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Also fact is when we were get chips, it wasn't just because of KD and steph we were top 5 in defense as well. JaVale mcgee d. cousins all did that. we need rim protection and lob threats from the center position. as good as draymond is he cant keep playing center. trace is good for his age but still lacking in size. we draymond at the 4 setting up big guys as well. plus now that we have buddy hield and kyle anderson we have gotten stronger both in shooting and defense, buddy Hield is the 2nd best 3pt shooter btw and better than klay as far as accuracy just behind steph and people forget this. Buddy is more athletic and is a decent defender and size. All we need is that rim protector/athletic center who can run screens for buddy, kuminga and steph. we getting close to that "Strength in numbers quote" this season.
Everybody is talking about Kuminga and rightfully so but somebody i haven't heard much talk about lately i believe is gonna have a break out season and could potentially be an x factor is TJD
@@Greenhornet204right but he blocked Giannis twice in the same game, dunked on the whole country of France, if given more minutes his numbers will increase.
People are missing the point here with Kuminga ... 2022 season: Steph: +10.6 Steph with Kuminga: +0.2 difference -10.4 2023 season Steph: +6.6 Steph with Kuminga: -7.6 difference -14.2 2024 season Steph: +3.8 Steph with Kuminga: +6.8 difference +3 This last season is the first season that Kuminga had a positive impact on Steph's minutes. In previous seasons he had a tough time understand Steph's movement/gravity. and what makes the Warriors so difficult to guard. This last season he figured it out. I have been a "TRADE KUMINGA" guy for the last 3 years because I thought it would take him a while to become valuable for this team. BUT, he is now valuable for this team. So its no longer trade Kuminga. A defensive lineup with him, Wiggins, and Draymond is going to be scary for other teams to deal with. Warriors are going to be a problem this season for anyone paying attention. For reference, Kuminga was 21 this year and averaged 22ppg (per 36) in his third season. In Klay's third season, he was 23 and averaged 18.7 per game (per 36).
You forgot to show consistent minutes played. JK's ONLY year is half of last season when he finally got minutes. And it started half way through the season and not from start to finish. We know 0 until 1 full year with consistent minutes is given. Did you calculate how Steph was with Klay? Or any other garbage? I do not give a max to JK until proven at least 1 complete year (big and consistent minutes). Same I do not trade JK until I know what he is with 1 complete year. I give JK 25-30 for 1 year to prove the value he is or is not. 15-20m if max (low enough to unload him). Or just trade if JK cannot accept a 1 year trial test.
@@michaelstrode8924 CLEARLY I looked up how Steph and Klay were together. That wasnt really up for discussion here but happy to get into it. And as for consistent minutes as a factor, I think you could call that a chicken and egg situation. You're not going to give minutes to a guy that renders your best player ineffective. Minutes have to be earned. Like I was trying to explain that with Kuminga, he real growth has not been his stats, but rather his impact.
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The Warriors never tried to get anyone big. They weren’t willing to trade Kuminga, Podz or a lot of picks. There’s no trade that can be made that way. Thus, they never really tried. They put out stories so they wouldn’t be heavily criticized. That’s all.
It’s scary how little they value Curry. This is a message from Draymond the FO to curry the SCRUB apparently. Why is everyone ok with this? Not getting him any help at all ??? And no meltin and held ain’t a helpin
Name the last GSW star that WASN’T homegrown. They just got two absolute STEALS last season, and are STACKED with their bench rotation. GSW, Memphis and NO will all be top-5 in the west this year
Exactly my opinion. Give a nice 1 year pay to prove what his value is. But he must be at 30+ minutes every night. GSW mismanaged JK and still Moody. Never given minutes. Jk got minutes but only for half a season. Moody is not the loud mouth drama type to make a JK social media tantrum and gain minutes so he continues wrongly benched.
JK's #1 thing he needs to work on is his dribbling. 2nd is ball security & then those other things listed on that list. Wait til' the next off-season then pay him the max or let him go. Go Dubs!
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i would offer 22 a year for jk. not that he is bad but he is the 3rd option and fourth option for outside shooting. on a team where he 1st and 2nd option yes. but just because other teams have the cap room do drop that kind of cash, doesn't mean we should. we could get a decent big if we give jk 80-85mil for 4 years and 30 mil go get a descent big. we are still lacking a big. no 7 footers....
JK has only shown us half a season. GSW must do a 1 year deal AND give him 30+ minutes from Game 1 to Game 82. Then there can be more proof of value. He is not yet any proven option. Still uknown. Lets say he is a 3rd or 4th option as you stated. Cannot throw big money to a 3rd or 4th option. Definitely agree with you here=simple logic.
Bruh Kerr and the organization knew what they were doing. They knew he could play and put up more stats but they played him less so they can pay him less when comes the extension. Same with Moses Moody. Kuminga could've dropped 20ppg last season if they played him more since October 2023. Yet he still out uo 16ppg and when they played him kore in Jan-feb 2024 he average 20pg since. I will say he is already that guy and Kerr knows it. We will be fine as JK the second option plus the bench we have now while Steph still Steph and Dray hopefully stays out of trouble
Everybody is singling out kuminga. What about 3 of the Young players Not making a huge jump but making a jump period what would the team look like then?
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Get rid of Draymond and Wiggins. Acquire and 2nd wheel aka a star player with the ability to score at least 20 ppg and carry the team if and when Curry is out due to injuries.
JK might be good but might not he is one move basically. He has nitcdhie to be a great defender one on one he's a help defender. I feel Moidy has shown much more with less time in the floor. Remember they niyh signed atvssme time. I see esrtiord might go 165m max ig JK doesn't sign they will trade him fast. He's is not a go to player he has had 1 good year that's they are paying him for one decent year.
One year deal at 30+ minutes a game to prove what he is and what type of value an extension should be worth. Never think to extend now unless at 15-20 so he can easier be unloaded if does not prove. Look at the more recent case of Poole. He had a great year BUT was never proven other than 1 year. The nezt year begins with a fight with Green along with his mega turnovers and horrendous lack of 3pt shooting shocked all the sports world. Luckily a trashy team took on his excessively high extension. Jk proved a lot of interesting things when finally given half a season of minutes. He needs a full season to show us a lot more so we may have a clear idea of a realistic valuation. This is not Wemby we are discussing. This is an unknown that has looked great with minutes and improved more in this short time than he has the last 3 years total. Lets see 30+ minutes for 82+ games before thinking once about a bigger money extension.
No, he has not done anything, really. He doesn't play d Defense consistently, and sometimes he doesn't give up a good shot for a better shot. And he doesn't really like to pass the ball and sometimes doesn't read the play and he doesn't make the Hustle plays.
Kawhi was NOT a home run. He was an ok player at that time. They also lost with him. Thing is Zach Lowe and a lot of these “analyst” giving insight but all they know is stars. Check the history of the NBA. A bunch of stars is not required.
Kawhi wasn't a home run for the Spurs? By his 3rd year in the NBA he was a finals MVP? That Miami super team had no answer for him in 2014... He was the reason Miami wasn't able to 3-peat 😂
@@berserkmonk5331 Kawhi avg 13-14 ppg in 2014. That’s not a home run. And Kuminga avg 16ppg last yr on limited mins. He can be every bit as good and Kawhi was.
@@JamarLewis-se7kz it was a playoffs setting though. Kuminga hasn't really been tasked in that, fully, yet. Hopefully this upcoming season we get some real playoff action where Kuminga can be tested. Kawhi's average PPG in the 2014 season doesn't stand out, forsure, but he played lockdown defense against LBJ. And he was shooting over 40% from 3 in the playoffs. We would all be stoked if Kuminga was shooting over 40% from 3, while being a lockdown defender against the opposing team's best player 😂
Noted he isnt worth 225 plus havent seen or done anything. I Let the desdline past and let him play and let other team decide his worth then match or let him walk
98% Athleticism, 2% Intelligence and requires you to change your entire scheme when he's on the court, because he doesn't understand the game. Oh and slow whiteboy from Santa Clara had more hustle plays in 1 year than Kumimga has had in 3. Pay him? Hell no
Bro listening to you is ridiculous. You give klay all the grace in the world and he’s been a complete shell of himself since 2019 both offensively and defensively. You are hard on kuminga and you know Kerr is tough on his minutes and even worse you always find a way to love on lebron. Sheesh please bring back the old staff and get this guy outta here
SMITTTY, KUMINGA CAN LEAVE!!!! I'M SICK OF THIS JK BS. THIS KID HAS DONE NOTHING TO DESERVE 224 MILLION DOLLARS. WE GIVE THAT KID 224 MILLION DOLLARS AND RUIN STEPHS CHANCES AT A 5TH RING....I'M DONE BEING A GSW FAN 💯
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25-30 mill is fair but 40 mill for 5 year is hell No
Maybe😂🤣
Yes
Yes.
Also fact is when we were get chips, it wasn't just because of KD and steph we were top 5 in defense as well. JaVale mcgee d. cousins all did that. we need rim protection and lob threats from the center position. as good as draymond is he cant keep playing center. trace is good for his age but still lacking in size. we draymond at the 4 setting up big guys as well. plus now that we have buddy hield and kyle anderson we have gotten stronger both in shooting and defense, buddy Hield is the 2nd best 3pt shooter btw and better than klay as far as accuracy just behind steph and people forget this. Buddy is more athletic and is a decent defender and size. All we need is that rim protector/athletic center who can run screens for buddy, kuminga and steph. we getting close to that "Strength in numbers quote" this season.
The more pressure on lunatic dray the quicker he loses it and is out. Hopefully the league is watching that mfer close
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Facts
@@nicholaswilkerson501 lol
Hield is one of the worst D in the league. But maybe this will not be required as much as his insane 3pt shot.
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Everybody is talking about Kuminga and rightfully so but somebody i haven't heard much talk about lately i believe is gonna have a break out season and could potentially be an x factor is TJD
Too short can’t shoot uh uh no
@@Greenhornet204right but he blocked Giannis twice in the same game, dunked on the whole country of France, if given more minutes his numbers will increase.
@@stevennguyen6637 he’s a head case
@@Greenhornet204don’t need him to “shoot” we need low post scoring, something he definitely provides
@@mcu2478 good luck with that bs he’s shaped funny and he will only make things worse if that’s even possible
Bruh the Warriors are gonna be fine!
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@@Greenhornet204 It seems like everybody sleeping on My Squad
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Agreed, they are fine
People are missing the point here with Kuminga ...
2022 season:
Steph: +10.6
Steph with Kuminga: +0.2
difference -10.4
2023 season
Steph: +6.6
Steph with Kuminga: -7.6
difference -14.2
2024 season
Steph: +3.8
Steph with Kuminga: +6.8
difference +3
This last season is the first season that Kuminga had a positive impact on Steph's minutes. In previous seasons he had a tough time understand Steph's movement/gravity. and what makes the Warriors so difficult to guard. This last season he figured it out. I have been a "TRADE KUMINGA" guy for the last 3 years because I thought it would take him a while to become valuable for this team. BUT, he is now valuable for this team. So its no longer trade Kuminga. A defensive lineup with him, Wiggins, and Draymond is going to be scary for other teams to deal with.
Warriors are going to be a problem this season for anyone paying attention.
For reference, Kuminga was 21 this year and averaged 22ppg (per 36) in his third season. In Klay's third season, he was 23 and averaged 18.7 per game (per 36).
You forgot to show consistent minutes played. JK's ONLY year is half of last season when he finally got minutes. And it started half way through the season and not from start to finish. We know 0 until 1 full year with consistent minutes is given.
Did you calculate how Steph was with Klay? Or any other garbage?
I do not give a max to JK until proven at least 1 complete year (big and consistent minutes). Same I do not trade JK until I know what he is with 1 complete year.
I give JK 25-30 for 1 year to prove the value he is or is not. 15-20m if max (low enough to unload him). Or just trade if JK cannot accept a 1 year trial test.
@@michaelstrode8924 CLEARLY I looked up how Steph and Klay were together. That wasnt really up for discussion here but happy to get into it.
And as for consistent minutes as a factor, I think you could call that a chicken and egg situation. You're not going to give minutes to a guy that renders your best player ineffective. Minutes have to be earned. Like I was trying to explain that with Kuminga, he real growth has not been his stats, but rather his impact.
TJD, that's all.
imagine if JK, Moody, Podz, and TJD all turn up🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
N; MOBLEY would make the warriors contenders
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The Warriors never tried to get anyone big. They weren’t willing to trade Kuminga, Podz or a lot of picks. There’s no trade that can be made that way. Thus, they never really tried. They put out stories so they wouldn’t be heavily criticized. That’s all.
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It’s scary how little they value Curry. This is a message from Draymond the FO to curry the SCRUB apparently. Why is everyone ok with this? Not getting him any help at all ??? And no meltin and held ain’t a helpin
Bruh. They did try. Ainge wanted 4 rotation players (including 2 starters), 3 1st round picks, 4 pick swaps and a partridge in a pear tree.
Name the last GSW star that WASN’T homegrown. They just got two absolute STEALS last season, and are STACKED with their bench rotation. GSW, Memphis and NO will all be top-5 in the west this year
@@jpbrewster02 😝
I Still Believe In Moses Moody.
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To dream the impossible dream......
I’m a warriors fan.. you’re just delusional
25m a year that's a right price for kuminga❤
No, risk losing him after this season but make him work his ass off to prove his worth. With 5 year contract he relaxes
Exactly my opinion. Give a nice 1 year pay to prove what his value is. But he must be at 30+ minutes every night. GSW mismanaged JK and still Moody. Never given minutes. Jk got minutes but only for half a season. Moody is not the loud mouth drama type to make a JK social media tantrum and gain minutes so he continues wrongly benched.
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to me they are this team looks better than their 22 chip team
i would offer 22 a year for jk. not that he is bad but he is the 3rd option and fourth option for outside shooting. on a team where he 1st and 2nd option yes. but just because other teams have the cap room do drop that kind of cash, doesn't mean we should. we could get a decent big if we give jk 80-85mil for 4 years and 30 mil go get a descent big. we are still lacking a big. no 7 footers....
JK has only shown us half a season. GSW must do a 1 year deal AND give him 30+ minutes from Game 1 to Game 82. Then there can be more proof of value.
He is not yet any proven option. Still uknown. Lets say he is a 3rd or 4th option as you stated. Cannot throw big money to a 3rd or 4th option. Definitely agree with you here=simple logic.
You’re wrong about Kuminga. Give him his money. 🎉
Bruh Kerr and the organization knew what they were doing. They knew he could play and put up more stats but they played him less so they can pay him less when comes the extension. Same with Moses Moody.
Kuminga could've dropped 20ppg last season if they played him more since October 2023.
Yet he still out uo 16ppg and when they played him kore in Jan-feb 2024 he average 20pg since.
I will say he is already that guy and Kerr knows it.
We will be fine as JK the second option plus the bench we have now while Steph still Steph and Dray hopefully stays out of trouble
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Everybody is singling out kuminga. What about 3 of the Young players Not making a huge jump but making a jump period what would the team look like then?
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Give Jk 145 million in 5 years
Mr.T . here's the deal!!! The first 10 games or less will tell us whose Gung Ho and whose not!!! You cannot fake being a ball player and you and i will see it!!! You watch to see if a player freezes up every time he sees a taller player instead of challenging him, to get him into foul trouble!!!! Meanwhile you're at the line making foulshots!!!! If Kerr is any kind of a coach, he'll relay this thought to every player on his team!!!! Go after the key players first!!! Get them into foul trouble and even a less than great player on your team, will score some points!!! Helping the team to Win!!! Dan Hurleys Father would be GREAT COACH FOR G.S.!!! Just look at what his son did at Uconn ,the last 2years!!! And his Father is still giving him pointers on how to keep on Winning!!!! Mr.T., while some of these contributors think this and that, they can't go one on one with the ones who played the Game and look at all the Nook& Cranies that come with It!!!! Keep up the Good Work Tyler!!! Earl of ElBarrio, NYC,NY. 9/10/24
Its the same they to Klay....come on ...
$30 million is a bargain
For a potential headache head case
Get rid of Draymond and Wiggins. Acquire and 2nd wheel aka a star player with the ability to score at least 20 ppg and carry the team if and when Curry is out due to injuries.
And who will be?
JK might be good but might not he is one move basically. He has nitcdhie to be a great defender one on one he's a help defender. I feel Moidy has shown much more with less time in the floor. Remember they niyh signed atvssme time. I see esrtiord might go 165m max ig JK doesn't sign they will trade him fast. He's is not a go to player he has had 1 good year that's they are paying him for one decent year.
One year deal at 30+ minutes a game to prove what he is and what type of value an extension should be worth. Never think to extend now unless at 15-20 so he can easier be unloaded if does not prove. Look at the more recent case of Poole. He had a great year BUT was never proven other than 1 year. The nezt year begins with a fight with Green along with his mega turnovers and horrendous lack of 3pt shooting shocked all the sports world. Luckily a trashy team took on his excessively high extension.
Jk proved a lot of interesting things when finally given half a season of minutes. He needs a full season to show us a lot more so we may have a clear idea of a realistic valuation. This is not Wemby we are discussing. This is an unknown that has looked great with minutes and improved more in this short time than he has the last 3 years total. Lets see 30+ minutes for 82+ games before thinking once about a bigger money extension.
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No, he has not done anything, really. He doesn't play d Defense consistently, and sometimes he doesn't give up a good shot for a better shot. And he doesn't really like to pass the ball and sometimes doesn't read the play and he doesn't make the Hustle plays.
$30m is cheap. If he breaks out this year. he will get $45m next year. $30m now will look like bargain then.
Kawhi was NOT a home run. He was an ok player at that time. They also lost with him. Thing is Zach Lowe and a lot of these “analyst” giving insight but all they know is stars. Check the history of the NBA. A bunch of stars is not required.
Kawhi it's sad to say, even though i dislike him for that finals loss but he's become irrelevant
Kawhi wasn't a home run for the Spurs? By his 3rd year in the NBA he was a finals MVP? That Miami super team had no answer for him in 2014... He was the reason Miami wasn't able to 3-peat 😂
@@berserkmonk5331 He was a great defender. He was ok on offense. Basically Kuminga in his 4th yr could be every bit as impactful.
@@berserkmonk5331 Kawhi avg 13-14 ppg in 2014. That’s not a home run. And Kuminga avg 16ppg last yr on limited mins. He can be every bit as good and Kawhi was.
@@JamarLewis-se7kz it was a playoffs setting though. Kuminga hasn't really been tasked in that, fully, yet. Hopefully this upcoming season we get some real playoff action where Kuminga can be tested.
Kawhi's average PPG in the 2014 season doesn't stand out, forsure, but he played lockdown defense against LBJ. And he was shooting over 40% from 3 in the playoffs.
We would all be stoked if Kuminga was shooting over 40% from 3, while being a lockdown defender against the opposing team's best player 😂
No
Noted he isnt worth 225 plus havent seen or done anything. I Let the desdline past and let him play and let other team decide his worth then match or let him walk
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WE'RE IN TROUBLE BRUH 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💪🏿
😂 FACTS 💯
98% Athleticism, 2% Intelligence and requires you to change your entire scheme when he's on the court, because he doesn't understand the game.
Oh and slow whiteboy from Santa Clara had more hustle plays in 1 year than Kumimga has had in 3. Pay him? Hell no
Nothing is wrong with intelligence. Thats just a stereotype racist statement. I suppose you think Podz is a fucking genius.
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Garbage
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Zach Lowe is woke
Bro listening to you is ridiculous. You give klay all the grace in the world and he’s been a complete shell of himself since 2019 both offensively and defensively. You are hard on kuminga and you know Kerr is tough on his minutes and even worse you always find a way to love on lebron. Sheesh please bring back the old staff and get this guy outta here
At those per 36 we can get Kuzma for cheaper…………..
Kuzma is a horrible idea. No hoop IQ, and can't shoot.
Trade him overrated it’s another Michael pietrus
SMITTTY, KUMINGA CAN LEAVE!!!! I'M SICK OF THIS JK BS. THIS KID HAS DONE NOTHING TO DESERVE 224 MILLION DOLLARS. WE GIVE THAT KID 224 MILLION DOLLARS AND RUIN STEPHS CHANCES AT A 5TH RING....I'M DONE BEING A GSW FAN 💯
$25m per year for 5years for Kuminga.. nothing more than that. Has too many holes and very unreliable to be paid $30m per year
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