What Will Replace Viper at Six Flags Magic Mountain?

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  • These are the possibilities for what can replace Viper once Magic Mountain decides to pull the plug.
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ความคิดเห็น • 696

  • @Soonjai
    @Soonjai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    Just replace the trains with the current generation of Vekoma trains for that track style, the vest restraints on those trains are great and they massively improve any coaster that has them.

    • @eliasmertens9313
      @eliasmertens9313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I don’t know if that could really happen. I could be wrong, but I think the new Vekoma trains are heavier than Arrow trains, and Arrow track is typically.... not as sturdy as Vekoma track. I mean by the point in time that Viper was built, Arrow was still using the rigid transitions and cutting steel on site (see also Magnum XL-200). At the same time, Vekoma was already designing their rides with computers and just overall creating sturdier and better designed rides (see Ninja/Blue Hawk)

    • @Soonjai
      @Soonjai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@eliasmertens9313 I have to admit that this might be an issue I completely overlooked, I didn't realize how far behind Arrow really was in some areas.
      Don't get me wrong, I know how innovative and influential Arrow was, but considering that Vekoma more or less started their coaster business by being teached by Arrow how to build their track design and then being licensed by Arrow to use it, it is incredible to think that Vekoma quickly surpassed their teacher.
      Yeah, from what I heard those newer Vekoma trains are indeed heavier from what I heard. If those really don't work on the Arrow Loopers it would at least explain why to my knowledge no Arrow Looper was upgraded to them so far.
      And wasn't Drachen Fire one of, if not the first Arrow Coaster designed on a Computer, or am I mixing something up here?

    • @SonicAndShadowFTW
      @SonicAndShadowFTW 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@eliasmertens9313 Quite a few arrow loopers have gotten the new vekoma trains so that point is completely false, plus the trains use the original Arrow wheel assemblies and bogies so its really just a shell and restraint swap if anything.
      All three of the mega loopers were not cut and fabricated on site and had their track assembled elsewhere because most of their transitions and general design is completely different to Magnum.

    • @BigBrother-INGSOC
      @BigBrother-INGSOC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@eliasmertens9313 but possibly vekoma can retrack viper because the track is kinda bumpy and if that does happen then viper will be able to accommodate the new vekoma trains with vest restrains (this is a possibly if the new vekoma trains are heavier than arrow trains and they have to retrack it). but if the new vekoma trains are around the same weight as arrow trains then there’s a change of viper getting the trains by vekoma

  • @cheezandbees6934
    @cheezandbees6934 3 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    my god you cannot SCARE me like this. I saw the title and FREAKED lmao

    • @rabidsmiles
      @rabidsmiles 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too o.o

    • @EZKI332
      @EZKI332 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same here

    • @bobataco210
      @bobataco210 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      tbh i was kinda excited :/

    • @seansanders294
      @seansanders294 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same

    • @Lukas_Kramer
      @Lukas_Kramer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Same and I still haven’t ridden it, let me get to California first

  • @ksgenjoyer4166
    @ksgenjoyer4166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +331

    Nothing will replace it. Its just built different😈

    • @zacharyyamashita8554
      @zacharyyamashita8554 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Just refurbish it and get the new generation Vekoma trains for it, don't remove this wonderful Arrow.

    • @xeno72_
      @xeno72_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      fax it do be built different doe

    • @sideeswipe
      @sideeswipe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Zachary Yamashita There’s no point in keeping it already has an awful reputation

    • @k.olimitless723
      @k.olimitless723 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥

    • @judgeroyscream1514
      @judgeroyscream1514 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i dont get it

  • @ArchitectureAdmirer
    @ArchitectureAdmirer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    They don't need to replace this coaster. Magic mountain can follow the same procedures as they did to Revolution. It can be revamped.

    • @masterrudy2996
      @masterrudy2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly

    • @Avazzz
      @Avazzz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why won’t they though?? It pisses me off :(

    • @seanlewis1148
      @seanlewis1148 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup...revamped and preserved!!

    • @AnthonysMajesty
      @AnthonysMajesty 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem is the plot of land unfortunately, it struggles to bring in people and they know they could bring in so many more people with a bigger coaster there. But I wish they’d bring more attention to it or change something bc it’s one of my favourite coasters

    • @NXTGEN49ERSFAN
      @NXTGEN49ERSFAN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Avazzz it’s a mega looper it’s gonna be expensive to renovate it and six flags ain’t gonna spend that much money on an arrow that’s not a 4d coaster

  • @GreatAmericanCoaster
    @GreatAmericanCoaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Magic Mountain's coasters are like disney movies, they saw it did good the first time and decided to remake what we loved.

    • @ducksfan_1149
      @ducksfan_1149 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Great American Coasters at least disney waits a couple decades

    • @richardbagley3139
      @richardbagley3139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But some of the live action movies are kinda bad

  • @joshuatalbot2031
    @joshuatalbot2031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Viper is Unironically in my top 5. One of the best. I hope it never leaves

    • @livelyballers
      @livelyballers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't like it, it hurts my back.

    • @godtiergodkiller8854
      @godtiergodkiller8854 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hate viper. I might have just gotten a bad ride, but rn it’s my third worst coaster I’ve ever ridden. I have 247 credits.

    • @HondaAccordPerformance
      @HondaAccordPerformance ปีที่แล้ว

      @@godtiergodkiller8854 Idk how ? I was at Magic Mountain last week and I would rank Riddlers Revenge as the worst in the park I had to fight the coaster from banging my head on the corkscrews. Viper runs smooth and that first drop in the back row on Viper is Wild. Easy top 4-5 in the park.

    • @godtiergodkiller8854
      @godtiergodkiller8854 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HondaAccordPerformance damn, we’ll riddlers revenge for sure wasn’t good, but def not the worst. Nah but viper beat me the hell up. I tried it in the front and back and it was just terrible. Slow janky and knocking me into the bad restraints and plastic seat.

    • @lcajueiro
      @lcajueiro ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HondaAccordPerformance what’s #1

  • @expeditioned2821
    @expeditioned2821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I never want this ride to leave and it's definitely not outdated!

    • @sammy7068
      @sammy7068 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      same h ere love that ride hate to see itgo

  • @ValleyThrills
    @ValleyThrills 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    One more idea: an S&S looper similar to Steel Curtain at Kennywood.

    • @sunnie_tystys8807
      @sunnie_tystys8807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's actually a good idea! It could beat the American inversion record too!

    • @motorwayt-s628
      @motorwayt-s628 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It would definitely be a successor to viper

    • @AirtimeThrills
      @AirtimeThrills  3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I was thinking about this recently after i made the video. Would actually make sense. Its basically a larger scale bermuda blitz

    • @Thim22Z7
      @Thim22Z7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was about to comment that, but since you posted it ill just like your comment.

    • @GuruAidTechSupport
      @GuruAidTechSupport 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Airtime Thrills I could also see an S&S compressed air launch coaster. Something bigger than MaxxForce.

  • @toptiercomments840
    @toptiercomments840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Some coasters are on an enthusiast's bucket list because they look amazing or unusual. Others are on an enthusiast's bucket list because they look like their days are numbered. For me, Viper is firmly among the latter.
    I need to hightail it over to Magic Mountain and ride this thing before the giant Arrow Loopers go fully extinct...
    ...if CA ever lets its parks reopen.

    • @RockyandTuck
      @RockyandTuck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Top Tier Comments I'm sure 2021 will be better luck

    • @AirtimeThrills
      @AirtimeThrills  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I feel the same way about Excalibur at Valleyfair

    • @frostking79
      @frostking79 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agree completely, California was on my big coaster trip this year for Viper.

  • @Therecreep
    @Therecreep 3 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    I think an Intamin Zac-Spin would be a great addition to Magic Mountain

    • @ArrowLooper
      @ArrowLooper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      No a screamin squirrel

    • @memecentral10
      @memecentral10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Same. Should be called Green Lanteern: First Flight

    • @al0742
      @al0742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      They could actually just relocate the one that's going to La Ronde. Would save me a concussion.

    • @PersonLabeledN0AH
      @PersonLabeledN0AH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You can’t even joke about that. It hurts too much physically and emotionally...
      But I’m still laughing 😂

    • @ArrowLooper
      @ArrowLooper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@memecentral10 more like last flight

  • @oblivieon1567
    @oblivieon1567 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was watching another channel and they brought up Viper. We all know it's going to go eventually. Many enthusiasts talk about converting the trains to the new Vekoma trains. I've thought that too but then it struck me. Since Six Flags is all about saving money, what if they brought Chance Morgan in to convert it to a Giga? It's already 186ft tall, Viper's Revenge anyone?

  • @gregg5958
    @gregg5958 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Left out of your equation is that Viper is an ICON. It’s loops tower over the park midways and can be seen from a long ways away. It, along with the park’s observation tower are like their version of Disneyland’s Matterhorn. So whatever replaces Viper, would have to be extremely tall and extremely iconic and photogenic.

  • @nathanlamoreaux1272
    @nathanlamoreaux1272 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I’m surprised you didn’t mention an S&S mega looper like Steel Curtain. Six Flags has a solid relationship with S&S, and they could easily go for the inversion record or tallest/fastest looping coaster record. It’s likely a lot cheaper than a Mack hyper. I could definitely see that as a successor for Viper.

  • @CoasterHour
    @CoasterHour 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think an Axis Coaster would be the best possible addition along with potentially an uplift or complete overhaul of the Baja Ridge area.
    My dream coasters for that plot would be a Mack Hyper, a Vekoma Hyper, or a Mack Xtreme Spinner

  • @user-pl5ds8iz6q
    @user-pl5ds8iz6q 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Knowing Six Flags it will probably be a Larson Loop called "Goliath 2" or something

    • @BackSeatJunkie
      @BackSeatJunkie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or the world's largest park bench.

    • @butterpecanbrielle
      @butterpecanbrielle 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BackSeatJunkie sounds accurate... six flags is known for removing decent rides for mediocre replacements

    • @richardbagley3139
      @richardbagley3139 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Butter Pecan even a park bench would be better than first flight

  • @gemmachaos
    @gemmachaos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm not too keen on parks removing all the big Arrow loopers. They are an important part of theme park history and pretty soon there'll be no more left! Maybe a Python-at-Efteling style retrack is a better idea? That would probably be within budget. Python has been buttery smooth and quite intense since the retrack, and if it works on a Vekoma it'll do gangbusters on an Arrow.

    • @DavidBehlman
      @DavidBehlman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Literally wanted to say same thing. A retrack would be delightful. It's worth preserving and updating.

  • @cidifede1
    @cidifede1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I road Viper the first week it opened. I waited 4 hours. Still one of my all time favorites. If it goes it will be missed.

  • @seaskiguy
    @seaskiguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What SFMM and indeed the entire West Coast is missing, is a floaty airtime B&M hyper. The size might be tough, but this feels like a better complementary fit to me.

    • @seanlewis1148
      @seanlewis1148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't understand why SFMM decided to go with an unproven crappie a** "Giovanola" instead of a SOLID B&M for Goliath.....let alone IT being a giga, since they were in this big rivalry with Cedar Point when they built Millennium Force, in a who's who tale of bigger badder and xtreme coasters.

  • @thecraftytomato
    @thecraftytomato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Me: *Sees title*
    Also me: *Cries in binge riding 12 times in a row because there's no line*
    Edit: But fr though, we just need something that has a lot of airtime because that's the main thing the park is missing

    • @stanton1270
      @stanton1270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yeah the park has too many coasters based on positive gs they need more airtime filled coasters

    • @Joshwake
      @Joshwake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      y'all ever heard of twisted colossus?

    • @thecraftytomato
      @thecraftytomato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Joshwake That's one coaster out of 19

    • @stanton1270
      @stanton1270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Joshwake There are only 2 coasters that provide airtime in the park. Apocalypse provides a little bit and TC has a fair amount but that's it. They are seriously lacking more airtime based coasters since they have almost 20 of them.

    • @MrSmitejr
      @MrSmitejr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stanton1270 WCR gives good airtime too

  • @ToastGhost
    @ToastGhost 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I've always wondered what an RMC'd steel coaster would look like if that's even remotely possible.

  • @JadneParks
    @JadneParks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Green Lantern: First Flight more like Green Lantern: Final Flight

  • @bradyryan5105
    @bradyryan5105 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6 Flags Magic Mountain needs to preserve this coaster as long as they can! It's a true treasure 🐍🎢

  • @paraskep5080
    @paraskep5080 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    considering the fact that viper is literally the only one of its kind left on the west coast if not the world

    • @Just4CaliJames
      @Just4CaliJames 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the demon is still operating a SF great america, so not the only arrow looper in Cali

    • @Caleb-hl9qo
      @Caleb-hl9qo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Just4CaliJames first do you mean California's great America instead of six flags great America because SF ga isn't in the west coast and second it's the only arrow mega looper left on the world a mega looper and a regular looper are different.

    • @dasher3532
      @dasher3532 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Just4CaliJames Unfortunately Viper will be the last Arrow looper in Cali with what’s happening to CGA.

  • @FrontRowCoaster
    @FrontRowCoaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'v only ridden Viper once. I really hope to get back to Magic Mountain soon.

  • @Coolsomeone234
    @Coolsomeone234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I say an out and back B&M Giga Starting near X², go along the service road the wrap around the water park and TC

  • @LUCI_14
    @LUCI_14 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I think a slc is a good choice! It’s smooth and pull some good laterals also that airtime, OOH!

    • @al0742
      @al0742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Shame there's no inversions or rough transitions tho

    • @CoasterHorizons
      @CoasterHorizons 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Honestly a SLC 2.0 would be cool. It would be smoother with better restraints

    • @CrazyDash9
      @CrazyDash9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CoasterHorizons that would be interesting. A modern slc. But I would prefer a blitz

    • @CoasterHorizons
      @CoasterHorizons 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      CrazyDash Yt yeah me too

    • @awildfurret
      @awildfurret 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SLC Mark 2

  • @guttermouseTV
    @guttermouseTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “Guarantee will be a walk on” ...I take it you’ve never been to magic mountain in July.

  • @carstenwiese8614
    @carstenwiese8614 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I also think SF will keep Viper - but with a retracking done by the company that did retrack efteling's vekoma "python" looper. That one turned out soo smooth! By the way: Viper was one of the coasters I enjoyed the most when I visited SF MM last year!

  • @khris6690
    @khris6690 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This was the most impressive coaster in the 90s for me, it was my destination coaster and it didn't disappoint, as an adult I have been on many better coasters but Viper was the coaster that made me a coaster nerd

    • @MidnightSonnet
      @MidnightSonnet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same for me, too. Viper opened when I was 8. I loved it so much. Revolution was my first looped coaster. Space Mountain in the 80s was what made me a coaster junky. However, Viper is terrible now. It gives me such a raging headache from all the banging on the restraints. I can't ride it anymore. It desperately needs an upgrade or be taken down. Yes, it's part of our childhood, but it's okay to let things go.

  • @YurBoiCarson
    @YurBoiCarson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Wait my homepark almost got an Intamin pre-fab but it didn’t?....well frick

    • @CrazyDash9
      @CrazyDash9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      My disappointment levels are immeasurable

    • @stanton1270
      @stanton1270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      yeah we were about to out pizza the hut (CP) but corporate said nah lets give them Green Lantern instead

    • @ducksfan_1149
      @ducksfan_1149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      does anybody know where that claim came from? I tried to look into it but didn’t find anything.

    • @alex_exists
      @alex_exists 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imagine someone who has SFMM as their homepark complaining. The nearest park to me is 3 hours away. I can't complain too much though because that park is SFGAm.

    • @stanton1270
      @stanton1270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Alex Exists we are not complaining. We are just saying how we wished we got the Prefab. I

  • @themeparkfanatic2732
    @themeparkfanatic2732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As much as I hate talking about this topic, it definitely is going to be talked about more often since Viper is outdated and an older coaster. I love Viper so much I really hope the replacement for this will end up being better then Viper.🙏

  • @JustShootLight
    @JustShootLight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ive been very fortunate and got the opportunity to ride AXIS. and I DREAM of X2 and AXIs being next to each other. Old generation New Generation 4D next to each other would be AMAZING. It would be the perfect fit and the perfect addition. I am so glad you even considered the possibility, as its a awesome ride experience.
    I also would not mind them doing a CHANCE GTX in the slot only because I would love to see more and more of them being built. ONE isn’t enough.

  • @ArrowLooper
    @ArrowLooper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Pls no I want to ride this before it's gone. Need to ride this.

  • @badgerstatecoasters7725
    @badgerstatecoasters7725 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    A Skyrush Clone

    • @ArrowLooper
      @ArrowLooper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It actually wouldn't be as bad

    • @TylerPCoyne
      @TylerPCoyne 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That could be a possibility!

    • @OakViewFilms
      @OakViewFilms 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Skyrush is amazing! I don't care if my legs hurt the rest of the day lol

    • @Coolsomeone234
      @Coolsomeone234 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He actually likes it now

    • @badgerstatecoasters7725
      @badgerstatecoasters7725 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Coolsomeone234 Even better than

  • @EstebanGlez1
    @EstebanGlez1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The ride is just great, I ride it every time, I go to six flags, since 1990. Since it was built Viper has been one of the tallest and fastest looping roller coasters in the world, and will not change it for any of the new rides you mentioned. The only thing they need to do is replace the trains. Twisted Colosos was originally built in 1975, and with the update is an amazing ride.

  • @OakViewFilms
    @OakViewFilms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The only acceptable replacement would be an Intamin hyper, with the same thigh restraints Chris loves so much.
    For reals though, I'd love to see RMC or Mack do a hyper on this plot. Since Goliath focuses on positive-Gs, and Twisted Colossus on ejector airtime, something with floater airtime is a must need for Magic Mountain.

  • @stanton1270
    @stanton1270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow I'm surprised that you did not point this out. There is a large picnic area in between that land and the entrance of the park. The extra room could make some coaster types more plausible. For example, a mack hyper could follow the same lift direction as viper then have a twisted drop towards the picnic area. Then turn back around and have a twister section back on viper's plot. This also makes the dive more logical as the could have the drop going towards the bridge to X2 and go under it. Then flip back by using a tiny space of the picnic area. In my personal opinion I would want either a mack hyper or axis :)

  • @ghostridermax3617
    @ghostridermax3617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Save viper! Never ridden it, but still.

    • @topbaker4651
      @topbaker4651 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I love Viper but the restraints suck. I'm short (5') and the over the shoulder just rams my head back and forth.

    • @Johannesburg777
      @Johannesburg777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Viper is one of favorite coasters. I hope they save it.

    • @Alex-if2kt
      @Alex-if2kt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      At some point I would like to ride these old arrow looping coasters, that won’t be able to happen if they are removed ;(

  • @Iamnicknow
    @Iamnicknow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I LOVE Viper so much. I really hope they don’t get rid of it in the next few years.

  • @andrewraygoza
    @andrewraygoza 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I went on the day before New Years Eve in 2017 and man was I surprised to see an hour and 30 minute wait on this thing

  • @GabrielTheMagolorMain
    @GabrielTheMagolorMain 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow...I can’t believe it’s going. As an adult I’m not as much a fan of roller coasters. But as a kid that was the big one, it took me several trips to finally get on, and I LOVED it. I understand progress, it will be sad not to see it anymore off the freeway!

  • @mr.meloetta1939
    @mr.meloetta1939 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think Six Flags could give it a treatment similar too what happened to Blue Hawk at Over Georgia by hiring Vekoma. I know they're different from Arrow, but they could still easily refurbish Viper.

    • @darthvader5532
      @darthvader5532 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree, along with some reprofiling; like the loop after the drop could become a gigantic loop like on Riddlers revenge or scream, that turn could go over banked the two loops could become one loop and a dive loop the pretzel loop should remain what it is and the corkscrews could become zero g rolls. 😉 all of these changes could happen or any combination of them. Either way, it would be Viper, just updated.

  • @emilybreneman2140
    @emilybreneman2140 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As much as I want to ride this, it does look really janky. Whatever will replace it will be the hypest thing MM does for a long while.

    • @zacharyyamashita8554
      @zacharyyamashita8554 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All it needs is a new paint job and next generation venom trains.

  • @RevNoch
    @RevNoch 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've only been to Magic Mountain once, back in '91 when I was 11 years old. The Viper has been in the back of my mind as a legendary coaster my whole life. I was stunned just now when you said it's basically guaranteed to be a walk on these days...

    • @zacharyyamashita8554
      @zacharyyamashita8554 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The only thing that would be worthy to replace Viper would be a 220 ft GIGA from B&M, otherwise Viper better stay.

    • @chiltonschilling2732
      @chiltonschilling2732 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zacharyyamashita8554 You do realize that 220 feet is a Hyper, not a Giga. That is also smaller than Goliath.

    • @brianblanco254
      @brianblanco254 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I went yesterday and it was the second ride I rode after Revolution, and Viper was empty, walked right up and I was next to get on. And it was the afternoon too!

  • @Onoitsbroko
    @Onoitsbroko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ugh i do not want to think about the day that Viper leaves. It's literally my 3rd favorite coaster in the park after Twisted and X2. It's going to be a sad day for sure! I'd rather see Goliath go first to be honest. Lol

  • @coastersandcosplays
    @coastersandcosplays 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RMC 500 foot or a B&M giga. they'd have to put some supports in the current picnic pavilion, but have it drop down towards the pavilion area, and then do an airtime hill over the parking tolls area and go across the street to the massive empty plot of land. If they ever intend on using that plot of land for a coaster, it would have to be a massive scale coaster that started where Viper or X2 now stands

  • @StamfordBridge
    @StamfordBridge 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The replacement coaster should be called The Mongoose.

  • @irhrjjrjrkekwoowoe
    @irhrjjrjrkekwoowoe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Me: reads title
    Also me: Nothing will

  • @SiebayPlays
    @SiebayPlays 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scream is probably waiting for Viper to disappear so it doesn't have to be the not-as-good little brother.

  • @mrfool2319
    @mrfool2319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    An Axis coaster next to X2 = Magic Mountain world Domination

  • @Not_Cruzin475
    @Not_Cruzin475 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1. Sell Goliath for scraps
    2. Put a Mack hyper in Goliath’s plot
    3. Retire Vyper, but add a memorial
    4. Please just put a Intiman prefab there SF.

  • @mickealwise3342
    @mickealwise3342 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Viper isn’t going anywhere anytime soon especially coming off a pandemic stricken season.

  • @stevenstice6683
    @stevenstice6683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'll still say it will get a Morgan retrack like Steel Phantom did. Scream can get replaced by an S&S hyper like Steel Curtain (relocate Scream to another park first.

  • @zero116
    @zero116 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hope viper doesn't leave. It is one of my favorites at the park

  • @adrenalinecentral5929
    @adrenalinecentral5929 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for pushing all this content out over the past couple days, man. Kudos.

  • @jaydenchrist6152
    @jaydenchrist6152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I rode Viper On Monday and I say dont get rid of it sure its janky but what do you expect from an arrow. I like this ride and its definitely a good supporting coaster for the park instead do what they did to Phantoms Revenge and get Chance Rides to redo it.

  • @hedgehogcoasters7239
    @hedgehogcoasters7239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When he said there's one more coaster that would be great at this park, I thought mack spinning coaster. Six flags and mack haven't really worked together, but imagine a ride like time traveler on the west coast

  • @blizzmuzic
    @blizzmuzic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I would love to see a Pinfari inverting coaster similar to the one that operated at Knotts, but a Hopkins looper would be nice.

    • @OakViewFilms
      @OakViewFilms 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Knott's had a Pinfari? That's news to me.

  • @BryanVGK23
    @BryanVGK23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    First coaster I rode at magic mountain, always made it a tradition to ride it first in every visit.

  • @HangtimeThrills
    @HangtimeThrills 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Nothing because all arrows need to stay

    • @colecolecrisp
      @colecolecrisp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I would probably cry if Loch Ness Monster at my home park was removed

    • @RockyandTuck
      @RockyandTuck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cole Menteer Busch Gardens Williamsburg is my home Park and Loch Ness Monster is among my favorite roller coasters of all time!

    • @colecolecrisp
      @colecolecrisp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rocky Tuck I personally I think verbolten is the best at the park. When it’s not broken down.

    • @RockyandTuck
      @RockyandTuck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cole Menteer Verbolten is great. It's third best in the park in my ranking. Of all 53 roller coasters I've been on, Verbolten ranks 11th, and Loch Ness Monster ranks 3rd. Alpengeist is 2nd though! I didn't know Verbolten was unreliable. Every time I go, all the roller coasters are up and running, or maybe I'm just lucky.

  • @brianmacdonald7297
    @brianmacdonald7297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's worth considering Viper's two brothers and what replaced them: Shockwave was replaced with a B&M flyer, and Great American Scream Machine was replaced with a B&M stand-up....so, uh, never mind. Put in an Axis!

  • @AnthonysMajesty
    @AnthonysMajesty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really hope this never closes, maybe changing the pacing or something would help for the second half. I feel like simply adding new colours or touch ups will bring much more attention to it, when I wasn’t an enthusiast the reasons why I usually wouldn’t go on it was bc of how far it was from the other rides, but now I make sure to ride it every time and I’ve brought other family members to it and it’s now one of their favourite coasters.

  • @vaughngallagher9296
    @vaughngallagher9296 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s sad that all of these Arrow coasters are getting removed, but I understand that they’re old and cost more to take care of than what it’s worth

  • @619Fishing
    @619Fishing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imo a hyper Mack would absolutely be the best option. Price is an issues but god it would be perfect. We need another coaster breaking the 200ft mark as well

  • @urbex_coasters
    @urbex_coasters 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's possible it could get the Phantom's Revenge treatment. Certainly big enough they could get a good ride out of it for a really good price as they wouldn't need any sort of new mechanics, as it keeps the lift hill, break run, and some track for things like the drop.

  • @Silacide
    @Silacide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:00 - 0:02
    me: *gets flashbacks to the headbang trauma*

  • @davidpiepmeyer1689
    @davidpiepmeyer1689 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think a Mack multi launch would fit well. Something like helix at Liseberg. It cost about 22 million in US dollars. You would have to make it more compact but it's definitely reasonable

  • @lulzderp3073
    @lulzderp3073 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Viper is the ride that made me love coasters. May not be a perfect ride with all the coaster advancements in the last 30 years and may not nearly be the best ride at SFMM but it's got a grit I can never get enough of. RIP to my best friend to who took me to Six Flags once because he had an extra ticket. I hadn't been on serious coasters before so he thought I would be a lightweight. I made him go on Viper four times in a row and he was the one begging for mercy! I've got my own season pass this year and I'm going to rider Viper as much as possible before MM phases it out.

  • @jonathanthomas6191
    @jonathanthomas6191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's like buying a birthday present for someone who already has everything.

    • @seanlewis1148
      @seanlewis1148 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wouldn't go THAT far....Magic Mountain doesn't have A GIGA OR FULL CIRCUIT STRATA.....BUT, as LONG AS it is under the Shi*...... I mean, Sux.......DAMMIT......I MEEEAAAN....Six Flags banner, that will never happen.

    • @jonathanthomas6191
      @jonathanthomas6191 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@seanlewis1148 Right. They aren't going to go big. (and let's be honest, stratas aren't flying off the shelves) They've got similar experiences for every option in the video except a raptor or water coaster, but I don't feel those are great replacements. They probably wouldn't get me to visit anymore than I already do.

  • @ItsaMii
    @ItsaMii 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congrats on almost 50K subs! love the content!

  • @notbobthebuilder3109
    @notbobthebuilder3109 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They better not replace it this ride is so much better than it used to be. One of my go to when I go to six flags. This is nostalgia and a great rollercoaster.

  • @me-myself-i787
    @me-myself-i787 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't think they'd get an Axis. They're probably quite unreliable, and they are no more versatile than a regular floorless coaster. Think about it: Axis can turn a straight drop into a twisted one... Or you could have a regular twisted drop. Axis can turn straight track into a heartline roll... Or you could have a regular heartline roll. The only advantage Axis has is you can't look at the track ahead and see what's coming up. But when it gets rough, that'll be a disadvantage.
    I think, since they need a punchy launch coaster, they could either get a Vekoma LSM launch coaster or an S&S Compressed Air launch coaster. If they want a gimmick, they could make a Vekoma Tilt coaster with an LSM launch to make the drop feel more punchy, aswell as a more powerful one later in the layout. Obviously, they'd get a large-scale one.
    Edit: Although, if they're willing to splurge a bit, a Mack Xtreme Spinner would be great. Maybe they could build the world's first hyper-spinner, unless Project Exodus claims that title. And Mack Xtreme Spinners have great launches.
    Edit 2: A VEKOMA Bermuda Blitz could break the inversion record. That would be marketable. But I think it might be a bit redundant with Scream.

  • @brybryguy6314
    @brybryguy6314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If six flags does take it down. It will be an end to an era the end of Arrows greatest mega loopers. Viper is the only one still left. I live and grown up in Philadelphia region and I was soo sadden to see Great American Scream Machine go.

  • @GrimSoulBanisher
    @GrimSoulBanisher 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If Magic Mountain updated the trains on Viper, with new, more comfortable restraints, I could see it lasting a lot longer and bringing people back to it. But if they go for the small sit down inverter, they could do a 2 for 1 on the plot and drop a Big Dipper in there too. They'll exceed the plot a bit, but they have places to extend a bit into the trees towards the rapids out out over the courtyard in front of the ride entrance. Two new rides, side by side, would definitely be a workable marketing campaign.

  • @griffdale1556
    @griffdale1556 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having just ridden this monstrosity yesterday, I respect your opinion on most rides, just not Viper. I think I walked away with a concussion and a broken neck, I’ll never ride it again.

  • @Trentin_Halp
    @Trentin_Halp 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing is better than night time rides on el Toro in the back. Did that on Saturday last week and ohh you have to be there.

  • @bobbysteele7640
    @bobbysteele7640 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the Axis coaster is the best option but I do hold out hope that Six Flags (a chain that needs inexpensive options) and Vekoma (a manufacturer that needs redemption in the US market) can do future business

  • @PeckiePeck
    @PeckiePeck 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I frequented Magic Mountain in the 90's and it's a sign of the times indeed that Viper is a guaranteed walk-on.

    • @SDMev1982
      @SDMev1982 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember when it came out in the early 90’s and we went it was like THE thing to go on. The line was about 3 hours long.

  • @EtherealProject3D
    @EtherealProject3D 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember going there in the late 90s and the line to Viper was always packed. Sad to see such a great ride loose its popularity.

  • @blakebetsworth9869
    @blakebetsworth9869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the idea of a Vekoma blitz model, honestly, they could mimic the original layout of Viper with modern elements and transitions. That way the spirit of Viper lives on for more generations to enjoy. The thing is way too iconic to close the book on its legacy once and for all.

  • @thunderthrills2318
    @thunderthrills2318 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the title freaked me out because i thought I missed some closure annoucement

    • @AirtimeThrills
      @AirtimeThrills  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This series is for the recently departed or for rides I think will be gone soon

  • @rcb3000
    @rcb3000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Viper. I would love to see it thrive as long as possible. I was sad to see Great American Scream Machine go. Literally shed a tear. But I really do believe the best idea out of these would be that last one, the Vekoma looping blitz. Imagine “Viper 2.0” basically. Perhaps a somewhat similar yet more modern layout. Having the height with many inversions (especially at least one tall vertical loop for the memory) and a bunch of forceful turns and air hills here abs there. That’d be lit!!

  • @MrBlonday
    @MrBlonday 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The last couple times I've been to magic mountain, viper has been closed and I get bummed out, I really love this ride. It's so cool, and that first drop sitting in the back is freaking insane. And for people who complain about it being an ear banger, just lean your head with the rides turns and itll be smoother

  • @kolbyhill8121
    @kolbyhill8121 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That ride was fun, I rode it twice in July last year and I enjoyed it

  • @jordandavenport1073
    @jordandavenport1073 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Viper can't be replaced. Its a classic, has so much character, and is quite thrilling in some ways.

  • @xcoasterenthusiast
    @xcoasterenthusiast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:30 and Scream because of it being so far back at a dead end. Plus, I'm sure Sansei will allow Vekoma to build next gen coasters in the US as S&S already built several coasters in Asia.

  • @ajhummel9187
    @ajhummel9187 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't see Viper going anywhere in the near future, but I know previously the park has been extremely reluctant to replace it unless they can get another statement coaster. Therefore, I'm thinking one of the following:
    1. B&M Dive Coaster, likely the largest in the world, and possibly giga sized.
    2. Something from S&S, either a large pneumatically launched coaster or a multi-looper in the same vein as Steel Curtain. While an Axis is possible, I'm not sure that's going to be a large enough ride to replace Viper.
    3. Record-breaking Mack of some sort.
    All of these are well outside of Six Flags's usual budget, but given the flagship status of SFMM I could potentially see them happening. However, such a project is likely 5+ years in the future.

  • @twister27
    @twister27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE Viper! I’ve only been to MM twice. The first time I rode it was in like 2015 3rd car (I’m a back rower), and they had all the trims on so I wasn’t impressed. However, I got to go back November 2019, and it was hauling! Barely any mid course brakes, no head banging, and no line. Rode it like 4 times.

  • @CrazyDash9
    @CrazyDash9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My top 3 dream coasters for vipers spot:
    1. B&M or Intamin Giga
    2. Mack Hyper
    3. Intamin Prefab
    Something you can also consider is land over roaring rapids which they can simply build over. The park could also build over the entrance area.
    Now a giga is just a wild dream. The west coast badly needs one. If six flags bought an Intamin giga I would go insane. It could maybe fit if it had some of the extensions I mentioned. A mack hyper could work really well here. It could have a curved drop like dc rivals and goes over the entrance. I would want it to focus on intensity just like rivals. Not a hyper looping coaster like the one in China. You got me intrigued of the idea of a prefab. Although highly unlikely, that would be an insane addition. It could have a layout kinda like el toro but more compact with a similar intensity level as el toro. An axis would be cool too but we still don’t know what they are fully capable of in terms of layout. I personally don’t want to see a dive coaster. They just don’t look that exciting. Too slow paced and very poor pacing. Except it would draw in the gp since they’re all over dive coasters. Imagine a hyper or fairly big vekoma being added. That could make for a fantastic ride. And they’re much cheaper compared to larger coaster manufacturers. It could have a lot of potential. So yeah those are my thoughts.

  • @scottyjbd
    @scottyjbd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The first time I went to SFMM I was too short to ride Viper and wasn’t stuffing socks in my shoes yet. Very disappointing for a huge Step By Step fan. Went back maybe 2 years later and got to ride. That first ride terrified me, the lift hill just went on and on. Luckily the lift hill is the toughest part. It was Easily my favorite coaster but only for the briefest period until I rode Magnum a few months later. Had I not made it to Cedar Point so young, it probably would’ve stayed my favorite for years to come. What a creation.

  • @InsanityContainmentz
    @InsanityContainmentz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think it would make perfect sense to put to weird and wacky rides next to each other it fits maybe they could even give them both a story that ties in with the other, something like the smiler and oblivion

  • @ImCooks
    @ImCooks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The biggest hole in the lineup of magic mountain is floater airtime. They have so many rides that focus on aggressive inversions and ejector airtime but nothing thrilling but graceful. They could totally fit the most unique B&M hyper to date if they want to spend the money on it. Now that we have real reason to believe the Knott's giga is a real possibility, they are going to need another investment soon. They could run the lift hill similar to viper now, then turnaround and run the hyper out and back behind revolution. Dominator at Carowinds fits between revolution and the service road behind it. Then they have all the space where viper is now to add a good twister ending to the hyper. They could even have the first traditional hyper to have an inverting twister section if they wanted something to make it more marketable. This may be a pipe dream, but it is totally possible and may be warranted with the competition in the surrounding areas.

  • @oldmrfeastchannel2687
    @oldmrfeastchannel2687 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Kinda Lowkey want a wing coaster

    • @badgerstatecoasters7725
      @badgerstatecoasters7725 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well that's unlikely bcuz Six Flags hasn't worked with B&M in a long time

    • @ducksfan_1149
      @ducksfan_1149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Taylor suggested a wing that would thread the Full Throttle loop a few years ago. it’s a dream, but that would be perfect.

    • @CrazyDash9
      @CrazyDash9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ducksfan_1149 but where would you fit the rest of the layout? Unless you remove gold rusher

    • @ducksfan_1149
      @ducksfan_1149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      CrazyDash Yt like I said, it’s a pipe dream.

    • @Koasterking212
      @Koasterking212 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would fit perfectly, especially since there aren’t any wing coasters on the west coast

  • @MichaelN77
    @MichaelN77 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, don't touch Viper! Track replacement only! Maybe some third-generation Arrow Looper trains (Drachen Fire style) with some kind of lapbar restraint would be nice also.I guess if we have to let Viper go an S&S hyper looper like Steel Curtain would be acceptable replacement. Boomerang Chris, this an Arrow coaster not a B&M. The only Arrow that had a "Batwing" was Drachen Fire. Also on Arrow coasters, the Corkscrew element is singular, not plural, so you just saw "corkscrew". You can also say a corkscrew (element with) two inversions.

  • @Cupcake_445
    @Cupcake_445 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like this ride and I hope it doesn’t get taken down. They just gotta renovate it.

  • @WhatAG23
    @WhatAG23 ปีที่แล้ว

    I could see a long skinny B&M Dive now that they’re working with B&M again for another more standard and modern looper

  • @mrprobro522
    @mrprobro522 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly I would not want to see Viper leave SFMM. I think the best option for it would be to just replace the over the shoulder restraints with lap bars and this would be a fantastic experience for everyone. I also think SFMM should consider disabling the midcourse break run on Viper. The midcourse break run on viper is both a good and bad thing, the pro of the midcourse it that you take the elements slow enough to give hangtime but the con is that it kills the speed and aside from the inversions none of the other elements in the 2nd half really stand out. I think the inversions in the 2nd half of Viper would be very whippy and snappy if the midcourse break run was disabled. In fact I think without the midcourse break run the batwing in the 2nd half could have the power that Montus batwing has. And I think the turns in the 2nd half would also likely give great laterals since they are barely banked. I also think there are a couple hills in the 2nd half that could give airtime if the midcourse break run was disabled. But I think in order for the midcourse to be disabled on this SFMM would have to replace the over the shoulder restraints with lap bars otherwise the batwing and corkscrews would likely have lots of head banging.

  • @SingleRiderReak
    @SingleRiderReak 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great idea for a replacement is S&S's new looping coaster (like Steel Curtain at Kennywood). It could at least take the North American inversion record, but the high pricing and maintenance issues can really be a turn-down point.

  • @samuelskarin653
    @samuelskarin653 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A S&S Axis Coaster or an Intamin Pre-fab sound like great options. A B&M dive would be cool, especially if it had the lift was in the same position as Viper and it did a 180 degree turn and did the hold before the drop! But like you said, not extremely marketable in socal.

  • @nikolairodriguez9088
    @nikolairodriguez9088 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nothing will ever replace this beast of a ride it honestly made me feel like i was on the tail of a viper going in for the kill something i can honestly say no ride has made me feel before yeah tatsu is noice you feel like a dragoon but nothing compares to viper and the pure characteristics of the theme of it and the way the ride delivered with all its whipping turns and violent loops (never understood why people complained about pain).