Malaysia PM Anwar on France court ruling granting $14-B to Sulu heirs over lease violations |ANC
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Since the begining the tausug was favour to malaysia and fighting against filipino government...but how long the tausug discriminated in sabah and malaysia will not even give a malaysian citizenship to the tausug people until now thats why the tausug change minds and favouring the filipino government
May be Sabah has own federal state.of Sabah..
Sabah philippines
😂 philipine please ur country dirty , not organize .. sabah is better than ur manila city please dont claim hahahha
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
@@hopelope1703cry harder terrorist importer.
The french court has already settled this disputed matter.
@@hopelope1703 you are wrong baby
@@itsjustMEemsni4771 Ha ha ha ha. Why not you just rebut my comment with facts and references. NOT HEARSAY.
I just uploaded my latest video with historical evidences proving Sabah was ceded by the Sultan of Brunei to the Sultan of Sulu in 17th century.
Ask them back that wher is your papers to prove that the brunei or sulu ceded sabah to you.
It's irrelevant. Now the people of sabah chose to be with malaysia. Not Philipines.
@@John-us9rm the subject in international law is the state sovereignty not the peoples...
@@John-us9rm if i give candies to your children then i claim as my kids of just because they likes me...how do you feel?
@@dilinglintasan652 now state is govern by democracy. No more monarchy. They are cheated by the British. Too bad. Not only they. Many monarchy lost their sovereign too. Some have their heads chop off. So live with it. Even philipine now recognised malaysia right in sabah.
He trying to be diplomatic because the interviewer is a filipino. His not saying philippines or sultan of sulu owns sabah but he saying that he will not compromise the assets of Malaysia. Yet he still not say that sabah is Malaysia.
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
He said it's about Malaysia sovereignty. How much more clear than claiming sovereignty.
@@fghn5639 huh?you see malaysia captured kiram army bring them to malaysia court and kiram run away after they raided and kill malaysia army police etc..thats was malaysia soverignty..
Of course u can't proclaim if u're not the owner...at their age of PM he knew Sabah belongs to the Philippines
@@hopelope1703 no matter what..sulu have written evidence lease of contracts... Malaysia paying a lease to sulu from 1963-2013... plus the letter of director general to sulu sultanate... that Malaysia willing to continue the lease contract.. in 1958 bnbc demand a court resolution for the next sulu heirs as requirements for the continues of lease contracts... the problems is Malaysian doesn't have any evidence to proved of ownership.. doesn't have any evidence that Brunei ceded Sabah to British govt... Malaysia evidence is a written history of Malaysian historian without realable proof.. history without realable proof are story... court needed realable evidence not written story... Malaysia do not have the guts to face the problems... avoiding the problems is for longing the agony... Malaysian leaders doesn't have a back bone to face the problems... they don't have a solid sulutions to the problems...
Wikileaks document from Manila to a few organisation like CIA, Pakistan Intelligence and Saudi Arabia shows that one of the Sulu claimant, Fuad Kiram was a supporter of the 2013 attackers.
(C) Self-proclaimed Sulu Sultan Fuad Kiram granted
Misuari the hereditary rank of "Datu" (Royal Prince) of the
Sultanate of Sulu and North Borneo (Sabah) at Misuari's
detention house on March 14. Kiram attended the March 18
MNLF Freedom Day Anniversary Celebration at Malik's then-camp
in Bitanag as guest of honor, where Malik called him the only
"true and legitimate" Sultan of Sulu and Sabah, according to
Kiram's chief advisor, Omar Kiram.
Misuari is one of the person responsible for the 2013 Lahad Datu attack which resulted in more than 70 deaths including 6 civilians and 10 Malaysian army personnel.
It is beneficial to both the people of Malaysia and the Philippines to settle the Sabah issue amicably as soon as possible. It had been going on for too long and it is not doing anybody any good. The friendship between the people of the Philippines and Malaysia could have gotten a lot farther by now if not for that kink in their relationship. The next generation of Filipinos and Malaysians deserve better friendly relations than this. Please, don't let this issue go unresolved for another generation.
Of course sabah choose malaysia..becsuse malaysia more 5x develop than PH
It's is about rent , you should pay the rent ph doesn't need sabah to be back to because it is bloody , but if you doesn't respect the un ruling there will a consequences
Tausug no deport...
correct
Frivolous claims? I don't think so. Why did you loose recently? More are coming.
Depolamtic stand and clear responded god willingness PMX10.
Sabah 🇵🇭 mabuhay
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
@@hopelope1703 Then why is Malaysia paying the lease of Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu?
@@j0gs796 What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment which is in Sulu possession did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
kepala bapak kau
how do you gain sovereignty on leased property?
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
@@hopelope1703 what did your Courts say?
@@hopelope1703 Noob Malaysian. Do you have internet on your country ? What the. 🤣🤣 International courts Says you need to Pay your Rentals and we wins and you need to return Sabah to Filipino in the name of Sultan .
@@maironmatuto4421 If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment which is in Sulu possession did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence. NOT HEARSAY!!!!
Sulu claim is based on the earlier judgement by the Madrid Court in 2019 (1) that acknowledged Dr Stampa as an appointed arbitrator, and he later granted “final arbitral awards” favouring Sulu with the sum of USD 14.92 billion dollars against Malaysia. This became the basis by Sulu to enforce the ruling for all their claims in other courts in France, Luxembourg, and Netherlands. But this do not hold water as on 29th June 2021 (2), Madrid Court retroactively invalidated Dr Stampa appointment, and nullified all his actions as a purported arbitrator. Later, the Spanish Constitutional Court on 2nd February 2023 (3) rejected the Sulu appeal to that annulment of Dr Stampa as an arbitrator.
On 12 July 2022 Malaysia obtained Suspension (Stay) Order from the Paris Court of Appeal to suspend Exequatur Order issued by Paris Court. A Stay Order obtained in the French Court of Appeal pending application to set aside an arbitration award in an arbitration proceeding also to be filed in the French Court. Sulu again challenged the court decision on Stay Order on 27/7/2022 and the hearing was done on 16/1/2023. Finally, Paris Court of Appeal decided on Tuesday (14/3/2023) that the challenge filed by the Sulu claimants was inadmissible and thus Sulu claimants’ bid to enforce in France the purported US$14.9bil (RM67.14bil) final award has been dismissed.
Thus, court cases in Luxembourg, and Netherlands that relate to Dr Stampa are also null and void. First case In Luxembourg, Sulu lost too and now they are making an appeal.
Malaysia registered to UN and international law. Teritori, Sovereign, Border, its obvious. Salam dari Sumatera.
Paris: On 12 July 2022 Malaysia obtained Suspension (Stay) Order from the Paris Court of Appeal to suspend Exequatur Order issued by Paris Court. A Stay Order obtained in the French Court of Appeal pending application to set aside an arbitration award in an arbitration proceeding also to be filed in the French Court. Sulu again challenged the court decision on Stay Order on 27/7/2022 and the hearing was done on 16/1/2023. Finally, Paris Court of Appeal had decided on Tuesday (14/3/2023) that the challenge filed by the Sulu claimants was inadmissible and thus Sulu claimants’ bid to enforce the purported US$14.9bil (RM67.14bil) final award has been dismissed. Before this, they lost court case in Spain on 2/2/2023. First case In Luxembourg they lost too and now they are making an appeal.
Sabah belongs to Philippines period!
Philipines belongs to husband robbers immoral female theif adulteres. Nation of illigitimate offsprings out of wedlock.
And that period has ended in the 19th century. Hahaha.
Stop lying PM Anwar! You are well aware that Sabah is a part of Sultanate of Sulu.
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
Sulu sultanate did not exist anymore & no one recognise them in the past & present.😂😂😂
sulu philippines claim sabah
On 25/5/2020, Dr Stampa brought the claim to be enforce to the Paris court based on the Final Award. If to strictly follow French Law of Arbitration 2011, Sulu MUST show the arbitral agreement or clause with Malaysia which is non-existence. However, on 12/7/2022, Stay Order was imposed by the Paris Court of Appeal. Sulu challenge the court decision, but the court decided on Tuesday (14/3/2023) that the appeal filed by the Sulu claimants was inadmissible and dismissed. Further, the Paris Court of Appeal on 6/6/2023 rules the arbitration court that ordered payment to the so-called Sulu heirs did not have jurisdiction in the case. The Paris Court of Appeal’s decision will likely cancel an award of about US$15 billion over territorial claims related to North Borneo (Sabah).
Sabah wasnt ceded but only leasing by Malaysia
@@ehjeibrat6100 Sulu/PH needs to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia. Firstly, Sulu needs to show undisputable proof that earlier, the Brunei Sultanate (original owner) gave North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of the 29/12/1877 agreement (consisting of 4 agreements) signed by the Brunei Sultanate that grants the whole of North Borneo to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and are kept at the National Archives in London. The word “grant” has been used, and it has never been challenged or protested by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into a British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946), and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia. Secondly, let's assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. The Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and the Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and the US relinquished North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. In the end, Sulu has nothing. Thirdly, after the second point above, PH claims North Borneo (Sabah) is null and void. For any colonized colony that seeks independence, the territory (sovereignty) is based on what has been given by their colonizer. In this regard, the principle of uti posseditis juris is applicable, acceptable, and recognized internationally. PH got their independence from the US in 1946 and under this principle, there is NO North Borneo. Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
@@ehjeibrat6100 There is a court case recorded by ICJ (International Court of Justice, The Hague) about the Philippines' claims on North Borneo. It is a special 37-page report by ICJ that was published in 2001 and is easily accessible from the ICJ official website. It was a trial within a trial in the main court case between Malaysia and Indonesia over the ownership of the islands of Sipadan and Ligitan in Sabah. Philippines which is not a party to the trial requested permission to intervene. To comply with Article 62 of the Statute of the Court, the Philippines stated the objectives for the intervention (Section 7 & 84) namely, to safeguard and preserve the Philippines' historical and legal rights over North Borneo and to inform the court of the effect or effect of the court outcomes on its claim to the territories. In the trial within a trial, Philippines lawyers explained their case especially the Sulu-Ovenbeck 1878 agreement (primal reference) and related information to the court (Section 44 & 83). The same 15 main court judges were sitting at the bench and Malaysian and Indonesian lawyers too were involved in this trial. On 23 October 2001, by a 14 to 1 vote, the court rejected the Philippine's request on the ground that there is “no interest of legal nature” (Section 93). (Meaning Sulu/PH claim on Sabah is null and void) Type the statement below and go to the official ICJ website (a 37-page report): INTIZRNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE REPORTS OF JUDGMENTS, ADVISORY OPINIONS AND ORDERS CASE CONCERNING SOVEREIGNTY OVER PULAU LIGITAN AND PULAU SIPADAN APPLICATION BY THE PHILIPPINES FOR PERMISSION TO INTERVENE JUDGMENT OF 23 OCTOBER 2001
it wasnt ceded u only leasing@@hopelope1703
Kalau yang di sebut nama suluk memang hilang dari sejerah tetapi di dalam sejerah itu adalah nama tausug bukan suluk, alasan bangsa ini di ubah supaya sejerah nya hilang tidak akan terkambali lagi
A deal with scammers will never be valid
i'd rather go in Bali,Singapore or Bangkok but not in Malaysia
kalau orang Sabah sendiri maunya gabung ke siapa? Malaysia atau Filipina?
Malaysia
Aku org sandakan sabah, teda sini yg mau gabung sama filipina 🤣 org pilak (pendtg dri filipina) pn nda mau bro. ada la segelintir yg mau sabah merdeka, tpi teda yg mau masuk filipina
Mas marami Malaysian sa Sabbah dahil inangkin nila ng mahabang panahon at hindi nagbabayad ng renta sa Sulu, and eventually ayaw na ibalik sa rightfull owner.
malaysia la ba
@@justanormalsponge1801 kau pun pendatang sial
Mr Ibrahim, base on history and legality.Sultanate of Sulu legally owned Sabah that up to 2013 from 1878 to 1936 the lesser is paying 5300 Mexican gold coins (143.1kg of gold yearly to the Sultanate of Sulu) or 500Million pesos now.When Malaysia took over the lease contract you are only paying the Sultanate of Sulu 70 thousand pesos yearly. Then your country even commited a breach of contract when you stop paying the due from 2013 to the present.How can you say that Malaysia still owned Sabah?
Sulu/PH need to resolve 2 legal aspects before making any claim on Sabah from Malaysia.
Firstly, Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate (original owner) give North Borneo (Sabah) to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to British North Borneo Company (BNBC). These agreements exist and keep in the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned North Borneo into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally British Parliament under the Malaysia Act 1963 incorporate it into Malaysia.
Secondly, let assume North Borneo belongs to Sulu. Sultanate of Sulu signed many agreements to relinquish his territories and dependencies (including North Borneo) to the colonizers. These include the Bases of Peace and Capitulation Agreement with Spain on 22/7/1878 and Carpenter Agreement on 22/3/1915 with the US. Later Spain and US relinquish North Borneo under the Madrid Protocol 1885 and Anglo-US Border Convention 1930 to the British respectively. At the end, Sulu has nothing.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
That is a false narrative created by the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs. North Borneo (Sabah) previously belonged to Brunei before they ceded the entire territory to the British under the 1877 agreement, in the agreement it clearly states that North Borneo will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). However the Sultan of Sulu came along and falsely claims that North Borneo belongs to them, and to avoid a possible war in the region the British enter the 1878 agreement with the Sulu Sultanate which states that Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo to the BNBC which was the original meaning of “pajak” and was agreed as such by both the British and the Sulu Sultan however the Sulu heirs of the now defunct Sulu Sultanate then twisted the original meaning and claims that the word pajak actually means “lease and rent”. The British then agreed to pay 5,000 Mexican gold coins annually to the Sultan of Sulu as cession money for North Borneo but the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs twisted the narrative yet again and claims that the payment is “rent money”.
sabah philippines
see in court , sulu Phillipines citizen
Malaysia should return Sabah to Philippines peacefully
sabah rich than ur manily city , sabahan also hate ur people
@@ziqmccaron2397 hahaha what are you talkin losssers remember Sabah is own by the sultan of sulu and sulu is a part of the Philippines, if Malaysian government don't give it will gives Big problem hahaha maybe your country will be like to Sri Lanka hahahah deal or no deal poor guy 🤣🤣🤣
Keep dreaming
They want war. B4 we take back sabah we need to wage war on malaysia.
Yes and pay the 15 Billion dollars.....
Latest news: Sulu claimants lost in arbitration court case in The Netherlands. Just type "Dutch court rules Sultan heirs cannot seize Malaysian assets" and you can check with Reuters.
THE HAGUE, June 27 (Reuters) - A Dutch court of appeal dismissed a bid by eight descendants of a former sultanate to enforce a $15-billion arbitration award they had won against the government of Malaysia, a judgment released on the court website Tuesday showed.
"The court dismisses the requests of the Filipino nationals" to demand to execute the arbitration award, the judgment said.
Last year, the Filipino heirs to the last Sultan of Sulu were awarded $14.9 billion by a Paris arbitration court in a long-running dispute with Malaysia over a colonial-era land deal. They have since sought to seize Malaysian government assets in France, Luxembourg and the Netherlands, in a bid to enforce the award.
how understanding naman ni karen. hahaha island with thousand of filipinos tangap na tangap talo agad. pero island with only military makikipagaway hahaha
haaaah! ano araw
Sulu claim is based on the earlier judgement by the Madrid Court in 2019 (1) that acknowledged Dr Stampa as an appointed arbitrator, and he later granted final arbitral awards favouring Sulu with the sum of USD 14.92 billion dollars against Malaysia. This became the basis by Sulu to enforce the ruling for all their claims in other courts such as in France, Luxembourg, and Netherlands. But this do not hold water as on 29th June 2021 (2), Madrid Court retroactively invalidated his appointment, and nullified all his actions as a purported arbitrator. Later the Spanish Constitutional Court on 2nd February 2023 (3) rejected the Sulu appeal to that annulment of Dr Stampa as an arbitrator. Thus, all court cases (including in France, Luxembourg, and Netherlands) that relate to Dr Stampa is null and void. Just like court case in Spain (thrice), the latest Sulu claim (2nd) at Luxembourg court will face the same fate. (References: Bloomberg & Reuter).
Furthermore, Petronas shares in the joint venture projects (company based in Luxembourg) in Azerbaijan already been sold to Lukoil (Russian oil company) in February 2022. What to seize?
If Sulu to open a new case, then they need to produce as evident the arbitration agreement or clause with Malaysia as a prerequisite to the trial. Do Sulu, have it?
Welcome the piarate..spain will give 10 trilion usa 101 trilion..malaysia
Only 50 cent
Mr copy paste😂😂😂😂
@@harbor2368 Ha ha ha ha. Same issue and to ensure consistency. Why not you rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
Bring to ICJ..yuocan get a lot of money after. Sipadan where is the fact. .beggar is always a beggar
Filipino citizens must be protected by its government, PBBM must act on their behalf. Malaysia and their greedy attitude
was the root of these troubles for the Sultanate. Actions by Malaysian government was appalling, first they stop paying.
Second, Paris court was wrong and had no clear understanding of the word Pajakan and other terms that was used to the
understanding. Even Malaysian does not understood those terms, the words and their meaning. Resorted to twisting the facts, words, the agreements, wordings, the narrative, so called false words and used their own words to their favor.
That is a false narrative created by the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs. North Borneo (Sabah) previously belonged to Brunei before they ceded the entire territory to the British under the 1877 agreement, in the agreement it clearly states that North Borneo will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). However the Sultan of Sulu came along and falsely claims that North Borneo belongs to them, and to avoid a possible war in the region the British enter the 1878 agreement with the Sulu Sultanate which states that Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo to the BNBC which was the original meaning of “pajak” and was agreed as such by both the British and the Sulu Sultan however the Sulu heirs of the now defunct Sulu Sultanate then twisted the original meaning and claims that the word pajak actually means “lease and rent”. The British then agreed to pay 5,000 Mexican gold coins annually to the Sultan of Sulu as cession money for North Borneo but the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs twisted the narrative yet again and claims that the payment is “rent money”.
@@themalaysianpatriot3099 You Malaysians will not stop creative narrative stories that never existed before. The story will never changed what was the arrangement before. Now you mentioned Mexican Gold that was never mentioned before. Whats next mother fakers of history? You can make another Lies.
Whats next Malaysians paid in barrels of oil, greedy liar?
Rent is a not and not as payment of ownership. Mor... on.
@@hisagony8094 If you say that then could you please show proof of debunk my points? So far what I’ve stated here still holds up as there is no proof of a rent and there is also no proof that Sulu previously owned Sabah. The fact that you don’t even know what the British use to pay the Sulu Sultanate already shows that you lack knowledge on the entire subject as a whole and therefore anything you said has no basis to it. Again, if you say that then could you please debunk my points instead of spouting nonsense? As a wise person once said: “Refute with facts and references, not hearsay”.
@@hisagony8094It was not a rent, what undisputed proof do you have that Malaysia is renting Sabah from Sulu? Where is the agrement which states as such?
Ckp di media antarabangsa pun bnyk putar belit
It's better to cede Sabah to the Philippines because it will create a massive trade and investments among 4 countries in the island of Borneo. Just keep the bad players out of this deal because they are jealous.
Sabah is already on the property of the Philippines.
Huh?the reason why they mention UK bcs malaya got agreement with british..in that agreement mention north borneo belong to british their colony..that was international agreement..it doesnt mention sulu..even british used colonized brunei..emm in their library no where mention brunei give sabah tu sulu..there agreement between brunei and british also..its absurd claim actually.Malaysia should counter claim sue back till philiphines poor became poorer left with nothing..since they wanna play with fire..then give petrol to them🤣
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink because that's how the British taught you to conquer land that doesn't belong to them, suck that to ur mouth btch
Sabah belongs to malaysia recognise in UN. Why must cede to Philippines?
Case already won. It is ours
Still dreaming? Paris: On 12 July 2022 Malaysia obtained Suspension (Stay) Order from the Paris Court of Appeal to suspend Exequatur Order issued by Paris Court. A Stay Order obtained in the French Court of Appeal pending application to set aside an arbitration award in an arbitration proceeding also to be filed in the French Court. Sulu again challenged the court decision on Stay Order on 27/7/2022 and the hearing was done on 16/1/2023. Finally, Paris Court of Appeal had decided on Tuesday (14/3/2023) that the challenge filed by the Sulu claimants was inadmissible and thus Sulu claimants’ bid to enforce the purported US$14.9bil (RM67.14bil) final award has been dismissed. Before this, they lost court case in Spain on 2/2/2023. First case In Luxembourg they lost too and now they are making an appeal.
Nope, recently the French and Dutch Courts of Appeal have annulled the final award meaning that the arbitration award has now been deemed null and void of any legality.
Siapa jadi pilak?
You are saying that you are a righteous person . With the case about Sabah that you are claiming that base on history and legality Malaysia never owned it?
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu as a gift? But Brunei Sultanate (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
That is a false narrative created by the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs. North Borneo (Sabah) previously belonged to Brunei before they ceded the entire territory to the British under the 1877 agreement, in the agreement it clearly states that North Borneo will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). However the Sultan of Sulu came along and falsely claims that North Borneo belongs to them, and to avoid a possible war in the region the British enter the 1878 agreement with the Sulu Sultanate which states that Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo to the BNBC which was the original meaning of “pajak” and was agreed as such by both the British and the Sulu Sultan however the Sulu heirs of the now defunct Sulu Sultanate then twisted the original meaning and claims that the word pajak actually means “lease and rent”. The British then agreed to pay 5,000 Mexican gold coins annually to the Sultan of Sulu as cession money for North Borneo but the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs twisted the narrative yet again and claims that the payment is “rent money”.
malaysia is paying meaning they are leasing ..the same countries that made the leasing is the same that said to malaysia pay your rent or sequester all assests..
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment (in Sulu possession) did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
That is a false narrative created by the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs. North Borneo (Sabah) previously belonged to Brunei before they ceded the entire territory to the British under the 1877 agreement, in the agreement it clearly states that North Borneo will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). However the Sultan of Sulu came along and falsely claims that North Borneo belongs to them, and to avoid a possible war in the region the British enter the 1878 agreement with the Sulu Sultanate which states that Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo to the BNBC which was the original meaning of “pajak” and was agreed as such by both the British and the Sulu Sultan however the Sulu heirs of the now defunct Sulu Sultanate then twisted the original meaning and claims that the word pajak actually means “lease and rent”. The British then agreed to pay 5,000 Mexican gold coins annually to the Sultan of Sulu as cession money for North Borneo but the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs twisted the narrative yet again and claims that the payment is “rent money”.
@@themalaysianpatriot3099 then why pay if you really owned the land? the sultan of brunei has the answers and documents of donations..earlier than the documents made by the british..brunei does not want it to go public in order not to create war..because if the philippines has that documents we can already send our troops to get sabah..if sabah will be part of the philippines then the Mutual defense treaty with the US can be applied..
@@daneurope9167 What proof do you have that the payment was for a rent? Neither the 1878 agreement nor the official receipts never stated a so-called rent. The word pajak stated in the agreement was meant to be stated as grant and cede, not lease and rent. The payment consisting of 5,300 Malaysian ringgit that is to be paid to the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs annually is merely cession money given out of courtesy, not obligation. Brunei so far has denied any claims made by Sulu that they have given Sabah to them as a gift, and Brunei was the one who ceded Sabah to the British under the 1877 agreement. If Brunei really did give Sabah to Sulu then the 1877 agreement would not have existed. The only proof the Philippines and Sulu have over Sabah is the 1878 agreement which can be debunked by numerous sources that are kept at the national archives in London, United Kingdom; so they have no valid claims to even own Sabah. The Philippines cannot send troops to Sabah, that would be considered an invasion. Also, if the Philippines does that then Malaysia will respond and will be forced to defend her territories from foreign invaders. And why would the US help the Philippines? Bear in mind that the US will only help the Philippines defensively, not offensively. They would not help the Philippines if they decide to invade a rightful Malaysian territory. But the UK, Singapore, Australia, and New Zealand will surely respond and come to Malaysia’s aid since Malaysia has signed a defense pact with these countries meaning an attack on one is an attack on all. Not to mentioned the Philippines will be slapped with economic sanctions and will be kicked out of ASEAN if they decided to invade Malaysia.
Return sabah to the philipines...
Who's the the real owner of SABAH? if the Sultan Sulu own it? So let them be it.. Malaysia and Philippines or Sultan Sulu .. whos the real owner??
Sulu need to show undisputable proof that earlier, Brunei Sultanate give North Borneo to Sulu as a gift for assisting in the Brunei’s civil war. This is to rebuke the existence of 29/12/1877 agreement (consist of 4 agreements) signed by Brunei Sultanate that grant the whole of North Borneo to BNBC. These agreements exist and keep in the National Archives in London. The word “grant” been used, and it has never been challenged or protest by Brunei, even when the British turned Sabah into British Charter (1881), Protectorate (1888), Colony (1946) and finally incorporate into Malaysia in 1963.
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@@remmyjunior007 aok .. I heard that Malaysia pay rental fee? How come Malaysia own it? Do you mean that if you pay rent it means you own a thing with that way?
@@Zero1_ML im one of the headhunters of dayak tribe from sarawak,if Filipinos have balls try to take sabah from Malaysia..then we will see what will happens..thanks and Salamat poh..god bless..amen😊
@@remmyjunior007 im not a Pilipino im a Muslim from Maranao tribe in Bangsamoro Autonomous Region Muslim Mindanao (BARMM) and im talking about Datu Sulu heirs (Muslim people) Thanks for understanding because we are both brothers .. Im not a christian im a believers too im not a Kafr
Magbayad na kayo Malaysia tagal nyo ng na enjoy lahat ng resources ng Sabah hindi naman yan sa inyo nag rent lng kaayo sa sultan of Sulu.
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment which is in Sulu possession did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
Rebut with facts and references. Not hearsay.
@@hopelope1703 during 1878 ang malaysia ay hindi pa natatag hindi pa sya bansa under pa sya ng briton.. itanong mo sa Dating SG ng Malaysia alam na alam nya nag rerenta lng ang Malaysia sa sultan ng Sulu.. bakit sila magbabayad? Kung ang Sabah ay sa Malaysia talaga yan ang malaking tanong???
@@jimharjailani9153 Only the agreement that Brunei grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company (BNBC) on 29/12/1877 exist. Later the British government signed agreement with BNBC and turned North Borneo into British Charter (1881), British Protectorate (1888), British Colony (1946) and incorporate into Malaysia under Malaysia Act in 1963.
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment which is in Sulu possession did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
Sabah back to sultanate of sulu and sultanate of sulu will become independent or will become part of Indonesia
There's no way that the rulling would be reverse. It is very clear that the rulling was in favor to the heirs of the sultanate of sulu and North Borneo.
It should be returned to the rightful owner.
Selama ini malaysia byr ke pilipin.masih lagi org pilipin yg tinggal di sini d katakan pilak,,klu Malaysia byr sm sultan Sulu tiap-tiap tahun.bererti org pilipin yg tinggal d sabah memng org sabah,sebp malaysia sj byr ke sultan Sulu tiap-tiap tahun.yg pilak itu yg mngaku org sabahan.wkwkkwkwkkwkwwkwkkw
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment (in Sulu possession) did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
Philippines is the province of Sabah
Sabah is province in the Philippines. Yes
@@itsjustMEemsni4771 yes agree
No, it is larger than province and region. Luzon, Visayas, Mindanao, Sabah, how's that? It is STATE I think
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Prevolous claims
SABAH,,palestinos,,,al sabah,,,sabah is owned BY hannover/savoy,,they just live on the land,,dont ownewhats below the soil,,,even the forest no more,,,abu dhabi also caceres indianapolis,,dont be fooled by them,,voltures desert,,
If you hear carefully he did not even had a solid stand in the the argument, he is the PRIME MINISTER and yet he does not even defend the people of SABAH this is whybwe should not elect a liar, criminal and oportunist as a person in power.
He’s being diplomatic in this interview, and that is of course the correct response.
What you want war?
@@ld-n1648 if he was trying to be "diplomatic" negotiate with the sultanate heirs try to win them over dont just avoid a problem people have died during OPS DAULAT, a conflict between MALAYSIA and the the heir of sulu sultanate, resulting in 71 deaths. Ignoring this issue will not solve it. He should atleast meet them.
@@ph1380 A bloody battle already happen 71 people have already died the people of SABAH want to have peace in the region, but the heirsof the sulu sultanate always threatened us.
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Ngomong apa
sulu join malaysia. more develop than manila rule.
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Malaysia soon rise taxes
Sulu hate malaysian squatters in sabah
Why Borneo can never be part of Malaysia?
The answer is quite simple.
Theres no geographic link between Malaysia and Borneo.
"If theres any ethnic group aside from the Sulu people who must have first settled and communicated with Borneo, it must be the Indonesian not the Malaysian".
MALAYSIA IS FAR BEYOND THE DEEP OCEANS AND THE SULU and CELEBES SEAS WERE THE ONLY KNOWN WATER BODY THAT ENCLAVES THE CONTINENTAL SHELVES OF PALAWAN- MINDANAO-SULU AND BORNEO ARCHIPELAGIC ISLANDS.
In a book published in 1908,
Najeeb Saleesby clearly stipulated the
Geographic and Communication Links between the Sulu Archipelago and Borneo during the ancient times.
In general, The Sulu Archipelago is a series of small volcanic islands which extends in a northeast and southwest direction between the meridians of 119° 10′ and 122° 25′ east, and the parallels of 4° 30′ and 6° 50′ north. It forms a "CONTINOUS" chain of islands, islets, and coral reefs, which "CONNECTS" the peninsula of Zamboanga with the northeastern extremity of Borneo and separates the Sulu Sea from the Celebes Sea.
It marks the southern line of "COMMUNICATION" between the Philippine Islands and Borneo and is probably the chief route of former emigrations and travel from Borneo to Mindanao and the southern Bisayan Islands.
Make sure when you mention Malaysia, it only means the federation that was formed by Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak. Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak formed a federation they now call Malaysia. If you meant to mention the Peninsular Malaysia, they were originally called Malaya. We in Sabah and Sarawak still call the Peninsular as Malaya, out of habit. The British only agreed to establish a federation called Malaysia with these three entities agreeing to sign the agreement called MA63. Singapore and Brunei was supposed to be part of the federation but bla, bla things happen and they weren't. Without Sabah and Sarawak, Malaysia simply do not exist. It would be just Malaya, which is the Peninsular Malaysia, Sarawak and Sabah as three different entities. I'm saying this because many people think that somehow Sabah and Sarawak were obtained by Malaysia. Even some Malaysians of the new generation thinks that Sabah and Sarawak are just another two states in Malaysia.
There no sulu mention in MA63 plus in that agreement mention north borneo british colony🤣Should brought this isssue to icj..wanna sue kiram family bcs raided attack and kill police and army in sabah lahad datu..
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink you bring the case of Sabah to ICJ anyway Malaysia will win.
@@NotLikeWhatYouThink Already done. There is a court case in ICJ (International Court of Justice, The Hague) record pertaining to the Philippines claims to North Borneo. A special 37-page report by ICJ was published in 2001 and easily accessible from the ICJ official website. It was a trial within a trial in the court case between Malaysia and Indonesia over the ownership of the islands of Sipadan and Ligitan. During the trial, Philippines which is not a party to the trial requested permission to intervene. To comply to Article 62 of the Statute of Court, Philippines stated 3 objects for the intervention (Section 7 & 84) namely to safeguard and preserve Philippines historical and legal rights over North Borneo, to inform the court the affect or effect of the court outcomes on its claim to the territories and on the procedural issues in the court. After deliberation, the court found the first 2 objectives are appropriate. Later Philippines lawyers explained their case and provided documentation especially the Sulu-Ovenbeck 1878 agreement and related information to the court (Section 44 & 83). On 23 October 2001, by 14 to 1 vote, the court rejected the Philippines request on the ground that there is no interest of legal nature (Section 93). Type the statement below and go to the official ICJ website (a 37-page report): INTIZRNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE REPORTS OF JUDGMENTS, ADVISORY OPINIONS AND ORDERS CASE CONCERNING SOVEREIGNTY OVER PULAU LIGITAN AND PULAU SIPADAN APPLICATION BY THE PHILIPPINES FOR PERMISSION TO INTERVENE JUDGMENT OF 23 OCTOBER 2001
Keep dreaming
Malaysian losser nxt to Sri Lanka hahahah
@@franciscogozo2229 ???
@@franciscogozo2229 Such a typical response from a true lo Ose r like yourself.
@@ld-n1648 you can't accept the fact that Sabah belongs to Philippines hahaha and by the time Malaysian don't pay the rent it would be making worse hahaha for your economy do you understand poor guy hahahah
@@aidieltaufik9954 and I will true .
Squaters Malaysian . You need to Pay your rentals and give it back to Filipino People in the name of Sultanate of Sulu. The Court, Documents and History Speaks that the Sabah is Belong to Philippines. 🇵🇭
What undisputable proof do you have that Brunei give Sabah to Sulu? Bear in mind that Brunei (original owner) grant and cede North Borneo to British North Borneo Company on 29/12/1877.
If you say it is a rent, then where is the agreement between Sulu and Malaysia regarding the lease and payment? Why in the 1878 agreement do not mention Malaysia as a party to that agreement? Why in the receipts of payment (in Sulu possession) did not state the money is for the rent or related to the 1878 agreement? Giving away money is not an offence.
That is a false narrative created by the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs. North Borneo (Sabah) previously belonged to Brunei before they ceded the entire territory to the British under the 1877 agreement, in the agreement it clearly states that North Borneo will be ceded to the British North Borneo Company (BNBC). However the Sultan of Sulu came along and falsely claims that North Borneo belongs to them, and to avoid a possible war in the region the British enter the 1878 agreement with the Sulu Sultanate which states that Sulu will grant and cede North Borneo to the BNBC which was the original meaning of “pajak” and was agreed as such by both the British and the Sulu Sultan however the Sulu heirs of the now defunct Sulu Sultanate then twisted the original meaning and claims that the word pajak actually means “lease and rent”. The British then agreed to pay 5,000 Mexican gold coins annually to the Sultan of Sulu as cession money for North Borneo but the self-proclaimed Sulu heirs twisted the narrative yet again and claims that the payment is “rent money”.
It's better for Mindanao to join Malaysia since Phillipines is a failed state