@@user-kiwikind If foreign nationals in Australia dont take out citizenship then deportation is the risk they run when they commit a crime. If parents on a PR take out citizenship then any baby born to them in Australia is considered to be an Australian citizen by birth. If they dont take out citizenship then that child automatically goes onto the same visa as its parents. Once a child reaches 10 and has lived here all that time they automatically qualify for citizenship only need to apply for it. Just out of curiosity if Australia got involved in a war and conscription was introduced would these legal New Zealanders play the "that dosent apply to me card" - pretty sure that they would and probably be the first in line for a flight across the ditch. If those kiwis that have lived in this country for many years (some of them for most of their lives) cant fully commit by taking out citizenship then why should Australia be obliged to treat them differently from any other foreign national that breaks the law ?
@@user-kiwikind How about we rip up the open borders arrangement so we can filter out potential criminals from NZ who want to move here? This open border agreement benefits New Zealanders far more than it benefits Australians.
He looks about 25 years old, she played him off a break. Especially when he was trying to make her comment on NZ domestic politics and its decisions around AUKUS, no foreign minister is going to make remarks about that, someone older than 25 wouldnt have wasted valuable time asking that
@@stewatparkpark2933 he seems quite proficient, but he is up against the Wonga Tron, she was first a minister in 2007. I didnt see him get very far, she is a tough customer but he did ok on the deportation I suppose
Our country is far less safer thanks to Australia’s policies. As well it is less smart as the bulk of our young hard working talent with ambition go to Australia where theyre not wasted and paid less. The ones set to inherit wealth with a decent job stay, or the long term beneficiaries. My Maori mum has ten siblings, the top two are multi millionaires as baby boomers they purchased cheap property in the 80s, 90s seeing what was going to happen. The middle lot work factories in Aussie and that made them comfortable multiple home owners and holiday takers. The bottom three a life on welfare in NZ. No wonder why we’re 66th on the world GDP PPP , in 1979 we were 6th. If we keep falling it becomes a spiral that becomes harder to return from.
Jack, Labour is not the current NZ government, so why all the questions about Labour or what Mr Little thinks? Seems a bit odd-unless you’re just that focused on Labour?
He definitely pulled his punches huh! I can imagine he has to be careful when interviewing foreign diplomats though. They're here to negotiate with our ministers.. saying somethingc publically with too much substance could impact negotiations.
Or that she simply want going to answer - her saying that they only deal W the govt of today, passing the buck onto others isn't a sign of intelligence rather it indicates deception. But go off
As a Kiwi, the 501 argument is dumb. If we had thousands of Samoans that had come here at 2 years old and were committing crimes, we wouldn't blink in sending them back, and that policy would have broad support among NZers. If we want to benefit from the free movement between NZ and Aus (that in itself is a discussion to be had, given it's a massive net drain from our population), then we have to accept that just as easy as we can go over there, we can get 'sent back', regardless of whether you move there when you're 50 or 2 years old
The 501s who were raised in Australia...only the raw materials for them are from NZ. Those raw materials were taken and formed into criminals by Australia. Australian-made. He asked how it can be responsible to deport people who've lived their lives in Australia, to a country they have no connection to. The answer is: Because it's convenient. It's not sensible or just, but their criminal creations turned out to be a problem so they fob them off onto the place the raw materials came from, much like suing Oz because the frying pan made with Tiwai aluminium developed a hole, and the bauxite came from Darling Range.
Australia does not form people into criminals. If someone lives in a country with all of the welfare benefits and opportunities of Australia and still chooses to turn to crime, that's a choice they've made themselves. If someone is living in Australia for a long time and won't formally commit to being an Australian, then they have chosen to put themselves in a position where they can be deported.
@@bluekoala4382 I didn't say "Australia forms people into criminals." I said these criminals are Australian-made. They were certainly not developed in NZ. Deporting people who have grown up in Australia, worked and contributed in Australia, been a part of the fabric of Australian society their whole lives, is just a convenient way to get rid of a person who was formed in Australia and turned out to be a bad egg...the only difference between a 501 and an Australian-born criminal, is the place of birth. "...won't formally commit to being an Australian". Direct (post four-years) Australian citizenship has only recently been made an option for NZ-born people, whereas a post five-year NZ citizenship has been possible for Australians all along. People living their whole lives in a country not of their birth, may assume they are citizens already. It's probable that the question of citizenship doesn't even enter their minds. How often does the average person question their citizenship as they go about living their day-to-day lives? There are many examples of people being surprised when it's time to retire and claim retirement benefits, only to find they're not citizens. It happens in the US, Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada...everywhere. Australia is deporting people that are _essentially Australian,_ because it's cheaper than putting them in Australian jails, with the excuse that the raw materials for that person came from another country. It's a cop-out.
@@bluekoala4382 _Every_ country forms criminals. However, the environment and opportunities in each country define what kind of criminal will develop. The bigger, slicker, and more aggressive environment of Australia develops a bigger, slicker, and more aggressive criminal. There simply hasn't been the environment in NZ to develop a criminal on that level. That's why the arrival of 501s on NZ shores has been so devastating to NZ society. They're wolves let loose in a country that's never had wolves, and is not equipped to handle wolves. How many people going about their business in a country they've lived in all their lives, think about their citizenship? It's not top of mind and, if they do think about it, it is an extremely difficult and lengthy process to become an Australian citizen (whereas 93% of Australians can become NZ citizens within 18 months of applying). Many a person has been caught out come time for retirement when they find out that even though they assumed they were a citizen, they actually weren't. It's a cop-out to look at a criminal that's lived in your country all their life, worked there, contributed and paid taxes there, and say "Oooh, look. They lived the first eight weeks of their life in New Zealand. Isn't that _convenient!"_ And that's all it is - a convenient cop-out. A way to avoid spending taxpayer dollars on yet another criminal that Australian society formed. A way to show _'real'_ Australians that they're being tough on crime. But when you throw something away, it isn't _gone;_ it's just put somewhere else. Just as it's my responsibility to make sure that that Australian-made aluminium can of Fosters gets recycled responsibly in NZ, it's Australia's responsibility to make sure that every Australian-made criminal gets dealt with in the country in which they were cultivated.
Excellent interview Jack. There were no meaningful responses Penny Wong could give to the inhumanity of Australia’s 501 deportation policy, nor to their coal exports. It would have been good to see you go harder on what pillar 2 of Aukus is really about - but you made her squirm. Deservedly so.
How many people going about their business in a country they've lived in all their lives, think about their citizenship? It's not top of mind and, if they do think about it, it is an extremely difficult and lengthy process to become an Australian citizen (whereas 93% of Australians can become NZ citizens within 18 months of applying). Many a person has been caught out come time for retirement when they find out that even though they assumed they were a citizen, they actually weren't.
Jack tame wouldn’t dare ask the coal burning nations of China or India or the larger coal exporting nation Indonesia any questions relating to carbon dioxide emissions. China sanctioned Australian coal for 2 years and increased its consumption. If Australia doesn’t sell it, China still gets it and burns it.
"We know the Pacific region is contested" - hard to accept NZ believes that, or else it would have a proper air force and navy. NZ has bludged off Australia and the US for decades. It has an air force with no combat planes and just two combat navy vessels, which are over 25 years old. NZ should have minimum 24 combat aircraft and 4 modern frigates. It used to have a proper air force and navy, before the hippies took over
Lol if you want join the military move to Aussie young man as NZ 's Navy scuttled manawani without ever firing a shot across the bows of a Chinese fishing vessel.😭
@@ilikevines Most of them have lived there since they were kids...they are a product of your country and how you've failed them. Now you want to dump them back onto us yet most of our graduates move to Australia to stimulate YOUR economy.
Tried her best to say they respect NZ right to decide if they want to join AUKUS, then immediately puts it in a way that we can either participate or observe . Subtle pressure. I noticed Jack never really challenged her on why Australia has gone against the south Pacific's no nukes policy, of which Australia is a signatory.
The policy is about nuclear weapons not nuclear power. Personally as an Aussie I didnt elect a South Pacific government I elected an Australian government and I wish to hell they would stop signing all these Woke agreements with everyone.
@@andrewrosser8909 exactly they will be nuclear powered not nuclear armed. It means they will be able to operate submerged for long periods and will have greater range than conventially powered submarines.
If Australia didn't have an open borders agreement with NZ we would have been able to filter out every future criminal at the visa application stage and it never would have become an issue. Maybe we should just tear the agreement up. The business owners in this country like having more potential laborers they can exploit from NZ but it's just increased house prices and downward pressure on wages for working Australians.
If Australians are stubborn enough about keeping the 501 policy, maybe it would be better to check Visa's instead of spitting up family's, and bringing crime manifested in Australia to Nz. Personally I think the Open borders are good, and Australia should just keep criminals that have lived in Australia for a specific amount of time. Also I just wanted to add that nz does a similar thing to criminals born in some pacific islands, which I don't agree with.
It’s much harder for kiwis to become citizens. Australia enjoys exploiting the fact that we prop up social welfare with our taxes but can’t claim because we aren’t citizens
Any young bucks watching this be ruthess in your path 2 be part of or in position of government and international negotiation about our whenua then u can crack it for our people ☺️😉
Why did Jack Tame not talk over the top of her and demean her (and do his gotcha moment) like he does with our Government ministers? Scared of her was he?
Maybe she is an experienced statesman that is constantly sharing the world stage with other major players I doubt she is going to be intimidated by some journalist she has probably never heard of in NZ.
Or he was told specifically not to, journalists are okay question people and our own ministers as they please - if Jack fucks up and pisses off penny wong the govt will not be pleased and likely neither will the people paying his wages - ig there's a threshold sometimes.
Interesting that they wait for a National government to raise these issues. Australia is not our big brother or our good friend, they have always looked afyer there own interests first.
Any nations government that doesnt look after their own countries interests first should be questioned by the people that they are supposed to be representing..We have no interest in being regarded as NZs big brother and if you guys dont consider Australia as a good friend then why are you even asking us to treat NZ nationals that break the law any differently from other foreign non citizens ?
If New Zealand wants to be prosperous like Australia, you should end freedom of movement. All your brightest come here as the money is better, we have stronger workers protections etc. Is this something kiwis talks about?
Opportunities are better, yes. Housing has gone through the roof over the last 10 years as it has everywhere. Mandatory Super, but comes with a Means Test, plus 67 minimum age retirement. Add to that, you can’t get pension unless both are 67, in N.Z once one partner is 65 the other can get it. And there’s no Means Testing. Similar prices for everything else except fuel, but vehicle insurance is way more expensive in Australia. Must have worked for a minimum of 34 years to get full pension so decisions have to be made by about 33-34 years of age prior to staying and/or going to Australia. As a dual citizen I was contemplating moving back to Australia but it’s just not worth it anymore as the house prices are far too expensive.
255 comments made, only a bare fraction of those comments being allowed to show. Mine aren't showing, and there were no trigger words, nothing offensive. What's Q+A with Jack Tame, and TH-cam's latest logarithmic criteria for obscuring comments, I wonder?
Wow!! Did you hear what she said? .. The pacific is being re-shaped, strategic and economic trade is synchronous, China will no longer be largest trade partner, and that the great power has “made its intentions clear”. Taiwan 2027 people !!
Here a solution to 501s- if you have lived in Australia for more than 10 years or the majority of your life - Get Aussie citizenship to avoid deportation. Too many kiwis in OZ are too comfortable being Kiwi and dont realize you can be a dual citizen for both countries and have the easiest access to aussie citizenship of all nationalities
Rubbish it is harder for kiwis to become citizens than it is for any other immigrants. Australia doesn’t want us to become citizens because it makes it easier to exploit us. Much like the illegal immigrants in the US we prop up the social welfare with our taxes but can’t claim because we aren’t citizens
@@Skybar23 The issue is NZ being lumped with criminals that aren’t of their societies making. The fact you missed the point by so much is testament to your jingoistic ignorant attitude
@@macdac9861 my point clearly went over your head. Firstly If you immigrate to a country and call it your home- your have an OBLIGATION to take up citizenship of that country and not being half arsed about it just because you are granted a special type of visa. There are so many people on student, working , holiday visas stuggling in Australia financially that would die for these SCVs. Secondly you obey the laws and stay out of trouble in whatever country youb eside in . If you cant obey the laws then you deserve to be whatever situation you got yourself into. Again, it comes down to individual responsibilty- the Australian govt isnt forcing you to commit a crime or take up citizenship. Its on YOU regardless where you come from
@ are you being intentionally thick? The complaint isn’t on behalf of the criminals (although your attitude towards that is ignorantly awful as well) the complaint is on behalf of NZ. They grew up in Australia they paid Australian taxes they are Australia’s problem. NZ can’t make them get Australian citizenship, the criminals class are never going to bother with that. NZ don’t want Australian made criminals is the issue not the actions of the criminals themselves
Switzerland is surrounded by nato. Nz is not. Did the people of Tibet or Xinjiang like being colonised? Or the Māori? England was a lot further away from NZ than hostile powers are from NZ now. Switzerland is armed to the teeth. Can NZ afford to do that? Does NZ want to increase defence budget, or share the costs with like minded nations? Aukus is different to any alliance arrangement. Aukus 2 is missiles. Has nothing to do with submarines
Pillar 2 has nothing to do with nuclear. It’s only conveniental. It’s conveniental missile production. Actually a very cost effective war for an island nation such as NZ to spend finite defence budget. If the houthis can…so could NZ….
lol. Jacks shows he’s out of his depth in this interview. His normal rant of puffed up “but but but - so so so” was replaced with moments of dumbstruck silence as he grappled with her control over such a pop squeak.
This Kiwi interviewer and his leading questions is very annoying. Was he educated in Australia? ABC interviewers for the sake of triggering emotive responses would ask annoying questions. As for 501, most Australian Police Officers from personal experiences are actually expatriate New Zealanders who have become Australian Police Officers who are part of the Kiwi deportation dragnet within Australia. Its the expatriate Kiwis who are arresting Kiwis in Australia. You think Australia is doing the 501 it isnt Australians its Kiwi Coppers who have become Australian Cops, including Maori, Samoan, Tongan Aussie Cops. Youre your own worse enemy.
Penny is a great Foriegn MInister, but our people continue to fraught the criminal , system, and it is not surprising an Australian government has persisted to follow a policy born by a previous Liberal/National governments, who stopped boat refugees from entering their country. Jack was so right questioning those who were only two when they first arrived in Australia, but I am afraid the public in Australia support that policy. Coal again Jack was right in questioning this, but she rolled over.
She does when she has been elected to parliament by the people and appointed as our Foreign Minister....if Australians dont want her speaking for them then vote her out thats the idea of a democracy. Unfortunately when people make their choices at the ballot box we have to go with the majority decision whether we like them or not...
Jack is right to bring up forced removal, Australia, 's policy of removing people is against UN policies, although i think Penny Wong is one of the better Australian Foreign Ministers their Aukus arrangement with US is costing them $378Billion+ just for 12 Nuclear subs plus $5B to help US shipyards to build them, plus $2b to build Australian shipyards, NZ would need nearly $1.5B just to build safe mooring facilities, we cannot afford that amount for an island country 29×times smaller than Australia, , our best policies are neutrality but always prepared to assist in Humanitarian issues around the world, as we always have, STAY AWAY FROM AUKUS !!
Sorry mate in Australia we elect a federal government to run our immigration policies not some unelected Woke body in New York. We dont need NZ to be part of Aukus and they werent asked to join pillar 1 anyhow so it has nothing to do with the transfer of nuclear powered submarine technology or NZ needing to build anything to accomodate them. NZ was asked along with other key allies like Japan, Canada South Korea if they would be interested in joining pillar 2 of Aukus which is the sharing of technology in things like Cyber. If the answer is sorry not interested then no big deal thats NZs call its not really an issue that the rest of the AUKUS grouping needs to worry about.
Pillar 2 is missiles. Pillar 1 is nuclear submarines. Missiles might be a cost effective way to defend NZ. Especially if the ships of the navy keep sinking.
Trump aint gonna put too much time in AUKUS. Hes worried about his own country. Another point, isnt it weird that 2 submarine/navy ships randomly sunk. And "human error" was the excuse 🤔
NZ get your head out of yr ... 501s are not targeting NZ. It's a regional approach... take a look at Australia's geographical location. The same approach applies to all of Australia's neighbours. If AUS singles NZ out and does something different, then that would look "racist". This deportation approach is also done globally... it's not Australian only incl NZ to Pacific Islands. Finally, 2/3 of QLD coal (the largest exporting state) is for carbon sourcing to produce steel. Yes iron plus carbon makes steel ... do some homework 😂
The trauma of splitting up families causes them to commit crimes? Where do you find these "experts". They were sent home and split up BECAUSE they are criminals. These people are not victims, no matter how over represented certain groups are amongst them
The victims are the Kiwis and the country that didn't raise these wolves, has never been a place wolves could grow, and has no way to deal with wolves.
What a waste of an opportunity. Jack, AUKUS Pillar 2 is not a defense treaty. It is about collaborating on technology and supply chains how many guests have to tell you the same thing? Why not ask her more about what China is doing that is causing concern? She made a good point, you either sit back and watch or you get involved. You could of asked her why Australia is getting involved that would of been interesting to know. China is our largest trading partner as it is for Australia, but China is not more important to us that the USA and Australia, not just trade but also where we get our technology from, direct foreign investment, the entire relationship. Jack, you seem to focus on one aspect because you are trying to prove a point that you have already made. As for the 501s, while I do not like them being sent back it is up to Australia. If you are a criminal everyone knows what the price is.
This is 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡.......... 🤔but maybe i need 2 stop being on the ground! Withe the people and a 7:00am-6:00pm wrker now im sorry 2 my old boys i use 2 wrk with i wont say who but im not in as good a position as the overtime boys but 🏗uck this sh🚦t i may want 2 do some different qualifications !
So they're taking our police officers and sending us their criminals.😂
Makes Australia a safer country 🎉
Dont send us your airforce, you havent got one
If they are Kiwis they have every right
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@@sweetascuzz we don't want criminals
If the New Zealanders living in Australia didn’t break the law we wouldn’t be having this conversation.Simple as that.
But the point is they are only New Zealanders in legal terms. Born and raised in Australia it should be on them to deal with what they have created.
@@user-kiwikind If foreign nationals in Australia dont take out citizenship then deportation is the risk they run when they commit a crime. If parents on a PR take out citizenship then any baby born to them in Australia is considered to be an Australian citizen by birth. If they dont take out citizenship then that child automatically goes onto the same visa as its parents. Once a child reaches 10 and has lived here all that time they automatically qualify for citizenship only need to apply for it. Just out of curiosity if Australia got involved in a war and conscription was introduced would these legal New Zealanders play the "that dosent apply to me card" - pretty sure that they would and probably be the first in line for a flight across the ditch. If those kiwis that have lived in this country for many years (some of them for most of their lives) cant fully commit by taking out citizenship then why should Australia be obliged to treat them differently from any other foreign national that breaks the law ?
That is a cynical reductive argument and you know it
@@user-kiwikind How about we rip up the open borders arrangement so we can filter out potential criminals from NZ who want to move here? This open border agreement benefits New Zealanders far more than it benefits Australians.
NZ has the option of becoming part of Australia but they have decided an against it. A very dumb decision.
Thanks Jack. Yourself and Maddison are great at yr graft🤝🏼👏
Penny couldn't hide her contempt for Jack . You can see it in her eyes .
That’s because her shitty policies are a disgrace
He looks about 25 years old, she played him off a break. Especially when he was trying to make her comment on NZ domestic politics and its decisions around AUKUS, no foreign minister is going to make remarks about that, someone older than 25 wouldnt have wasted valuable time asking that
@@barryballsit4944 Jack has a very high opinion of himself .
@@stewatparkpark2933 he seems quite proficient, but he is up against the Wonga Tron, she was first a minister in 2007. I didnt see him get very far, she is a tough customer but he did ok on the deportation I suppose
He made a fool of himself.
Our country is far less safer thanks to Australia’s policies. As well it is less smart as the bulk of our young hard working talent with ambition go to Australia where theyre not wasted and paid less. The ones set to inherit wealth with a decent job stay, or the long term beneficiaries. My Maori mum has ten siblings, the top two are multi millionaires as baby boomers they purchased cheap property in the 80s, 90s seeing what was going to happen. The middle lot work factories in Aussie and that made them comfortable multiple home owners and holiday takers. The bottom three a life on welfare in NZ. No wonder why we’re 66th on the world GDP PPP , in 1979 we were 6th.
If we keep falling it becomes a spiral that becomes harder to return from.
Good on you Jack🙏🙏🙏
Her China War drum beat couldn't be any louder
But it's actually happening in Australia. A boatload of Chinese traffickers were caught trying to get into Australia. They're already starting.
Jack, Labour is not the current NZ government, so why all the questions about Labour or what Mr Little thinks? Seems a bit odd-unless you’re just that focused on Labour?
Jack will always be Jack .
I think he's aiming to be in the labour cabinet
Because it was a just announced and could be relevant in the future
Because we're sick of hearing Luxon's corporate talking head bollicks.
cause the current coalition isn't worth wasting her fuckn time!
Jack took it so easy on her. Answer were very political, a lot was talked about but at the same time nothing was said
He definitely pulled his punches huh! I can imagine he has to be careful when interviewing foreign diplomats though. They're here to negotiate with our ministers.. saying somethingc publically with too much substance could impact negotiations.
This Tame guy is thick
He realized quick that he couldn't ask Penny any stupid questions.
Or that she simply want going to answer - her saying that they only deal W the govt of today, passing the buck onto others isn't a sign of intelligence rather it indicates deception. But go off
As a Kiwi, the 501 argument is dumb. If we had thousands of Samoans that had come here at 2 years old and were committing crimes, we wouldn't blink in sending them back, and that policy would have broad support among NZers.
If we want to benefit from the free movement between NZ and Aus (that in itself is a discussion to be had, given it's a massive net drain from our population), then we have to accept that just as easy as we can go over there, we can get 'sent back', regardless of whether you move there when you're 50 or 2 years old
Samoans are Nz citizens so are cook Islanders. If Australia doesn't want our people then home they come.
The 501s who were raised in Australia...only the raw materials for them are from NZ. Those raw materials were taken and formed into criminals by Australia. Australian-made. He asked how it can be responsible to deport people who've lived their lives in Australia, to a country they have no connection to. The answer is: Because it's convenient. It's not sensible or just, but their criminal creations turned out to be a problem so they fob them off onto the place the raw materials came from, much like suing Oz because the frying pan made with Tiwai aluminium developed a hole, and the bauxite came from Darling Range.
It sets a precedence. Are they shipping this war monger back to Asia for crimes against humanity . If that's her agenda.
Australia does not form people into criminals. If someone lives in a country with all of the welfare benefits and opportunities of Australia and still chooses to turn to crime, that's a choice they've made themselves. If someone is living in Australia for a long time and won't formally commit to being an Australian, then they have chosen to put themselves in a position where they can be deported.
@@bluekoala4382 I didn't say "Australia forms people into criminals." I said these criminals are Australian-made. They were certainly not developed in NZ. Deporting people who have grown up in Australia, worked and contributed in Australia, been a part of the fabric of Australian society their whole lives, is just a convenient way to get rid of a person who was formed in Australia and turned out to be a bad egg...the only difference between a 501 and an Australian-born criminal, is the place of birth.
"...won't formally commit to being an Australian". Direct (post four-years) Australian citizenship has only recently been made an option for NZ-born people, whereas a post five-year NZ citizenship has been possible for Australians all along. People living their whole lives in a country not of their birth, may assume they are citizens already. It's probable that the question of citizenship doesn't even enter their minds. How often does the average person question their citizenship as they go about living their day-to-day lives? There are many examples of people being surprised when it's time to retire and claim retirement benefits, only to find they're not citizens. It happens in the US, Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada...everywhere. Australia is deporting people that are _essentially Australian,_ because it's cheaper than putting them in Australian jails, with the excuse that the raw materials for that person came from another country.
It's a cop-out.
It was very very difficult and costly to become an Australian citizen.
@@bluekoala4382 _Every_ country forms criminals. However, the environment and opportunities in each country define what kind of criminal will develop. The bigger, slicker, and more aggressive environment of Australia develops a bigger, slicker, and more aggressive criminal. There simply hasn't been the environment in NZ to develop a criminal on that level. That's why the arrival of 501s on NZ shores has been so devastating to NZ society. They're wolves let loose in a country that's never had wolves, and is not equipped to handle wolves.
How many people going about their business in a country they've lived in all their lives, think about their citizenship? It's not top of mind and, if they do think about it, it is an extremely difficult and lengthy process to become an Australian citizen (whereas 93% of Australians can become NZ citizens within 18 months of applying). Many a person has been caught out come time for retirement when they find out that even though they assumed they were a citizen, they actually weren't.
It's a cop-out to look at a criminal that's lived in your country all their life, worked there, contributed and paid taxes there, and say "Oooh, look. They lived the first eight weeks of their life in New Zealand. Isn't that _convenient!"_ And that's all it is - a convenient cop-out. A way to avoid spending taxpayer dollars on yet another criminal that Australian society formed. A way to show _'real'_ Australians that they're being tough on crime. But when you throw something away, it isn't _gone;_ it's just put somewhere else. Just as it's my responsibility to make sure that that Australian-made aluminium can of Fosters gets recycled responsibly in NZ, it's Australia's responsibility to make sure that every Australian-made criminal gets dealt with in the country in which they were cultivated.
Thanks for this presentation Jack.
Excellent interview Jack. There were no meaningful responses Penny Wong could give to the inhumanity of Australia’s 501 deportation policy, nor to their coal exports. It would have been good to see you go harder on what pillar 2 of Aukus is really about - but you made her squirm. Deservedly so.
Her side eye at the beginning was crazy😂
Penny Wong ... her usual blah Blah Blah fruit salad words
Must be a mate of Seeless?
My favorite part was her opening statement "im very happy to be here" followed by a hard sideways glance😅😅
The Prime Minister has ruled out NZ joining AUKUS PILLAR 2
Penny Wong the name of Australian politics Nice 👍
How many people going about their business in a country they've lived in all their lives, think about their citizenship? It's not top of mind and, if they do think about it, it is an extremely difficult and lengthy process to become an Australian citizen (whereas 93% of Australians can become NZ citizens within 18 months of applying). Many a person has been caught out come time for retirement when they find out that even though they assumed they were a citizen, they actually weren't.
Jack tame wouldn’t dare ask the coal burning nations of China or India or the larger coal exporting nation Indonesia any questions relating to carbon dioxide emissions. China sanctioned Australian coal for 2 years and increased its consumption. If Australia doesn’t sell it, China still gets it and burns it.
f Jack does my head in.
That’s a sensible Labour Party we missed in NZ
@@steward_leung Nope she’s sold us out.
"We know the Pacific region is contested" - hard to accept NZ believes that, or else it would have a proper air force and navy. NZ has bludged off Australia and the US for decades. It has an air force with no combat planes and just two combat navy vessels, which are over 25 years old. NZ should have minimum 24 combat aircraft and 4 modern frigates. It used to have a proper air force and navy, before the hippies took over
Lil bro we have less than a million males that are of fighting age in the entire country and an economy that's 14% of Australia tf do you expect lmao
Lol if you want join the military move to Aussie young man as NZ 's Navy scuttled manawani without ever firing a shot across the bows of a Chinese fishing vessel.😭
Bludged? Wrong. Nothing's free, and everything leased and paid.
Bigger defence means higher taxes! No thanks!
Are your neighbors enemies yours.
Have you learnt nothing from history.
So what she saying with an aussie acsent she gunna stay in parlement until private company dose a deal with her 2 resign 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Thr 501 policy is a disgrace
NZ should not allow aircraft bringing these criminals back to land in NZ
Why not?
There’s enough gangs in nz for them to join. Gangster’s paradise.
They are not Australian citizens. Australia has a right to protect their citizens from criminals.
@@ilikevines Most of them have lived there since they were kids...they are a product of your country and how you've failed them. Now you want to dump them back onto us yet most of our graduates move to Australia to stimulate YOUR economy.
@@NZ-ms3vcAustralia needs to worry about its own offenders. Drug use in Aussy is off the charts. Mental health is a worry.
Tried her best to say they respect NZ right to decide if they want to join AUKUS, then immediately puts it in a way that we can either participate or observe . Subtle pressure. I noticed Jack never really challenged her on why Australia has gone against the south Pacific's no nukes policy, of which Australia is a signatory.
The policy is about nuclear weapons not nuclear power. Personally as an Aussie I didnt elect a South Pacific government I elected an Australian government and I wish to hell they would stop signing all these Woke agreements with everyone.
@@Davo-i1sthe submarines are not nuclear armed.
@@andrewrosser8909 exactly they will be nuclear powered not nuclear armed. It means they will be able to operate submerged for long periods and will have greater range than conventially powered submarines.
If Australia didn't have an open borders agreement with NZ we would have been able to filter out every future criminal at the visa application stage and it never would have become an issue. Maybe we should just tear the agreement up. The business owners in this country like having more potential laborers they can exploit from NZ but it's just increased house prices and downward pressure on wages for working Australians.
@@ilikevines how would u know a 5 year old is going to be a criminal? That’s how old some of them are when they came to aust
If Australians are stubborn enough about keeping the 501 policy, maybe it would be better to check Visa's instead of spitting up family's, and bringing crime manifested in Australia to Nz. Personally I think the Open borders are good, and Australia should just keep criminals that have lived in Australia for a specific amount of time. Also I just wanted to add that nz does a similar thing to criminals born in some pacific islands, which I don't agree with.
I am OZ, I have 6 Kiwi friends, all are dual citizens, end of story!
It’s much harder for kiwis to become citizens. Australia enjoys exploiting the fact that we prop up social welfare with our taxes but can’t claim because we aren’t citizens
@@macdac9861 so if we exploit you so much stay home.
Hardly.
Nice little puff piece for Australian Labor. No difficult questions by Jack
Any young bucks watching this be ruthess in your path 2 be part of or in position of government and international negotiation about our whenua then u can crack it for our people ☺️😉
Why can't Jack talk civily like this with Chris Luxon. Must have been hyped up on something talking to him
He should be holding our own govt to account no matter who’s in govt
Because luxon doesn't answer questions 😂
Because Luxon can't answer a question lol
Because Luxon is a talking head with little content, it must be very frustrating to interview such a wind bag.
Why did Jack Tame not talk over the top of her and demean her (and do his gotcha moment) like he does with our Government ministers? Scared of her was he?
Maybe she is an experienced statesman that is constantly sharing the world stage with other major players I doubt she is going to be intimidated by some journalist she has probably never heard of in NZ.
He would have trouble trying to get Penny to match the tenor of such a heated conversation. She wouldn't stand for it.
Or he was told specifically not to, journalists are okay question people and our own ministers as they please - if Jack fucks up and pisses off penny wong the govt will not be pleased and likely neither will the people paying his wages - ig there's a threshold sometimes.
Bring back 501s
Comments on ! 🎉
Australia bowing to pressure from the U.S..
I can almost smell all the corruption through this vid. Yucky
How much profit from energy no one getting a cut from the cash cow will stop it.
Interesting that they wait for a National government to raise these issues. Australia is not our big brother or our good friend, they have always looked afyer there own interests first.
Any nations government that doesnt look after their own countries interests first should be questioned by the people that they are supposed to be representing..We have no interest in being regarded as NZs big brother and if you guys dont consider Australia as a good friend then why are you even asking us to treat NZ nationals that break the law any differently from other foreign non citizens ?
Australia are sending people here who got their visa here too but don't nessesarily belong here
TDS is strong with tame
Lol nothing labour say is grounded in fact. Great feeback on Andrew Little.
Jack = Labour
So obvious
So biased
Mate penny wong is in labour as well
nz future is with the peace makers . not hypocrite west
Which peace makers are you referring to?
China invaded xinjiang, South China Sea and xinjiang and displaced pasifika Taiwanese. Are they your peacemakers? Learn history son
If New Zealand wants to be prosperous like Australia, you should end freedom of movement. All your brightest come here as the money is better, we have stronger workers protections etc. Is this something kiwis talks about?
Opportunities are better, yes. Housing has gone through the roof over the last 10 years as it has everywhere. Mandatory Super, but comes with a Means Test, plus 67 minimum age retirement. Add to that, you can’t get pension unless both are 67, in N.Z once one partner is 65 the other can get it. And there’s no Means Testing.
Similar prices for everything else except fuel, but vehicle insurance is way more expensive in Australia.
Must have worked for a minimum of 34 years to get full pension so decisions have to be made by about 33-34 years of age prior to staying and/or going to Australia.
As a dual citizen I was contemplating moving back to Australia but it’s just not worth it anymore as the house prices are far too expensive.
@@TheEnzedone thanks for sharing. I agree, housing has gone the through the roof. What's the prices like there compared to income?
255 comments made, only a bare fraction of those comments being allowed to show. Mine aren't showing, and there were no trigger words, nothing offensive. What's Q+A with Jack Tame, and TH-cam's latest logarithmic criteria for obscuring comments, I wonder?
Jack Tame is an embarrassment to New Zealand.
You are!
New Zealand don't join AUKUS
To late bro politics will suck people in
Not everyone@@Goodvibes-nz
@@pouwakaruwhiu8349 Yes dont do it NZ. Our biggest mistake joining it. We are so used
Good Idea, New Zealand has nothing to contribute and should be left to defend itself in future conflict.
@@tracymichaelsen493 true not everyone
Wow!! Did you hear what she said? .. The pacific is being re-shaped, strategic and economic trade is synchronous, China will no longer be largest trade partner, and that the great power has “made its intentions clear”. Taiwan 2027 people !!
Here a solution to 501s- if you have lived in Australia for more than 10 years or the majority of your life - Get Aussie citizenship to avoid deportation. Too many kiwis in OZ are too comfortable being Kiwi and dont realize you can be a dual citizen for both countries and have the easiest access to aussie citizenship of all nationalities
Rubbish it is harder for kiwis to become citizens than it is for any other immigrants. Australia doesn’t want us to become citizens because it makes it easier to exploit us. Much like the illegal immigrants in the US we prop up the social welfare with our taxes but can’t claim because we aren’t citizens
quite right,you are either loyal to your homeland,or to the nation that adopted you
@@Skybar23 The issue is NZ being lumped with criminals that aren’t of their societies making. The fact you missed the point by so much is testament to your jingoistic ignorant attitude
@@macdac9861 my point clearly went over your head. Firstly If you immigrate to a country and call it your home- your have an OBLIGATION to take up citizenship of that country and not being half arsed about it just because you are granted a special type of visa. There are so many people on student, working , holiday visas stuggling in Australia financially that would die for these SCVs. Secondly you obey the laws and stay out of trouble in whatever country youb eside in . If you cant obey the laws then you deserve to be whatever situation you got yourself into. Again, it comes down to individual responsibilty- the Australian govt isnt forcing you to commit a crime or take up citizenship. Its on YOU regardless where you come from
@ are you being intentionally thick? The complaint isn’t on behalf of the criminals (although your attitude towards that is ignorantly awful as well) the complaint is on behalf of NZ. They grew up in Australia they paid Australian taxes they are Australia’s problem. NZ can’t make them get Australian citizenship, the criminals class are never going to bother with that. NZ don’t want Australian made criminals is the issue not the actions of the criminals themselves
It really is very simple, get OZ citizenship, no deportation...onya Penny Wong...
Or how about just not committing crime, full-stop! Honestly, some Kiwis are sooo thick.
what a wrong move....talking to the worse foreign minister in the world
Both appear to have contempt for each others beliefs in facial expressions
Nz would be better off being neutral like Switzerland
Switzerland is surrounded by nato. Nz is not. Did the people of Tibet or Xinjiang like being colonised? Or the Māori? England was a lot further away from NZ than hostile powers are from NZ now.
Switzerland is armed to the teeth. Can NZ afford to do that?
Does NZ want to increase defence budget, or share the costs with like minded nations?
Aukus is different to any alliance arrangement.
Aukus 2 is missiles. Has nothing to do with submarines
Get lost, is that enough.
New Zealand is a Nuclear free country don't join 😂😂😂😂
Pillar 2 has nothing to do with nuclear. It’s only conveniental. It’s conveniental missile production. Actually a very cost effective war for an island nation such as NZ to spend finite defence budget. If the houthis can…so could NZ….
I'm genuinely interested in what this says, but I can't read any of it.@@andrewrosser8909
Yep don’t be brought out by America like our sinken government
The submarine is on its way
Atlas
lol. Jacks shows he’s out of his depth in this interview.
His normal rant of puffed up “but but but - so so so” was replaced with moments of dumbstruck silence as he grappled with her control over such a pop squeak.
got all shifty and chokey on 501s
Worth contemporary nz journalist.
And I thought Australia,was Woke!
Anyone using the term woke as a vague insult to anything they don’t agree with doesn’t do any thinking at all
@@macdac9861 about as generalised as your reply
@ much like your use of the word woke, that makes no sense
@@alexlanning712 Jack tame is as woke as they come
This Kiwi interviewer and his leading questions is very annoying. Was he educated in Australia? ABC interviewers for the sake of triggering emotive responses would ask annoying questions. As for 501, most Australian Police Officers from personal experiences are actually expatriate New Zealanders who have become Australian Police Officers who are part of the Kiwi deportation dragnet within Australia. Its the expatriate Kiwis who are arresting Kiwis in Australia. You think Australia is doing the 501 it isnt Australians its Kiwi Coppers who have become Australian Cops, including Maori, Samoan, Tongan Aussie Cops. Youre your own worse enemy.
Most Australian Police Officers are expat New Zealanders - seriouslydo you believe that ?
Penny is a great Foriegn MInister, but our people continue to fraught the criminal , system, and it is not surprising an Australian government has persisted to follow a policy born by a previous Liberal/National governments, who stopped boat refugees from entering their country. Jack was so right questioning those who were only two when they first arrived in Australia, but I am afraid the public in Australia support that policy. Coal again Jack was right in questioning this, but she rolled over.
She Chinese herself and she hostile towards China 😂
Oz ignor 501 issuw..nz crime vry 👋
Penny Wong DOES NOT I REPEAT NOT SPEAK FOR THE AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE
She does when she has been elected to parliament by the people and appointed as our Foreign Minister....if Australians dont want her speaking for them then vote her out thats the idea of a democracy. Unfortunately when people make their choices at the ballot box we have to go with the majority decision whether we like them or not...
Jack is right to bring up forced removal, Australia, 's policy of removing people is against UN policies, although i think Penny Wong is one of the better Australian Foreign Ministers their Aukus arrangement with US is costing them $378Billion+ just for 12 Nuclear subs plus $5B to help US shipyards to build them, plus $2b to build Australian shipyards, NZ would need nearly $1.5B just to build safe mooring facilities, we cannot afford that amount for an island country 29×times smaller than Australia, , our best policies are neutrality but always prepared to assist in Humanitarian issues around the world, as we always have, STAY AWAY FROM AUKUS !!
Sorry mate in Australia we elect a federal government to run our immigration policies not some unelected Woke body in New York. We dont need NZ to be part of Aukus and they werent asked to join pillar 1 anyhow so it has nothing to do with the transfer of nuclear powered submarine technology or NZ needing to build anything to accomodate them. NZ was asked along with other key allies like Japan, Canada South Korea if they would be interested in joining pillar 2 of Aukus which is the sharing of technology in things like Cyber. If the answer is sorry not interested then no big deal thats NZs call its not really an issue that the rest of the AUKUS grouping needs to worry about.
Pillar 2 is missiles. Pillar 1 is nuclear submarines.
Missiles might be a cost effective way to defend NZ.
Especially if the ships of the navy keep sinking.
Penny Wongs DOES NOT speak for most Australians at all. The sooner she is gone along with Anti Sematic Albanese the better
Next years Australian election this is guys will loose
She crushed Jack Lame on every question
Except 501's. They can boot it.
Trump aint gonna put too much time in AUKUS. Hes worried about his own country. Another point, isnt it weird that 2 submarine/navy ships randomly sunk. And "human error" was the excuse 🤔
Never trust politicians 😂
Especially ping pong wong 🏓
PENNY WONG ARE YOU REALLY WORKING FOR AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺 OR CHINA 🇨🇳 ???
NZ get your head out of yr ... 501s are not targeting NZ. It's a regional approach... take a look at Australia's geographical location. The same approach applies to all of Australia's neighbours. If AUS singles NZ out and does something different, then that would look "racist". This deportation approach is also done globally... it's not Australian only incl NZ to Pacific Islands. Finally, 2/3 of QLD coal (the largest exporting state) is for carbon sourcing to produce steel. Yes iron plus carbon makes steel ... do some homework 😂
Jack got slapped down again😂😂😂
He gave Luxton a KO earlier this week 😂😂😂
Utterly pathetic FM. Maybe the worst in Australian history or future.
She’s good I like her.
You like Trump too?
Joke documentary, nothing achieved, Jack Tame, very clever !
Yes please but no thanks you can have it for your self thank you 😂😂😂😂
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The trauma of splitting up families causes them to commit crimes? Where do you find these "experts". They were sent home and split up BECAUSE they are criminals. These people are not victims, no matter how over represented certain groups are amongst them
The victims are the Kiwis and the country that didn't raise these wolves, has never been a place wolves could grow, and has no way to deal with wolves.
What a waste of an opportunity. Jack, AUKUS Pillar 2 is not a defense treaty. It is about collaborating on technology and supply chains how many guests have to tell you the same thing? Why not ask her more about what China is doing that is causing concern? She made a good point, you either sit back and watch or you get involved. You could of asked her why Australia is getting involved that would of been interesting to know. China is our largest trading partner as it is for Australia, but China is not more important to us that the USA and Australia, not just trade but also where we get our technology from, direct foreign investment, the entire relationship. Jack, you seem to focus on one aspect because you are trying to prove a point that you have already made. As for the 501s, while I do not like them being sent back it is up to Australia. If you are a criminal everyone knows what the price is.
Last 2 foreign ministers who are Chinese sound more Pom than anything
Brics
Free the 501s
Moneybsyd🇧🇷🇦🇺
Fprget Aukus join BRICS. DEVELOPMENT AND PEACE FOR NZ!
Clown. BRICS includes R and C. Both of which are totalitarian dictatorships. The only peace available through them is called surrender.
This is 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡.......... 🤔but maybe i need 2 stop being on the ground! Withe the people and a 7:00am-6:00pm wrker now im sorry 2 my old boys i use 2 wrk with i wont say who but im not in as good a position as the overtime boys but 🏗uck this sh🚦t i may want 2 do some different qualifications !
Sum ting Wong Penny