Is The MCU Really Becoming WOKE?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- I hear the term "woke" all the time, especially in reference to Marvel Studios. So I'm going to honestly look at Phase 4 and come to the conclusion......Is the MCU WOKE? Or do people weaponize that term far too often for the wrong reasons? Let's find out! #MCU #Woke #MarvelWoke #DrStrange #MultiiverseOfMadness #MCUWoke #DisneyWoke #MoonKnight #AmericaChavez
I am Asian and I don’t care what is the racial make up of a cast in a movie . I want a good movie.
So then an a force movie shouldn't bother you
@@Thed538dhsk a force movie?
@@spiderjump "A-Force" is an all female superhero team
@@Thed538dhsk yeah as long as the movie makes sense
@@armandoservinfranco9393 how would it normally make sense?
Diversity is not the problem, bad writing is
The biggest issue I have with Kenobi too
@@JoeChillton
What's wrong with Kenobi right now?
@@dylansharp8471 it's stupid?
I'm a woman, and I get angry when writers try to dumb down men to make women look better... it's disgusting and making it seem like women are so useless that we need men to dumb themselves down so we can look better... that's embarrassing. Theyr'e embarrassing themselves with their terrible projects.
There are some cases where that happens but it hasn't really happened in phase 4. The Wasp is not better or smarter than Ant man. Kate is not better or smarter than Clint. She Hulk is not better or smarter than Hulk. And Jane is not better or smarter than Thor. Phase 4 has actually been the first phase where men and women are on a relatively even playing field.
The fast girl in eternals has always been funny to me. Why would Arishem intentionally be like “yeah why not let’s make her deaf”.
Why do they make Sprite a child?
Maybe something went wrong in her creation. Arishem isn't all knowing as seen by how his plan ends up failing.
I’m a conservative but maaaan, I have to tell you, I’m tired of people claiming things are “woke” I hated hearing Shapiro talking about how The Batman was a movie about “defunding the police” like wtf??!!!
A lot of conservatives are becoming the same nagging, wining, snowflakes that they claim to hate.
Thanks for sharing the same thoughts despite us being on the opposite side.
@@Eternalsfan at least this didn’t break into a Twitter war
@VOLD GAMER wasn’t that Avengers game like broken at launch? Cause that’s what I’ve head around the time the game was released
@C Owen the villain is also female and African American, which lead to a whole “race” war on social media which is unacceptable. I like Kenobi for the most part (mostly because all episodes are not out yet at the time of the comment) so I don’t get why they are calling Obi Wan Kenobi “woke” cause I can’t find anything woke about it, I think because people are smoking their death sticks again.
@VOLD GAMER They effectively canceled Eternals. It wasn’t about the avengers.
The fact that people get so hung up on less white men leading the shows is kind of sad. It’s also sad how much scrutiny is put into anyone who’s not a white male. Like we can’t just have different characters of different races and genders without people spending so much time scrutinizing why they’re there and if they should be there. And is it “forced”? Like c’mon, either you like it or you don’t. Nothing is being forced onto you. And as far as America Chavez, look at the scrutiny placed upon her. Like she’s only there because she’s a gay character and they want to make money adding her in? Even though they’ve actually lost money adding her in because now certain countries have blocked releasing MoM because it has gay characters in it. America Chavez is a perfect fit for a multiversal movie because of her powers. Anyway, as a minority myself, it just gets annoying how many videos are made constantly questioning why someone who isn’t a straight while man is put into a movie or show. You don’t like it? Watch something else 🤷♂️
It's really annoying and stupid for the focus to be on that. Like her reasoning for her placement there in the show is obvious but guys like this choose not to get it. I can't *WAIT* to see what they say when coven of chaos comes around. 😒
Seems Marvel .DC and Disney are all "Woke" awakened yet still asleep with there eyes wide open 😃
Marvel and Disney yes. Not sure about DC though. Haven’t seen anything really about them being Woke or going Woke.
@@larry2281 some of their comics have been recently.
@@larry2281 where have you been? The Batman, black Adam, flash, Shazam2, and don’t forget about the games and comics! Y’all need to stay woke lmfao😂
@@himathegreat2987 haven’t noticed
@@simplymakayla3327 you off the goop?
I'm an Asian, and I felt like: if that's white men's story, don't mess with white men's story man.
Exactly, make your own 💩 don't change our 💩.
That's fine but other people do care about representation and do want to see themselves on screen. White people do too. I think Marvel should have stories for everyone and depict a world with a lot of variety.
I agree. I’ve always wanted to see more black characters in marvel but the fact that they feel the need to constantly take a white character and turn them black I find disrespectful asf. Cuz like you said it’s laziness and just shows they think black characters can’t stand on their own. They think their doing us service but their really doing us a disservice. An example is DC, they want to make a black Superman Movie but yet someone like Static shock who is beloved as much as Spider-Man in the black community hasn’t even gotten his own movie yet.
YES! It's not that I don't want diverse characters. I just want them to have their own identity and character.
As a black-latino, I second this
there are plenty of legitimate black or multiracial characters that should get their own stuff.
funny know body cries about Blade. I like continuity over appropriation
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@@Dylasophical The whole point of the multiverse is to have multiple versions of the same character.
I don't see how legacy characters are disrespectful. They've been a part of comics for a long time. They aren't just clones of the original. Sam is a very different person than Steve. Jennifer is a very different person than Bruce. Mantles being passed down isn't lazy. It's interesting. Mantle characters allow these new characters to have an interesting and unique spin on old power sets. Sam using wings and a jetpack instead of serum is interesting. Jennifer being smaller and more agile than Hulk makes her different.
Partly "woke" and partly exaggerated as "woke."
People whining about everything being a matter of "woke" have become just as annoying as "woke" people seeing everything as a matter for racial and sexual change. The first 14 MCU movies featured all white leads. Along came Black Panther and many fans defensively rolled their eyes at its Oscar win. Then the next 7 movies got back to white leads. Then came Shang-Chi and Eternals and the fans began whining about how "woke" is being shoved in their faces.
Dummy that movie bombed 😂😂
i hate eternals because the characters have the same personalatie as a wood brick, and because the movie was boring enough to make me sleep during it, i realy like black panther i just don't think it's one of marvels best, shang-chi is just meh, kinda average(a little bit better than iron man 2)
who asked, no one
@@Slendermangaming666Honestly, I think the Eternals sum up everything in phases 4 and maybe 5 by focusing on political identity, feminism, diversity, and social justice.
@@magnaknight9252 I thought the film was about fighting deviant monsters. I missed the part where eternals was combating racism and political identity.
@@automaticcaptions It’s on the Internet or on TH-cam.
Im Mexican… i don’t mind diversity as long as the story makes sense.
Adding characters with different backgrounds, ethnic groups just for diversity, not focusing on the actual story and what is even worse, ignoring and disrespecting previous characters and story lines. This is why so many people are complaining.
I don’t have anything against anybody, I want to watch a movie, serie, show etc and enjoy it, not focus on PC or Disney’s agenda.
It’s a real thing, please look it up
I never considered these movies Woke! But people like using that for the sake of it!
The Mcu is absolutely woke, all of a sudden Loki is bisexual, what the heck marvel
dude have you ever ready anything about Norse mythology. Loki has done some pretty crazy stuff
Obviously you don't look up facts just bullshit..
In the cómics loki is queer….. even in Norse Mythology he’s actually fucking everybody so you’re in fact wrong.
No I haven’t but I just triggered
@@Crabmeat5001 Well nobody cares that your feelings are hurt because of some gay shi...
*Women in movie?*
*Bro bro woke*
Straw man moment
@@billbakyl this
@@billbakyl can you people just let women be in movies with out getting bad
@@someguyinazoo people do it just that some our super forced
I love you guys try to make it sound like we're just bitching about woman. Even though nobody had any problems with the female characters before now. I mean ffs have you guys even seen the MCU recently? Basically the entirety of the Avengers has been replaced with females. Not even original characters either, just Female hulk, female Thor, female Hawkeye, female iron man. Lazy uninspired stories for the sake of the cashing in on "social justice". It's like Disney is actively going out of there way to kill off and embarrass our long time heroes, and just replacing them with a carbon copy female version.
I geniuely don't know how you guys can see this and go "idk what you're talking about." It has nothing to do with more woman, and everything to do original replacements. It also doesn't help when it's pathetically written, and basically everytime its "guy gets nerfed and turns into a bumbling idiot while the powerful Mary Sue who weighs 80lbs is slamming dudes left and right."
nah man..Marvel definitely is getting woke... is not about white men exclusively, is about forcing characters that no one gives a damn just for diversity sake... is about the way they treat classic heroes in order to push a feminist agenda..for example using Loki to present a female Loki.. using Thor as an idiot to present a better female Thor that we dont have any damn idea how she got better...is super clear on every single marvel series and new movies..i mean, it comes to if you care about it or not.. Im mexican and i love everything Batman for example, never in my life have i been asking for a Mexican Batman in order to be represented lol .. is about peoples insecurities and stuff
Its not the MCUs fault they are actually established characters in Marvel comics canon and lore they aren't creating whole new and pulling characters out of nowhere just purely for diversity? You should blame Stan Lee for that hes one of the most wokest man in the comic book industry and i respect him for that cause he really dont care what people like you think lol
@@glocktop916 🤣 boo hoo
@Damarion Koger What does that gotta do with anything? Its literally Marvel lol
@Damarion Koger Your slow you cant be this dumb my guy its MARVEL Cinematic Universe wdym by no one asked for them 🤣
i cant tell if your being sarcastic or not
I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how a robot created by cosmic gods is deaf…I’ve been waiting for almost a year now
Maybe because of the sonic booms she creates when she runs. So they don't hurt her or cause her to lose focus while running
@@lordvika2526 quick silver was fast and could hear.
@@senister14 yeah but he wasn't as fast as Makari.
Also the Eternals were created to be as close to human as possible, kinda why at the end Sprite was able to stab the other female. While Quicksilver was enhanced by the mind stone so his whole body was enhanced.
@@lordvika2526 no but he could have been faster, you see how far wanda came. Close to human but a bad design.
Whole body enhanced to beyond human comparison.
@@lordvika2526 nahh bruh, it’s thousands of speeders, and all of them can hear regardless of how fast they going. Barry can go so fast he can can time travel. I’d say that’s pretty fast . Soo nah , she deaf cause they wanted to be inclusive , which is fine . But logically makes no fucking sense , especially if she was designed to be prefect 😂😂
- it's good to see yourself in media. Also, there will always be media for "non minorities"
-It's annoying when executives make bad "woke" characters and think that'll carry them
-It's annoying when anti sjw's pick apart every character that isn't a white dude to see if they're "woke"
I remember when the news of the new iron fist being Asian, I showed it to a Japanese friend of mine, who's a big Marvel fan, and *he was NOT amused* he liked Danny Rand and accused Marvel of throwing him under the bus for the sake of corporate pandering.
Sounds like a textbook case of internalised racism.
I like how when people say Danny Rand the only Iron fist... when there’s been multiple Iron fist... we learn that on his first appearance comic...
I don’t care gay or not white or not as long as the movie tells a good story and builds up good characters I’m game but some of phase 4 hasn’t been that so 🤷🏽♂️
@LAW well nothin stopping them 🤷🏽♂️ as long as the new characters have character and aren’t created for the purpose of being a certain race then it’s cool 💀
@LAW The "Fans" whine about new characters.
@Fenrir Nah, I'm just not a snowflake offended by anything new
By phase 7 all avengers will be womans
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@@sbslm1 even the tv’s?!
@@Bolt_Zon specifically LG tvs
They will all classify as microwaves too
Phase 4 still has more male led movies than female led movies so you could still make a strong argument that the MCU has a M He U agenda.
Look I'm black and I have to say this woke stuff is driving the marvel universe downhill. It's about good content not pushing social justice b.s. down our throats. My gay and female associates agree. I'm just waiting to see what they're going to do with Miles Morales's character and after that, I'm done with Marvel.
Nick fury’s original character was white, yet they changed him to a black guy. The difference is…Samuel L Jackson is THE man. He played that role so damn good. There were no identity politics behind him, he was just a badass well written character.
Yeah he didn't replace another Nick Fury or anything. He just came in and was awesome.
They made the decision to have a black Nick Fury. Of course that's motivated by the push for diversity. They wanted to give more actors opportunities. I think it's a good thing but this is definitely identity politics at play.
@@datguy3581 but it didn’t feel or come off that way. The same way it feels like a woke diversity message when they changed the little mermaid or Robin Hood.
@@MooMoo69556 Maybe they were less public about it. But it's the same thing. Personally for me, I don't really have any sort of problem with these reboots. Little mermaid really isn't a culturally significant movie to any one country or people. There are some characters who are written to be a certain race (eg. Steve Rodgers, T'challa) but some character don't really have to be.
Im Latino and i don't give a rat's ass about diversity...i just want great stories, great characters, insane VFX
yes. And I hate it. I miss when Marvel can make a really good movie that didn’t have to have all of these terrible messages shoved up our asses
Yes, back when marvel was about the military industrial complex and government oversight. Completely apolitical messageless films.
I, a black man, literally didn't realize Marvel was "flooded" by white men. Why? Because I know the source material.
They aren’t creating new super heroes and adding new backgrounds just for money they are following the comics and not trends. America Chavez was always a lesbians, Jane Foster took the Thor mantel and Falcon took the Captain America mantel in the comics before hand. The comics have been adding diversity since the 60s and it hasn’t even been about race or gender for Characters like falcon or Jane Foster
The problem is specifically with Jane and Falcon is there skipping all of their own stories just to get to them being replacements for more popular characters. I hate it when characters get replaced for no reason just to fit a diversity quota (and I'm a black guy). I liked Falcon as Falcon instead of him just replacing Captain America when he isn't a super-soldier. They only work when a character isn't replacing but become apprentices or sidekicks or close friends, and then later on, when the character's story is at an end can then take over the mantel. She-Hulk, Moon Knight, and Daredevil are great because they have their own stories and characters outside of them being minorities.
@@mikeclarke5732
Also Kamala Khan.
She is a muslim.
And?
That was it.
What are her powers?
Stretching and semi shape shifting.
That sounds like Mr. Fantastic, Plastic Man, Monkey D. Luffy, and Elongated Man.
@@mikeclarke5732 but in the comics falcon took the role of Captain America after Captain America died and when Chris Evans contract came up, Marvel Studios decided to follow the comics story. It had nothing to do with diversity and if you watch falcon and the winter soldier his race had nothing to do with falcon’s role but only the story of patriot, which was similar to that of the comics. Some people are only mad cause he’s black and his blackness has nothing to do with the story
@@sussyangel7492 she’s apart of the Marvels , if she were christian nobody would say anything about people being “woke” but the fact that she’s Muslim people make it a deal it’s just a fictional character it’s bot that deep
@@allanknowz1607 The problem is they just skipped over Falcons own stories as Falcon. He had a lot of good stories they could take from, but we get his introduction in winter soldier, then him as an avenger then him running from the law and then him as captain America.
I hate shows forcing things in, overthinking, “making everyone happy” when it just does the opposite
I kinda wish Sam stayed Falcon. He was already his own hero, not a second version of a hero, just his own original hero. Captain America should’ve died with Steve.
Nah in the comics he becomes captain America and another dude become Falcone
As a person of color I have NEVER asked for a mexican or black hero to appear on the big screen because I never thought to care about that. Good storytelling boils down to how we can relate to the actions, lessons, and characters that were told throughout the story. Has nothing to do with the character's race, gender, or ideology. If your story can relate to a VERY BROAD audience, then you have told a great story. That's why Spider-Man is considered one of the best. Without the suit or powers, he is just your average citizen Peter Parker who has problems that most people can relate to.
Great comment!
Correct, I'm not white or black.but, do they really need to keep changing stuff.
We can make new heros. Not destroy the continuity of a comic.
We have plenty of diverse races and female heroes especially xmen.
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@@damiannightwalker8461 Plenty of...Name 20 black characters in the MCU? because I could do 20 white characters.
1. Captain America
2. Bruce Banner
3. Tony Stark
4. Peter Parker
5. Thor
6. Hawkeye
7. Captain Marvel
8. The Scarlett Witch
9. Doctor Strange
10. Loki
11. Black Widow
12. The Winter soldier
13. Star-Lord
14. QuickSilver
15. Wasp
16. Antman
17. Odin
18. Matt Murdock
19. Ancient One
20. Lady Sif
Perfectly said. You must be a republican, democrats don’t have common sense like this.
@@briggsconnell7846 it is kinda irrelevant since you have to think back to when they were created ...and why should there need to be the same amount of black characters .when the black population is not is what 15 percent of the US population.
(it's unrealistic, there should be more of other minorities represented since they can be looked at as what the population is, but there you have other issues, like making people who do not fit where they did not exist before like black elves and dwarves in Tolkien. how many white Africans are there? or in Wakanda?
make new characters don't ruin them with swaps. killing them off.
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Marvel has always been woke, from cap punching Nazis to x men being an alogory for civil rights movement.
Sure they had plenty of bad steps where they didn't treat things right but they have leaned on woke since the 60s at least.
Punching someone universally hated is not woke. And the Xmen were not created as a civil rights allegory. It just kinda fizzled into that. If you watch the interview Stan Lee did on the xmen and the concept of mutants, he said how he simply didn't know how to give this team powers so he just said they were born that way. Also, it never made for bad stories or character plotholes for the sake of a message.
@@ibannash the X men Was created to represent every minority existent. If they are created today, the anti woke people would hate it
@@ibannash When you complain about the "message" more than the "story" then the story really never mattered in the first place. People who say message are really insecure.
@@timbirdie8180 Messages don't need to come before good stories. When you must spend time preaching to the audience, your story becomes cringe and takes a back seat, when in reality, your story should be at the forefront. It's part of the reason CW shows suck. Stan Lee also talked about this as well.
Ima a black man and I never saw color as an issue in any of Marvel's movies before phase 3. What matters to me is character. Now we have a whole movie of diversified colors made up of completely stale generic stoic face characters.
Stoic? Almost no mcu characters are stoic and all are stale mcu classic quipp machines.
@@Thed538dhsk literally no idea what you’re talking about.
u r a black man thus u have no right of any opinion
I’m Asian and when Avengers 1 came out I never saw or care that any of the heroes are White. But today, you’ll definitely notice it. Because of constant reminder of everyone (especially media) on how a person’s skin color is important. I never cared for anyone’s color or if a person I’m watching looks like me. I think it’s why the story from earlier MCU is better. Because they are focus on the story itself, and not constantly preaching about diversity and how important it is. These companies needs to realize people watch their movies for good stories not propaganda.
So I guess let’s just have white people be the ‘default’ or ‘normal’ option forever then? 🥴
Cause that’s not a slightly fucked mentality at all 🤡
When Young Avengers finally come out in the MCU I know y'all are gonna simultaneously combust from anger
Not if it is written well.
@@Dylasophical exactly
@@Dylasophical You'll find an excuse to whine, just like all the other anti-SJW woke scolds on TH-cam. I guarantee it. You've already decided how you're going to feel about any Marvel show/movie that doesn't have a straight white male. All you're going to do now is make excuses for your opinion, good or bad.
Prove me wrong. I dare you.
@@jakec9522 I've already proven you wrong, buddy. I have 188 videos on my channel. ONE of them is about this topic. Please don't group me in with those people. That's not my identity like some people.
DC for sure has gone woke.. 😔
If Marvel goes woke.. Only option we have is to stop watching movies..
Dc has gone woke? When lol
Marvel has been going woke since Endgame lol. Marvel has been on a downward trend since Infinity War. You could argue Black Panther was the start of it.
@@larry2281 I don't have problem with Black or female leads.. But with feminism and homosexuality..
@@kannadiga3644 where has that been?
@@larry2281 everywhere in DC comics
@@kannadiga3644 so, homosexuality is "woke" for u. Then u must have forgotten about America Chavez in MoM and Phastos in Eternals in MCU. Also, not to mention other gay characters in Marvel comics.
My stance on this is IF A CHARACTER WAS WHITE let them STAY white if a character was black let them SYAY BLACK if a character was a man KEEP THEM MAN make the WOMAN CHARACTERS a MOVIE AND DONT MILK THE WOMAN POWER STUFF IN IT LET THE MOVIE BE INTRESTING.
Eh, changing a character works in some cases like in The Boys
Passing mantles isn't the same as race or gender swapping
why are they trying to divide the community, we watch marvel because we can all agree on superheroes kicking ass. why there has to be a political agenda, lets focus on what brought us together.
Tell that to Marvel Bruh.
If giving people who aren't straight white men opportunities to be leads in movies divides us, then you're the problem not the movies
@@datguy3581 just want a good story with some good acting and some action. the rest doesnt matter. straight, bi, gay whatever u wanna call urselves i dont care.
I say it’s complicated.
And it really depends on who’s writing it and stuff.
I completely agree.
The movies that are woke when progressive agenda trumps the story. No one is calling spiderman into the spiderverse woke because the story and characters were great.
I dont know about woke, but MsheU for sure
Well, I hate to break it to you, but episode 3 of She-Hulk came out today, and it officially confirmed in my eyes that there is indeed a war on white men. They literally had a line that said, "I love harassing women in the workplace". I'm not even joking. 😒
can you just laugh no one is being opressed it was funny bro
@@Minzuurin I don't think it was.
WTF even was that?
@@spider-man500 I think that it was wokeness going way too far.
@@Wolffman109 LMAO ur so soft
4:49 Plus, in terms of power levels, the only character who would be of use to Captain Marvel is Wanda.
5:57 Because Sam is already his own established hero in the MCU and there was no narrative buildup for him becoming Captain America. He made the Falcon moniker his own, it had nothing to do with his race, and NOBODY had a problem with it. However, Bucky becoming Cap had been set up ever since Bucky's first appearance in the MCU. I still think Bucky should've taken up the mantle.
These clowns Are literally telling kids They have to “see themselves “ to identify with Comic book characters. That is such a backwards and surface level way of thinking.
Do people forget that all these female characters are canon they haven't just been created for women
He had us in the first half not gonna lie... then went real south
Sorry for trying to be balanced :)
Philosophical Pickle you’re not being balanced babe you’re just mad your movies and shi aren’t going your way.
@@unicornunicorn3249 I'm not mad, lol. And okay, minimize my points to "You're mad." Sure :)
Philosophical Pickle you are mad babe. Do you not hear ya whole tone and vibe and topic ya speaking About :) lmao
Philosophical Pickle you know therapy is suppose to help people. You need a refund bro.
It's not that having a non-white person as the lead is woke- it's that when that person is chosen *specifically and primarily because of their colored skin/diversity* rather than their level of talent/merit- that's woke. Or if a character is picked out of the comic book pile specifically because of their color/diversity.
Also at this point it's clear money isn't even the driving force. For a few solid years now production companies have been losing metric shit tons of revenue due to poor ratings and reception due to forced diversity and virtue signaling. So it is clear there is an *agenda* being pushed here and if you look beyond the silver screen into other areas of society such as politics, sports, education and literally every faucet of our existence- it becomes quite clear.
Is there a war on white men? Really look at the predominant cultural dialogues taking place. What demographic of society is it publicly acceptable and dismissible to scrutinize and downright insult and objectify with virtually no kick back or repercussions?
All of this nonsense aside- who is the core demographic of this form of media and comic books in general? What other form of media or entertainment *doesn't* cater to their core demographic?
I don't know where I stand. All I know is I go to watch a movie.
That's very fair!
I'm a black man (a person of color) and I'm also on the 'Right' and I think you were pretty balanced.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
Thanks guys, I tried to be. I don't have any political affiliations and I try to see things from all sides.
Speaking from the perspective of a black gay man, having a character like Phastos (the tech Eternal) means so much to me because I NEVER thought I'd ever see a black gay superhero be a thing in the MCU. Does it make scene that he's a black gay man. No. But would it make anymore sense if all the Eternals where all white straight and males. My point being, regardless of whatever Marvel's true motive for doing so was, everybody wins by taking the opportunity to make multiple groups of people who's never had a superhero represent them, finally get a a chance to be seen.
And this has been even more the case with the release of Ms Marvel, I've seen so many of my Muslim/Pakistani friends express so much happiness by getting a superhero that represents their background and lived experience in a relatable and positive way.
While I can agree it is a bit annoying to have some of the diversity characters come in the form of just replacements for their white male counterparts, I don't see why women, ethnic minorities and LGBT characters have to justify being who they are in these movies. Having these types of characters of characters doesn't always have to mean Marvel being actively woke.
Don't get me wrong, their are times activley times when I can see Marvel trying to be what is considered "woke" now a days, but only in the case of Captain Marvel and that girls get it done moment in Endgame, has it ever not made sense or felt forced.
how much you wanna bet the new Black Panther movie is gonna have a woman, likely the ex-girlfriend, to be the new Black Panther?
Not the ex-girlfriend, the sister. And what did you want to happen? She was a black panther in the comics, and her and Tchalla were the only ones.
@@HelloThere_42 well i never read the comics, so i didn't know. and really? the sister? and how is she gonna be the Black Panther when all the plants are burned?
@@ZackExplorer28 idk, but who else would it be
Short answer: yes
“Being diverse is what they have to do to be successful “ And how has that worked out??😂🤣💩
In my opinion, it’s 50/50. At times I notice they are being woke, but at times it’s justified. I just don’t like how they write their female characters physically stronger than their male predecessors in this phase, I knew this would happen after they did this with Captain Marvel. Abbie Emmons did a fantastic job breaking down why fans approved Natasha Romanoff and rejected Carol Danvers based on character. I wish they make their strong female characters more like Natasha because it’s something to root for and good to look up to instead of just saying or showing that they’re physically strong and that’s what makes them strong female characters. Nia DaCostas talks about what drives Carol does give me hope that maybe Carol will get the writing she needs.
all i hear is sexism reading this.
@@amethystcrystal5799 what?
Dude it bothered me too until I listened to you. It's already fantasy. Meaning not real..So a women hero in a fantasy world could be stronger than a male hero..Quit crying it's not real...
@@amethystcrystal5799 weirdo
I don't care. I have never had an issue with identifying with characters as long as they have the same sets of motivations that I do, else they are "someone else". I am not sitting there watching these movies or tv-series thinking "this character is from nation X and have skin color X" and see that as a plot point. I had way easier time identifying with Shang-Shi than with Ironman. And of course I felt the most with Sersi in Eternals. I really don't get the whole "oh, I should identify with this person because it's a "white male" thing. I do not identify as "white" or "male", they are not important traits to me. And if these changes do bring in new fans, that's great.
I'm not white. I know racism and this stories do not make me feel represented or vindicated or whatever. They make me feel attacked for being an heterosexual man. Plus they're boring. One positive thing out of all this woke bs is that I realized how stupid the whole superhero genre is.
it's not so much as "To many white men" it's if the writers are trying to take precedent and lower pre established characters with women. Hawkeye tv show, daughter takes most of the stage. Wanda vision tv show, out of nowhere stated to be one of the most powerful characters in the MCU surpassing Doctor Strange. Captain Marvel, literally shows up out of nowhere after in universe decades of no activity on Earth while aliens invade with cities falling out of the sky and is the most powerful person in world. Loki tv show, girl version of himself said to save the timeline. Replacing one of Cinemas now greatest icons Iron Man with his daughter or some random black girl kid with enough knowledge on par with adult Tony to make a possible new suit (And if they disgrace his character by bringing him back as a hologram like in the comics I'll be done with the MCU post Endgame). Not Sure yet on plot since not released but She Hulk, from trailer instantly gaining control of her green rage mode where it took Bruce years in a Gamma lab alone to do.
A person once told me, you need to make "Strong" female characters. Not strong "Female" characters. There needs to be a limit on progression because most companies just think to make them super powerful or skilled right off the bat to make people love them. Wasn't the case for classic animated Mulan who had to struggle but sure was for Live Action with "Kung Fu Chi" magic.
Hawkeye has been in the MCU since 2011. 10 years of Clint Barton seems like enough lime light. The reason they brought in Kate Bishop is because some of Barton's best stories are about him being a teacher. That's what makes the character great. Wanda has that level of power in the comics too. It's not new. She was depowered for Age of Ultron. I don't see much difference between introducing a character like Captain Marvel and a character like Vision. They both have the power of an infinity stone. I don't see anything wrong with it. I disagree with the idea that female Loki is in any way better than male Loki. The difference is that male Loki is questioning his "glorious purpose" while female Loki has a clear motive: revenge. Female Loki is actually the one to ruin the timeline at the end. I don't think she saved it.
Iron Man gave armor to Rhodes, Pepper, and in the future his daughter. That makes complete sense fo this character.
There are tons of new male characters as well on top of the already experienced MCU veterans like Thor, Hulk, Ant-man, and Bucky.
Sir Woke is not anything that doesn't have a white make in it. Woke is anything that is pushing a social agenda at the cost of good material. I'm black and have been a long time fan of Marvel.
Lately they've been pushing nothing more than agendas. Radical Feminist, gay, & tokenization of my people. All of phase 4 is garbage.. The writing is terrible and the only thing these movies have in common is beautiful landscapes and color pallettes. The stories are lackluster and they push subliminal messaging in everything. It's called the MSheU because every single male character lead is playing sidekick in their very own movie. Loki, Hawkeye, Thor, Doctor Strange, Moonknight, etc as you mentioned.
You named lead and colead characters then called them side kicks. Messages have been in the mcu since the first iron man with its anti military industrial complex message.
Ladies and gentlemen, sexism at its' finest. Why do black sexists always start their tirades with "I'm black", as if that gives your misogynist ass a pass. Or maybe you're just saying "I'm part of a marginalised group, so it's okay for me to attack another." You're the one who's tokenizing your people.
We women are running the same race you are. Stop trying to trip us up!
@@siobhannoble8545 It's funny because you called me a black Sexists because you dissagreed with what I said because your tiny brain can't understand what I'm speaking on. You only understood the "I'm black part" You can't make this 💩 up fam. 🤦🏿♂️
Woke, in 2022, means pandering with the explicit agenda of lecturing you. (Example, referring to Valkyrie as King when there's nothing wrong with the word Queen.) Open misandry is an extension of it. (For example, Sif repeatedly kicking Loki in the jewels is misandry because under no circumstances could you depict the opposite without being canceled.)
I don't see how referring to Valkyrie as King is lecturing? Shouldn't she be allowed to use the title she wants? It's not an issue in the movie. You yourself are choosing to make it one. In fact, there are plenty of places all over the world that have had female kings. Poland has had women kings before.
There is no misandry in the MCU. Sif was kicking Loki because he consistently betrayed and hurt her and Asgard. She was more than justified. Kicking someone in the balls isn't misandry. Y'all are just sensitive.
@@datguy3581 Oh, this, THIS is going to be educational….
“I don't see how referring to Valkyrie as King is lecturing?”
King, noun
1. the male ruler of an independent state, especially one who inherits the position by right of birth.
"King Henry VIII"
Words have meaning. Without this, society breaks down. It’s really simple.
“Shouldn't she be allowed to use the title she wants?”
No. See above. You cannot, for example, go around calling yourself the President of the United States. There will be consequences.
“It's not an issue in the movie.”
Of course not. Hence, the problem at hand.
“You yourself are choosing to make it one.”
I haven’t chosen to make it a problem, just like I haven’t chosen to make pollution a problem. It simply is a problem and I’ve identified it.
“In fact, there are plenty of places all over the world that have had female kings. Poland has had women kings before.”
Historical anecdotes do not help your argument, as the plural of anecdote is not data. The one female king you’re referring to, Jadwiga, was made king as a result of a number of issues. She was not simply crowned King, specifically, for arbitrary reasons. The biggest root of the issue was that a ruler of Poland had to be a King, which is a man. And since Asgard is not ruled by a bunch of istaphobes, there would be no reason to call Valkyrie a King (for political reasons), as Queen is the proper term for her.
“There is no misandry in the MCU.”
This is utter nonsense. When you make a blatantly false claim like this, you do yourself no favor, as the misandry is clear as day.
“Sif was kicking Loki because he consistently betrayed and hurt her and Asgard. She was more than justified. Kicking someone in the balls isn't misandry. Y'all are just sensitive.”
Is that right? So, you think that if the roles were reversed where Loki was repeatedly kicking Sif in the breasts, that would go over well with the female audience? Please, say yes for the public. Please.
Every time a man calls attention to misandry, someone starts with the ad-hominems, usually a female. That, is by definition, misandry.
Marvel isn’t becoming Woke it’s always been woke look at the comics before Marvel movies were popularised I’m looking at she hulk Jane foster captain marvel all characters that have the same traits as their movie counterparts. The Right only started calling marvel woke because marvel put those characters on the big screen
Making a deaf android in The Eternals made zero sense to me, why would they handicap an immortal being like that without a reason for it. Did she get broken whilst making her or something, they never talk about why she was deaf.
Probably to have a more interesting story. It gives her a quirk so she stands out more and gives her a bit more personality. It is possible for Eternals to damage themselves and even die as we see in the movie. Additionally, if she was always like that, it might just have been an accident in her construction or maybe Arishem thought that it'd be a good idea to have a deaf Eternal because he wanted to have a variety of Eternals which can blend in and fit within most societies and social settings and can relate to many different types of peoples.
@@datguy3581 She's a robot. why would the celestials make her deaf!! I'm all for diverse cast, nothing against the actress but this casting choice given the context of the character makes no sense.
@@rob4eva Arishem wanted the Eternals to pass for human and to be able to blend in with all different types of cultures and peoples. Giving them certain quirks like being deaf may help that goal.
That's all assuming that her being deaf was intentional. It's possible that something went wrong in her construction and that caused her to be deaf.
@@rob4eva her powers are super speed she literally travels faster than sound your ear drums would burst at that speed
they massively nerfed male characters just to pay more attention to the female ones. It's ok to support equality- just don't ruin the franchise while doing so.
They want Equity- not Equality. Equality is no WNBA or female sports leagues at all because they would either be good enough to play with men or they aren't. Equity is forced outcomes.
@@johnwinchester6934 couldn't have said it better myself
@@bigsili Did you forgot to change to your alt? because you just commented on the Comment. These are the people everybody.
@@ackkenan2346 someone commented then deleted it.
@@bigsili this is just sad
Just imagine dick Grayson aka nightwing the first boy wonder was just introduced as a character and in like a week takes the Batman mantle. He didn’t earn the Batman mantle in A GODDAMN WEEK! He earned it through years and most importantly it MADE SENSE!
Yeah, since Endgame it's pretty evident with a lot of their projects, will see what the future films look like though
Woke used to mean *Conscious* to what's going on around. As in Awake and no Longer asleep, think of the Matrix. Now woke is some Liberal nonsense.
Woke has lost all meaning at this point. It can mean anything you want it to mean and the people who read it won't know what you're talking about. It's become a thought terminating cliché.
TASKMASTER WAS THE WORST EXAMPLE OF THIS IT DIDNT ADD ANYTHING.
To be honest, I am getting to the point where I am losing interest in the MCU altogether because I think, to your point, that there is more focus on diversity than story quality. I don't need a transgender Punisher or a gay Ghost Rider. It's f#@%ing stupid and detracts from the story. I also don't have a problem with a movie that has predominantly white, Black or Asian characters. Shang Chi made sense to have predominantly Asian characters and I thought it was a solid flick. I was not upset that there were not more white people in Black Panther. You nailed it with the Eternals... WTF! That movie is an absolutely perfect example of this point and it sucked. Funny thing was that I saw it coming as soon as I saw the trailer. I thought phase 1 and 2 had fewer movies, but the quality, IMO, was better. Who knows what will happen, but I get the sense that Marvel is watering down the MCU and people just want to see good movies.
How does the "diversity over storytelling" narrative even work? It's absolutely ridiculous. Who is casted does not affect the quality of the storytelling. Acting like having people who cast actors who are not white men working on these films means that they're bad writers is ridiculous. There is no connection between the quality drops and the demographic of the actors. I think a transgender punisher or gay ghost rider could be cool. And them being that way in no way affects the quality of the movies. Being transgender or gay doesn't have to be relevant to the story. It can be a secondary thing just like most straight relationships are in comic book movies. Or it could be more prominent. A lot of marvel movies include aspects of characters identities which influence them. It's not a bad thing. Tony's role as a rich businessmen affects his character and enhances the movies. The same can be done with a character's gender.
Eternals made perfect sense to be diverse since an all powerful entity was sending robot saviors to the Earth to blend in with the population. It makes perfect sense that they'd look different and be of different races, genders, and sexualities. They are meant to enter human societies. Marvel may be worse overall quality wise but that is due to the high amount of marvel projects not due to the diversity in their casts. You can say what you will about phase 4 but the female characters in phase 4 are the best female characters in the MCU. Phase 1 just had Black Widow who was pretty one dimensional and used for fan service. And Peggy of course who was a secondary character in one movie.
I know the first thing I do when a movie starts is ask is this woke or is this MAGA and if a poc is involved it’s obviously woke because why else wouldn’t it be a white person. Oh Wait I don’t do that because I’m not obsessed with politics.
based, we need more normal people on the internet
Yeah me either. I just see the never ending conversation about it, so I addressed it lol
You have a video titled Obama celebration....? That would be politics my dude. Plus everything is literally political now. Sports, movies, workplaces, amusement parks. Massive companies are using twitter and commenting on local state legislation. Choosing to wear a mask at a grocery store is political. Like it or not every aspect of life is now political.
Dude no one cares if minorities exist in movie's no one cares about your skin color
I really don't care about representation
@@rommelbengali I think what they're saying is, they care more about good stories rather than woke politics, but I'm not that person, so I don't know for certain.
@@Wolffman109 But you're based.
@@rommelbengali I don't know what "based" means.
Marvel is not woke but California is and that’s where marvel movies are made. So unfortunately the MCU is woke
“Marvel is not woke but marvel’s woke”
@@bakasta5992 MCU and Marvel is a different entity. But both of them is woke as hell
I fail to see why that's a problem
All the marvel movies before Endgame were actually good movies because they focused on the story. Everything to come afterwards has focused on diversity and representation and trashing the previous white male superheros. I'm so glad I'm more of a DC fan. Atleast they focus on making good superhero movies without agendas.
Spiderman isn't affected by that crap
@@excelegbunike7232 he was never affected in comics too. The ones that were affected were thor , Bruce banner, tony stark. They were removed from the scene and replaced by some kids and marvel forced us to believe that these replacements were better than original
…DC focuses on making good movies? I think they missed the part where the movies were good
@@himathegreat2987 exactly even miles isn't just a black spiderman for representation hes actuay a good character
@@HelloThere_42 Seen Joker, Wonder woman,The Batman, Shazam?
Sam deals with racism in a world where racism doesn’t exist? Uhhh…Black Panther anyone?? Seriously you mentioned that the early movies were told from a white perspective. As a white person I can admit that yeah, I don’t have to deal with racism on a daily basis. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It just means it was something that Tony, Cap, Thor, Bruce or Clint didn’t have to contend with. As the perspective of non white characters come to the forefront, issues of racism will come to forefront as well. Black Panther shows that world parallels the MCU culturally for the most part.
saying something is from a "white perspective" is just bigoted mindset. u divide the world and cause tribalism by promoting such things
@@iconocast The world IS divided. I don’t want it to be. But it is. We’re not going to reach a post racial society by simply denying racism exists. (Charlottesville, George Floyd, Tucker Carlson etc.)
@@maxgremln you are right it is divided but viewing the world thru that lens just exasperates it. we will never achieve a "post racial "society these things are simply hard coded into our system at a fundamental level. u can over come it tho by seeing the individual and not defining ppl by putting them into general categories as white or black. that is just creating "teams" to fight against each other. look at the individual not the group.
Wait, where was racism in Black Panther?
@@spritvio639 Your kidding me right? Please tell me your kidding.
I am Asian and I actually prefer female characters in both games and movies. However the gender or ethnicity does not make or break the entertainment, it’s all about the WRITING and the performance of the actor or actress and maintaining CONTINUITY and RESPECT for the lore. Often times it feels like diversity and inclusion is forced down our throats at the cost of those very things. Then the fans are blamed for being racist as a way to draw attention to the topic of diversity and inclusion instead of criticism for bad writing and continuity. Then it becomes a whole thing of hey let’s fight back against racism and hire women and colored people, that should be enough to make our shows good! Screw the writing and everything else.
I want to see a Queen Qong movie but Hollywood never considers making one after so many iterations of King Kong, I wonder why....
You summed it up perfectly
You forgot the black gay eternal, made by a celestial 😂😂😂....wtf...makes no sense.
No, they just actually started writing Female characters instead of having them in the background 💀 it’s crazy that it took 10 years just to get a Black widow Movie. 5 years to focus on Wanda💀 adding diversity isn’t ruining Marvel, it opens up opportunities for more fans to have hero’s to look up to. The whole point of a comic. There is nothing “woke” or forced about phase 4. It’s actually better and more inclusive to tell hero stories from perspective that aren’t just Tony Stark, Captain America or Thor😆 after each trilogy do we really want to see the same thing repeated every phase
Do you know why it took so long for a Black Widow movie or any of the things we have finally started to see??? His name is Ike Perlmutter. He shot down MANY of the things that Feige wanted to do. That guy literally said he didn't think a woman could lead a movie.
Yup and we don't have to keep explaining this to these people. I watched this whole video and smiled because it don't matter. It's happening period.
One thing I hate about the super hero genre is instead of creating new super heros the writers just nerf the og hero and buff up the new dude with the same super power, maybe this is why I don't exactly love miles because Peter ain't special no more plus he's stronger than him
Lmfao all of this diversity is so forced to the point that it’s all being forced down our throats and it’s hella uncomfortable! And we’re all feeling this as the fans and it’s annoying!
& On your last point you made on not making the diversity their identity I couldn’t agree more on that.
Facts
This is faxxxxx
Maybe it's meant to make guys like you feel that way
Then the more you point tthis out the more you get a bunch of the hardcores that will love anything with [brand name] slapped on it. But also the types that will call all criticism legit or otherwise as some kinda toxic fans or racists or any other ism.
It seems like involving a female in a lead role in these films is being woke now. The movies are only following the progression of the comics which did most of these arcs long before the political landscape turned into the circus it is nowadays. Barring that cringe female power walk scene in Endgame that made no narrative sense, I'd say Captain Marvel has been the only MCU film that has come off as blatantly "woke" to me. I'm just one guy though.
All the films of phase 4 are woke.
@@senister14 Alrighty👍
The comics they are now deciding to adapt from are literally when things started going down hill. All New All Different is no more than 10 years old and is directly tied into what we are dealing with now. I feel like people consider "woke" to be a recent term but it's been around for decades. It used to mean something different before becoming synonymous with social justice.
Either way it doesn't bother me too much personally. There's been a flop here and there but for the most part MCU films usually range from "pretty damn good" to "extraordinarily great" in my opinion. Of course I'm biased because I've been a fan of Marvel Comics since I came out of my mother and a shared universe/continuity within the films just like in the comics is everything I've ever wanted out of superhero cinema. Just being honest.
The “people” who use the term woke as a pejorative are incapable of distinguishing nuance lmao
MCU TO M-She-U transformation ---
(Main 6)
Ironman - iron heart
Cap - peggy
Thor- Jane
Hawkeye - Kate Bishop
Hulk- she hulk
Loki- Sylvie
New soup -->. Wanda, female moon knight, ms Marvel, she hulk, america chavech, iron heart, suri, Photon
jane died lmao
@@sevoquii is that spoiler?
Hawkeye - Kate Bishop
@@sevoquii she will come back to life
Are we forgetting Sam, Rhodey, Bucky, Scott, Thor, Hulk, Clint, Peter, Strange, and Wong are still around? Let's also not forget that Moon Knight's wife is consistently sidelined in favor of Moon Knight. Hulk isn't going anywhere. Neither is Rhodey. It's okay to have a lot of female characters. There are already a lot of male characters. A lot of the Eternals are men. Blade will have Blade and Black Knight who are men. Nova is coming who is a man. The Fantastic Four are male dominated. We still got more male led movies than female led movies.
Marvel is becoming uninteresting
Definitely
You’re not wrong actually I mean the only marvel movies that really lived up to the hype were Shang-Chi and Spider-Man No Way Home, but now it’s just starting to lose me I honestly don’t know why
i agree
It's ran its course it seems
Dr. Strange 2 made over $900 million.
Spider-Man: No Way Home made almost $2 billion.
That's a LOT of money for something uninteresting.
One way or another they sure don’t give a damn about telling deep meaningful stories with respectful ties to the comic. Woke?, nah but seeing the incompetent awkwafina save the day instead of the main character Shang chi. That’s something stupid I can’t explain
Whether or not a work of fiction is "woke" , specifically depends on if the author/writer/filmaker has the specific intention of promoting diversity OVER storytelling and the integrity of the work on its own merit.
This oftentimes means they will take a classic franchise and race, gender and sexuality swap major characters to "improve" the work, because the original work wasnt diverse enough.
That on its own is annoying enough, but the biggest problem with "woke" programming is that woke storytellers are absolutely SHIT at writing fiction. They dont know how to do it. They ruin old franchises and anything new they try to fabricate is almost invariably creatively bankrupt.
And thus we have come to dread all the wokeness in Hollywood. Honestly us anti-woke people who first noticed these trends a decade or so ago, really just want good stories. Thats it. But the presence of wokeness tells us that its NOT going to be good. So...we call it out.
Its pretty much that simple.
The idea of diversity and storytelling being contradictory is fundamentally stupid in my opinion. Casting a non white actor will not hurt the quality of storytelling. Exploring a non white culture will not hurt the quality of storytelling.
Nope just racists complaing about BIPOC people and woman on screen. Cuz its not avout storyetelling that just the excuse used to hate on it. You admitted it, you just like to shit on geunily good movies as bad to excuse your bigotry. Somehow a white charcater being black ruins the story fuck off. Where was this when scarjo played ghost in the shell and Gods of Egypt existed.
Woke or not that sht doesnt really matter to me. Im still gonna watch any of these nonetheless and what people think of them doesnt affect how im gonna enjoy watching them because its the writing that matter more.
To me MCU just don't feel the same without the top dogs Captain America and Iron Man
AGREED!!!!
This comment section proves how cancerous the fandom has been, yet we have DC Fanboys excited over The Flash and that’s with Ezra Miller.
Racists complain about the MCU becoming " woke" as if it hasnt been woke since Stan Lee started writing these characters
@TheFilmElitist
Pretty sure they adapt comics from several eras.
Me, a gay latino who generally doesn’t care about what a character is now a white nationalist...
@@MarkFaraday Idk why youre outing yourself as a white nationalist when I never called anyone one, but you do you
@@TheDubleHelix because I’m racist apparently.
@@MarkFaraday Damn, stop being racist then.
I take exception to She Hulk. Not a woke alteration. She's been around in the comics for ages and she's hilarious.
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As a latino I agree that there's not enough representation but in the end they're children films so it's not the end of the world
Hahahaha yeah it's just movies at the end of the day.
This is by far the best video I have seen on this topic. On social media it always seems like there is an extreme on both sides Without trying to see the others perspective. I’m south Asian myself and I personally thought Kingo from the eternals was terrible representation for us and I don’t have high hopes for Ms Marvel but I will still watch since there are actors from South Asia I follow who will be in this series so I’m excited for that. Also another thing I have noticed is that there are certain creatives who claim to be centrist/apolitical would say woke is just a word that means nothing and yet when something like the eternals releases they flip flop and then imply it’s woke. But I thought this was a balanced take on this subject Great job on this video.
Thank you! I tried to be balanced.
yes. Marvel is woke like everything else.
How so?
As a minority I despise where the mcu is going.
Also sexism wasn't exactly the reason. marvel didn't have the rights to their most iconic women. What was sexist people have been begging since iron man 2 for a black widow movie didn't get onr until after end game, which was underwhelming.
Black Widow is not an optimal character for an own movie, as she is in the super hero realm yet has no powers
@@PowerRedBullTypology hello batman, he stands shoulder to shoulder with titans. It can work if done right.
@@skull2470 they were gonna do a black widow movie, but replaced it with capt marv. After endgame they did it
@@himathegreat2987 an over powered plank of wood. She has too much power zero consequences. she broke the power scale so bad marvel has no idea what to do with her.
Yeah i know i saw That black widow movie it was rather disappointing.
Marvel's top priority is woke content over quality content
Regarding diversity destroying the MCU and Hollywood's woke agenda, it's an agenda that promotes female characters, LGBTQ characters, and POC characters at the expense of original characters and quality content and story (like Eternals)
Agreed
People are more than physical and/or sexual identity but many times their race/ethnicity/gender/sexual orientation affects their overall identity (especially marginalized people), so yes every story doesn’t have to be oh “xyz is black and dealing with racism” but just because their race/ethnicity/gender factors into their identity doesn’t mean their whole personality is that
Sidenote: racism has been apparent in the MCU just not as explicit as in TFAWS, we had a movie about WW2, it was alluded to in Nick Fury’s speech to Cap in Winter Soldier, Black Panther talked about colonization, and the Skrulls were a symbolic representation of those fighting to preserve their home world from invaders but of course they wouldn’t have a bunch of straight white men/“aliens” deal with racism because that’s not an experience they typically deal with
With Legacy characters that have had the mantle passed down in the comics like Cap/Iron-Man/Spidey etc. Idc it's nice knowing that characters deeds inspired a new generation of heroes who wanna be exactly like them. As for Taskmaster randomly being a woman and... actually that's the only one I have a problem with (Because idgaf about Eternals) If the story's aren't preachy and they don't tear down the old heroes to big up the new ones honestly it doesn't matter, Personally I loved Hawkeye & Kate great Dynamic, Chavez was side-lined for the majority of the movie while strange does all the cool stuff (and in the end doesn't even beat Wanda but instead finds a super creative way to "defeat her") with She-Hulk Thor Jane Foster & Ironheart it's definitely a wait and see kind of thing but I do enjoy she hulk as a character so honestly can't see it being bad. The OG characters contracts don't last forever so let their deeds live on in the new blood
I just hated some of the changes in Marvel. Especially, characters who show up out of nowhere to replace their predecessor. For example, if they're going to replace Thor in the MCU, I rather have Beta Ray Bill instead of someone like Jane Foster, who shows up out of nowhere, and not only does she dump him, but she's also going to take his name and his powers. I just don't like the idea of bringing back Jane Foster. Because in Thor 2, her story is over already, the romance is completely dead, the character is a bit annoying, and she brings nothing interesting to the story. What's the point of having her back is because of Kevin Feige's decision, or do some people want her back as Thor's replacement? In She-Hulk, what's the point of bringing her? Does she bring in anything in the MCU other than Kevin Feige wanted more random female heroes showing up out of nowhere and replacing their male counterparts? Ms.Marvel in the Disney+ looks something like the live-action Disney Channel shows like Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place, Jessie, etc. What was Kevin Feige thinking in making this? Honestly, I don't think it's a good idea to bring in Ms. Marvel in the MCU, considering that she was a poorly written character in the comics. So far, Marvel is trying their best to make us like her all the time. She has shown up in cartoons and video games, and now in the MCU, instead of having her powers in the comics, they decided to give her Green Lantern powers, and she has her version of the spider-sense. Hawkeye, I thought the show was all about Hawkeye, but nope it's some random fangirl who is obsessive with her hero of branding, and she gets into trouble so easily. The entire show is about Hawkeye cleaning up her mess and babysitting her because the mafia is trying to kill them because of her. Just because she was in the comics, it doesn't mean they have to put her in the MCU. After all, the writers had some changes in their universe that were different from the comics, if anyone who should be Hawkeye's new partner and successor is his daughter. Not some spoiled privileged fangirl who's getting into trouble so easy and trying to fix her problem that she started in the first place. Ever since I watched Endgame, I saw Hawkeye's training his daughter in archery, I thought she would be his successor, but now it's a wasted opportunity for something to happen. They could have done something like having Hawkeye being a veteran ridden with PTSD and the guilt of losing his best friend, who is like a sister to him. But oh man! Did they batch it with a girl that screamed Mary Sue, a rich girl with an entitlement that tried to be sharp? Who is so obsessive about branding her hero and being so cringed? She's also a walking disaster who gets into trouble so easily and is "trying" to fix the problem that she started in the first place. I'm all for a new-gen Hawkeye, but why wasn't his daughter the one that took the mantle? She would have been perfect as a new Hawkeye trainy, a conflict between the daughter wanting to be like her father and help people and his father being scared of losing her as he did Natasha. The story was writing itself, it would have been amazing, but somehow it turned into this. Finally, we got the worst character of them all, is Iron Heart. Of all the people who have a connection to Tony Stark, they had to go with someone who has the littlest connection to him as his successor. If I were in charge of the company, I would go with someone like his best friend, his wife, his daughter, or his protege, any one of those people would be a better hero and worthy successor than Riri would ever be. Who's nothing more than some petty thief who steals something that was never hers, to begin with, nor has she ever earned it, will also try to seek attention, hog up the spotlight, and act like she is better than everyone, just like a spoiled brat. Honestly, Peter or Morgan should have been Iron Man's true successor instead of someone like Riri.
Indeed, wonderwoman is iconic because she is an original character, she didn’t take up the mantel of Superman as superwoman. She most likely would not have become
iconic if they created superwoman instead of wonderwoman
That's because his cousin becomes superwomen 😆
@@j4ckpsych0_54 lol
These are characters in the comics who serve a decent purpose …. Yes they are written not too well in the comics too but I actually think America is necessary and crucial to the mcu considering we are headed towards secret wars ….. but I guess I see what you are getting at . Just this woke shit is annoying , leave it be it will die out
America was a great new addition to the MCU. Added diversity without taking away from anything else.
I think they’re over compensating sometimes. I think gender or race swapping is annoying when I doesn’t make sense. I think Wandavision, What If, Black Widow, Shang Chi, Eternals, Loki, No Way Home, Moon Knight, and Doctor Strange never over compensated. I think the only one that did was Hawkeye and that was only because of 1 not even important scene where they mention a bombshell bag and a girl being gay, even though it was just cringe and awkward. There was no need for a 30 second clip for a useless side character to have this huge announcement. I don’t know if I’d say the MCU is woke for having different races in the lead roles. Black Panther makes sense for a black role, Sam Wilson Cap is a great character, Black Widow makes sense for the women lead, Sylvie makes sense that she knows more because it’s a huge complex mess that the audience doesn’t even fully know, Shang Chi Makes sense for a lead Asian Role, and Hawkeye is still around but he has a female sidekick who he’s mentoring for when he dies.
Jane Foster is not the new Thor. Kate is not the new Hawkeye. Sam Wilson is still Falcon in my eyes. She Hulk is not the new Hulk. "Anti-woke" people need to stop generalizing everything
@@pax_sxprano so what your saying is, these character replacements aren’t actually character replacement. They are just false labels? Also Sam Wilson is Captain America. He was in the comics and he is in the MCU. I don’t know what “he’s not Captain America in my eyes” even means
@@idontcarebricks8253 I think what he meant was that Sam Wilson is not a carbon copy of Steve Rogers' Captain America. He's basically Falcon with the shield and a red white and blue paint job.
I myself am a black man but I think Black Panther, along with Captain America: Civil War, are the most overrated films in the MCU. Plus, I knew Marvel was about to hit downfall in the material around 2016. The universe build up towards Infinity War and the characters choices they made that would get swept underneath the rug, Tony siding with the government for example. And making characters like Valkyrie be painted as a tragic hero but comes off as an annoying as Rick Sanchez wannabe with the same old bullshit lesbian drama story that made her who she was. And the other problem I had is how they emasculated Scott Lang and constantly kept bringing up his problem by fighting alongside Steve Rogers/Captain America at the airport. But I am a person who likes the source material to be presented with a good storyline that includes a valuable lesson without being preached and shoved down the throat like the MCU Disney+ shows do currently 🙄😑. But the last good MCU project that did numbers and had decent plot line was Spider-Man: No Way Home despite having some plot holes and questionable narratives on how the multiverse plays a role there and beyond. But that’s all I have to say. Take care. ✌🏾💯
to be fair all the woke character like captain marvel, shang chi, America chavez already woke in marvel comic. MCU just make them a live action. marvel even become woke way before woke even a word. captain america was created in 40 to encourage the nation to join ww2, x men was created in 80 during the gay movement. it is part of marvel since the earliest day.
True but a guy weilding an American shield and is am American soldier called captain America and he's kicking nazis asses that doesn't sound cringy woke that sounds badass woke woke used to be a good thing till everyone wanted to be woke.
@@eddieinc so does other hero.
I don't live in America so I never considered this as a problem.
That's very fair.
Thank you and it’s only white men in America that have a personal issue
@@conservativedestroyer4056 It's literally not. But thanks for generalizing:)
@@Dylasophical You just went on a whole rant as a white man on why you have a problem. You even went as far as saying that even though falcon becomes captain America in the comics, you still don’t like it. I’m just sick of white people complaining that everything is woke except when it’s a straight white male in the center.