hand materials to combat drone threats... VERY COOL.... LOVE IT....😊😊😊
I think long term infantry shooting down FPV drones won't be viable, today we are seeing commercial quadcopters that are pretty slow but in a few years I think purpose built fixed wing drones will be more common and much faster.
We already have inexpensive fast versions of both that are cheaper than a single round of artillery's what makes these quadcopters more desirable is that they can change direction pretty quick while being quiet. I live in a area where drones where a big 2020 hobby and when the war started using these drones, I honestly though how terrifying it must be for both sides because you really don't hear them in most environments, especially a battlefield.
Perhaps in the future drones will have to be dealt with AA weapons just like airplanes were before the 1950s
@@gamerbg294 theoretically speaking, you could make a sized down version of the Metal Storm, and have the artillery entirely controlled by a computer.
@@Upsidedownzack бесшумно? Дрон не бесшумный. Да, коптер наблюдатель может быть на большом расстоянии. Но если речь о сбросах, то такой уже можно услышать. А если это FPV камикадзе, несущий несколько кг взрывчатки, то он визжит как ведьма. Слышно очень хорошо.
Другое дело, что не всегда есть время для реакции. И попасть в дрон сложно.
@@Zordeos I guess I didn't think about the stress from a good size payload making it noisy. I made that comment based on my own experiences with FPVs speed and lack of noticeable noise until its near
Good video format. Well done.
Thanks, lots like it on the channel if you haven't checked them out.
OK, formally, air rifle BB's are NOT ball bearings or "buckshot". They really are BB size "shot". Buckshot starts at about .24 caliber
If these BBs start out near 3,000fps (which is very possible), they might retain useful velocity to 100 yards. Realistically, a single carefully placed shot might keep 3 pellets on a target the size of a house's front door at that distance. On a good day.
Need to see testing!
Source: trust me bro
I don't feel like looking deep into this but if they replicate the weight of the original bullet and the plastic works to transfer the spin of the rifling to every projectile. These should have incredible range, velocity and accuracy unlike a shotgun.
Similar to how a rifled muzzleloader firing a patched ball has much greater range than an unstabilized ball. Each of these balls should still be spun by the rifling.
As for plastic fouling in the barrel. It's pretty much a non issue. Plastic fouling is easier to remove than any other. It beats the hell out copper and lead fouling.
Accurate but misleading. *BB* lead shot is .180" and air rifles are .177" (4.5mm) ...in addition, the Crosman "Copperhead" BB's aren't *lead shot* -- they are copper-plated steel ball bearings!
@@TristanMorrow three thousandths? Do U even know what the tolerances are on shot? It's +/- one entire size!
@@TristanMorrow They are NOT "ball bearings". That is simply untrue.
Writing "Rolls Royce" on a Kia with a sharpie, doesn't make it one.
Eastern Europeans are very resourceful. My father in law is Romanian and his ability to fix things with dirt, spit and random garbage is amazing.
Wonder how reliable air cannons with nets set around the trenches etc would work as a backup etc
Your pronunciation of "bookshot" makes me smile
Rat shot but slightly bigger pellets
This is by far the most interesting non-drone related tech development from this war.
Shocked that this cycles
Certainly seems to make more sense than that single shot adapter nonsense
I bet these feed like shit from a mag
@@PhilMcRack-u7v on anything but an AK, you'd be right.
On the AK, it's feed geometry is in-line with the chamber. The feed ramp is very "flat" so to speak. This means the plastic crimps never hit the feed ramps, it just slots into the chamber.
@@PhilMcRack-u7v blud didn't even watch the video
And what was on the video? One magazine shot. And it's your proof it will never jam?@@iota515
I certainly don't believe every video I see on the internet lol
Former co-worker of mine used to be stationed on a US sub sometime before 2018. Some of the guys on the sub including himself were given the task of brainstorming some concepts to counter civilian drones observing the subs operations while in port. He came up with the idea of having a falcon on board that was trained to fly around and hunt drones. They ended up not going with his idea but I feel like anti-drone falcons are seeming more viable each and every day.
Several countries already have raptors trained to take down drones. But they are generally effective only against video drones, not FPV
I wonder how many times they had to fly the drone over before he hit it?
I am personally developing several things here in America. As far as cost effective and easily implemented in the field. You can buy small nylon BB's. With a small piece of PVC you can make a small cannon using an electric lighter. Think in terms of potato guns but a 1000 BB like a claymore. You're welcome. This system can be black powder powered, nitrocellulose or even hairspray. If used sonething with more energy use caat iron with the long bic lighters with electric ignitor
Crossman makes BB and pellet guns. Those are not ball bearings, they are BB’s.
What do you think BB stands for?
BB stands for ball bearing lol...... 'Pellet' guns shoot conical rounds.
@@alexeytsybyshev9459 Benazir Bhutto, the former Pakistani prime minister, nickname BB
@@alexeytsybyshev9459 The difference is ball bearings are typically hardened - bbs are not because of how mild the steel in the barrels is.
Future Olympics: drone shooting competitive sport where you take turns in operating an fpv drone with a paintball grenade to hit your opponent and shooting one with a military 12 gauge shotgun. The winner is decided by the amount of paint in opponents critical hit areas.
Russian ingenuity never fails to impress me.
3:00 What's supposed to seperate the bb's? Wouldn't they just fly together still wrapped up? It's not like a shotgun shell, where the bb's are sittin' loose inside. Or would the shot blow em apart?
I think the theory is the process of being fired and projected melts up the plastic and frees the BBs. In practice, not so sure.
The BB rounds probably have a different result every time the gun is shot
during covid i couldnt find any buckshot for sale, so i took birdshot shells, emptied them. and replaced the shot with those 1.77 call bbs. kind of as a home defense round. They work alright but only at close range. After that expirence i am dubious at how effective those bbs would work against a drone. and the range. i think the heavier lead buckshot might have a better chance but the steel bb gun ammo is just too light in my opinion. not to mention how itll effect the gun.wouldnt be supised if it damages more guns than not. i am a hand loader in .223 and 9mm... i can just imagine the pressure that is generating with the wire covers and balls. love to see an actual demo at 25 yards and see the pattern and if it is effective
It undoubtedly has the chance of essentially rattling and rolling down the barrel and with steel bbs I imagine it’s HELL for commie carbon steel barrels. That metallurgy is sound but based on fairly old principles and tradition
ever seen how frail drone props are? this isn't flesh and bone we need to pierce, a singe interception is more than enough to take out a drone, the hard part is saturating the airspace enough to clip the thing, you really don't need much energy to break a prop, if the drone is moving the rotor above hovering speed just getting a steel ball in the way shatters the blade. similar for the support beams and cables, a weak support throws off the ballance and a shorted wire disabled the whole propeller!
how to mess up your rifling 101
@arandomvisitor6878 Right !
this is actually pretty genious, i actually see how these rounds could be easily put on an automatic assembly line to be produced, drone combat gonna end as quickly as it started
Дистанция выстрела слишком маленькая. Так что проблема решена не будет.
А если дрон производит сбросы с высоты 50 метров, то поможет только полноценное гладкоствольное ружьё.
This isnt gonna end drone useage ever.
@@fennoman9241 haters gonna hate
@@Zordeos yes indeed, but from a height of 50 meters, personnel with have enough time to run, or other conditions will give most drones accuracy problems. And of course, no problem is always fully solved, but this is a pretty good solution
@@Mah_guy its just a fact
I, for one, completely believe these cycle all the time, every time 👍
Good idea short term but better solutions are definitely needed. The rifling will indeed get gummed up & may even get damaged. Maybe they could make themselves some inprovised "T shirt cannons" like they did with the AR platform. Basically a blunderbuss.
no way those rounds feed from a magazine
assuming they get it to feed into the chamber, all that will happen is plastic and unburnt powder will get blasted out of the barrel followed by fairly slow bb's, being that there is no effective gas seal around the projectiles.
If it cycles they're coming out fast enough to hit a drone
Practical war developments
I'm higly certain that we will see this developed further
Improvents to the bullet design to be more reliable and less taxing on the rifle as well as higher fire rates from the rifle will probably follow
shotgun shells need volume, thats why most common cartridges are very large diameter (12g, 10g, smallest usually is 20g)
and thats why .410 are kinda trash, they are too small and dont hold a lot of projectiles
@lefunnyN1 I guess it makes up with fire rate and versatility
Not carrying a whole seperate gun or having to specialise people with shotguns or having to attach a underslung shotgun would save weight nor having to spend the time to add a shotgun muzzle attachment instead being able to quickly swap a mag which soldiers are already trained to do quickly and under pressure
And at the end of the day a anti-drone mag would kill a guy all the same
@@bromine_35 they are loading 17 cal pellets, into those shells and there is only a couple pellets in each one, the spread pattern will be very inconsistent and terminal balistics will also be terrible, again .410 shells are very similar in its flaws, but at least 410 have more volume to load them
@@bromine_35 btw saiga used to make a little ak style 410 shotgun
This is pretty interesting. I know that they’re working with what they have and it is impressive. I’m sure it’s easier than acquiring different weapons systems. But it seems like it would be better especially with the trench warfare to have a designated shotgunner in each squad using something like #4 buckshot for both trench engagements as well as drone dispatching. There’s a lot of inexpensive but decently solid Turkish semi autos, the old tried and true Mossberg 500/590, Remington 870 pumps, and clones out there that are widely available.
human creativity is amazing
Yes, but russians steal the idea from Ukrainians.
20 yards is all they will need with the majority of the size explosive charges in fpv drones. So yes, it is in fact effective.
I feel like that is going to destroy the rifling of the barrel.
I am sure the soldiers getting FPV'd are happy that at least the rifling on their busted old AK-74 didn't get degraded in the engagement
Better to have a shot out barrel than casualties. It's not like these guys need sub MOA groups either lol..
I cant wait for a certain thumb channel to conceive this ammo in practice
The batshit insane shotgun ammo channel, to the rescue!!
Didn't they already have an AK shotgun the saiga 12?
Low availability and questionable reliability
@@NiSE_Rafter And expensive AF.
Yes, but an extra gun to carry? This solution probably beats it in the eyes of most soldiers.
Especially since it gives you a bona fide 12Ga buckshot load every three ir two of those jury-rigged rounds loaded
Just a point of correction, the Crosman pellets aren't "ball bearings" but ammunition for air rifles.
What the hell do you think BB stands for SMH
Devils advocate...
I come from a reloading background, here me out:
Looks cool but I don't buy it. All the "testing" is vague and you can't even tell what ammunition they are actually shooting.
The way they are pulling the projectiles out of the cartridge is really messing with the case mouth, and they don't seem to be neck sizing it back which will make chambering not easy.
You would need a serious crimp around the case mouth to keep the stack of wrapped bbs in place for feeding and recoil in the magazine.
The plastic sabot is going to clog the gas system up and cause overpressure if any piece is left in the bore.
The weight of 6-7 bb's is barely 40 grains so you would need a hotter powder charge to be comparable to 7n6. I doubt there is much of a gas seal, there would have to be a proper oversized wad underneath all of these bbs to act as a gas check in order to cycle.
There would be less recoil with these rounds due to the weight, in the video it looks like they are firing standard ammo.
Also if you get 1 steel bb in your barrel and you let off a normal fmj you are going to have a bad time.
I'm sure people are making and shooting these, but it just seems like propaganda to me that these are in any way effective.
Bingo. Notice the one thing they left out was a video of them patterning. The ONE thing that could prove or disprove effectiveness.
Also, the vid of the guy using the shows the “crimp” briefly and there’s no way that thing is chambering.
You think soldiers on the front line have time to post propaganda lol? Russian soldiers couldn't care less what Americans on the other side of the world think about them
thank you, people sadly don't get this
An armourer and reloader here. The kitchen bench BB stuff is borderline functional at best. The workshop is using lead and look like they understand reloading better. With the sleeve it'll be around 50-60 grains which is right for a 5.45 cal. There will be significant shot deformation and what leaves the barrel will be more of a disintegrating laminated wad. We can clearly see excess powder burning in the demos. Water ingress and reliable feed would be my concerns, and that will be fixed with injection moulded projectiles properly loaded.
@@VikOlliver I agree. Factory produced/designed rounds could be made effective, It's a cool concept.
The biggest thing overlooked here is the durability and simplicity of ak rifle feeding mechanism, these types of round mods would more than likely not work with ar platform
Recent Ukrainian drone footage has shown at least one crew member on vehicles armed with a 12 gauge Saiga shotgun. Not very effective as the drones apparently reach their targets in spite of the Saiga
fool of you thinking also they show failed drone Attacks😂
thanks for the audio description
the thing is drones are flying faster than birds these are very high speeds 50+mph which is above the average speed of a bird. which means you have to lead it more and you have less reaction time and it will be flying very fast once its in its "attack run" that even if you could disable it it still could explode near you.
its just not very feasible to shoot one down unless you have a little bit of luck and skill there are many videos of soldiers shooting at drones coming head on at them and they miss or get panicked after one or two shots and try to get away
There are tons of videos of soldiers shooting them down from both sides
@ yes but not many when you compare the videos of fpv drones hitting their targets
Isn't hard to hit a 50mph dove when it is flying straight for the tree you're sitting under.
@@Red_Star_robin а зачем показывать неудачные атаки? чтобы снять такое видео у бойца должна быть включенная камера. большинству солдат не до этого во время штурма, а во время обороны тем более
@@Vovastik170 -via google translate “why show unsuccessful attacks? To shoot such a video, the fighter must have his camera turned on. most soldiers have no time for this during an assault, and even more so during a defense”
there are often multiple drones recording strikes on both sides.
that and recorded footage from the drone itself. Some are unsuccessful attacks in regard to no injury’s / not disabling men and vehicles
Many also have GoPros rolling during combat operations either on the defense or offense many of these record close calls or hits where the person tries to shoot it down and misses
I do get it I’m sure many misses never get posted after all they don’t show any success
The whole point I’m trying to make is that’s it is hard to shoot these things down.
many want to compare it to skeet/trap shooting or bird hunting. But a fpv drone is not a bird it doesn’t move like one more like a bee or insect in the way they can move about
the ones that hover high up may be able to get taken down easy since they have to remain stationary in order to drop their payloads
When hunting a bird their is no fear maybe some adrenaline if it’s your first couple times. you don’t flinch you don’t feel the need to run from the bird it’s not life and death. If you miss the bird does not swoop down on you it keeps flying in usually the same direction
This has demo ranch written all over it. We need to see if it works reliably and if its wears the gun and how long and how bad. Lets go MAT!
I feel like I missed the part where they can't get their hands on actual shotguns. They have 12 gauge ammo but can't get their hands on some cheap Turkish semi autos?
Probably pretty hard to try to order a shotgun and get it delivered to an active war zone
Russia have some of the best shotguns like Vepr or Saiga, but amount of them needed on front is too high and it's also hard to carry 2 weapons at the same time.
Having dealt with a lot of cheapo Turkish shotguns, I wouldn't take one into combat.
что легче - носить дополнительное ружье и автомат - или автомат и пару специальных магазинов ?
@@77advanced well... 1 or 2 shotguns per squad i suppose. but yes still lots of shotguns
"Bookshot cartridges" lol, can't really blame the british accent too much, the video is excellent
Thanks
Maybe its because I don't know shit about AKs, but seeing those improvised rounds in that magazine is setting off red flags. I think expecting all of those to feed correctly is asking a lot to go right.
Remember that most loads operating g on the cartridge during loading operate on the casing, not the projectile.
They'll feed if they don't get too warm outside the breech. Of course, a factory one would be hot-moulded from a suitable plastic with a decent base. Bet you that's in the works somewhere.
There's been bird shot and snake shot in handgun rounds for generations, this should be off the shelf ammo.
Hell yeah. 3.7mm pellet, a couple of birdshot pellets, another bigger pellet, etc. all in heat shrink double sleeve. What could be simpler than that...
AA-12 is starting to look real good right now.
Every few years they haul that solution looking for a problem out. Jungle war? desert war? drone war? there's always some reason it's gonna sell this time lol
I imagine these would be pretty brutal when used in trench warfare, too...
At the scale they're already producing it it's certainly effective, I'd think the tungsten bearings will quickly fuck up the rifling though