After fixing my over filling toilet today (scale encrusted rubber seal fixed with a vinegar dip) I realise I was in fact 'tuning' the toilet. I shall not be adding boost. :)
I run an MSD billet distributor fully locked out and advanced to 42 deg BTDC on my SBC. Then an MSD 6AL2 programmable timing box to handle all the delay vs rpm to get your timing curve. You can even hook up a MAP and program some vacuum advance. I haven't done that yet.
@@TML34 been together like this for 10 years. If only I was less responsible or money grew on trees. Full blown EFI would cost more than the built SBC I have!
Best ignition box going. Initially made for pro stock. Can do all the stuff Al mentioned in one simple box. No stacking of boxes. A programmable ignition curve on the fly, just like the Haltec. ability to trigger retards by 12 volt switched power. Very good bit of kit. Don’t listen to the knockers mate. Keep it old school.
Years ago, explaining to my girlfriend how carburettors work, she responded with "like a toilet?" After my initial indignant shock, I had to concede, Yes, like a toilet.
I remember as a kid trying to learn the difference between carby and efi.. dad was telling me how simple it was.. I would say its alright when you grow up with advancing technology you dont need to stuff it all in your head at once.. Now i know more than him lol
the outtakes are great - seems like Al has my problem, with disfluency (the umms and arrs), having too much going on in your head and trying to get it all out in order. looking forward to the rebuild.
Is this TSF's youtube shorts channel?? OH fyi, I purchased two shirts, the turbo bucket hat and a stubby holder and just wanted to say I was surprised with the quality. veddy niiice!
In the shop where I used to work we had one ventilator with positive pressure and another one with negative pressure, and even with that we had "onion eyes," dry tongue and trouble breathing due to methanol vapor building up in the dyno room. Masks had a slight difference but they get saturated quickly. With EFI setups isn't that nasty compared to carburators, because it's nearly sealed, while carbs leak everywhere.
Curious about the coolant pressure sensor, not something i've seen before. What sort of readings would you expect from a sensor like that? Assuming the rad cap regulates pressure normally I assume you're looking for big spikes above rad cap pressure under boost? Technology can do some cool stuff
Where did You find the boost reference to the fuel pressure regulator? I think it has to be taken from between the compressor side of the turbo, to the carburetor hat.(?)
I do not mind the odd carburettor, never owned fuel injection till 2008. Owners of that car are even known these days to pull off the early 90s injection and putting on twin 45mm side drafts. I have kept the injection on mine and have bought a second to try the carby route.
Finished the car and loaded it up to dyno, instead of dumping the car we unloaded it and pulled the motor, cause race car. Reminds me of when I first started working on cars, lowered the car and opened the garage to take if for a test drive. Instead of a test drive I raised it back up and fixed me previous repair again.
Gday fellas, if after all this tuning it is still lean or melting one or two plugs it could be the manifold if it’s ported and polished, I had nothing but dramas on my Procharged 565bbc with blow through C&S carb, a rough cast bottom inside the intake helps even out the fuel distribution as so much fuel comes through it turns into a river flowing unevenly over a polished surface and into favoured ports, you may not have this drama but just something to think about if you can’t get an even plug read. Cheers
Bob Glidden ran Clevelands to the extreme. Without all the electronics. Old school know how is gone. If It don't have a computer to tell me what's wrong I don't know how to fix it. Is the new way.
turbo yoda, is it possible to make a video with an in-depth view of the ignition setup on this engine? i.e cam sensor, crank angle sensor and how its all put together?
I'm starting to see what can be done on a Cleveland. To do port EFI is it needed to use the cam sensor instead of a distributor and a crank sensor? Can you steer me in the right direction? In the states EFI on a Cleveland is a gray area.
You can use a distributor if you want but it needs to have the function internally to give a once per rotation pulse and also usually an 8 per rotation pulse. It’s easier IMO to just uses a crank signal, cam signal and individual coils.
There is is main circuit enrichment underneath the center breather stud it probably needs opened up and the idle bleeds played with Demon carbs are a little different to play with bet its the adjustable main circuit if the jets didn't fix it and it could probably do with having the boosters played with they have a standard annular booster for methanol and they have one with larger ports for boosted applications
Caution needle and seat size. If they are to small the fuel presure gauge will read normal but your bowls are empty as cant keep up. Seen melted plugs and pistons from this.
You won’t flow enough methanol threw that carby with single needle and seats per float bowl, my E85 blow threw carby has dual needle seats, and all the internal passages in the demon carbs are way to small out of the box
You were very nice about the 60s technology on this old V8. Only use carbs on my old 2 stroke bike and my chainsaw. At least now you’ll have some insight into what’s going on. Dizzys and carbs belong in a bin. You spend a day in the dyno and the blowby alone will make you half cut…. 😂
Side question. Over the previous years ive had 3 different performance vehicles were individually tuned at different shops Each car had the worst cold starts. Almost have to wait in the driveway like a cold carby motor to warm it up.multiple motor roations before they would start more so in winters and flat spots etc until warm. Is there a reason why 3 different tuners struggled to do a drivable cold start. Was it the haltecs that couldn't do it well on or incapable tuners or is it a general near impossible task to do.
Probably an incapable tuner, or one that didn't have much time to sort it. A tuner I used kept my car over night specifically so he could sort the cold start tune first thing on a cold morning.
Had the same problem with a "big name tuner". I had to pull the turbo air pipes off recently to get at the alternator on my G6ET. put them back on, TIGHTENED the hose clamps... voila Stumble gone... Changed the spark plugs on the weekend... Three out of 6 plugs JUST tight... 4 out of 6 coil on plug retaining bolts loose.... The thing runs so smooth now! A tuner is a thing for a sandwich! 🐟
I'm sure an experienced tuner should be able to set it up fairly well from experience, but if the tuner has never spent the time sorting cold starts they simply won't have the experience. And if they don't have customers willing to leave vehicles for cold start tuning for a week they can't get the experience.
Well I'm not sure if this counts as looking on the plus side but at least the new ECU wouldn't have done anything about the oil vacationing at the back of the pan during takeoff 😉Shame it wasn't a dodgy gauge causing the drop in pressure ☹
@@theskidfactory Engine shutdown definitely could be programmed into teh ECU. Would be quite a neck jerker though to be forcefully launched and then have the power suddenly cut off
I'm going to assume your American and only had the Cleveland for two years well here in Australia we got the Cleveland in about 1968ish and we didn't stop making them till about 1985 we never had the Windsor's till the early 90s there was even a 302 cubic inch Cleveland they where built in the Geelong engine plant so should probably be called a 302 Geelong not a Cleveland so in Australia Windsors a rear as rocking horse shit
My old outboard was a carbied model. If it picked up water from the tank it was about a 2-3 hour job to rectify and cost was a bottle of metho. Now, with my new EFI outboard, a fuel pump and a set of injectors will take about the same time, and cost an extra 3k in parts! So glad I dumped the old carbies.....NOT! lol
Do carburettors need electronics or just a screwdriver and a tightly laced pair of New Balance sneakers?
www.theskidfactory.com
Sneakers al sneakers.... if it requires more than a screwdriver sneakers for the win .
Turbo fuel injection glory purity
I think in Australia it’s Dunlop sk26s that are needed for foot wear
And a hammer.
Na, mate. New Balance and jean shorties are for Corvettes.
All you need is the Hoff with a drill
Love that new skid intro guys, perfection
The 'toasty' made me snort out my coffee, thanks... Nice to see the possibilities of adding the right technology!
I too enjoyed the mortal Kombat video game reference. Is woody old enough to know what it meant though?
@@AJ-oj5eu Haha yeah, I picked up the MK reference too, it was spot on and made me chuckle
After fixing my over filling toilet today (scale encrusted rubber seal fixed with a vinegar dip) I realise I was in fact 'tuning' the toilet. I shall not be adding boost. :)
...maybe not today, maybe not tommorrow, but one fine day, the boost will surely come...
@@wirefortyseven8707 All it takes is a stop at Taco Bell...
I add boost to mine daily🤣👍🇦🇺
11.46 isn't close to enough Skid Factory goodness . Thanks for the vid boys .
With the oil pressure on the gauge during each pull at the drags I would say a teardown is a great idea-along with a baffled sump!
Can't wait to see The Hoff tune this by drilling out the jets like the rotary a while back.
Using the industry standard methods that the hoff is so good at! Fully calibrated drill bits!! Yew!!!!!!
Scotty is the man!!! Looking forward to that video!
My thought exactly!
Back in the day, my mates would drill out jets 2.5 times bigger on their speedway sidecar bikes for methanol.
I can sense the love of a carb on this show.
they wont like coming to my workshop cos its all carbs
As we say here in Brazil, just talking stupid for fun: "A carburetor is like fuel injection but wireless" hehehe
i have never heard that before... brilliant
Carbs are a barely controlled fuel leak!
Toilet reference, brilliant.
@@markdammes1947 more like a livestock water bowl
Absolutely brilliant. 👍
Whoa, plot twist! And yep: new intro is A1+
As always, great explanations and knowledge given. Thanks, guys
Great Walter and Pinkman impression guys. Very interesting and informative content
New intro is on point gents, matches the gold content in the video. 👍
Sick!!!!! Turbo Yoda may not be a fan of the carburetor, but I for one am thoroughly enjoying these episodes
I run an MSD billet distributor fully locked out and advanced to 42 deg BTDC on my SBC. Then an MSD 6AL2 programmable timing box to handle all the delay vs rpm to get your timing curve. You can even hook up a MAP and program some vacuum advance. I haven't done that yet.
You’re insane. Throw all that shit away and modernize it.
@@TML34 been together like this for 10 years. If only I was less responsible or money grew on trees. Full blown EFI would cost more than the built SBC I have!
@@TML34 hahah best reply. All that tech he mentioned would’ve been fapped over in older street machine magazines 😂
Best ignition box going. Initially made for pro stock. Can do all the stuff Al mentioned in one simple box. No stacking of boxes. A programmable ignition curve on the fly, just like the Haltec. ability to trigger retards by 12 volt switched power. Very good bit of kit. Don’t listen to the knockers mate. Keep it old school.
@@madrew2003 fair enough.
Years ago, explaining to my girlfriend how carburettors work, she responded with "like a toilet?" After my initial indignant shock, I had to concede, Yes, like a toilet.
But can rugby league players get photographed having a romantic moment with someone in a carby?
There's a reason they call single point injection systems "Toilet bowl injection"
Grat new intro! Data is king! Looking forward to seeing inside a clevo!
You can tell Al has been watching plenty of Gale Banks with his love of "data"
Nice carby description. A controlled fuel leak :) Engagement! Algorithm!
What a plot twist at the end! "We were heading to the dyno, but first we had to take the engine out." 😲😁🤪
I remember as a kid trying to learn the difference between carby and efi.. dad was telling me how simple it was.. I would say its alright when you grow up with advancing technology you dont need to stuff it all in your head at once.. Now i know more than him lol
Tech will always advance,never retard, unless we have a world wide calamity.
The. " uhmm" cut. For the win
Some great info guys 👍
Nice watching
Tuning with screwdriver? Surely you mean drill bit? 😁
Also very clever with the new intro btw.
Very informative and entertaining as usual boys
The new intro is sick!
Toasty was nice touch but having Dan Forden appear at the side was beautiful 😂
New intro is ACE!!!
Hako shirts are mint. Everyone comments on mine.
If you don’t have one. Get one.
when you guys started that weapon in the shed i had a mad max Vietnam flash back, it sounds identical to the interceptor!
👌for the condensed intro
Great video guys!!
Love the new intro honestly much better
Ahh the editing made me laugh hard!! Thanks woody!!!
the outtakes are great - seems like Al has my problem, with disfluency (the umms and arrs), having too much going on in your head and trying to get it all out in order.
looking forward to the rebuild.
1:23 I love how you guys put in the Mortal Kombat "TOASTY!" reference in there, I was laughing way too much on that.
Is this TSF's youtube shorts channel?? OH fyi, I purchased two shirts, the turbo bucket hat and a stubby holder and just wanted to say I was surprised with the quality. veddy niiice!
Got to admit, despite all their short comings, the Clevos are the best sounding V8. Let the debate begin!
A Cleveland with 4 Weber 2 bbl's is best...
Hahaha not with an unmerged exhaust they don't.
100% correct , they sound great
maserati f136 is the most musical cross-plane i reckon
At full noise they’re an eargasm,, never gets old.
In the shop where I used to work we had one ventilator with positive pressure and another one with negative pressure, and even with that we had "onion eyes," dry tongue and trouble breathing due to methanol vapor building up in the dyno room. Masks had a slight difference but they get saturated quickly. With EFI setups isn't that nasty compared to carburators, because it's nearly sealed, while carbs leak everywhere.
Were suck throughs any better?
The toasty was well appropriate. Made me giggle hard..
Was woody even a twinkle in his daddies eyes when the original MK was at the arcades?
Dam, thats bad luck, john is a very talanted man
Love the new intro!
Used to run blow through and craw through carby setups back in the day but it was also a budget options and efi as absurdly eccy
Very well put, Al.
Awesome, I wanted to check out the clevo build!
Love that intro
Curious about the coolant pressure sensor, not something i've seen before. What sort of readings would you expect from a sensor like that? Assuming the rad cap regulates pressure normally I assume you're looking for big spikes above rad cap pressure under boost? Technology can do some cool stuff
new intro is mint
Like the new intro very dappa
Where did You find the boost reference to the fuel pressure regulator? I think it has to be taken from between the compressor side of the turbo, to the carburetor hat.(?)
I a boat is a hole in the water that you pour money into, a race car is a fire you shovel money into!
I do not mind the odd carburettor, never owned fuel injection till 2008. Owners of that car are even known these days to pull off the early 90s injection and putting on twin 45mm side drafts.
I have kept the injection on mine and have bought a second to try the carby route.
Al still loving that carby 😂
That was great. Top episode. I saw Woody the other day. Must have been getting his hair done down Ballantyne ct.
Would have been nice to see a more detailed installation. Keep it up. Curious to see what it makes on the dyno.
New intro, nice.
Finished the car and loaded it up to dyno, instead of dumping the car we unloaded it and pulled the motor, cause race car. Reminds me of when I first started working on cars, lowered the car and opened the garage to take if for a test drive. Instead of a test drive I raised it back up and fixed me previous repair again.
Gday fellas, if after all this tuning it is still lean or melting one or two plugs it could be the manifold if it’s ported and polished, I had nothing but dramas on my Procharged 565bbc with blow through C&S carb, a rough cast bottom inside the intake helps even out the fuel distribution as so much fuel comes through it turns into a river flowing unevenly over a polished surface and into favoured ports, you may not have this drama but just something to think about if you can’t get an even plug read. Cheers
@Rvve Duio they work well once sorted, easy to start and fairly reliable, on e85 went 8.87@157mph in full weight street driven Nova
Killer out takes!😂
Bob Glidden ran Clevelands to the extreme. Without all the electronics. Old school know how is gone. If It don't have a computer to tell me what's wrong
I don't know how to fix it. Is the new way.
turbo yoda, is it possible to make a video with an in-depth view of the ignition setup on this engine? i.e cam sensor, crank angle sensor and how its all put together?
Cool intro 👍
I'm starting to see what can be done on a Cleveland. To do port EFI is it needed to use the cam sensor instead of a distributor and a crank sensor? Can you steer me in the right direction? In the states EFI on a Cleveland is a gray area.
You can use a distributor if you want but it needs to have the function internally to give a once per rotation pulse and also usually an 8 per rotation pulse. It’s easier IMO to just uses a crank signal, cam signal and individual coils.
Big Chief just did this on his girl's small block nitrous car. Explaining the same thing... The video is up on Midwest Street Custom's TH-cam channel
When the Hoff tuned (chuned?) A carby on Nugget Garage he just drilled out the Jets until they were too big
Reckon there will be a new specifically built carb ordered for this one real soon from someone like CSU in the states
Or maybe ZOK in QLD
There is is main circuit enrichment underneath the center breather stud it probably needs opened up and the idle bleeds played with Demon carbs are a little different to play with bet its the adjustable main circuit if the jets didn't fix it and it could probably do with having the boosters played with they have a standard annular booster for methanol and they have one with larger ports for boosted applications
You might be onto something
Zok for the win. 👍🏻
Caution needle and seat size. If they are to small the fuel presure gauge will read normal but your bowls are empty as cant keep up. Seen melted plugs and pistons from this.
Well, that didn’t end the way I expected 🤷♂️
Make sure there’s a one way valve on the fuel lines.
These outro's are getting Savage.🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Can't wait until we see industry standard stuff and things...
The Ah ah uh Ahh uuuhhh at the end 😂 also, long live the carby’s!
You won’t flow enough methanol threw that carby with single needle and seats per float bowl, my E85 blow threw carby has dual needle seats, and all the internal passages in the demon carbs are way to small out of the box
All what you said is correct. Most methanol carbs run an electronic needle and seat to keep the bowls full.
Need more Ah, Um, compilations.
You were very nice about the 60s technology on this old V8. Only use carbs on my old 2 stroke bike and my chainsaw. At least now you’ll have some insight into what’s going on. Dizzys and carbs belong in a bin. You spend a day in the dyno and the blowby alone will make you half cut…. 😂
like the new intro
Gotta love the effect of methanol on the eyes lol
Side question. Over the previous years ive had 3 different performance vehicles were individually tuned at different shops Each car had the worst cold starts. Almost have to wait in the driveway like a cold carby motor to warm it up.multiple motor roations before they would start more so in winters and flat spots etc until warm. Is there a reason why 3 different tuners struggled to do a drivable cold start. Was it the haltecs that couldn't do it well on or incapable tuners or is it a general near impossible task to do.
Probably an incapable tuner, or one that didn't have much time to sort it. A tuner I used kept my car over night specifically so he could sort the cold start tune first thing on a cold morning.
Yep and for the 1500 bucks they are charging these day..they should be
Had the same problem with a "big name tuner".
I had to pull the turbo air pipes off recently to get at the alternator on my G6ET.
put them back on, TIGHTENED the hose clamps... voila
Stumble gone...
Changed the spark plugs on the weekend...
Three out of 6 plugs JUST tight...
4 out of 6 coil on plug retaining bolts loose....
The thing runs so smooth now!
A tuner is a thing for a sandwich! 🐟
I'm sure an experienced tuner should be able to set it up fairly well from experience, but if the tuner has never spent the time sorting cold starts they simply won't have the experience. And if they don't have customers willing to leave vehicles for cold start tuning for a week they can't get the experience.
Hopefully the Hoff is better with Holleys than Webers. lol. Well do I remember the hand drilling of jets!
Dont talk to me about carbs... VB Comodores auto Choke 😬 and and XD Falcons in the middle of winter at like -2 in the morning 😉
Ok I’ve gotta ask, what’s the thing on your hat Alan ? I’ve seen it in other videos, pardon my ignorance!
Microphone
Here finally after my emergency Appendix Delete operation... 🤣
Yikes! Hope you’re on the recovery mate!
Don't need that anyway. Everyone's running 'electronic digestion injection' nowadays.
First carburetor were modified kerosine lamps....
Indeed. WW1 aircraft carbies had fuel drawing from a wick. More volatile fuel was more valuable for this reason, but knock became the next issue.
Aussies know the deal..... what a monster. Oops then it broke :(
Can't wait. Thanks mr turbo yoda sir. And woodrigos
2:39 - can you sell t-shirts that say this
Came to see how many got the "Toasty" reference. 🥊
a twist!
Well I'm not sure if this counts as looking on the plus side but at least the new ECU wouldn't have done anything about the oil vacationing at the back of the pan during takeoff 😉Shame it wasn't a dodgy gauge causing the drop in pressure ☹
The ecu would have shut the engine down according to the oil pressure requirements programmed into it.
@@theskidfactory Engine shutdown definitely could be programmed into teh ECU.
Would be quite a neck jerker though to be forcefully launched and then have the power suddenly cut off
so how did you fix the carby ?
Put it in the bin.
Witchcraft.
With data obtained from the VMS.
@@theskidfactory so you havent fixed it yet
Wow what an emding
Missed the full nitro 😩
oh rip full tear down over a loose mount.
Some classes still use carbs that class is called the Jurassic class😂🤣😂
A Cleveland turbo, and new parts? Does the owner have a time machine?
I'm going to assume your American and only had the Cleveland for two years well here in Australia we got the Cleveland in about 1968ish and we didn't stop making them till about 1985 we never had the Windsor's till the early 90s there was even a 302 cubic inch Cleveland they where built in the Geelong engine plant so should probably be called a 302 Geelong not a Cleveland so in Australia Windsors a rear as rocking horse shit
@@joelturbobyrnes dunno why you'd assume anything on the Internet :) I'm in australia, and 1985 was a long time ago. Even for an OC like me :)
That was a plot twist
I wonder how hard is to get the new Ford truck engine in Australia...
Not hard just $15k
just sneak some sort of efi throttle body in there, maybe a Holley type that looks like a carb…he won’t notice
wow Alan so much info in such a small time amazing job guys can this hall tech be use on a 4x carbs on a motorbike ??????
Yes it can.
thanks Alan what sort of cost we looking at im in the UK
Carbs are more difficult to tune than you young fellas think,I guess it's easier to let a computer do all the work,lol.
My old outboard was a carbied model. If it picked up water from the tank it was about a 2-3 hour job to rectify and cost was a bottle of metho. Now, with my new EFI outboard, a fuel pump and a set of injectors will take about the same time, and cost an extra 3k in parts! So glad I dumped the old carbies.....NOT! lol