Even if you evacuate the facility, you never meet any of the Institute personnel in the commonwealth. It's a choice and never know if its successful or not.
The biggest thing here, Des pulls a (what we like to call) a "Delphine". Making us choose sides like that from such a naive perspective? Bottom line, what makes a faction what it is, it all depends on who leads them. After General Becker died, Minutemen fell apart. Maxon at the helm of the Brotherhood, they're on a path of conquest & tyranny. And Railroad, well that speaks for itself. If the player aka Vault Dweller keeps on being an effective leader, the Minutemen can be great again. It's all about who leads them.
This is why I hate the railroad, the only care about a bunch of robots and they have the resources to help the commonwealth but instead use it on robots.
Depends on how you look at it. There's a lot of evidence in the game that suggests that synths aren't just robots, but rather just people with synth components. The problem with the Railroad is that it's way too obsessed with helping them, and they give no damns about the Commonwealth and its inhabinats who are not synths
That's exactly it in a nutshell. The Railroad cares more about synths than they do about the citizens of the Commonwealth. You just heard it from Desdemona herself.
@@NPipiniko that's the problem , there's no how u look at it . they'll sacrifice humans and human resources for machines . yes there's the case of free will when almost perfectly resembling humans and i agree they do deserve free will instead of slavery but it's not the issue to be focusing on when so many are struggling in the commonwealth , especially when u can stop that machines struggles by literally putting him to sleep like a computer sleep mode
@@consciencexp116 Brotherhood kills the scientists because they're there to kill, Railroad kills them because they enslave synths, Minutemen kill them because they run into every crossfire they see.
If you were some _random_ Minuteman, then her fears make sense. However, as Decon notes in your very first meeting with the Railroad (assuming you didn't make a beeline straight for them at the start of the game lol), Desdamona _already knows_ that you are the *leader* of the Minutemen. If there's ANYONE best placed to change hearts and minds of the average Commonwealth citizens on Synths, it's the Player Character. And with that in mind, Desdamona's comments make no tactical sense. The Railroad have great intel, the Minutemen have great manpower. The General of the Minutemen making a secret alliance with the Railroad would do a lot to protect the people of the Commonwealth from Institute kidnappings etc.
@@henryviiifake8244 Well the Minutemen is open for an alliance with the Railroad merely because they are good people. But the Railroad would let a human die if it would make a synth slightly more comfortable. Their allegiance would be due to having no better options.
@@henryviiifake8244 Yeah, Bethesda could've added a few more lines of code for when you've actually successfully become the General before meeting Desdemona. They did so with Deacon.
As i) the _General_ of the Minutemen (literally their leader), ii) the Railroad's top agent, *and* iii) the ONLY non-Institute person to get into the Institute and make it back alive, Desdamona has an *incredible* lack of faith in your ability - as _General of the Minutemen_ - to get the Minutemen to be more accommodating of Synths. It would be like having a KGB agent as President of the USA, but the agent's handler getting cold feet that they won't write up an Executive Order. It would make a lot more sense for the Minutemen, who have the manpower and resources, and the Railroad - who know the Institute better than the BoS or Minitemen - to secretly team up to take down the Institute. I.e. Using the Railroad's extensive intel, the Commonwealth could be better prepared to fight back against the Institute. Some of Fallout 4's writing was straight up 💩, and this was definitely one of those moments.
sometimes diplomacy isnt always an option, sometimes people just hate each other and theres not much we can do kinda like how in fallout 4 the sole survivor wishes they had more time and no things just happen out of their control so perhaps it works
Yes, it would be better, but trust me that kind of too trusting stuff wont happen, especially knowing you, who is the Generalnof Minutemen, is also a part of BoS (or have a cminimal contact with them)
Me was already planning something like this in a fanfic because the institute is so much worst and the fact the railroad only sees liberation of the synths but no reality for acceptance and integration as they are speaks volumes .
This is my favorite story route to RP in my playthroughs. Play as the Railroad Join the BOS as a Railroad spy Join the Institute as a Railroad spy FAIL the Synth Revolution and kicked out of the Institute >Locks the Railroad from being the ones to save the Commonwealth, literally the game tells you to find the Minutemen Find Preston Minutemen playthrough from there on out
Funny enough, if you fail the synth revolution mission, the railroad is completely locked out of being the ones to be the endgame faction + defeat the institute since youre locked out and actually ASKS you to find the last minutemen (preston, if you havent saved him in Concord) to take on the Institute as their army is big enough to do so.
Railroad blowing up the only facility that heal synths is the biggest WTF. Railroad should have done what Roger Maxon did and murked all the "EVIL" scientists. All options leading to the destruction of the Institute is the biggest F-up from Bethesda, wish we could get a retcon DLC.
I don't like Desdemona cockiness, she undermines the Minutemen just because the Commonwealth folks are afraid of Synths, and rightfully so. You can't easily prove the point thar Synths are good and actually sentient people with free will if the reason they exists is replacing people. Some Synths wants to escape but others are literally there to do the institute's bidding and you can never tell if you are in danger or not, Desdemona is really arrogant to think that Commonwealth folks have no reason to dislike Synths.
oh im sure shes aware of the dangers, but they MOST synths arent dangerous, for instance look at valentine, hes a synth and he hasnt done much, and im sure we all know by now the twist with a certain paladin and he isnt dangerous either
@@iloveowls90 I know, but most people don't know Valentine or Danse, you do. You also meet Synths like Art that are there to replace someone that's what most people know about synths. It's a grey area but it's easier to put fear into people and make them despise something rather than the other way, which is exactly what the institute goal is, it's not the folks of the Commonwealth being rotten for reacting negatively to a possible danger. I am all for helping Synth as it's not their fault individually, it's the institute's fault, but it's still pretty delusional that Desdemona expects everyone to share her ideals with all that is happening.
@@iloveowls90 To give some benefit to Valentine, he's a missing link between Gen 2 and Gen 3 Synths. And he visibly looks mechanical - the _real_ fear of Synths that the Commonwealth holds is that of those that look so indistinguishable from actual humans that they can replace _anyone_ they want. Valentine can't do that, plus he's earned a great deal of goodwill with the people of Diamond City, so he's tolerated.
I won't lie between that dialogue and her choice to betray patriot, I lost every possible respect for desdemona she's no better than the Institute nor the brotherhood in her actions, hell I consider the railroad ending as the evilest ending in fo4 with the brotherhood ending close behind
Saying the Railroad ending is more evil than then Brothehood is a little far fetched, you are right about Desdemona though she ain't innocent in the slightest but the Brotherhood walks in the institute with the goal of slaughtering everyone, synth or human.
The railroad should not be a major faction but instead a minor one which could be mixed with a Major faction, like minutemen+the railroad or the institute+the railroad. But instead you can only choose between helping every one from the comonwealth or 13 to 30 synths
I kill off the railroad in every play through, even in a good play through, I can’t stand them. There are 100% the worst faction to finish the game with.
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer definitely, synth shaun was forced upon you in a few of the faction endings in fo4, it’s so difficult to do a bad karma play through.
@@YaMrsisGopping exactly With the institute ending, Sean should give a option to either deactivate synth sean or keep it, especially since he sees synths as tools, it makes zero sense that he forces it on you
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer yh defo, fo4 is one of my favourite games but some aspects of the story just don’t make sense to me, I don’t understand how these issues are some prominent in the game when New Vegas was made beforehand so many things could have been borrowed from that game.
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer The Railroad see synth Shaun as a real person, of course they're not gonna let him be blown to smitherines. Out of all things to criticize the Railroad for, choosing this one specifically is weird.
When I destroyed the institute with the Minutemen I made sure to only kill synths, sparing the human scientists and triggering the evacuation alarm.
Really?
I went in with the Brotherhood and they just commit Genocide, shooting everything that moves 💀
Even if you evacuate the facility, you never meet any of the Institute personnel in the commonwealth. It's a choice and never know if its successful or not.
@@oblivexx you do, if you destroy them with the Minutemen you find a group that you can invite to one of your settlements
I'm wondering if I left the Institute intact by not hitting the Nuclear Option button would that make me an enemy of the BoS?
Wow man thanks so much for sharing this info
The biggest thing here, Des pulls a (what we like to call) a "Delphine". Making us choose sides like that from such a naive perspective?
Bottom line, what makes a faction what it is, it all depends on who leads them. After General Becker died, Minutemen fell apart.
Maxon at the helm of the Brotherhood, they're on a path of conquest & tyranny. And Railroad, well that speaks for itself.
If the player aka Vault Dweller keeps on being an effective leader, the Minutemen can be great again. It's all about who leads them.
This is why I hate the railroad, the only care about a bunch of robots and they have the resources to help the commonwealth but instead use it on robots.
Depends on how you look at it. There's a lot of evidence in the game that suggests that synths aren't just robots, but rather just people with synth components. The problem with the Railroad is that it's way too obsessed with helping them, and they give no damns about the Commonwealth and its inhabinats who are not synths
Goddamn synth nazis
That's exactly it in a nutshell. The Railroad cares more about synths than they do about the citizens of the Commonwealth. You just heard it from Desdemona herself.
@@NPipiniko that's the problem , there's no how u look at it . they'll sacrifice humans and human resources for machines . yes there's the case of free will when almost perfectly resembling humans and i agree they do deserve free will instead of slavery but it's not the issue to be focusing on when so many are struggling in the commonwealth , especially when u can stop that machines struggles by literally putting him to sleep like a computer sleep mode
and they’re very suspicious of anything that doesn’t follow their personal plans
She's not wrong to think like that but Minutemen don't act barbarous during the attack into the Institute
@@consciencexp116 Brotherhood kills the scientists because they're there to kill, Railroad kills them because they enslave synths, Minutemen kill them because they run into every crossfire they see.
If you were some _random_ Minuteman, then her fears make sense. However, as Decon notes in your very first meeting with the Railroad (assuming you didn't make a beeline straight for them at the start of the game lol), Desdamona _already knows_ that you are the *leader* of the Minutemen.
If there's ANYONE best placed to change hearts and minds of the average Commonwealth citizens on Synths, it's the Player Character. And with that in mind, Desdamona's comments make no tactical sense.
The Railroad have great intel, the Minutemen have great manpower. The General of the Minutemen making a secret alliance with the Railroad would do a lot to protect the people of the Commonwealth from Institute kidnappings etc.
@@henryviiifake8244 Well the Minutemen is open for an alliance with the Railroad merely because they are good people. But the Railroad would let a human die if it would make a synth slightly more comfortable. Their allegiance would be due to having no better options.
@@consciencexp116 But my Minutemen Don't.
@@henryviiifake8244 Yeah, Bethesda could've added a few more lines of code for when you've actually successfully become the General before meeting Desdemona. They did so with Deacon.
"how dare the minute men prioritize flesh toasters over humans!"
As i) the _General_ of the Minutemen (literally their leader), ii) the Railroad's top agent, *and* iii) the ONLY non-Institute person to get into the Institute and make it back alive, Desdamona has an *incredible* lack of faith in your ability - as _General of the Minutemen_ - to get the Minutemen to be more accommodating of Synths.
It would be like having a KGB agent as President of the USA, but the agent's handler getting cold feet that they won't write up an Executive Order.
It would make a lot more sense for the Minutemen, who have the manpower and resources, and the Railroad - who know the Institute better than the BoS or Minitemen - to secretly team up to take down the Institute. I.e. Using the Railroad's extensive intel, the Commonwealth could be better prepared to fight back against the Institute.
Some of Fallout 4's writing was straight up 💩, and this was definitely one of those moments.
sometimes diplomacy isnt always an option, sometimes people just hate each other and theres not much we can do kinda like how in fallout 4 the sole survivor wishes they had more time and no things just happen out of their control so perhaps it works
Like the NCR and the brotherhood of steel in new vegas
Yes, it would be better, but trust me that kind of too trusting stuff wont happen, especially knowing you, who is the Generalnof Minutemen, is also a part of BoS (or have a cminimal contact with them)
Me was already planning something like this in a fanfic because the institute is so much worst and the fact the railroad only sees liberation of the synths but no reality for acceptance and integration as they are speaks volumes .
This is my favorite story route to RP in my playthroughs.
Play as the Railroad
Join the BOS as a Railroad spy
Join the Institute as a Railroad spy
FAIL the Synth Revolution and kicked out of the Institute
>Locks the Railroad from being the ones to save the Commonwealth, literally the game tells you to find the Minutemen
Find Preston
Minutemen playthrough from there on out
She should have a sit-down with Nick Valentine and hear his story...
I help both humans AND synths.
I hated how we couldn’t make a proper alliance with The Railroad and The Minutemen, they’re both morally aligned.
Funny enough, if you fail the synth revolution mission, the railroad is completely locked out of being the ones to be the endgame faction + defeat the institute since youre locked out and actually ASKS you to find the last minutemen (preston, if you havent saved him in Concord) to take on the Institute as their army is big enough to do so.
Railroad blowing up the only facility that heal synths is the biggest WTF. Railroad should have done what Roger Maxon did and murked all the "EVIL" scientists. All options leading to the destruction of the Institute is the biggest F-up from Bethesda, wish we could get a retcon DLC.
🗣️DESDEMONA!
The Minutemen doesn't act any Barbaric actions Desdemona they wanted to rebuild a settlement even the BOS the genocide act
I don't like Desdemona cockiness, she undermines the Minutemen just because the Commonwealth folks are afraid of Synths, and rightfully so.
You can't easily prove the point thar Synths are good and actually sentient people with free will if the reason they exists is replacing people. Some Synths wants to escape but others are literally there to do the institute's bidding and you can never tell if you are in danger or not, Desdemona is really arrogant to think that Commonwealth folks have no reason to dislike Synths.
oh im sure shes aware of the dangers, but they MOST synths arent dangerous, for instance look at valentine, hes a synth and he hasnt done much, and im sure we all know by now the twist with a certain paladin and he isnt dangerous either
@@iloveowls90 I know, but most people don't know Valentine or Danse, you do.
You also meet Synths like Art that are there to replace someone that's what most people know about synths. It's a grey area but it's easier to put fear into people and make them despise something rather than the other way, which is exactly what the institute goal is, it's not the folks of the Commonwealth being rotten for reacting negatively to a possible danger.
I am all for helping Synth as it's not their fault individually, it's the institute's fault, but it's still pretty delusional that Desdemona expects everyone to share her ideals with all that is happening.
@@iloveowls90 To give some benefit to Valentine, he's a missing link between Gen 2 and Gen 3 Synths. And he visibly looks mechanical - the _real_ fear of Synths that the Commonwealth holds is that of those that look so indistinguishable from actual humans that they can replace _anyone_ they want. Valentine can't do that, plus he's earned a great deal of goodwill with the people of Diamond City, so he's tolerated.
I won't lie between that dialogue and her choice to betray patriot, I lost every possible respect for desdemona she's no better than the Institute nor the brotherhood in her actions, hell I consider the railroad ending as the evilest ending in fo4 with the brotherhood ending close behind
Saying the Railroad ending is more evil than then Brothehood is a little far fetched, you are right about Desdemona though she ain't innocent in the slightest but the Brotherhood walks in the institute with the goal of slaughtering everyone, synth or human.
The railroad should not be a major faction but instead a minor one which could be mixed with a Major faction, like minutemen+the railroad or the institute+the railroad. But instead you can only choose between helping every one from the comonwealth or 13 to 30 synths
The Institute and the Minutemen working together would save the Commonwealth
I kill off the railroad in every play through, even in a good play through, I can’t stand them. There are 100% the worst faction to finish the game with.
Exactly, especially since they rescue synth sean regardless in the end
They should respect the SS wishes by leaving it to be destroyed
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer definitely, synth shaun was forced upon you in a few of the faction endings in fo4, it’s so difficult to do a bad karma play through.
@@YaMrsisGopping exactly
With the institute ending, Sean should give a option to either deactivate synth sean or keep it, especially since he sees synths as tools, it makes zero sense that he forces it on you
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer yh defo, fo4 is one of my favourite games but some aspects of the story just don’t make sense to me, I don’t understand how these issues are some prominent in the game when New Vegas was made beforehand so many things could have been borrowed from that game.
@@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer The Railroad see synth Shaun as a real person, of course they're not gonna let him be blown to smitherines. Out of all things to criticize the Railroad for, choosing this one specifically is weird.
Why does he look like Lemmy Kilminster?
The lamest faction ten railroad 😂
FN clowns
Railroad is the best faction
L opinion